From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:19 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 00:56:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcRe6-0005zG-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:56:02 -0800 Message-ID: <348296E7.193D@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:52:25 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamentity (I like it!) memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mQmaOB.A.AYF.Lrng0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1638 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:56:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a11b71f7e35515d7f6856171ec6fb11 Thanks to the list, I could, after having bought a jamman someone located for me, buy memory as well. And not at the ridiculous price you pay them in france, through Lexicon dealers (it is, believe it, $350 for 4 x 1 meg, that's completely crazy!). For those ineterested, Vision Soft has some for $ 7,95 each... Talk about a minor price difference.... So, thanks to you all! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 09:32:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcZhd-00063w-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:32:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199712011709.JAA11470@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Looper CD direction --> important Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 11:13:49 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"u7Ex-.A.q7E.PLvg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1644 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:32:13 -0800 X-UIDL: dbb2ae7c68b5d6e98237fbb74fb8f33e >This is the important part. We have two options on how we wish to proceed. > First, we can limit distribution to list members and burn CD-Rs as we go >(if someone on the list is kind enough to offer their services) or we can >get 500 to 1,000 CDs manufactured. If we go with 500 CDs the cost will be >approximately $1200 (2 color CD, 4 panel insert). My preference is to shy >away from the "homebrew" CD concept and do something that looks (and >sounds) professional. > >As mentioned earlier, we can sell the CDs from the Looper's Delight web >page. I would like to see some of the profit go to Kim to help defray the >costs involved with keeping this thing up and running. That being said, >are people willing to pay approximately $100 to be involved with the CD? > >I was also thinking about approaching Alchemy Records and DGM for possible >distribution of the project beyond our looping realm. If we decide to go >this route we will need to make sure the quality of the project is >top-notch. > >Any thoughts? If we're going to dive in and do it the slick way, I'm in. I'd pay $100 or so to get on and get some CD's. If it's going to be a CD-R thing, I'm not interested. Travis From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:12:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 10:28:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcaa2-0003xP-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:28:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199712011804.KAA35706@scv3.apple.com> Subject: BMI/ASCAP (no looping content) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 12:08:50 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"EiIkCC.A.3xC.p-vg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1648 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:28:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 60335bb415913b84765560636c65fa98 Is anyone on this list affiliated with BMI or ASCAP? What are the pro's and con's, costs, etc? Please respond via private e-mail. Travis Hartnett hartnett.t@apple.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:28 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 04:53:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcVMF-0005aY-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 04:53:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 07:47:25 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971201074723_-2109364584@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: domain name stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"b3nhpD.A.M-E.aIrg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1639 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 04:53:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b8f1236b7532443c038350e22638cd5 Kim; If you would like to E-mail me and send me your address, I would like to contribute $50.00 to whatever effort you deem necessary. By the way, I would like to challenge others to donate to Kim to continue this effort. We have a real jewel here. Oh, by the way if any of you have not heard Michael Peters Loops, take a little trip over to his Web site in Colonge, Germany, He has some very nice guitar loops for demo. Now someone was keeping a list of people that would like to donate to the 2nd CD project. Would it be possible to set up an FTP entry to "Loopers" to see the names? I think we could use this as a focal point for projects. Once things get under way, we would want to be able to look at time-lines on the projects etc. etc. See you guys later, have a good one! From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:15:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 15:42:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcfUL-0001PL-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:42:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:59:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Artistic Merit Resent-Message-ID: <"mMnlHD.A.yo.Pn0g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1653 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:42:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 0eb3fd125e80aa6aef08e06ac837b209 Having been one of the quieter members on this list long enough to have jumped in to the first CD project I'd like to share a few thoughts on CD Project #2. First: I am interested. My submission would be from Fingerpaint, a guitar duo driving multiple synths, effects and 5 jam men, one RDS 8000, one vortex, and an occassional short loop on a LXP-5 and or an Eventude H3000. We have access to a Tascam DA 38 for recording purposes. Second: Having recently read through all the posts concerning our listening habits, I'm a bit concerned about any individual or group having the final say on submissions. Are we representing "Looping" as an evolving form which may have "music" that some or perhaps all of us on this list do not like? We are a diverse group and should aim to celebrate this in a collection of looping. If so, I think if a member has a submission of a piece on an appropriate recording medium( I assume DAT) that is of the necessary recording quality; and this member is willing to put up the ante ($100), then they should be in. Third: Having seen how long the first project has taken to come to fruition, I would like to propose making the payments of the ante in installments as progress is made on the project. Ray has not cashed my check and in no way appears to have been in it for the money. But I think, it may be prudent to proceed with caution. This would minimize hurt feelings, etc...... Many thanks to Matt for volunteering to undertake this mission. Peace, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 08:51:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcZ49-0001xn-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:51:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199712011639.IAA26643@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Looper CD direction --> important Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:44:52 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e2Wvm.A.d5.Bjug0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1640 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:51:25 -0800 X-UIDL: fa30f68f534b4703bd4215d16800fba9 > From: ANET@aol.com > Now in setting up your suggestions on the net, I have been doing some > investigative work on credit card orders via the net etc., as well as > studying java etc. etc. A simple web page is no problem, but adding the > commercial end of it will take some dinero to get it started. In fact, there > seems to be a lot of plug and play apps that would allow website visitors to > put stuff into their shoping cart, credit card validators and even the > concept of a 1-900 number which could offer other services that would be > automatically charged to a customer's phone account. All this really depends on what direction the contributors want to take. Which is something that needs to be decided soon I think. Many people have already emailed me about getting involved. As far as credit card orders and 800 numbers, my company is already set-up to do this. > There will need to be project manager as well who sets up timelines and > deliverables > as well. This person would be the cheif overseer and whip-meister. Perhaps > the first > project died because there was no skin in the game. I believe that is me. I volunteered to help get the old CD project happening again but...well....you know the story there. Anyway, it seemed that there was enough interest in the concept to start working on the 2nd CD. So here we are. > What if there was an up > front > charge of $50 - $100 for music submissions? Or an initial group of investors > to get it off the ground. Say a $50 buy-in of which the first two or three > CDs are mailed to you free. This is the important part. We have two options on how we wish to proceed. First, we can limit distribution to list members and burn CD-Rs as we go (if someone on the list is kind enough to offer their services) or we can get 500 to 1,000 CDs manufactured. If we go with 500 CDs the cost will be approximately $1200 (2 color CD, 4 panel insert). My preference is to shy away from the "homebrew" CD concept and do something that looks (and sounds) professional. As mentioned earlier, we can sell the CDs from the Looper's Delight web page. I would like to see some of the profit go to Kim to help defray the costs involved with keeping this thing up and running. That being said, are people willing to pay approximately $100 to be involved with the CD? I was also thinking about approaching Alchemy Records and DGM for possible distribution of the project beyond our looping realm. If we decide to go this route we will need to make sure the quality of the project is top-notch. Any thoughts? Matt From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 09:01:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcZE1-00036k-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:01:37 -0800 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: CD Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 11:54:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <16534986400061@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"umLCWB.A.iEC.Wuug0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1641 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:01:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 69a02224b770ba2af620228a34cb08c7 I guess I joined the list after the CD project was initiated. Is it too late to get involved? If not what do I send and to whom? From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:54 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 09:05:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcZHy-0003Y4-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:05:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3482EC92.B694A9FE@wsdesigns.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 08:57:55 -0800 From: Warren Sirota Reply-To: wsirota@wsdesigns.com Organization: WS Designs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hexagrams loop recording on the Web in RealAudio X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b60Ka.A.PmC.Dzug0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1642 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:05:42 -0800 X-UIDL: cd31e4f73aad47587002d74db34a7850 Hi, I've just put a vast collage, Hexagrams, up on the Web in RealAudio. It's a collection of lots of interesting moments, edited into what I hope is an interesting journey. It's about 70% loop-based, with the rest being mostly solo unlooped-but-augmented guitar, except for one section which is an edited version of my performance on a MAX program that I wrote some years back. It's a 26-minute piece, but it's in streaming audio so you don't have to download the whole thing to listen, and you can jump around in it with just a few seconds' delay at each jump. So, if you've got a 28.8 modem or faster, hop on over to http://wsdesigns.com/wsirota/hexagrams.html and give a listen. Thanks. -- Yours truly, Warren Sirota musician, programmer, writer http://wsdesigns.com/wsirota From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 09:13:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcZPU-0004NL-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:13:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199712011701.JAA27237@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: CD Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:07:15 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"za7NYB.A.6HD.u3ug0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1643 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:13:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 54b217d9790be212c3726585a2f5b6e8 > From: Siobhan Canty > I guess I joined the list after the CD project was initiated. Is it too > late to get involved? If not what do I send and to whom? Don't worry. It's not too late!!! We are starting to work on a 2nd project. The details are still pending (see my previous post). I will probably be the person who will collect submissions. Matt From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:12:01 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 10:03:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcaBP-0001SV-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:02:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:39:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000543A5.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Looper CD direction --> important To: "Looper's Delight" Cc: Mike.Biffle@wj.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"IokbbC.A.RX.Hmvg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1646 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:02:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 799fe532cf167c425d61dde7cd2b8bed I'd be willing to go the $100.00 route as well. Now I have to get busy with some looping! -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Looper CD direction --> important Author: "T.W. Hartnett" at INTERNET Date: 12/1/97 11:13 AM >This is the important part. We have two options on how we wish to proceed. > First, we can limit distribution to list members and burn CD-Rs as we go >(if someone on the list is kind enough to offer their services) or we can >get 500 to 1,000 CDs manufactured. If we go with 500 CDs the cost will be >approximately $1200 (2 color CD, 4 panel insert). My preference is to shy >away from the "homebrew" CD concept and do something that looks (and >sounds) professional. > >As mentioned earlier, we can sell the CDs from the Looper's Delight web >page. I would like to see some of the profit go to Kim to help defray the >costs involved with keeping this thing up and running. That being said, >are people willing to pay approximately $100 to be involved with the CD? > >I was also thinking about approaching Alchemy Records and DGM for possible >distribution of the project beyond our looping realm. If we decide to go >this route we will need to make sure the quality of the project is >top-notch. > >Any thoughts? If we're going to dive in and do it the slick way, I'm in. I'd pay $100 or so to get on and get some CD's. If it's going to be a CD-R thing, I'm not interested. Travis From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:12:04 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 10:28:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcaZu-0003wU-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:28:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: Looper CD Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:54:18 +0100 Message-ID: <01bcfe82$253a69c0$6902a8c0@voulaz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2rZ48D.A.lsC.x9vg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1647 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:28:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e1c7f6933614e6f86a0847cda1aacd7 >>I was also thinking about approaching Alchemy Records and DGM for possible >>distribution of the project beyond our looping realm. If we decide to go >>this route we will need to make sure the quality of the project is >>top-notch. >> >>Any thoughts? > >If we're going to dive in and do it the slick way, I'm in. I'd pay $100 >or so to get on and get some CD's. >If it's going to be a CD-R thing, I'm not interested. > >Travis Hey, this thing is getting really intriguing, especially if the chance of contacting DGM or Alchemy Records will become true. I'm looking at the list from a while, but I had no very much time to participate to the interesting talks (since I don't have internet at home, only at work) - sic! Do you think it will be possible for European loopers to participate to the project? If so, put me (and my $100) on the list! Again, a CD-R is not of much interest, since nowadays it's very easy to make one at home, just like tapes for the car, but I think this is not what we are looking for... Ciao! The Looping Uncle 8^)# From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 11:11:59 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 09:53:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xca2P-0000S4-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:53:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:59:37 -0800 X-Sender: cho@newdream.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711300501_MC2-2A1D-6F26@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: profile data Resent-Message-ID: <"3agcYB.A.C8G.yevg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1645 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:53:42 -0800 X-UIDL: fa8268bab2ef26ad5c12d83a2a6302cc Michael, I think I will go ahead with the format of the data, as it exists in: http://newdream.net/~cho/loop/profiles/profiles.log The field delimiter is two semi-colons and there is a new line character at the end of each person's profile. Note that this file does not contain the comments section. Those will be in separate files for each person. For now, they can be in a file called, for example: Michael Peters.comments Note the first field for the entries in profile.log is a number. We can disregard this for now..I can add them in later. If you can begin to transfer the format, it would be great--0 if not, no problem: I am going on a business trip for 1 week -- I will talk to youwhen I get back. Cheers, Chris From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:15:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 12:03:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcc45-0004fe-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:03:33 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786B0@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: FS: Lex Prime Time $375 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 14:51:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xs-8J.A.hfD.FXxg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1649 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:03:33 -0800 X-UIDL: ec57f5de25546c33364d9cb27925742a At full bandwidth the PrimeTime with standard memory will give you a whopping 128ms at full bandwidth(up to 12kHz) and 1024ms with bandwidth limited to1.5kHz. If the machine has the extended memory(most do) these delay times are doubled. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 > ---------- > From: PJBMHB@aol.com[SMTP:PJBMHB@aol.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 1997 10:35 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375 > > how many seconds of delay does this puppy have? =-) PJ > From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:15:30 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 13:02:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xccz2-0001ro-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:02:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:54:19 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Looper CD direction --> important Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712011554_MC2-2A3F-DAD8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"cb2asD.A.QGB.PRyg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1650 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:02:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e15803a620fdb8db48f7721ec592ce2 > are people willing to pay approximately $100 to be involved with the CD? Yes. >we will need to make sure the quality of the project is top-notch. Agreed, but what *is* top-notch, and who decides which tracks to put on the CD, and which to omit? Method 1: We put somebody in charge for the project, and he/she decides. Or a small panel of loopers. Method 2: If we set up a project webpage for the CD, we could put realaudio samples of each track on the page, and decide democratically. This would mean even more work, but it would probably feel better to everyone involved. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:15:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 13:02:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcczX-0001vW-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:02:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:54:30 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: profile data Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712011554_MC2-2A3F-DAED@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"WgE-vB.A.aIB.dRyg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1651 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:02:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 9539966cf45a697b6b1ddb697f217546 thanks for the profile file!! >If you can begin to transfer the format, it would be great I'll put it on my todo list, but I won't promise anything - it might take weeks until I find the time. Maybe sooner. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:15:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 13:40:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcdaJ-0005OI-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:40:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199712012129.NAA32642@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Looper CD direction --> important Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:35:30 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lg0v4D.A.RLE.Izyg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1652 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:40:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 50e587f78ddd0141fe61e7ee3f5d6ef1 From: Michael Peters >> we will need to make sure the quality of the project is top-notch. > Agreed, but what *is* top-notch, and who decides which tracks to put on the > CD, and which to omit? > Method 1: We put somebody in charge for the project, and he/she decides. Or > a small panel of loopers. > Method 2: If we set up a project webpage for the CD, we could put realaudio > samples of each track on the page, and decide democratically. This would > mean even more work, but it would probably feel better to everyone > involved. I was actually thinking of enlisting the help of a panel of 5 or so loopers. I certainly don't want to be solely responsible for narrowing things down. Your idea of posting realaudio files on the web page is intriguing. Yes, it would be a lot more work but would it be more "fair." Perhaps a happy medium would be to nominate panel members from Looper's Delight and then vote on the nominees. Matt From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 17:02:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcgjp-0000bV-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <34835D49.4904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:58:49 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net Organization: Altruist Music & Radio Sovdep X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD direction --> important References: <199712011639.IAA26643@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o1ttp.A.VGH.Kx1g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1655 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:02:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f402cf5a9b57fac5590b426d340f2ea Matt McCabe wrote: > I was also thinking about approaching Alchemy Records and DGM for possible > distribution of the project beyond our looping realm. If we decide to go > this route we will need to make sure the quality of the project is > top-notch. I have doubts about DGM being a viable candidate for this. As far as I can tell, the label is set up just about entirely for Robert Fripp and his direct musical acquaintances; everyone on the label has some sort of King Crimson/Guitar Craft affiliation. I sent e-mail to the DGM address about a year or two ago to seek permission to send a demo tape, and never recived a reply. E-mails I exchanged with both Bill Forth (or Ten Seconds) and Mark Perry (the former head of DGM's American distributor, Possible Productions) seemed to confirm that the label's pretty much the exclusive terrain of Fripp and company. The other "problem" (actually more of an ideosyncrasy) with regards to DGM is that Fripp has basically stated (or at least did once before in an interview given during the formative period of DGM) that he doesn't feel a need to advertise the label's roster, since there's an already-established Fripp/Crimson fan base which he feels is active and curious enough to seek out the label's wares of their own accord. (Or at least, he felt confident that the music would be heard since there were people out there who would actively seek the label's releases out). I think it's fair to say that the audience for the DGM output is very likely limited almost exclusively to King Crimson fans; I don't think I've ever seen an ad for anything on DGM, come to think of it. You should definitely try to contact them anyway, if only to see what sort of reply you might get; my information may be outdated or inaccurate. But assuming that even some of the above is relevant, I doubt that DGM would be a viable home for a Looper's Delight CD. But check it out! And good luck. --Andre From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 18:51:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xciR2-0000jq-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:51:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199712020242.VAA26262@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Vortex for sale Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:45:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"k3hDj.A.YR.Ka3g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1656 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 18:51:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 9bc87c5e07e4fd9aac8f7cc38fc0b245 Hi, I was at this store today: http://www.generation.net/~musicr/Txpedall.htm The unit in question is in perfect condition w/foot switch and manual. Later, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:18 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 20:05:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcja0-0005um-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:05:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Michael X-Sender: dmic27@ccnet3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looper CD In-Reply-To: <199712011554_MC2-2A3F-DAD8@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0Fv9aB.A._DF.7d4g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1657 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:05:00 -0800 X-UIDL: f5f0c80b60380cb49347633b1ec6350e On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Michael Peters wrote: > > are people willing to pay approximately $100 to be involved with the CD? > >we will need to make sure the quality of the project is top-notch. > > Agreed, but what *is* top-notch, and who decides which tracks to put on the > CD, and which to omit? > > Method 1: We put somebody in charge for the project, and he/she decides. Or > a small panel of loopers. > > Method 2: If we set up a project webpage for the CD, we could put realaudio > samples of each track on the page, and decide democratically. This would > mean even more work, but it would probably feel better to everyone > involved. Hello, Count me in for the Looper's CD along with the $100.00 to get it done. There is a very good article on doing a project like this (CD over the internet) in the latest Keyboard magazine - Janurary 1998. The article describes the internet compilation CD "Giant Tracks." It ended up being completed in a very professional way, many people contributed their talents and they did the web site thing with samples of each tune. There is included a breakdown of costs and they actually sold enough CD's to make a little profit. Anyways I'll check to see if this article is on the Keyboard mag web site. Doug Michael From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:28 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 20:21:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcjq4-0007QQ-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:21:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:14:36 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971201231436_45256534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"F_OHc.A.zbG.zt4g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1658 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:21:36 -0800 X-UIDL: aaf7a3c934e52cb98d83925c8aadc62e Well it certainly looks like the project is on its way. What is the project? 1) A 2nd attempt to cut a loopers-delight CD. This CD will be of submissions by those that visit this site and it will be of high quality. 2) Submission from subscibers to the project would cost $100 minimally. Who is chosen is decided via a public vote? via listening to samples on a web page? Would all particpants be willing to take the time to listen to all of the submissions and subjectively rate them? 3) A producer/project-manager would be appointed to "ride-heard". The producer would solict submissions, weed them out and or put them up for a vote. Contact and keep track of all the participants. Start time-lines on project dates and report back to the group. Mix down the final cuts for consistant sound quality on the CD, make contact with the submittors to refine any flaws etc. etc. Contact the CD press and submit the DATs for press. A cover would need to be designed as well. In short the producer will do just about all the work. 4) Songs should be sent in their complete form? As opposed to doing multitrack work on the internet. 5) The Looper's-Delight webpage receives a stipend for the project. 6) The contributors to the project split the CDs minus any skimming for the Web page or Producer's efforts. 7) The reception of the CD to the public is reported back. 8) If good, then Phase 2 kicks in which would be to start an Internet marketing approach and or to contact a record company. 9) Mass production of all subsequent 40 volumes of the Loopers-Delight CDs to the entire world. 10) We make so much money, we buy Micorsoft and force all computer dealers to use Loopers delight samples for any sounds heard on a PC. I see a Janurary starting date with all submissions to be complete by Feb. Then a March 1st submission to the press and a 2nd week of March delivery of the CD. Looks like there are about 9 solid respondants to this proposal so far. 1)Kim, of course (you do play with these things you build don't you) 2)Matt Mcabe who has volunteered as the Producer 3)Michael Peters in Colonge, Germany who has some very nice samples set up. 4)John Peters, Rochester, Minnesota Acoustic guitarist (27yrs) 5)Randy Jones down there in Tejas 30 yr. guitarist 6)Stefano in Italy. 7)Mike Biffle 8)Travis Harnett 9)Siobhan Canty Please forgive me if I misspelled anyone's name. Looks like a good mix. Any others out there. Are we on the right track? Is Matt the new producer? (My vote is yes). From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:33 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 21:03:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xckUp-0002lY-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:03:43 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971202044913.0099dd4c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 20:49:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"UDo1x.A.6GC.TV5g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1659 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:03:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f3a5dd50ee0080e471e59bffdb32693 At 11:14 PM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >1)Kim, of course (you do play with these things you build don't you) Actually, you can leave this spot for someone else. I'm afraid I've got far too many other things going on at the moment to manage recording a track for the cd. Some future volume..... also, I imagine the list of hopeful contributors is much larger than what you've got on there. give people some time to decide if they want to be in it, and see how many cd's it's turning out to be. Seems like those who are interested ought to be contacting Matt, who could give us some idea of the scope of things after a week or so. I would like to encourage the diversity aspect, too. If the initial cd's are going to be a reflection of Looping and the community of people at Looper's Delight, then they should try to reflect the diversity we have here as well. It would be nice if people listening could hear a track and say "wow, I had no idea that people interested in this type of music might be interested in using loops." kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 21:14:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xckfP-0003hz-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:14:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ruffass@aol.com Message-ID: <971202000827_-871104688@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping with drums / editing loops Resent-Message-ID: <"mAhNu.A.bCD.Jg5g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1660 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:14:39 -0800 X-UIDL: f5ed18c1cfe0e79c7289eb6010a6fc59 please unsubscribe me many thanks From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:50:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 03:33:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcqa4-00056x-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:33:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:23:28 +0300 Message-ID: <0000644C.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"jZX3OB.A.qaE.hC_g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1665 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:33:32 -0800 X-UIDL: ceb4d56426d83aa5f3de64fc985052c5 Please include me in the 2nd CD list, I am strongly interested in the project. Miguel From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 23:56:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 23:35:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcmrZ-0003uT-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:35:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:30:38 -0700 (MST) From: Henry Throop To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"w7MHXB.A.RVD.fk7g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1661 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:35:21 -0800 X-UIDL: dcaed371a3115c589ff19921ffdf785d Doug Michael writes: > Count me in for the Looper's CD along with the $100.00 to get it done. > There is a very good article on doing a project like this (CD over the > internet) in the latest Keyboard magazine - Janurary 1998. The article > describes the internet compilation CD "Giant Tracks." It ended up being > completed in a very professional way, many people contributed their > talents and they did the web site thing with samples of each tune. There > is included a breakdown of costs and they actually sold enough CD's to > make a little profit. Anyways I'll check to see if this article is on the > Keyboard mag web site. > Doug Michael Another list I'm on (the didjeridu list) recently put out a similar compilation, which was hugely successful. Some relevant facts are: o The list is about the same size as this one. o The final CD is just about 74 minutes, with ~ 25 3-minute tracks. o Submissions were limited to one per person, and mostly fixed at 3 minutes. Everyone who sent in a tape ended up on the CD. Most of the people on the disc ended up bought multiple copies, so there was no additional 'submission fee.' o ~ 500 discs were pressed at first and sold for $15 each, to list-members and through a music store one member runs. I believe they're all sold out now. o The biggest unforseen problem ended up being what to do with the left-over $$. Nearly everyone had strong opinions and they all differed... the most popular options were a) send back profit to contributors; b) donate it to non-profits in Australia; b) bankroll it in making a 2nd CD. Beats me what ended up happening. o One list-member took nearly-entire control for collecting submissions, producing, mastering, printing, and distributing the disc. He had experience in doing such things before and -- as he works at a professional studio -- was able to use their facilities for free. 90% of the time invested was his, and it would have been done far less efficiently by committee. Other list-members a) designed the cover art, and b) did a once-over review of a cassette before the disc was pressed. The final CD ended up looking and sounding very professional. The only negatives really came from the compilation format: lots of short tracks. The liner notes couldn't include anything more than names and track titles, and ended up mostly on the web. Nevertheless, it's a fun, diverse, and highly interesting disc. I'd be happy to forward the the address of the compiler to anyone who's interested -- don't have it right now. I believe there's at least one other didj member on this list -- any additions? henry throop@colorado.edu From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:50:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 00:50:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xco24-0007Q8-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:50:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3483E692.DC9@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:44:36 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CD#2... and Great Expectations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NjUTfB.A._qG.vp8g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1662 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 00:50:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 4dd21518bf7101bef1439e9f9bab066a I'd like very much to contribute too. I wonder if this is going to be a double CD, because otherwise there will be too much material, I guess. I quite like this idea of RA samples avalaible to everyone to choose. We can not blind ourselves, most of the persons wanting to contribute won't probably make it to the CD, because of the limited size of the media. There will be choices to make at one point or another and then, blood and tears.... I wish we can find the most fair system, if fairness has anything to do with music. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:50:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 03:32:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcqYY-0004yT-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:31:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:24:41 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199712021124.AA14067@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"hZWi2D.A.eUE.NA_g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1664 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:31:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 4917f9f9c29ac678477ef3389ab0d951 >also, I imagine the list of hopeful contributors is much >larger than what you've got on there. >I would like to encourage the diversity aspect, too. If the >initial cd's are going to be a reflection of Looping and the >community of people at Looper's Delight, then they should try >to reflect the diversity we have here as well. It seems to me there are two plausible approaches: - try to produce a "top-notch" quality "professional" CD, - try to fit in everyone who wants to contribute. I think the latter is much more interesting, personally. Not from the perspective of contributing, but from the perspective as a listener-who-subscribes-to-this-list. Now, the above two descriptions are not quite how people have characterized things far, but I think it's relatively accurate. Presumably some people who might want to share their music with the rest of loopers' might have trouble producing music of sufficient quality to fit in the first style. If the "problems" are technical, perhaps it could be forgiven (e.g. mono recordings), although if it's an issue of musicality, there's not much that can be done. (Unlike the "Giant Tracks" example from Keyboard, one can't go back and "edit" ones loops very usefully.) Regardless of which way it goes, I would strongly recommend and up-front investigation of the added cost of doing a double-CD. This would allow both longer tracks and more participants, in some mix; increasing the quantity of participants will keep the cost to each from rising while increasing the track time will, no doubt, make everyone involved happier. (But requiring more sales to recoup the investments.) Sean Barrett PS: To put this a different way: I'm much more interested in hearing what everyone is doing then I am in purchasing a slick "best of". My personal opinion of course. From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:50:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 04:29:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcrRm-0006lV-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 04:29:02 -0800 From: brj@doc.ic.ac.uk (Benjamin Jefferys) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:24:35 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CD#2... and Great Expectations Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"FxOkeD.A.LLG.l4_g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1666 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 04:29:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 43cfc7a3a8cca8db8556cabcb40a96c0 This might sound a bit perverse, but how about voting for the tracks on the Web, then taking a *cross section* of those. That is, you take the track with the lowest and highest number of votes, and others scattered in between, maybe with a bias towards the more popular stuff. This would mean that you cater for more particular (less populist) tastes as well as others. It would also leave alot of good material for subsequent volumes (my worry was that you'd use all the good stuff on the first disc, making the others "worse"/less popular). Anyway, although I couldn't contribute to this CD (I have also never before contributed to this list ;)), I'll probably be buying one if it gets made, just to hear what can be done with all this equipment you're always talking about... Bye! Ben. -- From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 06:44:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xctZA-0001fA-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:44:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:36:32 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971202093631_-1637848383@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question Re: Roland RE 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"zjKpnB.A.wGB.u0Bh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1667 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:44:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 17321d46d4f14f25017cfadca216e232 Everyone, I've seen a Roland RE 800 Digital Delay for sale and I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about it? The store doesn't have the manual and the only way to really try the thing is to buy it. Any info about how good/useful this unit is would be appreciated - particularly if it is useful to looping/echo applications. Many Thanks, Paul O. "Drumworker@aol.com" From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 08:28:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcvBF-0000Nx-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:28:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199712021615.IAA12372@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Artistic Merit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:21:08 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cagMwD.A.4yG.USDh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1668 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:28:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 39fb336bf100a3427790e9aec22be985 > From: Patrick Smith > Second: Having recently read through all the posts concerning our > listening habits, I'm a bit concerned about any individual or group having > the final say on submissions. Are we representing "Looping" as an evolving > form which may have "music" that some or perhaps all of us on this list do > not like? We are a diverse group and should aim to celebrate this in a > collection of looping. If so, I think if a member has a submission of a > piece on an appropriate recording medium( I assume DAT) that is of the > necessary recording quality; and this member is willing to put up the ante > ($100), then they should be in. I understand your comments regarding a submission being rejected because someone doesn't like it. I would hope, and except, that members of the screening panel would be open-minded enough to "okay" a submission that didn't suit their musical tastes but is still good music. I know that personally, even though I might not particularly like a piece I music, I can still recognize it as being good. > Third: Having seen how long the first project has taken to come to > fruition, I would like to propose making the payments of the ante in > installments as progress is made on the project. Ray has not cashed my > check and in no way appears to have been in it for the money. But I think, > it may be prudent to proceed with caution. This would minimize hurt > feelings, etc...... My feeling is that no money should be exchanged until the master DAT is ready to be sent to the CD presser. > Many thanks to Matt for volunteering to undertake this mission. I think I must have been insane!! :-) Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 08:37:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcvK8-0001HS-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:37:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199712021628.IAA12756@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:33:22 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3mNqm.A.se.7dDh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1669 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:37:24 -0800 X-UIDL: d4e7d6404f1d9fc9c9508debf3d2ed8f > From: ANET@aol.com (our cyber minute keeper!!!) > 2) Submission from subscibers to the project would cost $100 minimally. Who > is chosen is decided via a public vote? via listening to samples on a web > page? Would all particpants be willing to take the time to listen to all of > the submissions and subjectively rate them? I think the decision on how to screen submission should be made by everyone is to be involved with the project. > 4) Songs should be sent in their complete form? As opposed to doing > multitrack > work on the internet. All songs should be submitted on DAT. > 10) We make so much money, we buy Micorsoft and force all computer dealers to > use Loopers delight samples for any sounds heard on a PC. Exactly. > I see a Janurary starting date with all submissions to be complete by Feb. > Then a March 1st submission to the press and a 2nd week of March delivery of > the CD. Wow! Realistically I think this timeline is a little aggressive. Having been involved with a number of CD projects already...believe me...there is always some last minute "issue" that pushes back the timeline. > Any others out there. Are we on the right track? Is Matt the new producer? > (My vote is yes). Thanks for the vote. What I'll be doing in the next couple of days is compiling a list of everyone who has expressed interest in the project. Then I've code a quick web page detailing how I think the project should proceed (including submission criteria, deadlines, calls for volunteers, etc) and then everyone can hack it to shreds!! Sound good? I'll coordinate with Kim to get the page linked to Looper's Delight. Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 08:42:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcvPI-0001qH-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:42:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199712021632.IAA12947@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Looper CD Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:37:48 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p7dtAD.A.75.KiDh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1670 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:42:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c1ee5cf09f48d73fc27ec3f0fe836bce > From: Henry Throop > o Submissions were limited to one per person, and mostly fixed at 3 minutes. > Everyone who sent in a tape ended up on the CD. Most of the people > on the disc ended up bought multiple copies, so there was no additional > 'submission fee.' > > o ~ 500 discs were pressed at first and sold for $15 each, to list-members > and through a music store one member runs. I believe they're all sold > out now. Who ended up paying for the CDs since no money was collected up front? Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 08:57:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcvds-0003H5-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:57:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:49:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712021649.LAA12306@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: 2nd Loop CD Resent-Message-ID: <"AfZfZC.A.VWC.zwDh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1671 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:57:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 4856c7a86b187adf5516829cf44e4663 I, too, would be interested in submitting material for a 2nd LD CD. I also agree with the idea of musical listenability as an important aspect of the CD as opposed to making the CD a demo for the many differenernt things a looper can do. The greater the variety of musical experience, the better. To that end, I also like the idea of a two-disk CD. I don't like the idea of putting the music up for votes on the web, however. For a starter, the only computer I have and can use with any regularity is my PC at work. Its an old 386 machine with no sound and pathetic graphics. (There is no justification for the accounting department to have a sound card and since money is tight and the computer runs the necessary software, no justification for a new machine.) As for an idea of what I'd submit, I'm not sure. There are things that my band, Dreamchild, has done that might be appropriate, some things we have done for theatrical productions could be as well, not to mention the prospect of writing/recording something just for the CD. Anyway, count me in. Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 09:01:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcvhp-0003gf-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:01:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:50:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000554C5.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"-_7vFC.A._fC.iyDh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1672 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:01:53 -0800 X-UIDL: a8ca2f68188156a1ce6e8d16f7243ec7 Excuse my mailer and it's lack of indents... I'll just add my two cents here at the top. Sean mentions track time below and, knowing how I and many other loopers operate, track time of less than 5 minutes is just not enough to build a dynamic, real-time loop. I would imagine that there are many who would prefer to have possibly ten minutes or more. What might be a target maximum track time? How many submissions we have now? A single CD might only cover submissions from 7-10 persons. We might have to create a multi CD project to accomodate the entire group! The $100 submission should still cover it. Like Sean, I would probably prefer to hear what everyone's up to rather than try to make this a marketable slick product. We could certainly boil these submissions down after the project for a commercial endeavor based on everyone's favorites. Cheers, Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. Author: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) at INTERNET Date: 12/2/97 6:24 AM >also, I imagine the list of hopeful contributors is much >larger than what you've got on there. >I would like to encourage the diversity aspect, too. If the >initial cd's are going to be a reflection of Looping and the >community of people at Looper's Delight, then they should try >to reflect the diversity we have here as well. It seems to me there are two plausible approaches: - try to produce a "top-notch" quality "professional" CD, - try to fit in everyone who wants to contribute. I think the latter is much more interesting, personally. Not from the perspective of contributing, but from the perspective as a listener-who-subscribes-to-this-list. Now, the above two descriptions are not quite how people have characterized things far, but I think it's relatively accurate. Presumably some people who might want to share their music with the rest of loopers' might have trouble producing music of sufficient quality to fit in the first style. If the "problems" are technical, perhaps it could be forgiven (e.g. mono recordings), although if it's an issue of musicality, there's not much that can be done. (Unlike the "Giant Tracks" example from Keyboard, one can't go back and "edit" ones loops very usefully.) Regardless of which way it goes, I would strongly recommend and up-front investigation of the added cost of doing a double-CD. This would allow both longer tracks and more participants, in some mix; increasing the quantity of participants will keep the cost to each from rising while increasing the track time will, no doubt, make everyone involved happier. (But requiring more sales to recoup the investments.) Sean Barrett PS: To put this a different way: I'm much more interested in hearing what everyone is doing then I am in purchasing a slick "best of". My personal opinion of course. From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 09:29:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcw8O-0006IK-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:29:20 -0800 X-Sender: ngold@mail.imagina.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:23:24 -0800 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Neil Goldstein Subject: CD Resent-Message-ID: <"qrVLfC.A.87E.WNEh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1673 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:29:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e3de3736d4c628a86c7b6a6e50c8d0d I'd like to contribute a track to the project. Question for me will be: which part of which one, as I have hours of looped improvisation on dat. Looping has heretofore been a relationship with the Unbounded. The question of beginning, middle and end (composition) has been on hold for sake of Exploration. That in mind, some sort of guidelines for length of the piece would be helpful. Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:17 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 09:44:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcwN6-00008X-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:44:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199712021733.JAA14652@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:38:16 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"crBEy.A.mhG.GbEh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1675 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:44:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 7d40d35ebba6452c106b6aa900e531d9 A number of people have mentioned the possibility of releasing a double CD. This idea is worth investigating *if* there is a need. We can (and will) address this need after I have a better idea of who is submitting material. > From: Mike Biffle > Sean mentions track time below and, knowing how I and many other loopers > operate, track time of less than 5 minutes is just not enough to build a > dynamic, real-time loop. I would imagine that there are many who would prefer to > have possibly ten minutes or more. The problem with longer track times is that the cost per submitter increases. In theory the idea of having longer track times provides greater artistic freedom...but, because track time is directly related to cost, it could also serve to eliminate some people who would otherwise submit material. > What might be a target maximum track time? How many submissions we have now? A > single CD might only cover submissions from 7-10 persons. We might have to > create a multi CD project to accomodate the entire group! The $100 submission > should still cover it. My estimates were based on a cost of $1200 for 500 CDs. With 12 submitters the cost per person is $100...which seemed reasonable and do-able to me. That being said, we could cut a few corners, lower the cost and the need for 12 submitters, and hopefully keep the cost around $100 each. For instance, we could go with a 2 panel booklet instead of 4, b&w instead of color, etc. > Like Sean, I would probably prefer to hear what everyone's up to rather than try > to make this a marketable slick product. We could certainly boil these > submissions down after the project for a commercial endeavor based on everyone's > favorites. I'm sure we would all like to hear what everyone is up to BUT I think some of us would also like to have a project pay for itself (marketable slick product). Personally, I'm tried of dishing out hard-earned money to press CDs that don't sell as well as I would hope. I still have about 250 CDs sitting in my basement from my old defunct band.....and a $800 bill that will probably never be recouped from sales. Alas....that's my problem. Granted....$100 or even $150 isn't that much.....but....compilation CDs can be very hard to sell if there are a few "lemon tracks." Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 10:18:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 10:03:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcwf1-0002A2-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199712021743.JAA14782@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: double CD Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:48:37 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xfVhgB.A.P_.hrEh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1676 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c8c3bfb096ae21abea6c1d6ad966315 I just did a quick head count. So far 29 people have indicated that they wish to be involved in the project. A double CD release would give us 148 minutes to work with or about 5 minutes each. Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 10:18:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 10:03:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcwfP-0002CS-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971202125439.0070c6ac@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:54:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. Cc: "Matt McCabe" In-Reply-To: <199712021628.IAA12756@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UQDGpD.A.pHB.vsEh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1677 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:03:27 -0800 X-UIDL: c18e41a226c38662284e71c024badb89 I'm interested in submitting a contribution. (Looped guitar with electric violin and percussion.) Thanks, Len Seligman From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 12:22:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 10:37:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcxCI-0005Up-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:37:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:26:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199712021826.MAA17543@netnet1.netnet.net> X-Sender: eponine@netnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mike barman Subject: Easy control Resent-Message-ID: <"9Uc6qD.A.wCE.cLFh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1678 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:37:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 2ba44a2fb964874f073308319e24c3ff This is a little tip ,or somthing, it makes looping with a Jamman easier. I'm not sure if anyone else out there hates the lexicon pedal but I personaly think they just dont feel right. (hard to use without a pedal board cause there lite, and the pedals are close together if you have big feet) So about three years ago I tried somthing. The conection is just trs so I took the dual sustain pedal from an electric piano (You know one of the nice metal heavy squeezy on your foot one's) and tryed this I'll never go back to using those three inch little factory boxes again. It realy take your mind off finding the floor box and back to the playing. (ok maybe thats takeing it a little far but its a comfortable change in the right direction. just thought I'd share. Mike. :) From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 12:22:25 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 10:39:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcxE1-0005gN-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:39:13 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712021743.JAA14782@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:27:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: double CD Resent-Message-ID: <"z7M1Q.A.MSE.mNFh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1679 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:39:13 -0800 X-UIDL: dbee8432bf34a9e658439fa3d5674d6a How about if we just do a cd on some regular basis, like every 4-6 months or something? Might make it easier to manage the project than trying to do it all at once, and then there is not the pressure to get everyone in on the first one. That would also allow for somewhat longer tracks. If someone doesn't get on this one, there's always the next one. Then maybe we could start doing themed versions after a while, and a "best of" which should rocket up the charts.... kim At 9:48 AM -0800 12/2/97, Matt McCabe wrote: >I just did a quick head count. So far 29 people have indicated that they >wish to be involved in the project. A double CD release would give us 148 >minutes to work with or about 5 minutes each. > >Matt ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:01:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 18:34:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd4db-0003js-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:34:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 20:48:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Ground Control Manual Resent-Message-ID: <"YUqSkB.A.KjC.9LMh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1689 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:34:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f4cf93a9d5b999d4dac59537082f634 A friend of mine has picked up a used Ground Control and needs a manual. Any one wishing to photocopy one for him contact Steev Geest: steev@aol.com Many thanks, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:26 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 21:02:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd6wq-0004Q4-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:02:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:00:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Number of Submissions Resent-Message-ID: <"IzxLKB.A.-VD.IYOh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1695 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:02:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 9045f16c0c4a1000601a1513615238d7 Seeing we are zooming past thirty even as I type one suggestion that comes to mind is to set the submission date. This will thin the ranks. One of the early problems with CD #1 was that Ray had to wait for people's submissions. Just an idea. For that release a Track Limit of 9 minutes was established. While this would keep the number of contributers to 8, provided every one went the limit, it does give people time to work in. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 21:02:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd6wv-0004Qh-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:02:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:03:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Corrrect address for GC manual Resent-Message-ID: <"ml2PID.A.yVD.HYOh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1694 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:02:13 -0800 X-UIDL: e2bbd2b6a139617ad06c37960c466b03 That's steevmg@aol.com. Thanks for you patience, P. *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 12:22:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 12:14:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcyiV-0006nE-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:14:47 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 14:26:00 EST Encoding: 32 Text, 23 Text, 62 uuencode Message-Id: <9711028811.AA881103710@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: double CD Resent-Message-ID: <"OF4TS.A.yRF.HlGh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1681 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:14:47 -0800 X-UIDL: ff57b45606c96c8f3a70e170f0cf1516 I'd like to contribute a piece, maybe as short as 2 minutes. Another option to consider would be collaborations. Trenkel? I think we've got some stuff in the vaults. In any case, 30 people would produce $3000 at $100 a person. Maybe it could be a triple CD ;>. ed chang (Embedded image moved to file: PIC001.PCX) Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-Internet on 12/02/97 12:58:00 PM To: Edward Chang cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail Subject: double CD >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: "Loop List" ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- I just did a quick head count. So far 29 people have indicated that they wish to be involved in the project. A double CD release would give us 148 minutes to work with or about 5 minutes each. Matt (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Tue, 02 Dec 97 12:57:07 EST Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net) by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18609; Tue, 2 Dec 97 12:56:32 EST Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcwXy-0001Ov-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:55:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199712021743.JAA14782@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: double CD Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:48:37 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Resent-Message-Id: <"xfVhgB.A.P_.hrEh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1676 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:55:46 -0800 The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. It contains information that had to be encoded to ensure successful transmission through various mail systems. To decode the file use the UUDECODE program. --------------------------------- Cut Here --------------------------------- Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:PIC001.PCX 12/02/97 02-42 P (????/----) (0002162C) From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 12:22:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 11:52:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcyMS-0004d8-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:52:00 -0800 Message-Id: <1160.199712021940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:40:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"9mxxY.A.fbD.9RGh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1680 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:52:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d9b11f335883297024fbc545a5e05d5 >My estimates were based on a cost of $1200 for 500 CDs. With 12 submitters >the cost per person is $100...which seemed reasonable and do-able to me. >That being said, we could cut a few corners, lower the cost and the need >for 12 submitters, and hopefully keep the cost around $100 each. For >instance, we could go with a 2 panel booklet instead of 4, b&w instead of >color, etc. If the average length of a CD is 72min (I know it's longer but bear with me), this works out at $100 for 6 min (or 28c/sec!)... I think no track should exceed 10 minutes, just to stop one player dominating the CD. >I'm sure we would all like to hear what everyone is up to BUT I think some >of us would also like to have a project pay for itself (marketable slick >product). How about a "flagship" CD plus a "everyone together", not-as-slick double TAPE (ie much cheaper) with everyone? If everybody knew what everyone else was doing, people would be more willing to form "cliques" of music which would sit well together and do it themselves. Hey! Tape tree! Michael From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:50:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 02:09:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcpH3-0002T2-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:09:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971202114107.486745b2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 11:41:07 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971202044913.0099dd4c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"S08D4D.A.0_B.6z9g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1663 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:09:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 36a52331458c1306d24860720ed48dea Kim: >also, I imagine the list of hopeful contributors is much larger than what >you've got on there. I'm also aware that many of you guys are professional musicians - and a CD like this is going to be of far more use to you than me. If there's space I'm in, but I don't want to deprive people. This is just a hobby for me. >I would like to encourage the diversity aspect, too. If the initial cd's are >going to be a reflection of Looping and the community of people at Looper's >Delight, then they should try to reflect the diversity we have here as well. >It would be nice if people listening could hear a track and say "wow, I had >no idea that people interested in this type of music might be interested in >using loops." Whilst I would tentatively agree with this, I think the tracks on such a CD would need to be very carefully arranged, or it's going to sound like one of these promotional hardware CDs ("Here's what a looper can do for _you_!") I think that the most important thing is that the CD be _good_listening_, putting the coherent presentation of the music before ideology. Michael From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 09:51:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 09:33:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcwCP-0006mp-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:33:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971202122354.40073b4c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:23:54 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Miller Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. In-Reply-To: <199712021628.IAA12756@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Akd2cD.A.bRF.gQEh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1674 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:33:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 6aac4d7107251cdd947b5dd394e99cfc >Thanks for the vote. What I'll be doing in the next couple of days is >compiling a list of everyone who has expressed interest in the project. >Then I've code a quick web page detailing how I think the project should >proceed (including submission criteria, deadlines, calls for volunteers, >etc) and then everyone can hack it to shreds!! Sound good? > >I'll coordinate with Kim to get the page linked to Looper's Delight. > >Matt I'm very interested! Looking forward to contributing, and eagerly await the details of the project. Thanks, Kevin From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:55:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 12:33:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcz12-0000jt-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:33:56 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712021743.JAA14782@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:24:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Re: double CD Resent-Message-ID: <"2intz.A.mJH.o5Gh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1682 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:33:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 52e8ea2c71103dfef6acf905f96a543a Count me in too! I'll pay the $100... >I just did a quick head count. So far 29 people have indicated that they >wish to be involved in the project. A double CD release would give us 148 >minutes to work with or about 5 minutes each. > >Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:56:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 16:12:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd2Q5-0003a7-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:12:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:01:17 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: quintuple CD Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712021802_MC2-2A77-129@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"154TZC.A.XBC.BEKh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1685 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:12:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 74b91ced3e8c553f664b42d5395dc8cf Kim: >How about if we just do a cd on some regular basis, like every 4-6 months >or something? Might make it easier to manage the project than trying to do >it all at once, and then there is not the pressure to get everyone in on >the first one. That would also allow for somewhat longer tracks. If someone >doesn't get on this one, there's always the next one. Then maybe we could >start doing themed versions after a while, and a "best of" which should >rocket up the charts.... sounds like a very good idea. By now so many people have expressed their interest (some of them not happy with a 5-minute-limit) that not even a double CD would be room enough. I'd vote for a single CD with an average length of 5-6 minutes. (No problem to me because many of the improvised tracks that I've done are 5-6 minutes ). Let's just start with a first CD. If it works out ok, we can always do a second and third one. One other thing: If we want this to be a commercial success, how about asking somebody famous (like Torn) to contribute a short clip. (cries of disgust) Ok, ok, this is a stupid marketing trick, and of course we *are* all fine enough musicians and our music can stand for itself ... it was just an idea. What do you think? (I'm sure Torn would contribute one of his cool loops which are only available on expensive CDROMs.) ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:56:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 16:05:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd1ob-000092-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:33:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971202181904_-1205711690@mrin39> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Requested quote source,Mr.bungle,new vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"Azi5-.A.pnG.rgJh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1683 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:33:18 -0800 X-UIDL: d803657a3a3dbd928ebc3b3db3388b46 I am very sorry that I did not respond any sooner...I was putting it off because I wanted to devote extra attention to it...thank you for the feedback regarding the classics + by the way My favorite song on the Mr.Bungle "disco violante" is #8 that ma meeshooka groove...excellent@ !! the book is called "the music lover's quotation book, A lyrical comanion" compiled by Kathleen Kimball I bought it at a stray bookstore at Jacksonville beach in Florida... it is published by:::::Sound and Vision Toronto it is a Fantastic book.heres a few more from it:: "Most people think of music as an art. But in reality music partakes of both art and science... every time a printed score is brought to life it has to re-created through different sound machines called music instruments" Edgar Varese "genius is talent in which character makes itself heard" Ludwig Wittgenstein "Creativity is harnessing universality and making it flow through your eyes... The greatest happiness in life is to be truely and consistently creative. Peter Koestenbaum (who?) " A nation creates music- the composer only arranges it." Mikhail Glinka "doh!" Homer Simpson ] ahh well hope this helps.... thanks to the guys for alerting the new Vortexessssss(an "investment better than stocks!") I got the last one..H e took off $35 cause there was no manual But never fear Loopers delight was here for me! any Vortex(*!)+Jamman tips would be appreciated ;o) see ya Reeve Martin From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:56:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 16:02:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd2Gn-0002S2-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:02:25 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971203000505.006bf480@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:05:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Looper CD Resent-Message-ID: <"WdwfOC.A.PIB.k8Jh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1684 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:02:25 -0800 X-UIDL: bd1dda0fdf21f28b4e55607520d83029 Just a thought. Although I may not be able to contribute at this time. A fair way to determine cost per looper may be $'s per minute. If a run of 500 CD's cost $1200 and the total run time per CD is approx. 70 min. each person would be charged $17.00 per min. One reason for this is like most people on this list I "assume" that most loop generated music tends be be of greater length then three minutes. Anyway my two cents. joe At 08:37 AM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >> From: Henry Throop > >> o Submissions were limited to one per person, and mostly fixed at 3 >minutes. >> Everyone who sent in a tape ended up on the CD. Most of the people >> on the disc ended up bought multiple copies, so there was no additional >> 'submission fee.' >> >> o ~ 500 discs were pressed at first and sold for $15 each, to >list-members >> and through a music store one member runs. I believe they're all sold >> out now. > >Who ended up paying for the CDs since no money was collected up front? > >Matt > > > From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:56:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 17:17:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd3Qe-00034F-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:16:40 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Looper CD Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcff80$cde0f4a0$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nppGcC.A.26B.QDLh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1688 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:16:40 -0800 X-UIDL: dc82b149796917dd78bb1d6246ab8374 I admittedly haven't been following this thread too closely, but the prices estimated seem pretty damn high to me. $1200 for 500 CD's? You can get them for a lot less, do cheap but creative packaging and stay well below a thousand. The $100 per person seems pretty steep to me. Maybe the administrator type can shop around for good deals and then split the cost among the participants. Also, does the $100 insure either a batch of CD's back or some money from sales? If we're gonna do this like a standard indie release, that would seem logical and fair. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Joe Cavaleri To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Looper CD > > Just a thought. > > Although I may not be able to contribute at this time. A fair way to determine >cost per looper may be $'s per minute. If a run of 500 CD's cost $1200 and >the total run time per CD is approx. 70 min. each person would be charged >$17.00 per min. > > One reason for this is like most people on this list I "assume" that >most loop generated music tends be be of greater length then three minutes. > > > Anyway my two cents. > > > > joe > > > >At 08:37 AM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >>> From: Henry Throop >> >>> o Submissions were limited to one per person, and mostly fixed at 3 >>minutes. >>> Everyone who sent in a tape ended up on the CD. Most of the people >>> on the disc ended up bought multiple copies, so there was no additional >>> 'submission fee.' >>> >>> o ~ 500 discs were pressed at first and sold for $15 each, to >>list-members >>> and through a music store one member runs. I believe they're all sold >>> out now. >> >>Who ended up paying for the CDs since no money was collected up front? >> >>Matt >> >> >> > > > From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:56:16 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 16:48:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd2zC-0007dx-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:48:18 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:31:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: double CD Resent-Message-ID: <"dQAg-D.A.rsF.SkKh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1686 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:48:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e7cba0e66ab27827e753e1e9d029a55 ed chang writes: > I'd like to contribute a piece, maybe as short as 2 minutes. Another > option to consider would be collaborations. Trenkel? I think we've got > some stuff in the vaults. That's true, there's a piece from the fabled lost minus/blindfold sessions that is rather loopadelic and runs about 2.5 minutes. I'm game if you are... I've been keeping quiet on this thread because I don't want to commit to something I can't complete, but, as I'm starting to see the faintest glimmers of light at the end of the current tunnel of work, buying/remodelling a house, here goes... I have a dat machine, the means to get stuff from dat to computer fully digitally, a cd-burner, the usual mastering and editing software tools, and a reasonable amount of experience, ie, I'm not a professional $100/hr mastering engineer, but I do spend a lot of time doing this kind of stuff and my customers say I don't suck. I'm willing to donate my equipment and time to this project if (and only if) it happens after the middle of January. Of course, I won't be offended if someone else steps in either... later, dt ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Dec 02 17:56:17 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 17:04:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd3F3-0001j7-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:04:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:51:36 -0800 Message-ID: <00055E3E.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Looper CD To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Joe Cavaleri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"15FbCD.A.in.53Kh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1687 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:04:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 50b09d5000cf15765d99ffe9d5a333ec This $ per minute idea sounds pretty good to me. I hope it doesn't cause any clock watching anxieties during loop creation! Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Looper CD Author: Joe Cavaleri at INTERNET Date: 12/2/97 4:05 PM Just a thought. Although I may not be able to contribute at this time. A fair way to determine cost per looper may be $'s per minute. If a run of 500 CD's cost $1200 and the total run time per CD is approx. 70 min. each person would be charged $17.00 per min. One reason for this is like most people on this list I "assume" that most loop generated music tends be be of greater length then three minutes. Anyway my two cents. joe At 08:37 AM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >> From: Henry Throop > >> o Submissions were limited to one per person, and mostly fixed at 3 >minutes. >> Everyone who sent in a tape ended up on the CD. Most of the people >> on the disc ended up bought multiple copies, so there was no additional >> 'submission fee.' >> >> o ~ 500 discs were pressed at first and sold for $15 each, to >list-members >> and through a music store one member runs. I believe they're all sold >> out now. > >Who ended up paying for the CDs since no money was collected up front? > >Matt > > > From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 19:30:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd5WC-0002Ow-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:30:32 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971203010056.009d5a6c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:00:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: quintuple CD Resent-Message-ID: <"K7c_6C.A.QIB.6_Mh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1692 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:30:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 286626a7887bbf3e97a9036eccfb53bc At 06:01 PM 12/2/97 -0500, Michael Peters wrote: >Kim: > >>How about if we just do a cd on some regular basis, like every 4-6 months >>or something? Might make it easier to manage the project than trying to do >>it all at once, and then there is not the pressure to get everyone in on >>the first one. That would also allow for somewhat longer tracks. If >someone >>doesn't get on this one, there's always the next one. Then maybe we could >>start doing themed versions after a while, and a "best of" which should >>rocket up the charts.... > >sounds like a very good idea. By now so many people have expressed their >interest (some of them not happy with a 5-minute-limit) that not even a >double CD would be room enough. another thing I like about this approach is it gives more opportunity to overlap the projects and divide the production aspects among more people. So while Ray is (hopefully) finishing up the first cd, Matt is geting started on the second cd, and while Matt is in the midst of finishing that one someone else would be getting started on the third. If one person's generous volunteering becomes overwhelmed with reality for a while, there is still another project moving along somewhere in parallel. So we don't suffer with long bouts of silence, and all of the budding recording engineers get an opportunity to practice a bit. And next year, when someone from the first cd wants to show off the new music they have been working on, they can just hop onto the next cd project with a free spot. There isn't so much of a "this is the only chance" kind of feeling. You might even want to schedule who goes on what cd by who is most ready. Some folks could probably fedex a dat to Matt tomorrow, some will want a little more time to edit some things, some even more to compose and record a special piece. And some probably still need to save their pennies to get a dat recorder. :-) The folks who are all ready shouldn't have to wait for those still working on it, and those working shouldn't feel too rushed to do their best. >One other thing: If we want this to be a commercial success, how about >asking somebody famous (like Torn) to contribute a short clip. (cries of >disgust) Ok, ok, this is a stupid marketing trick, and of course we *are* >all fine enough musicians and our music can stand for itself ... it was >just an idea. What do you think? (I'm sure Torn would contribute one of his >cool loops which are only available on expensive CDROMs.) That might be fun if Mr Torn or some of the other more successful folks around were interested in joining in. He does lurk around here sometimes, so he sort of qualifies. I see a couple of problems with that, though. One is that the more famous person might overshadow the others sharing the disc, so that the average folk's work doesn't get so much an opportunity to stand on its own. And second, while Mr. Torn manages to be quite diverse himself, he still only represents a limited spectrum of the styles that might be on the same disc. His audience would likely dominate the sales of the cd, and they might not be so appreciative of other musicians employing loops to create radically different styles, which might not be so fair to those folks. Just some thoughts, any others? Commercial success of these things doesn't have to be that huge, just enough to pay the costs and hopefully a little extra to help with the ISP bills for the site. I kind of like the grassroots approach where everyone gets to put their stuff out and share it around, and we say individually and collectively, "hey, this is who we are." It should be fun, right? kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:01:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 18:42:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd4lK-0004ea-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:42:06 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971203013428.006ae33c@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:34:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Looper CD Resent-Message-ID: <"T9We6B.A.ldD.GUMh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1690 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:42:06 -0800 X-UIDL: cd6549286ac3695ca13ee0eee6fa92c4 Hi again.. Please don't quote me on prices, this is just a rough sketch. But for to keep things simple let's say that 10 people end up on the finished product. Each would then receive approx. 50 CD's each. joe At 07:17 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >I admittedly haven't been following this thread too closely, but the prices >estimated seem pretty damn high to me. $1200 for 500 CD's? You can get >them for a lot less, do cheap but creative packaging and stay well below a >thousand. The $100 per person seems pretty steep to me. Maybe the >administrator type can shop around for good deals and then split the cost >among the participants. > >Also, does the $100 insure either a batch of CD's back or some money from >sales? If we're gonna do this like a standard indie release, that would >seem logical and fair. > >-Jesse > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Cavaleri >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: Looper CD > > >> >> Just a thought. >> >> Although I may not be able to contribute at this time. A fair way to >determine >>cost per looper may be $'s per minute. If a run of 500 CD's cost $1200 and >>the total run time per CD is approx. 70 min. each person would be charged >>$17.00 per min. >> >> One reason for this is like most people on this list I "assume" >that >>most loop generated music tends be be of greater length then three minutes. >> >> >> Anyway my two cents. >> >> >> >> joe >> >> >> >>At 08:37 AM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >>>> From: Henry Throop >>> >>>> o Submissions were limited to one per person, and mostly fixed at 3 >>>minutes. >>>> Everyone who sent in a tape ended up on the CD. Most of the people >>>> on the disc ended up bought multiple copies, so there was no >additional >>>> 'submission fee.' >>>> >>>> o ~ 500 discs were pressed at first and sold for $15 each, to >>>list-members >>>> and through a music store one member runs. I believe they're all sold >>>> out now. >>> >>>Who ended up paying for the CDs since no money was collected up front? >>> >>>Matt >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 18:50:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd4tO-0005cA-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:50:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971202213647.006a913c@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:36:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: Re: CD Project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pXEPN.A.8TE.gbMh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1691 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:50:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 40269525d557feaeea2e3ddd5cd4ecb3 Hi All, I've been lurking around Loopers-Delight for some time now and this project sounds so exciting I couldn't resist. It looks like there is no shortage of Loopers out there. So, if there is a slot, please include me as a submitter. I can submit on DAT format. I prefer the more pro approach and am willing to kick in $100.00 or whatever. Three - five minute tracks sounds o.k. How about a theme for cohesiveness? A project every 4-6 months would be nice based on the interest this one seems to bring. Wav files or RA would be great on the LD web. Maybe a monthly feature on RA. Or, a colaberative. I've been looping for many years now. I started with a few old tape Echoplex's. I still have them and use them once in awhile. Now I'm more into sample loops. I like "flying in" my Jupiter-6 (among other things) into an RDS8000 looper too. It works very well for live performing. My stuff goes in and out of organic, ambient, space rock, a little tech to electronica. (just to through sum buzz words around) Thanx Kim, for creating LD and Matt for taking on this project. I'm not that computer literate so, you guys make a big differance. Later, Mark b. Theatre of the Mind 610.664.8809 From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 19:30:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd5Vn-0002Lk-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:30:07 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971203030444.0070dcf8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 19:04:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: quintuple CD Resent-Message-ID: <"-b3-h.A.AJB.__Mh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1693 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:30:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 9052d1f93f9465211b2b9e24c20a0cb2 At 06:01 PM 12/2/97 -0500, Michael Peters wrote: >Kim: > >>How about if we just do a cd on some regular basis, like every 4-6 months >>or something? Might make it easier to manage the project than trying to do >>it all at once, and then there is not the pressure to get everyone in on >>the first one. That would also allow for somewhat longer tracks. If >someone >>doesn't get on this one, there's always the next one. Then maybe we could >>start doing themed versions after a while, and a "best of" which should >>rocket up the charts.... > >sounds like a very good idea. By now so many people have expressed their >interest (some of them not happy with a 5-minute-limit) that not even a >double CD would be room enough. another thing I like about this approach is it gives more opportunity to overlap the projects and divide the production aspects among more people. So while Ray is (hopefully) finishing up the first cd, Matt is geting started on the second cd, and while Matt is in the midst of finishing that one someone else would be getting started on the third. If one person's generous volunteering becomes overwhelmed with reality for a while, there is still another project moving along somewhere in parallel. So we don't suffer with long bouts of silence, and all of the budding recording engineers get an opportunity to practice a bit. And next year, when someone from the first cd wants to show off the new music they have been working on, they can just hop onto the next cd project with a free spot. There isn't so much of a "this is the only chance" kind of feeling. You might even want to schedule who goes on what cd by who is most ready. Some folks could probably fedex a dat to Matt tomorrow, some will want a little more time to edit some things, some even more to compose and record a special piece. And some probably still need to save their pennies to get a dat recorder. :-) The folks who are all ready shouldn't have to wait for those still working on it, and those working shouldn't feel too rushed to do their best. >One other thing: If we want this to be a commercial success, how about >asking somebody famous (like Torn) to contribute a short clip. (cries of >disgust) Ok, ok, this is a stupid marketing trick, and of course we *are* >all fine enough musicians and our music can stand for itself ... it was >just an idea. What do you think? (I'm sure Torn would contribute one of his >cool loops which are only available on expensive CDROMs.) That might be fun if Mr Torn or some of the other more successful folks around were interested in joining in. He does lurk around here sometimes, so he sort of qualifies. I see a couple of problems with that, though. One is that the more famous person might overshadow the others sharing the disc, so that the average folk's work doesn't get so much an opportunity to stand on its own. And second, while Mr. Torn manages to be quite diverse himself, he still only represents a limited spectrum of the styles that might be on the same disc. His audience would likely dominate the sales of the cd, and they might not be so appreciative of other musicians employing loops to create radically different styles, which might not be so fair to those folks. Just some thoughts, any others? Commercial success of these things doesn't have to be that huge, just enough to pay the costs and hopefully a little extra to help with the ISP bills for the site. I kind of like the grassroots approach where everyone gets to put their stuff out and share it around, and we say individually and collectively, "hey, this is who we are." It should be fun, right? kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 21:51:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd7ir-00018T-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:51:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:46:54 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199712030546.AA19773@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"v8UqXD.A.mn.OJPh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1696 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:51:45 -0800 X-UIDL: e612b33eea0034963590080a994d90a4 >How about a "flagship" CD plus a "everyone together", >not-as-slick double TAPE (ie much cheaper) with everyone? >...Tape tree! Oh, good point. Somehow I had forgotten the existence of all non-digital media... (well, assuming you mean tape tape not DAT). I guess it's just not quite as sexy as a CD so harder to find someone willing to run it. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 2 23:53:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd9cg-0001gC-00; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:53:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971203025037.006aee60@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 02:50:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: Re: quintuple CD In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971203030444.0070dcf8@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rQqKMC.A.zLB.g7Qh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1697 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:53:30 -0800 X-UIDL: f025adf59038f903cdde1c5bf29732ca At 07:04 PM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:01 PM 12/2/97 -0500, Michael Peters wrote: >>Kim: >> >.......... I kind of like the grassroots approach where >everyone gets to put their stuff out and share it around, and we say individually and collectively, "hey, this is who we are." It should be fun, right? >kim >_______________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com Now you're talking. From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 00:12:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xd9vD-0002uz-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:12:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971203031029.006adbc4@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 03:10:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: Re: Number of Submissions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"039DEB.A.VXC.wNRh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1698 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 00:12:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 86ba853071f3de8f038a7a3edc089e57 At 09:00 PM 12/2/97 +0200, you wrote: >Seeing we are zooming past thirty even as I type one suggestion that comes >to mind is to set the submission date. This will thin the ranks. One of the >early problems with CD #1 was that Ray had to wait for people's >submissions. Just an idea. > > For that release a Track Limit of 9 minutes was established. While this >would keep the number of contributers to 8, provided every one went the >limit, it does give people time to work in. > >Patrick > > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > > > > > > I like that idea. This way everybody's on there own time-line. And it's all about timing,,,,,,,,,,,,,isn't it? Mark b. From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 03:21:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdCs0-0003l9-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:21:32 -0800 Message-Id: <5861.199712031114@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:14:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"GsjBwD.A.yND.-9Th0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1700 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:21:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 339e2f25d6940a81a285080cde928d7c >> How about a "flagship" CD plus a "everyone together", >> not-as-slick double TAPE (ie much cheaper) with everyone? ...Tape tree! > Oh, good point. Somehow I had forgotten the existence > of all non-digital media... (well, assuming you mean > tape tape not DAT). I mean tape tape not DAT! > I guess it's just not quite as sexy as a CD so harder to find someone > willing to run it. "I'm too sexy for my tape!" The point is, if we do a LD tape for our own consumption we can skimp on some of the glossier production aspects (mastering, presentation etc) in order to produce a LD tape for oor own consumption. Then everybody is better placed to work out who gets on the CD, because we all have copies of everyone else's work. I think the aims of "let's show the world what we can do" and "let's find out what we all actually do" are completely different, and as such can be adressed more easily using diferent formats. Michael From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 06:28:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdFmf-0000mN-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:28:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCFFCD.3238E7E0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: King Crimson Concert in London, England Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:24:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oe9zKC.A.yN.0rWh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1701 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:28:13 -0800 X-UIDL: f5e21c9cbc384e27395a54c95807f3c1 Did anyone see the King Crimson "research" concert with Fripp, Gunn, Levin and Mastellato in London, England? I think they were playing 3 or 4 nights of improvisations. Was there much looping? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:03:19 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 08:18:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdHUv-0002ds-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:18:01 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight Postings" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:07:48 -0700 From: "frivolous" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: King Crimson Concert in London, England X-Sender-Ip: 194.72.122.73 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-8QcXD.A.NtB._RYh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1704 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:18:01 -0800 X-UIDL: c876607aa40e66ff38d0a06b17002d20 Not really King Crimson - it's Fripp, Gunn, Bruford & Levin, calling themselves "PROJECkT One". Not much looping, only Fripp himself with his current Soundscapes setup (four TC2290s, two Eventide H3000 UltraHarmonizers, Korg A3, Sound Sculpture SwitchBlade, et al). The music itself is extremely interesting, however - very weird, sometimes jazzy, sometimes funky, especially when Fripp cranks up the fretless bass preset on his VG-8, or a synth organ sound for comping. Levin's on Chapman Stick, and MusicMan StingRay, and NS Electric Upright, and Clavia Nord Lead synth, and Sony digital camera. Bruford is completely acoustic - no Simmons SDX, just lots of clattering thrakking noises, while Trey Gunn is on a planet of his own (Warr Guitar, Trace Elliot stack, and some effects box that scrolls the message "Bite Me, Bagel Boy" in between patch changes.) There's still two nights of this madness left - tonight (Wednesday) and Thursday. The Jazz Cafe is extremely close to the Camden Town "Tube" station, in the street called "Parkway". My ticket for Thursday may be going spare, so drop me a line by Thursday mid-day (GMT) if you're interested in going... there might be some more on sale (15 pounds) at the door, too. (Tuesday was half-empty). Music starts at 9PM, with Fripp doing very minimal Soundscapes (3-4 plucked notes an hour) on and off from before the doors open (7PM). If anybody knows the area, I'll be in the O'Neills Irish pub 2/3 the way down Camden High Street on the right, from about 7:00-8:30 tonight and tomorrow, wearing a beard, glasses, big blue coat and carrying a brown shoulder bag, drinking Guinness... Cheers! (hic) Brian Thomson aka: --- frivolous@mailexcite.com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See the XLChords project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:03:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 07:58:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdHCR-0000km-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:58:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:51:02 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971203105102_-971325974@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: HI ALL! , Resent-Message-ID: <"zjfgk.A.GD.kAYh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1703 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:58:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f83601c6c97536b18ad539e0771da40 m, I would recommend a PC as hardware/software innovations are more frequently made available to a lesser price and greater frequency.Actaully MAcs are great,probally even better than PC perhaps but they are harder to upgrade and with only 4-5% market share new developers are concentratin on PCs (duh). How would it help if you could actually USE the new goodies, for example programs like Reality, or whatever because your hardware is compatable.Actaully you never even worry about compatability with a PC..with direct x now standard for audio software pulg-ins (the cool stuff) and there are many companies tripping over themselves now developing for that...with a Mac there is no standard!hence high prices and less you can use with everything...hope this helps Reeve From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:03:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 08:20:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdHXT-0002xc-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:20:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199712031612.IAA01129@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Looper CD Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:17:13 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LDCphB.A.sDC.RVYh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1705 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:20:39 -0800 X-UIDL: c3b48f782d1cd22b7f36cf721ab04d54 > From: Jesse Kudler > I admittedly haven't been following this thread too closely, but the prices > estimated seem pretty damn high to me. $1200 for 500 CD's? You can get > them for a lot less, do cheap but creative packaging and stay well below a > thousand. The $100 per person seems pretty steep to me. Maybe the > administrator type can shop around for good deals and then split the cost > among the participants. If Jesse or anybody has any leads on lower CD duplication prices please email me privately with the company name and number. I'm all for getting the best price. Thanks!! Matt From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:03:39 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 09:26:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdIYj-0001Oa-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:26:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Macs for Music , Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:16:57 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"9XxtNC.A.ba.2QZh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1707 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:26:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 141f9810b024aa4f736e5fe351c57ca9 >>quote>> > -----Original Message----- > From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com [SMTP:ZeplinSoup@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 10:56 AM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: HI ALL! , > > m, > I would recommend a PC as hardware/software innovations > are more frequently made available to a lesser price and greater > frequency.Actaully MAcs are great,probally even better than PC perhaps > but > they are harder to upgrade and with only 4-5% market share new > developers > are concentratin on PCs (duh). > How would it help if you could actually USE the new goodies, > for example programs like Reality, or whatever because your hardware > is > compatable.Actaully you never even worry about compatability with a > PC..with > direct x now standard for audio software pulg-ins (the cool stuff) > and there > are many companies tripping over themselves now developing for > that...with a > Mac there is no standard!hence high prices and less you can use with > everything...hope this helps > Reeve <From kflint Wed Dec 3 08:43:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdHtW-0005Aj-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:43:26 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:38:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Loop CD Resent-Message-ID: <"Akp0SC.A.DAE.poYh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1706 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:43:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 0908f99dc7efeac43f174296812b8154 Some new ideas, starting out from some old facts: When I had the idea to do such a CD for the first time in '92, I had no idea of Internet nor Oberheim... But I wanted to create a users group and call it: LOOP GROOP. In '94 I suggested to the 100 clients of the LOOP delay to create such a group and start it with a CD and got 4 very good submissions on DAT - which was not enough to make the CD: - Andre Cricula (AVALON nylon guitar) + Conny Summer (marimba) - Kuno Wagner (Stick) - Patrick Steinbach (guitars) - Renato Rizzo (flamenco guitar) Then the net came here and I learned what a mailing list is and I was pleased that a LOOP GROOP happened in a very simple and alive way, much better than I could have imagined. The proposual of the CD came up quickly and I submitted a CD-R with about 12 pieces to Ray: - the 4 submissions I got in '94, - some of my sound with various partners - some other music recorded with loops by people here that do not use computers for comunication. (and most probably would not pay to participate) I see three purposes of this action: A - Exchange of ideas between loopists so we get to know each other better and have a base to discuss methods and music and hopefully all can grow a bit. B - Help for musicians that cannot afford to produce a CD of their own, but need one to get jobs... C - Promotion of our music in the world so people get an idea what looping may sound like, respect and contract musicians that do it. Isn't it possible that some music magazine might dedicate and article and include such CD? D - Publicity for the equipment. Oberheim might be interested in offering such a CD to their clients to show why they should buy such equippment (like a prospect) and then how they could use it (like a manual) For A, the samples on the site might be enough. So I think this is a valid effort, even if never any CD will grow out of it. I had proposed to do CDR for this purpose, but you did not like the idea and I must admit that if 100 send songs in, it takes at least 5 CDRs to put them on, and 150 want a copy of all, that makes 750 CDRs to burn... Maybe, Michals "tapeTree" idea is a good one, so we get better sound quality, more music time, less net download time and people without audio computer can participate, too. For B, I think the list can be a helpfull meeting point, but there is no need to "centralize" on the list. Such CDs could be done within groups of members that find to have the same idea, level, style, taste, whatever and discover a way to produce it. The samples on the site may help to form such groups. There may be more time for each musician. Usually 3 minutes is not enough, really. For C, we need to achieve maximum musical and technical quality, otherwhise it simply does not have the effect, or even a negative one. C would be an option in the future. Once some work is ready, we can negociate with Oberheim or Boomerang. It probably means that only pieces recorded with the respective equippment are of interest. I somehow liked the idea of separating styles, since we know that there will be more submissions than space on one CD. Probably two CDs are not much more expensive to produce than one doubble and it will be cheaper for the buyer and easier to use for a certain public, select a cover that fits the style, find work in a certain place... So the "2nd CD project" will not include what happened so far? Will I have to submit a new CD to participate? Nevermind... Often, musicians take a long time to get their piece together, so we could also start the CD simply with the ones that send in first, see how it goes and head for another one. Matthias From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:03:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 06:40:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdFyf-0001hf-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:40:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199712031435.JAA00820@bkinis.ms.com> Date: Tue 02 Dec 1997 21:33 ET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: MEHDI@ms.com Subject: HI ALL! , In-Reply-To: The letter of Tuesday, 2 December 1997 9:28pm ET Resent-Message-ID: <"fT7HvB.A.XLB.b4Wh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1702 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 06:40:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 50b57cffec889f48485535b87d8c163b Hi folks, this is my first time hooking up on LOOP... I am looking to get into doing musci sampling and mixing...I believe I have a good ear for sound and world music...However, I have no formal music training...Someone told me to get a MAC and that I could experiment on mixing music/sounds etc.. Any idea for a novice like myself ? Your advice would be much appreciated thanks, m From ???@??? Wed Dec 03 10:02:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 01:09:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdAoY-0005iK-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:09:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971203104314.2e7779aa@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 10:43:14 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: quintuple CD In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971203030444.0070dcf8@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hyv4lC.A.0CF.lDSh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1699 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:09:50 -0800 X-UIDL: fb4f32dca1dfa7d5144851777a1e5414 >>One other thing: If we want this to be a commercial success, how about >>asking somebody famous (like Torn) to contribute a short clip. (cries of >>disgust) Ok, ok, this is a stupid marketing trick, and of course we *are* >>all fine enough musicians and our music can stand for itself ... it was >>just an idea. What do you think? (I'm sure Torn would contribute one of his >>cool loops which are only available on expensive CDROMs.) If music could stand for itself, I can think of any number of musicians who deserve as much success as the Spice Girls. Let's face it, we need all the help we can get! I think it's a great idea. Besides, I like the prospect of getting another Torn track! :) >That might be fun if Mr Torn or some of the other more successful folks >around were interested in joining in. He does lurk around here sometimes, so >he sort of qualifies. I see a couple of problems with that, though. One is >that the more famous person might overshadow the others sharing the disc, so >that the average folk's work doesn't get so much an opportunity to stand on >its own. Well, that will happen anyway, albeit to a lesser degree. People like Jon, Warren or Andre f.e. are way up the Looping Tree compared to, say, little ole me. If CD gets snapped by a bunch of Torn fans, they are probably going to enjoy it since they've got to be pretty damned open minded to begin with! >And second, while Mr. Torn manages to be quite diverse himself, he >still only represents a limited spectrum of the styles that might be on the >same disc. His audience would likely dominate the sales of the cd, and they >might not be so appreciative of other musicians employing loops to create >radically different styles, which might not be so fair to those folks. Just >some thoughts, any others? that's going to be a problem regardless - if the content is too diverse, people will find tracks they dislike (A friend of mine borrowed Eric Johnson's Ah Via Musicom and thought it was OK - would have been great if not for that _country_ track!). And if you look down the list of influences on the LD website, Torn must figure in about 50% of them - so at least the CD should sound cohesive. Michael From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:48 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 19:10:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdRg2-0001yH-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:10:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:28:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Jam man sighting Resent-Message-ID: <"jx-xhD.A.TYB.-2hh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1722 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:10:10 -0800 X-UIDL: f0d4e4e5b7bff491fd2e1c2932478b77 LEXICON JAMMAN with full upgrade & footswitch EXC $taking offers Just saw this on rec.music.makers.market. Contact: spacex@ix.netcom.com to make an offer. There's also one on the Rogue Auction SIte. Good luck, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:30:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 14:03:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdMsq-0004KT-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:03:04 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup Message-ID: <4086ee07.3485d47e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:51:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Number of Submissions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"ldg6iC.A.dDD.XTdh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1708 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:03:04 -0800 X-UIDL: a87acc4472dbd1d63baa92d691105a66 does mp3 help in this regard or nay? From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:31:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 14:36:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdNOk-0007ky-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:36:02 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199712032225.OAA09806@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Macs for Music , To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:25:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Ott, John" at Dec 3, 97 11:16:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RTPiT.A.DRG.Hydh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1709 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:36:02 -0800 X-UIDL: f7831793be3c91495fe6b7746d5f0e28 My take on this is boring and predictable, but has to be said: Identify the software you want to use, then get the hardware that will run it. For example, if you decide you have an immediate need for Max, a graphical programming toolkit for MIDI and other music applications, then you go with a Mac or an SGI workstation. The latest version of the bio for Miller Puckette, creator of Max, says that a Windows version is a possibility, but it may be quite a wait. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:31:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 15:04:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdNqV-0002oN-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:04:43 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A44@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:58:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rydcrB.A.X6B._Oeh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1710 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:04:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 748ab366c12b1fb802ff31804db9c567 Just a few ideas on the idea of The Loopers-Delight CD Series. 1. Why not try to loosely follow themes for each CD? For example: by nation or by instrument or by genre or by season 2. If multiple CD's are created (with themes or not) - maybe a common look/logo may be useful to tie them together?? 3. Don't forget mastering! Depending on who does this and what resources are available to them this may not be an issue - but without some quality mastering to help level match and preserve frequencies. I've been on a compilation CD and it's easy to become disappointed if the mastering is done really poorly... And good mastering is about $100 an hour. For 70 minutes of programming count on at least 3-4 hours... david -----Original Message----- From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk [SMTP:pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 2:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: The 2nd CD project. >My estimates were based on a cost of $1200 for 500 CDs. With 12 submitters >the cost per person is $100...which seemed reasonable and do-able to me. >That being said, we could cut a few corners, lower the cost and the need >for 12 submitters, and hopefully keep the cost around $100 each. For >instance, we could go with a 2 panel booklet instead of 4, b&w instead of >color, etc. If the average length of a CD is 72min (I know it's longer but bear with me), this works out at $100 for 6 min (or 28c/sec!)... I think no track should exceed 10 minutes, just to stop one player dominating the CD. >I'm sure we would all like to hear what everyone is up to BUT I think some >of us would also like to have a project pay for itself (marketable slick >product). How about a "flagship" CD plus a "everyone together", not-as-slick double TAPE (ie much cheaper) with everyone? If everybody knew what everyone else was doing, people would be more willing to form "cliques" of music which would sit well together and do it themselves. Hey! Tape tree! Michael From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:31:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 15:26:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdOBC-0004nm-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:26:06 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A46@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Delightful Luups Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:21:38 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"7VC-EB.A.R9D.tkeh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1711 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:26:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 336fc212650370885eed7631a4bf1cf8 I've forgotten who's counting and gathering submissions - but please count me in on one of the loopy CD's ! David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:31:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 15:34:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdOJX-0005oL-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:34:43 -0800 Message-Id: <199712032325.PAA09569@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Delightful Luups Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:29:42 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LKqyr.A.igE.Oqeh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1712 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:34:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 50bb8ee0563dcdb76ca08adeb45913d5 > I've forgotten who's counting and gathering submissions - but please > count me in on one of the loopy CD's ! David, That person is me. I got your name! Matt From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:31:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 15:38:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdONb-0006Hb-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:38:55 -0800 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: CD Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:30:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23302569800971@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"PvSfdD.A.CIF.eveh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1713 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:38:55 -0800 X-UIDL: e48354913b357364c7dc3cc5c810cf04 I have only been able to follow all of this loosely (my boss just doesn't have her priorities straight like me!!) so apologies if this is a repeat but two more cents to consider: If you are considering doing more than one CD, you could do them on a regional basis. Have the loopers in each area organize, choose, each region gets a side of a double CD or their own or whatever. That way the work gets broken out to various people, the product is more effective in terms of promoting gigs, it might even be a vehicle to meet each other and perform together. Might be too involved but its a thought.... From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:31:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 16:27:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdP8t-0003DH-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:27:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:15:13 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971203191513_164709796@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. Resent-Message-ID: <"06PFVB.A.bWC._dfh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1714 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:27:47 -0800 X-UIDL: fa0c7fa0613fade0afa60d616be87398 Agreed. Diversity is needed on the project. From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 16:54:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdPYP-0005o1-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:54:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@rodan.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: HI ALL! , In-Reply-To: <971203105102_-971325974@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"XfHlLC.A.xuE.B2fh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1715 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:54:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 7bf09da8865ab6aa2192358dcb3d2287 In reply to the advise to get a PC instead of a Mac, I've got to laugh a little. As a former employee of a music store that sold both Mac and PC software, I found the PC much, much harder to configure and use than the Mac. I must admit that on the low end of things there is more software for the PC platform, but as a professional audio engineer (used to work for Laurie Anderson) I have never seen any pro audio production done on a PC. ProTools for the Mac is still the standard as far as I can tell. It's very pricey, but it is professional hardware/software, and that stuff is always pricey. Now for the fun part...Guess what? WINDOWS SUCKS! (every version of it) We use both at my current job, and it's unanimous: Macintosh operating system version is far, far more stable and easy to use than Windows 95. Another thing is that most better Macs come with very good 16bit sound cards that let you record directly to your hard disk AS YOU ARE LISTENING TO YOUR PREVIOUS SOUND TRACKS. To do this on a PC you need extra audio cards which drive the price of that cheep maching up. When I bought my Mac 2 years ago, I did a a/b price compair of Mac and name brand PC clones (not crap) and came up with only a $300 difference, and that was when Macs were much more expencive than they are now. Well worth is for the ease of use and reliability. Pretty soon there will be a version of the Mac OS that will blow everything away on the consumer market (Steve Jobs NextOS for the Mac) When that hits I think things may change a lot, as they already have a version that will run on intel pc machines. Good luck with your decision. Mark. From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 16:55:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdPZK-0005uT-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:55:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3485FD71.5C6A0D2E@ccnet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:46:41 -0800 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: CD #17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xLXtm.A.k4E.g3fh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1716 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:55:06 -0800 X-UIDL: c6d71c43319d2149dc7e2f10954c386e Hey...since we're queing up for future releases... pencil me in for CD #17....by then Oberheim should have EDP's on the shelves :~\ From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 17:57:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdQXQ-0003d3-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:57:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Mac vs PC = Intellectual Self-Abuse Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:48:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01bd0056$c0d4c940$a922dacf@sgoodman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"m6-qrD.A.-0C.Txgh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1717 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:57:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 61cbfb9a5f0c3bd44bf28e4f2ab91546 First off, as a person who not only has to purchase but support the hardware and software, much of it bought by the studio execs I work for who don't often know what they're buying, I have to finally toss in my experience regarding this stuff. Having worked with the PC since 1980, and the Mac since '85, I have to always make the decision based upon the questions of longevity, support, available parts, and maintenance before I start listening to the kind of religious fervor that this common (and tiresome) argument contains. In short, I have to select the best hardware/software combination for the job-at-hand; not because some salesman told me to, nor because the item-in-question is the only thing I know. I generally walk away from Mac vs. PC arguments since they're some of the most repetitive crap-throwing parties around. In this case, I have to put in an opinion before this turns into an unnecessary fire fight. First and foremost, a select group of companies - just like in the synth and instrument businesses - have held a singular hold at times on software/hardware solutions for audio/video. For some years it WAS the Mac in terms of a desktop solution on this level, but dem days has been gone for a bit. The Mac is very similar to its cousins on the SGI side in their ability to handle multimedia deftly early on in the 'game'; but also with respect to how one has to pay with blood and too much money to both get and keep it all running. The structure for support for the Mac is too proprietary to allow "just anyone" to learn about its maintenance; this began with the strict guidelines to require users to use only Apple Certified Technicians. After all, if anyone other than Apple started horning in on their game, they'd sue them out of existence, in the early days. PC users who've been working on networks only need look at Novell to see this same kind of tactic: $7000 for a four-day course, just to say you're 'certified', combined with a program structure that most folks couldn't figure out without purchasing yet more documentation from Novell. In the first place, proprietary structure is not only infeasible on a platform that's supposed to be accessible, it's marketing chicanery. As Xerox, alas, taught all too many MBAs in the 70s and 80s, they didn't sell the copier, they sold the service that copier was often engineered to need. Then the PC started emerging as The Business Machine (with the exceptions of semi-creative arenae like 'desktop publishing', audio recording, educational markets, and at the time graphics). The platform is not overpriced at the behest of its makers, parts are always available, and noone is restricted from learning more about it. It was an eventuality to grow that was unfortunately lost on those so embroiled in defending 'the computer for the rest of us' (hah!) that they lost their market share. PCs have gotten much faster and capable in the past 10 years. Macs no longer compete except on one level, and that's the "soft and fuzzy" image sold by millions of Mac Adherents world wide; this, alas, is also fluff, based more upon religious opinion than actual fact. As far as no 'professional' (what DOES that mean anymore?) audio production being done on a PC, most of the major vendors who pay attention to the market-at-hand have already introduced PC migrations some time ago. Given the inability with which Mac-borne programmers have demonstrated in writing ports of Mac software (remember QuickMail, anyone?), the majority of ports have been less-than-useable, only prompting the Mac users again to shout with glee, "See?? Shouda got a Mac!", which is just more sniping with the flavor of sour grapes, as they watch their platform lose its dominance. >ProTools for the Mac is still the standard as far as I can tell. >It's very pricey, but it is professional hardware/software, and that stuff >is always pricey. Which is another reason why people have been moving to the PC for some years now; PC software-hardware solutions are less- and less-pricey all the time, by design of the platform. Since everyone has access to the specifications for about as close to 'free' as you can get, there is an aspect of non-qualification that makes it possible for anyone to create software or hardware for the PC. This has led to more innovation and lower prices as a function of continuing innovation. The same has never been true on the Mac/SGI side. >Now for the fun part...Guess what? WINDOWS SUCKS! (every version of it) Ah, the animal reveals itself. Need I say more to this eloquent emission? >We use both at my current job, and it's unanimous: Macintosh operating >system version is far, far more stable and easy to use than Windows 95. Yes, after several years of troubleshooting the ill-borne System 7 it was actually able to load without locking your machine (though sometimes this wasn't evident, since a 'frowning face' can mean just about anything in addition to 'call a Mac technician'). >Another thing is that most better Macs come with very good 16bit sound >cards that let you record directly to your hard disk AS YOU ARE LISTENING >TO YOUR PREVIOUS SOUND TRACKS. To do this on a PC you need extra audio >cards which drive the price of that cheep maching up. Wrong, buffalo breath! There have been 32-bit duplex cards out for the PC for a few years now, and nowadays there are also multitracking packages for sale far under the inflated prices that the finite and unfortunately over-controlled Mac market sports. >When I bought my >Mac 2 years ago, I did a a/b price compair of Mac and name brand PC clones >(not crap) and came up with only a $300 difference, and that was when Macs >were much more expencive than they are now. Well worth is for the ease of >use and reliability. Stuff and nonsense. $300 is nothing compared to being able to share data with more people than just use your kind of computer. >Pretty soon there will be a version of the Mac OS that will blow >everything away on the consumer market (Steve Jobs NextOS for the Mac) >When that hits I think things may change a lot, as they already have a >version that will run on intel pc machines. We were hearing this about 4 years ago, and again, 8 years ago. And if the Mac was so superior, why did they have to work on a version (still enshrouded in smoke and marketing bs, and perhaps non-existent at this time) to work on the non-68000 platform? Think about it. People who don't want to be trapped into a support dependency cycle and know what they're buying don't buy Macs anymore. The folks at the studio I support have been replacing their formerly adored Macs for several years now, since there are much more reliable and cost-efficient solutions on the PC platform. And eventually, the law of diminishing returns will kick in even more than it has. And, finally, if you buy a PC you won't find yourself feeling like you need to embroil yourself in arguments defending, at this point, the indefensible, which, in this case, is a platform that made its contribution in its own time, but eventually will be seen to have fallen from an over-insulated perch. You'll just be using your PC, since, after all, you bought it to Use it, period. Some Tips: 1. Go to Windows NT for audio-video production. It appears that more applications of this kind are emerging for NT in particular. Windows as such is after all designed for a single-user machine/workstation. 2. Seriously consider the Cyrix 6x86 as opposed to Intel Pentium or the rest. The 6x86 chip they're making has far more ports through it than the Pentium or the Pentium II, and as such is less subject to any bottlenecks that may occur. And finally, I won't engage in any firefights on the above since it's a waste of time. It's like me saying "the sky is blue", and having to argue with shrill individuals who insist that, because it's not ALWAYS blue, my argument is invalid. I'm sure there are still uses for Macs out there, but it's not by any stretch of the imagination a standardized, dominant platform, as much as it's becoming a positive signpost of development of the home computer. History, that is. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 18:16:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdQq6-0005OF-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:16:30 -0800 Message-ID: <34861057.7C13@artnet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:07:19 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The 2nd CD project. References: <971201231436_45256534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C4iMBD.A.PTE.bChh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1718 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:16:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 14ea3a79ee1f17857560182488022ab3 ANET@aol.com wrote: > 3) A producer/project-manager would be appointed to "ride-heard". The > producer would solict submissions, weed them out and or put them up for a > vote. Contact and keep track of all the participants. Start time-lines on > project dates and report back to the group. Mix down the final cuts for > consistant sound quality on the CD, make contact with the submittors to > refine any flaws etc. etc. Contact the CD press and submit the DATs for > press. A cover would need to be designed as well. In short the producer will > do just about all the work. Please count me in on this list. I have had sporadic talks with Matt on this. I have loops to submit, and access to the technology to help in all aspects of the project. If people would like, I have acess to one of Hollywoods best studios for mixing (and would be happy to mix them myself) sequencing, and premastering. Almost no format too arcane. I also have a friend in Oregon who has a great mastering facility with rockin' package discounts for me on CD's. > Looks like there are about 9 solid respondants to this proposal so far. > 1)Kim, of course (you do play with these things you build don't you) > 2)Matt Mcabe who has volunteered as the Producer > 3)Michael Peters in Colonge, Germany who has some very nice samples set up. > 4)John Peters, Rochester, Minnesota Acoustic guitarist (27yrs) > 5)Randy Jones down there in Tejas 30 yr. guitarist > 6)Stefano in Italy. > 7)Mike Biffle > 8)Travis Harnett > 9)Siobhan Canty > Please forgive me if I misspelled anyone's name. Looks like a good mix. Keep me in mind - Eric R. Fischer Recording Engineer/Looper Los Angeles,Ca From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:36 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 18:15:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdQpE-0005Jg-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:15:36 -0800 Message-ID: <34861075.426@artnet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:07:49 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The 2nd CD project - Me Too! Me Too! References: <971201231436_45256534@mrin83.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nIrDtC.A.fXE.9Chh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1719 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:15:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 02cd871a5dfd926c374b219675c7bd9e ANET@aol.com wrote: > 3) A producer/project-manager would be appointed to "ride-heard". The > producer would solict submissions, weed them out and or put them up for a > vote. Contact and keep track of all the participants. Start time-lines on > project dates and report back to the group. Mix down the final cuts for > consistant sound quality on the CD, make contact with the submittors to > refine any flaws etc. etc. Contact the CD press and submit the DATs for > press. A cover would need to be designed as well. In short the producer will > do just about all the work. Please count me in on this list. I have had sporadic talks with Matt on this. I have loops to submit, and access to the technology to help in all aspects of the project. If people would like, I have acess to one of Hollywoods best studios for mixing (and would be happy to mix them myself) sequencing, and premastering. Almost no format too arcane. I also have a friend in Oregon who has a great mastering facility with rockin' package discounts for me on CD's. > Looks like there are about 9 solid respondants to this proposal so far. > 1)Kim, of course (you do play with these things you build don't you) > 2)Matt Mcabe who has volunteered as the Producer > 3)Michael Peters in Colonge, Germany who has some very nice samples set up. > 4)John Peters, Rochester, Minnesota Acoustic guitarist (27yrs) > 5)Randy Jones down there in Tejas 30 yr. guitarist > 6)Stefano in Italy. > 7)Mike Biffle > 8)Travis Harnett > 9)Siobhan Canty > Please forgive me if I misspelled anyone's name. Looks like a good mix. Keep me in mind - Eric R. Fischer Recording Engineer/Looper Los Angeles,Ca From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 18:26:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdQzS-0006Jd-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: <34861334.6FD7@artnet.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:19:33 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The 2nd CD project - $$$ References: <199712021733.JAA14652@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sFud9B.A.peF.1Nhh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1720 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:26:10 -0800 X-UIDL: f8e40bbc1bab602ab1fa9f955e3b20d2 My first quote from my pal is @ $1,300.00 for 1000 CD's. From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:42 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 18:44:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdRGs-00003b-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:44:10 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971204023821.00d622b8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:38:21 -0800 To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Mac vs PC = Intellectual Self-Abuse Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <"UY_gL.A.t7G.Wehh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1721 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:44:10 -0800 X-UIDL: d08946c0c65ed2fe694ce40320bac4dd For someone who doesn't like wasting time on pc vs mac arguments, you sure have a lot to say! At 05:48 PM 12/3/97 -0800, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >I generally walk away from Mac vs. PC arguments since they're some of the >most repetitive crap-throwing parties around. I think we can all agree on this point. If anyone else has anything else to say on the subject that is unrelated to looping, please consider going somewhere else, like alt.pc.vs.mac.oh-god-not-this-again. thanks, kim (who gets paid nicely to design multi-media pc's and still won't use one at home....:-) ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:32:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 3 19:52:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdSLO-00056d-00; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:52:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971203193802.006d69c8@mail.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@mail.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:38:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JT Subject: Re: Mac vs PC = Intellectual Self-Abuse In-Reply-To: <01bd0056$c0d4c940$a922dacf@sgoodman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AHAzlD.A.-SE.deih0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1723 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:52:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a7204c5dbb13c1079aea95be11803a8 Disclaimer: not a platform war, just adding some info. >We were hearing this about 4 years ago, and again, 8 years ago. And if the >Mac was so superior, why did they have to work on a version (still >enshrouded in smoke and marketing bs, and perhaps non-existent at this time) >to work on the non-68000 platform? NEXTSTEP has been available for the Intel platform since the pre-Pentium days. Also, NeXT was working on a PowerPC version that ran on exisiting Mac hardware a few years ago. Knowing that, Apple's decision to buy NeXT becomes a bit more obvious. ;) Porting NEXTSTEP to PowerPC isn't an issue. Porting it to Intel isn't an issue. What they've been focusing on is the transition. JT From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:33:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 01:40:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdXlW-0003i1-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:40:14 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971204093548.00a352bc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 01:35:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs Resent-Message-ID: <"omSM9C.A.xMD.vlnh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1725 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:40:14 -0800 X-UIDL: a7bddda3194dbe9cb1dd793d3195e359 At 05:58 PM 12/3/97 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Just a few ideas on the idea of The Loopers-Delight CD Series. > >1. Why not try to loosely follow themes for each CD? For example: > by nation or > by instrument or > by genre or > by season my only reservation with this idea has to do with the sort of problems the Looper's Delight list has run into as things have grown. Diversity does not come easily anywhere, and we are not an exception. Since LD was initially popularized in a narrow range of places, at first there were disproportionate numbers of people from very particular stylistic backgrounds. I was never very happy with this, since I was keenly aware from my own experiences developing the tools that a much wider range of people were interested and using these techniques in their music. An unfortunate group dynamic tended to happen then, whereby looping tended to be equated with those couple of styles that were heavily represented. During those times, quite a few people from different backgrounds happened upon us by chance, joined the list with excitement, did not feel very comfortable or welcome, and quickly left. I think that was very unfortunate, since some of them were quite interesting and could have shared with us much more than we had on our own. As time has passed this has gradually changed. Maybe we've matured a bit and are more accepting of the different sorts of loopers, or maybe it's just entropy. But gradually our little microcosm has become a bit more representative of the looping universe, and I for one have been enjoying that a lot. I think we gain much from those with different experiences than our own, and I hope we can continue to grow in that direction. So with the CDs, I rather hope they are not too stylistically thematic at first. I would rather not see us once again imparting the impression that Looping is one particular type of music. First impressions matter, and I'm afraid that if the first cd was all one sort of thing, we would once again be biasing the definition of Looping towards that, and once again alienating anyone else who should happen to come across our little community here. So my feeling is, let's have some great music, and let it spread wide and show some of our differences! Sure it might not be a perfectly consistent thing, but so what? I *like* albums that go different places! We might even get some of the people with more dj/remixing experience to help sequence tracks in a nice way, and get them to flow together creatively. That could be fun by itself. In the long run, themes should be pursued, because that idea has a lot of merit too. But showing off our diversity would be a great way to start, IMO. >2. If multiple CD's are created (with themes or not) - maybe a common >look/logo may be useful to tie them together?? Well, how about the Looper's Delight logo that Tom Attix brilliantly created for us? I think that would look splendid on a CD cover! This is going to be fun...I'm really looking forward to buying a stack o'cds to give out to all sorts of people I know. keep the thing moving! kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 08:29:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xde9w-0000ct-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:29:52 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786D3@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looper CD Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:07:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Yi6xM.A.cJH.Khth0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:29:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b0a5efa08939630c8cdf47c3bbc8f40 To any one interested in purchasing a PC or MAC for audio I suggest that you lurk on the two following email lists, gather up some questions and ask them of the people who are using these machines day in and day out: To subscribe to the PC-DAW-digest send a message with "subscribe pc-daw-digest" in the body of the message to majordomo@missionrec.com To subscribe to the mac-daw-digest point your browser to http://www.daw-mac.com where you will find subscription information. I strongly suggest using the digest versions of these lists as they are fairly high in the volume of posts. Best regards, Greg From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 08:45:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdeP0-0002KF-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:45:26 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786D6@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: PC vs. Mac Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:34:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ycFUZB.A.kLB.cwth0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:45:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 5629d7df685f4cafb195032ded74310e I am very sorry for posting this with the wrong subject line. In the possibility that it might be overlooked by the person who initially brought the issue up I am posting it again with the proper subject line. My apologies if this repost offends anyone. > To any one interested in purchasing a PC or MAC for audio I suggest > that > you lurk on the two following email lists, gather up some questions > and > ask them of the people who are using these machines day in and day > out: > To subscribe to the PC-DAW-digest send a message with "subscribe > pc-daw-digest" in the body of the message to majordomo@missionrec.com > > To subscribe to the mac-daw-digest point your browser to > http://www.daw-mac.com where you will find subscription information. > > I strongly suggest using the digest versions of these lists as they > are > fairly high in the volume of posts. > > Best regards, > > Greg > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 08:49:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdeSQ-0002kr-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:48:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:44:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000AF38A.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Oh good - another list; and a tape for Euroloopers? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"E8Oxq.A.siB.dzth0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:48:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b8bfd4048d4de2382e6c6db87853c01 I realise this in now so far behind the times it wont even qualify as fashionably late, but... Just bought the new CD by Gabriela, "detras del sol", featuring Bill Frissel, with yet another reworking of "Rambler" - very wonderful. Otherwise: this week, I have mostly been listening to: Jan Garbarek/Hilliard Ensemble - "Officium" (and I get to *see* 'em tomorrow, too) Steve Tibbetts - "Northern Song"; and "Cho" (with Choying Drolma) Paul Motian Trio - "Sound of Love" Martin Simpson/Wu Man - "Music for the motherless child" David Toop - "Screen ceremonies" and "Spirit World" Various - "Guitar on Mars" Brian Eno - "Ambient 1" and "4" Kronos Quartet - "Early Music" If anyone else is interested in a tape-based project, then I'd support Michael's ideas on this. May be easier to compile for European loopers? David From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 08:53:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdeWX-0003Ff-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:53:13 -0800 X-Sender: dchapman@mail.seiniger.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Dan Chapman Subject: vortex? Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:51:10 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <"lGIbdB.A.65B.Z2th0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:53:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a5ff95dea06cd1687ca2aa0897fcf46 Hi! I'm new to this list and would like to hear from anyone with experience with the Lexicon Vortex. I recently sold my two LXP1s and bought two used Alexs to replace them, but I'm also now considering a Vortex. I play synth, harmonica and vocals to write songs in my home recording setup. I've heard it demoed on guitar and it sounds great, but I don't play guitar. Anybody with experience with it on vocals, synth etc.? Thanks in advance. Dan From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 09:13:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdeqW-0005F1-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:13:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:06:09 -0500 (EST) From: KULTBOX@aol.com Message-ID: <971204120608_1215622822@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: for sale VORTEX Resent-Message-ID: <"VtGHZ.A.ISE.ANuh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1730 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:13:52 -0800 X-UIDL: dd5dbefe60dec17e46110125077e4153 mint with pedal. best offer. im in chicago From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 09:56:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdfVh-0001pb-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:56:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: LOLOREC@aol.com Message-ID: <971204124531_-462109930@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Steinberger for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"D_HCmC.A.qs._xuh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1732 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:56:25 -0800 X-UIDL: af193b95213d964751b97427fbe39c30 Red, double cutaway stlye Steinberger with 1 humbucker and 2 single coil EMGs for sale @$825. This guitar was used on both Gongzilla releases "Suffer' and "Thrive" plus both of my solo releases, BON "To The Bone" and "Full Circle/Coming Home" and other releases. Also have an Ibanez AE 60S acoustic/electric for $425. This guitar was used on both PROJECT LO releases "Dabblings In Darkness" and "Black Canvas". For more info contact Bon Lozaga lolorec@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:37:01 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 10:06:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdffb-0002s7-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:06:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:00:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712041800.NAA06588@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: PC vs. Mac Joke Resent-Message-ID: <"z-FGRD.A.BGC.u-uh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1733 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:06:39 -0800 X-UIDL: dad869477028c15cd0b58a4911bd673a Remember, Macs are not very PC. (ouch!!) -andre From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:37:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 10:23:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdfvq-0004ew-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:23:26 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:14:05 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Chew on this Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Bfs5KD.A.dcD.-Lvh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1734 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:23:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 33f086f7efa0e3193f2e316b03b1d4f6 Here's a little quote from the Chemical Brothers off of Wired News (www.wired.com/news). It states my side of the whole sampling question pretty nicely... Of course, sampling other records, and even yourself, is nothing new, and the Chemical Brothers are certainly not the only band doing it. So, what happens when the tables are turned and others try to copy them? "If we get asked to do a soundtrack for an advertisement or film and we say no, they will just get some programmer to replicate our sound. It's made to be similar, they've taken the sounds and analyzed it, but it will never be good music without feeling or care," says Rowlands. "It's like some people go out and buy a certain guitar thinking that they can play it, and it's the same with computers and samplers. But you can't make the same music, it's not music without the emotion behind it.... You can't copy a feel, you can't sample emotion." -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:37:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 10:28:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdg0O-0005BK-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:28:08 -0800 Message-ID: <002201bd00e0$a9f19ca0$123bd4cc@LocalHost> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: PC vs. Mac Joke Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:15:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.2038.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2039.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"YBRmmC.A.35D.VQvh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1735 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:28:08 -0800 X-UIDL: adc98911c48742a851da3486afd712da [Throwing day-old pastry] :) From: andre >Remember, Macs are not very PC. > >(ouch!!) > >-andre From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 04:33:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 01:13:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdXLd-0002SM-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:13:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971204104207.092f1150@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:42:07 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: CD In-Reply-To: <23302569800971@cfpa.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Fox9UC.A.j_B.XMnh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1724 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:13:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 82d4b91bb38676b05a19967d6e4f06a2 Siobhan: >If you are considering doing more than one CD, you could do them on a >regional basis. Have the loopers in each area organize, choose, each >region gets a side of a double CD or their own or whatever. That way the >work gets broken out to various people, the product is more effective in >terms of promoting gigs, it might even be a vehicle to meet each other and >perform together. Might be too involved but its a thought.... This could be cool - FE we have enough European loopers on LD to make a go of it. I guess the US would spit into vaguely East/West lines, and so forth. (Matthias will probably get most of the S. America disc to himself!) I still think that in the short term, a tape tree is the way to go. From ???@??? Thu Dec 04 11:36:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 09:22:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdeyT-0006An-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 4 Dec 1997 11:08:05 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS:tc 2290 $1600 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"P9XuW.A.g8E.fTuh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1731 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:22:05 -0800 X-UIDL: d8ea769cbe8e74bf2bb080d24a2cff2e Just in case you have 16 large that aren't working too hard: FS: t.c. electronic 2290 Asking Price: US$1600 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: t.c. electronic 2290 delay, 4/8 sec. memory, includeds t.c.s 0050 5 function programmable footpedal, Absolute Mint in Box $1600.00,plus shipping. Serious Inquires Only Please Seller: Michael Mottsey, 914-336-4864 E-mail: mamsound@aol.com Location: GARDINER, NY Post Date: 12/4/97 From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:11:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 14:45:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdk1d-00063K-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:45:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:45:01 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712041545_MC2-2AB8-6224@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"UTl1hB.A.LtE.qBzh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1737 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:45:41 -0800 X-UIDL: c01ae8052eb8742cdc565b500f928918 >Well, how about the Looper's Delight logo that >Tom Attix brilliantly created for us? >I think that would look splendid on a CD cover! yes, that was my first idea too. Maybe the CD should also carry a number - "Looper's Delight Vol. 1" (or #2, if Ray Peck manages to finish our first CD attempt first), making it clear >from the start that there is more to come. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:11:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 14:45:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdk1Y-00062e-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:45:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:45:04 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: a tape for Euroloopers? Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712041545_MC2-2AB8-6225@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"oHBZ6D.A.yrE.hBzh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1736 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 14:45:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 056d68162abb5e13b355076e4b7877cd David Orton sez, >May be easier to compile for European loopers? There are certainly enough European loopers among us, but compiling a European CD wouldn't be *easier* than doing an American/European compilation. (Any people from other continents? I think we have one looper >from Japan ...) I think this idea is ok, but maybe we should try to *start* with a compilation that contains a maximum of diversity, as Kim suggests. Then if more projects follow, one theme could be loops from different regions ... although I doubt that it would make any sense musically. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:11:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 15:11:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdkQi-0000iK-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:11:36 -0800 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC56BAA3@sf-01-msg.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:06:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"hz7s0C.A.cE.pczh0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1738 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:11:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 31b76c86268f042238d0fecd4dd32c60 If you want to use the logo, I'll need to make a higher resolution version of it. Unfortunately, when I did the original, I didn't think it might be used in print (I did it at 72 dpi). So let me know, I'd be happy to do it. -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [SMTP:MPeters@compuserve.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 2:45 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs > > >Well, how about the Looper's Delight logo that > >Tom Attix brilliantly created for us? > >I think that would look splendid on a CD cover! > > yes, that was my first idea too. > > Maybe the CD should also carry a number - "Looper's Delight Vol. 1" (or > #2, > if Ray Peck manages to finish our first CD attempt first), making it clear > from the start that there is more to come. > > ___________ > Michael Peters > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters > HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm > From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:12:09 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 18:14:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdnHl-0001Jj-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:14:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:07:50 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: marathon@pop3.joshuanet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Looper's Delight" From: Marathon Records Subject: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word Resent-Message-ID: <"-LWpq.A.eh.nG2h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1739 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:14:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 930674f303958b4db9feeabb9b6e2642 Greetings all! Matt McCabe, your friendly neighborhood CD coordinator, here. If you did *not* receive an email from me entitled "the Looper CD details are here!!!" according to my records you are *not* interested in participating. If you are interested, email me ASAP!! I'll only be posting occassional updates about the project to this list from now on. Feel feel to check out the following web page for information on what this project is all about. If you don't have web access let me know and I'll email you a copy. http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Marathon Records Finley Sound Design http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:12:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 4 22:47:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdrY1-0004px-00; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3487A22B.C58@e-z.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 22:41:47 -0800 From: doug pieren Reply-To: quail@e-z.net Organization: quail teeth productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-7cJWC.A.R_D.CI6h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1740 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:47:37 -0800 X-UIDL: b67641c3ac665c4823b75240808143c4 Marathon Records wrote: > > Greetings all! > > Matt McCabe, your friendly neighborhood CD coordinator, here. > > If you did *not* receive an email from me entitled "the Looper CD details > are here!!!" according to my records you are *not* interested in > participating. If you are interested, email me ASAP!! I'll only be > posting occassional updates about the project to this list from now on. > > Feel feel to check out the following web page for information on what this > project is all about. If you don't have web access let me know and I'll > email you a copy. > > http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html > > Matt > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Matt McCabe > Marathon Records > Finley Sound Design > http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon > > Hello - My name is Doug and I am new to LD. I've been reading all this e-mail from you guys w/ interest. Please add me to your list of possible contributors to the CD project. I am primarily a synthesist/electronic musician. I often mix in some electric guitar and/or ethnic percussion flavors with my music. A lot of the stuff I do involves some degree of looping, which I accomplish thru synth programming, delays, sequencing and hard disk recording. A couple of years ago, I participated in a compilation CD of ambient/electronic music composed by artists from the Pacific Northwest. Each of us contributed $200 and got 20 CD's. I got 2 tracks on the CD.I believe 1000 of them were made and all or nearly all sold. The project was concieved by one of the artists, who put up most of the $ and got half of the CD's. He called for submissions and picked the trax he liked best. He was overwhelmed with submissions. The whole thing was a lot of fun for me and I still get a kick out of the fact that some of my music is on it. As a newcomer, I don't want to overstep my bounds, and it certainly sounds like this group is abundantly populated with talented artists, technicians and even a couple of comedians. But since I did got thru this experience, Here are acouple of things you might consider as the project develops: 1) Set some parameters for the contributors in terms of length, format, recording quality, etc. and be prepared to reject those that don't meet them. 2) You can reduce your costs by doing your own artwork - sounds like you have some loopers with such talents. 3) You might want to consider drafting some type of agreement for participants to sign which spells out how things are going to work. While this may be very unpopular with some, it really helps to avoid misunderstandings and bad feelings down the road. I work as a contracts administrator and put something together for the above project and would be willing to do the same here if you want to go in that direction. 4) Professional mastering is very important. I believe one looper indicated he had the tools and expertise to do this - if possible it would be a good idea to take him up on his offer. I know you've touched on most of this before, but I just wanted to get in my 2 cents worth (and introduce myself). Thanks From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:12:45 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 00:47:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdtPm-0003g6-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:47:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@rodan.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mac vs PC = Intellectual Self-Abuse In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971204023821.00d622b8@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ioGNUB.A.JJD.H77h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1743 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:47:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ce34629f3e317301b4f609cd7e48e75 Yeah-yee Kim! Way to go. Your my hero! Marry me? (just kidding) Mark Sottilaro (just getting done from an 18 hr Mac/Avid editing session) On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > For someone who doesn't like wasting time on pc vs mac arguments, you sure > have a lot to say! > > At 05:48 PM 12/3/97 -0800, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: > >I generally walk away from Mac vs. PC arguments since they're some of the > >most repetitive crap-throwing parties around. > > I think we can all agree on this point. If anyone else has anything else to > say on the subject that is unrelated to looping, please consider going > somewhere else, like alt.pc.vs.mac.oh-god-not-this-again. > > thanks, > > kim > (who gets paid nicely to design multi-media pc's and still won't use one at > home....:-) > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:12:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 00:44:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdtNW-0003Rp-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:44:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:45:13 +0000 Message-ID: <000AF9C4.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: A tape for Euroloopers? (or indeed the world) To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"X4KGhD.A.E5C.K47h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1742 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:44:54 -0800 X-UIDL: df4cd4be5b600336261ac1a5e110d225 I think my real emphasis is on a tape (cassette) compilation as opposed to a CD - the regional thing is secondary. This is partly to cut-down on fuss and finance. Rates of exchange, bank charges on cheques, etc get a bit complex for cross border transactions. Plus there must/may be those who'd like to exchange music, but can't stump-up $200 (or whatever). Instead, contributors send 10 mins (for eg) of their material, plus a blank C90 to a compiler (could be me) and a few bob for P&P. I'd be interested in this low-budget approach if anyone else is - or perhaps we would just continue to trade tapes individually, so its not really necessary? I'll get me coat... David ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: a tape for Euroloopers? Author: Michael Peters at Internet Date: 04/12/97 15:45 David Orton sez, >May be easier to compile for European loopers? There are certainly enough European loopers among us, but compiling a European CD wouldn't be *easier* than doing an American/European compilation. (Any people from other continents? I think we have one looper from Japan ...) I think this idea is ok, but maybe we should try to *start* with a compilation that contains a maximum of diversity, as Kim suggests. Then if more projects follow, one theme could be loops from different regions ... although I doubt that it would make any sense musically. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 10:29:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 03:14:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdvhp-0002VL-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:14:01 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19971204023821.00d622b8@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:36:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Mac vs PC = Intellectual Self-Abuse Resent-Message-ID: <"VCADzC.A.X8B.LD-h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1744 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:14:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 95f96330741f1ddd2636651068231a67 At 3:43 AM -0500 12/5/97, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Yeah-yee Kim! > >Way to go. Your my hero! Marry me? (just kidding) hey big boy, that's not legal where I live. But I hear they're workin' on it in Hawaii, and I always wanted to live there....;-) kim >Mark Sottilaro (just getting done from an 18 hr Mac/Avid editing session) > >On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > >> For someone who doesn't like wasting time on pc vs mac arguments, you sure >> have a lot to say! >> >> At 05:48 PM 12/3/97 -0800, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >> >I generally walk away from Mac vs. PC arguments since they're some of the >> >most repetitive crap-throwing parties around. >> >> I think we can all agree on this point. If anyone else has anything else to >> say on the subject that is unrelated to looping, please consider going >> somewhere else, like alt.pc.vs.mac.oh-god-not-this-again. >> >> thanks, >> >> kim >> (who gets paid nicely to design multi-media pc's and still won't use one at >> home....:-) >> ________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >> Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >> Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 10:29:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 03:14:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdviC-0002Y0-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:14:24 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3487A22B.C58@e-z.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:02:56 -0800 To: quail@e-z.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word Resent-Message-ID: <"_S3Q9B.A.e9B.RD-h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1745 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:14:24 -0800 X-UIDL: d6f3c976b703f31477cb3a66c567a9de At 10:41 PM -0800 12/4/97, doug pieren wrote: >You might want to consider drafting some type of agreement for >participants to sign which spells out how things are going to work. >While this may be very unpopular with some, it really helps to avoid >misunderstandings and bad feelings down the road. I work as a contracts >administrator and put something together for the above project and would >be willing to do the same here if you want to go in that direction. Oh, yes! excellent. I was going to say something similar. It occurs to me that if each of the 10 or so people on a given cd project have a quantity of cds they are trying to sell, and the primary market for these is probably all of the other people on the Looper's Delight list, we'll have some serious competition! There'll be price wars, dirty sales tricks, mergers and acquisitions. Horrors! So I had this idea: Each cd project could be considered a partnership. The participants pay some set amount of money which buys them an interest in the partnership and capitalizes the project. Additional partners would be the person contributing their services for production, and the Looper's Delight site itself which contributes its name and reputation and facilitates it all. When the cd is made, each partner gets some smaller number of free cds than has been proposed so far, and the rest are sold from a single vendor. (the Marathon records website appears like a good way) Proceeds from the sales are then divided among the partners equally, hopefully paying back their investment and making them a little extra. This way, everyone profits equally from the sales, there is no confusion about what to do if more or less cds are sold, and all can happily work together to promote and encourage sales of the cd. I guess the number of free cds for each participant could be areed upon by the partnership. So your contract experience could come in very handy for drafting some standard partnership contract for these projects. And it's suddenly dawning on me that Looper's Delight may have to become something more than just a name on a website if it is going to be receiving money, or I'll be getting a bit more friendly with the local IRS agents than I care to! hmmmmm..... So what do you think, would this be a useful idea? It seems like a more appropriate and legit business approach for this. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 10:29:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 09:53:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe1wJ-0002oU-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:53:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199712051738.JAA35258@scv4.apple.com> Subject: RE: a tape for Euroloopers? Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 11:37:51 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"fdpZND.A.zuB.71Di0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1746 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:53:23 -0800 X-UIDL: c5d040b0e34f8edb6fe609e42f2deca4 >...but of course it would! Look at the musical success of the Eurovision >Song Contest! > >(This is a joke that non-europeans may not get) On the plus side, it gave us ABBA. On the minus side, everything else was jaw-dropping crap. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 02:12:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 00:18:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xdsyG-0001zX-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:18:48 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971205095150.30671996@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 09:51:50 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: RE: a tape for Euroloopers? In-Reply-To: <199712041545_MC2-2AB8-6225@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FvRO3D.A.zhB.Uf7h0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1741 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:18:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 324ebb2cb144b5db034dbd0f53ae54cd >I think this idea is ok, but maybe we should try to *start* with a >compilation that contains a maximum of diversity, as Kim suggests. Then if >more projects follow, one theme could be loops from different regions ... >although I doubt that it would make any sense musically. ...but of course it would! Look at the musical success of the Eurovision Song Contest! (This is a joke that non-europeans may not get) Michael "Norvege - nul points" :) From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 10:29:58 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 10:16:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe2IN-00056L-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:16:11 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD017F.50D5B8A0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Loop Length Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:11:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"uJ4hlB.A.c_D.PMEi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1747 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:16:11 -0800 X-UIDL: a330bf17ab17526558d9d602e33aafcc This may sound like a silly question since the trend is toward longer looping times, but what is your favorite length of loop? I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. Occasionally, I find extremely short loops (under 500 milliseconds) to be fun, too. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 10:51:17 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 10:43:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe2iN-00006V-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:43:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:29:29 -0800 Message-ID: <00058CDD.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Loop Length To: "'Loopers Delight'" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"2GSoOB.A.wgG.okEi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1748 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:43:03 -0800 X-UIDL: eaf9904f263374f96daf731bcd4fb981 I usually end up with something in the 4 bar / 16 beat range. That is probably around the same 7-12 second range you state. When I'm in delay mode is where I really get into longer time values. BTW, I'm a 32 sec JamMan user. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Loop Length Author: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) at INTERNET Date: 12/5/97 1:11 PM This may sound like a silly question since the trend is toward longer looping times, but what is your favorite length of loop? I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. Occasionally, I find extremely short loops (under 500 milliseconds) to be fun, too. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 05 11:49:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 11:03:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe31g-0002CP-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:03:00 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:47:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Michael Hedges Resent-Message-ID: <"XHiK0.A.89.91Ei0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1749 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:03:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a89848ed968964c09519ae3e0ae73da Not exactly about looping, but I heard yesterday that Michael Hedges was killed in a car accident a few days ago and thought some of you might want to know. Tragic....he was only 43. His music had a big influence upon me once upon a time; caused me to see my instrument as filled with possibilities I had never imagined before. I never did see him play live.....and I never had and idea how he played most of the stuff he did. It seemed very technically difficult, but it never stopped being great music. If you've got one of his albums, pull it out and give it a listen. I've got _Live on the Double Planet_ on now..... kim Windham Hill Artist Michael Hedges Killed in Auto Accident 09:04 a.m. Dec 04, 1997 Eastern BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Dec. 4, 1997-- Windham Hill Records' solo guitarist Michael Hedges was killed at age 43 in an automobile accident over the weekend. The car was found yesterday by authorities off Highway 128 near the town of Boonville, Calif., outside of Mendocino, Calif. The accident is currently under investigation. Hedges was born in Sacramento, Calif. and grew up in Oklahoma. He last resided in Mendocino. He is survived by his mother, Ruth Ipsen, of Fresno, Calif., a sister, Carol Hedges of San Francisco, two brothers, Craig Hedges of Los Angeles and Brendan Hedges of Madera, Calif., and two sons, Mischa, 11, and Jasper, 13 of Mendocino. Respected worldwide for his pioneering solo guitar technique, Hedges joined the label in 1980, releasing his first record, "Breakfast in the Fields," in 1981. Subsequent releases included the Grammy-nominated "Aerial Boundaries" (1984), "Taproot" (also nominated for a Grammy in 1990) and Oracle (1996). His final recording, an acoustic composition titled "Java Man," will appear on an upcoming Windham Hill compilation titled "The Sounds of Wood & Steel" on Jan. 27, 1998. The family requests that donations be sent directly to "Children of Michael Hedges," c/o Bank of America, 228 N. Main Street, Ft. Bragg, Calif. 95437 (See also: http://www.businesswire.com) Copyright 1997, Business Wire ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:46 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 11:22:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xePnv-000591-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:22:19 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Loop Length Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:14:03 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd01b1$f34582a0$1b3163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"G3RYtD.A.DhE.uTai0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1761 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:22:19 -0800 X-UIDL: bfdc5df682e0557f8253004ed740cf95 Hello David, et al. Would you mind giving explicit, sequetial steps in actually doing this so that another might try it? I'm standing here staring at the front panel of the EDP with my guitar in hand... Anyone else with some very specific guidelines for doing something cool on the EDP? I'll save the posts for future requests. Thanks, Technoslow, Randy Jones Randy -----Original Message----- From: David Myers To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Loop Length >>>I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times >>when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. >> >>I concur with this. I think the main reason for updating to 32 secs wasn't >>sor 32-sec loops, but to allow me to do shorter loops without fear of >>running out of time. >> >>Michael > >With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and >then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide >the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One >of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. > >David > > > > From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 02:23:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 13:10:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe50y-0000ae-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:10:24 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <32da73b9.34886695@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:34:55 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"NXE_5.A.-0G.usGi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1750 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:10:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 0864f570e90cbe46553ce3381ce8eb8f wow, that really sucks!! =-( PJ From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 02:23:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 13:17:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe57o-0001KR-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:17:28 -0800 Message-ID: <003c01bd01be$ddc79320$f33bd4cc@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Loop Length Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:46:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"oBGG4B.A.YL.dzGi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1751 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:17:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 5636ebb45594d426d7d8219b6d940f12 From: Mark Kata asked: >This may sound like a silly question since the trend is toward longer looping times, but what is your favorite length of loop? I vary between 3-7.6 seconds as my usual base, since that's the comfort zone my Digitech unit has (a limit of 7.6 seconds, obviously). I can also utilize delays in my QuadraVerb+ to give a spatial illusion of sorts, and give the impression of varying loop length. In cases where I've had a yen for longer times, I capture it into a .WAV file and multi-track it with CoolEdit Pro, using either the Loop Duplicate and/or live input, then putting tracks on top of that. Lately I've been working on a series of pieces that are on average 3-5 minutes in length, that are useable in a variety of textures.... One of them is on my *new* tape [nudge, nudge, wink, wink], and entitled "Happy Pants". Other samples from the work may be found at my Studios page, URL'ed below. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 02:24:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 13:55:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe5ip-00050D-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:55:43 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Fri Dec 05 13:55:38 1997 Received: from nyfac.drumsisdn.net [206.133.60.162] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe5id-0004yi-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:55:31 -0800 Received: from nyfac (nyfac.drumsisdn.net [206.133.60.162]) by nyfac.drumsisdn.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA01703 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: <34887C6A.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:12:58 -0500 From: nyfac2 Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Corrrect address for GC manual References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:55:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b6490f13c5e262dd0e91a6613ff8fbb Patrick Smith wrote: > > That's steevmg@aol.com. > > Thanks for you patience, > > P. > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > Patrick Smith wrote: > > A friend of mine has picked up a used Ground Control and needs a manual. > Any one wishing to photocopy one for him contact Steev Geest: steev@aol.com > > Many thanks, > > Patrick > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > Steev- I have one around somewhere, if you still need it. I can fax or scan&mail them to you. Trevor From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 02:24:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 16:07:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe7mT-0002Te-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:07:37 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A52@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Mike.Biffle@wj.com'" , 'Loopers Delight' , Mark@asisoftware.com Subject: RE: Loop Length Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:11:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"jz9CtB.A.MbB.kUJi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:07:37 -0800 X-UIDL: c0ce738306f391b6f042b5a80850d087 Interesting question! I have also found my phrasing naturally starts loops of about 7-15 seconds generally. However, I also purposely start loops of 20-60 seconds just to really create some space. On the other extreme, I play a game to see how short is the shortest loop I can build from - Multiplying these "micro-loops" can be quite interesting. -----Original Message----- From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com [SMTP:Mike.Biffle@wj.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 1:29 PM To: 'Loopers Delight'; Mike.Biffle@wj.com; Mark@asisoftware.com Subject: Re: Loop Length I usually end up with something in the 4 bar / 16 beat range. That is probably around the same 7-12 second range you state. When I'm in delay mode is where I really get into longer time values. BTW, I'm a 32 sec JamMan user. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Loop Length Author: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) at INTERNET Date: 12/5/97 1:11 PM This may sound like a silly question since the trend is toward longer looping times, but what is your favorite length of loop? I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. Occasionally, I find extremely short loops (under 500 milliseconds) to be fun, too. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 02:24:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 5 14:10:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xe5x1-0006Yo-00; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:10:23 -0800 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199712052152.AA073378756@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Re: Michael Hedges To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:52:36 -0700 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Dec 5, 97 10:47:55 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"HmSje.A.pJF.9lHi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1752 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:10:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 36c058861323ddc23498b9012d849454 I would suggest anyonewho feels the need to express direct your browsers to http://www.nomadland.com THere are some beautiful postings on the discussion group. sigh. -- Kevin Simonson Computer Science Graduate Program University of Illinois - Springfield simonson@uis.edu "Knock loudly, they just installed new padding..." 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Sat Dec 06 02:24:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 00:41:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeFnb-0007iN-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:41:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 03:37:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712060837.DAA29215@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Resent-Message-ID: <"D34SPD.A.MAH.r7Qi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:41:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 9049e29d5fbefbffc42c2e2f90b51a41 Thanks, Kim.. i had the sad, yet impossible now to forget , experience of seeing Micheal's last show, last sunday night at the club bene in sayreville nj... he played an amazing show, having seen him 6-8 times over the last dozen or so years. i remember marveling still at him devasting technique, which he delivered with total ease and calm..cracking jokes between every few songs. he also goofed around, using a manikin's head as a holder for his headphone mic.. and bouncing around on a kid's giant play ball. he would take a set break, do yoga, and come back energized and kickin' i'll never forget this show, i'm gonna write the whole experience down one day, esp. the cool converstaion i had with him and other fans post show. he would always come out and rap, sign , just hang out with fans/friends.. please check out his music if you never has. he was the human loop machine. andre' From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 02:24:37 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 02:18:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeHJQ-00031d-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 02:18:16 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 05:07:50 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: a tape for Euroloopers? Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712060507_MC2-2AF5-C557@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"YskPRD.A.GrC.0WSi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1756 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 02:18:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b57a86021e80252e403efcfd9a36a34 >>although I doubt that it would make any sense musically. >...but of course it would! Look at the musical >success of the Eurovision Song Contest! >(This is a joke that non-europeans may not get) >"Norvege - nul points" :) ROFL! ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:47 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 11:24:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xePpa-0005Jo-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:24:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 05:07:52 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712060507_MC2-2AF5-C558@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"aWzgJB.A.HqE.6Vai0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1762 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:24:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ef6d65dab73b324f3fbbd9947d306a1 >When the cd is made, each partner gets some smaller number >of free cds than has been proposed so far, and the rest >are sold from a single vendor. yeah, sounds good. I don't need 30 copies of a CD which carries one of my pieces, 5 or 10 copies would be really ok for me. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 07:10:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeLsb-0001m7-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:10:53 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <5bbd93a0.348968d0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 10:01:33 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word and contracts Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"9RSTfC.A.jdB.DoWi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1758 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:10:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 06d297a6c8f26a503bbedb29c54f86c7 Kim; I'm not a business major, but basically there are different types of business partnerships. One is known as an S-Corp. where people get together and sign some papers which state they are now in business as whatever. It requires a filing at the state level and identifies the people and assumed business name. From there tax ids and other stuff is required. Contracts are very important for this effort. If people do not have a clear vision of what is owed them based on their contributions and someone starts making a whole bunch of moola on it, get ready to find a chat room for fighting legal battles. So, two issues which you may want to investigate would be the contracts for the producers to issue to the contributors, and then what you need to do to incorporate so that your corporation is liable and not you. Hey, I am not a lawyer and don't know this stuff, but at some point, this is a necessary step. Thanks; John Peters (ANET@AOL.COM) From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 09:35:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeO8i-0007hl-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:35:40 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971206153838.0c27d93e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <01BD017F.50D5B8A0@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:31:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Loop Length Resent-Message-ID: <"fCSNH.A.14G.RvYi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1760 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:35:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 03f15461227916eba094bd1cc33c87de >>I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times >when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. > >I concur with this. I think the main reason for updating to 32 secs wasn't >sor 32-sec loops, but to allow me to do shorter loops without fear of >running out of time. > >Michael With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. David From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:42 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 09:13:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeNnU-0006Wg-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:13:44 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971204104207.092f1150@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <23302569800971@cfpa.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:13:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: CD / loops in South America Resent-Message-ID: <"QZVlKB.A.X2F.0bYi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1759 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:13:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 23b2a8082c0cd92b475d4989c7fb265a >Siobhan: >>If you are considering doing more than one CD, you could do them on a >>regional basis. Have the loopers in each area organize, choose, each >>region gets a side of a double CD or their own or whatever. That way the >>work gets broken out to various people, the product is more effective in >>terms of promoting gigs, it might even be a vehicle to meet each other and >>perform together. Might be too involved but its a thought.... Yes, don't "overglobalize" :-). Maybe region it not the strongest criteria though... Then Dr Pycraft: >This could be cool - FE we have enough European loopers on LD to make a go >of it. Sure, I can give you the contact of about 80 LOOP delay users! (I actually should have informed them about the list and... I feel just embarrassed to tell them that there are still no Plexes in my good old Europe... >I guess the US would spit into vaguely East/West lines, and so forth. >(Matthias will probably get most of the S. America disc to himself!) :-) Actually I am not the only one here. I just sold a few LOOP delays here and the users start grabbing it. This week I showed it to Lazzo, a great african reggae singer, and he immediately created incredible structures of rythm voices and melodies, reminding the south african choir tradition, as he commented himself. We also discussed other aplications with the band. He suggested that I should operate a Plex a the main desk (I mix his live sound) with a pedal extension to him. I think we will have to use two mic lines to transport the pedal control from the stage to the desk and the Plex output to the stage mixer. I wonder how long it will take until we are really able to execute such stuff at the precision he demands. I have written before about percussionist Bira Reis. We also have Miguel from Sao Paulo on the list. He uses the JamMan for sounds that you might rather expect from NY than from SA, but its cool, unique! In Rio, Ramiro Musotto is trying to build his (at least localy) famous percussion work into a combination of sampling and plexing. I heard of a flute player, too, and there must be more... The internationally most famous might be Nana Vasconcelos who uses a little Boss pedal to make his voice fly over his percussion playing. So, yes, we could do a CD of percussion/voice loops. Meanwhile I prefer to participate on a "northern" version... Matthias From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:47 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 11:33:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xePyK-0005vW-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:33:04 -0800 From: PMimlitsch Message-ID: <6c2f097c.3489a543@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:19:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MetaSynth Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ldukv.A.-TF.aeai0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1763 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:33:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 547ca7d67ec412c633d9b38d9cb7141b Just downloaded a demo of MetaSynth at <>. While I don't know squat about synths this looks (sounds) like it could be, not only usefull but, also lots of fun. - Paul From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 16:44:39 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 06:05:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeKr0-0000ZQ-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 06:05:10 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971206153838.0c27d93e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:38:38 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Loop Length In-Reply-To: <01BD017F.50D5B8A0@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OAGToB.A.NU.eqVi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1757 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 06:05:10 -0800 X-UIDL: b33a0a86757cff547fffd8d0bf1274d0 >I usually gravitate toward an 8-10 second loop, however, there are times when I can barely make due with the 32 seconds provided by my Jamman. I concur with this. I think the main reason for updating to 32 secs wasn't sor 32-sec loops, but to allow me to do shorter loops without fear of running out of time. Michael From ???@??? Sat Dec 06 18:26:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 6 17:55:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeVw2-0006UH-00; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:55:06 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5bbd93a0.348968d0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:29:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word and contracts Resent-Message-ID: <"7YeeaB.A.T0F.5Cgi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1764 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:55:06 -0800 X-UIDL: a284cff06f7dfde05a8d407b99e0265d Hi John- first, would you mind trying to quote the things you are replying to? sometimes I have a hard time figuring it out since I deal with pretty large amounts of email.... At 10:01 AM -0500 12/6/97, ANET wrote: >Kim; >I'm not a business major, but basically there are different types of business >partnerships. One is known as an S-Corp. where people get together and sign >some papers which state they are now in business as whatever. It requires a >filing >at the state level and identifies the people and assumed business name. From >there >tax ids and other stuff is required. Sadly, I've had to learn far more about these things than I ever imagined! S-corp would be far to complicated for a simple cd project. Just a general partnership is all that's needed. That way, all income just passes through to the partners and they have to deal with taxes on their own. Easier for international issues as well. much simpler as a whole. thanks for the input....hopefully the folks involved in the cd project are paying some attention to these business aspects? Be good to keep things on the legit side.....I'd help with it more but I'm just too busy right now. So I'll just toss an occasional comment from the sidelines..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 13:20:12 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 11:52:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xemkW-0004Kl-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:52:20 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 14:39:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"u45iID.A.0tD.9zvi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1765 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:52:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f32386f0c0c338249ee4923d86f1a8f Hi Loopers: We have been out of the country but now that we are back, we are thrilled at the idea of a compilation CD... Looopers Delight is one intriguing bunch! Here's an idea. Why not ask David Torn, or Robert Fripp or Eno or others with "reputations" in this quirky field to be EDITORS of each CD...not contributors of tracks...but editors of the compilation. This idea is modeled on the way that books like "The Best American Shorty Stories for 19..." are produced. In that series a famous artist/writer is asked to edit (select and organize) a compilation of stories for each volume. For instance Joyce Carol Oates edited the collection one year, making her selection for the volume. Of course there would have to be a pre-selected pool of loops but we could take care of that ourselves and also make sure that people were fairly rotated so that everyone gets his or her shot. Personally the LoOpDoctOrs are more intrigued by what and how David Torn or Robert Fripp might select and edit onto the Loopers Delight CDs then hearing a single contribution of theirs, which actually overshadows or dilutes the creativity and originality that this group represents. In short, we get the brand name association, the creative input and taste of these interesting pioneers, but in a quirky and different way. What do you all think? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 20:42:27 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 15:28:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeq7R-0006An-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:28:13 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <68164014.348b2e48@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:16:22 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"F3YKC.A.UdF.7_yi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1766 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:28:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 721cd4c727a0f09aceebbeb199b1ceb9 neat idea!! =-) PJ From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 20:42:28 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 15:49:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeqRq-0007aX-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:49:18 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Steve Morse and Looping Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:46:10 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd036a$4b456e20$f3f0ffd0@future-perfect> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"tgOd9.A.LxG.0Tzi0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1767 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:49:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 3c06a12454b58402ff95842b44512b3f Saw Deep Purple last night in Orlando. Morse did about a 5 minute looping piece featuring volume swells and an arppegiated picking pattern. I believe he used one of his Lexicon delays for this. The loop length was no longer than a few seconds. Dave ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 20:42:32 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 18:37:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xet4q-0000TB-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:37:44 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: jspeer@haverford.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JSPEEr Subject: [phiba-improv] Stick night @ LionFish Dec 13 Resent-Message-ID: <"67DvaC.A.WL.Dy1i0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1768 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:37:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 384753bb2922428f392039bfeff71490 Hi folks, I'm not subscribed at the moment, so I hope this announcement makes it to list distribution. I'm excited about this gig because it's going to be a great night for my looping group with fellow Stick player Paul Mimlitsch. I hope some of you in the area can make it! Please contact me directly at jspeer@haverford.com with quesitons or comments. **Chapman Stick Night at the LionFish Cafe** 614 N. 2nd Street, Philadelphia Info & directions: 215/829-9103 Saturday, December 13, 1997 8:30 pm Admission: $6 3 acts featuring 4 Chapman Stick players, large range of styles will be represented. INVASION OF TIME -- Double stick / looping group, performed at TAG this year. Paul Mimlitsch: Stick & loops Jim Speer: Stick, loops, MIDI Jody Janetta: Percussion GREG HOWARD -- From Charlottesville, VA, Greg is one of the leading solo Stickists playing today. Portions of his many fine recordings can be heard almost daily as snippets between news items on National Public Radio, among other places. Rare Philadelphia appearance. THREE HOUR TOUR -- A new power rock trio, featuring the compositions and arrangements of New Jersey Stick player, Ray Ashley. An odd assortment of cover tunes, from African mbira music to King Crimson. Ray Ashley: Stick Joe D'Andrea: Drums Helene Zisook: Electric violin An informational WWW page has been set up at: http://mars.superlink.net/~rayash/sticknight.html From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 20:42:33 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 19:26:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xetpm-0002ty-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:26:14 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd01b1$f34582a0$1b3163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:22:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Loop Length Resent-Message-ID: <"jFCjuD.A.lZC.df2i0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1769 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:26:14 -0800 X-UIDL: a48c819c85f146a32aa215af7b67af4c >Hello David, et al. > >Would you mind giving explicit, sequetial steps in actually doing this so >that another might try it? I'm standing here staring at the front panel of >the EDP with my guitar in hand... > >Anyone else with some very specific guidelines for doing something cool on >the EDP? I'll save the posts for future requests. > >Thanks, >Technoslow, >Randy Jones > >Randy > -------Reply---------- Randy: No big deal. Record a short sound, then just tap "multiply" until you have X (e.g., 16) number of end-to-end copies. Tap it again to fix the multiply number. Overdub some stuff. Then to divide, tap "multiply" again, and the 'Plex will start counting thru your "segments". This time a second tap can halve your total loop if you tap at X divided by two (e.g., 8), or whatever. In other words, "multiply" can just as easily be "divide". Sometimes I like to alternate even/odd multiply/divide figures successively to mess up the rhythms, or what a trained musician would probably put in terms of time signatures, syncopation, or some such. I just work with sounds. Kim and Matthias will be chuckling at such rudimentary use of this machine. "Multiply" functions are completely covered in the manual. Only mentioned it because I'm curious if the JamMan does this sort of thing.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Myers >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:36 AM >Subject: Re: Loop Length > >>With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and >>then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide >>the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One >>of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. >> >>David From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 23:01:35 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 21:11:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xevTp-00016s-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:11:41 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01bd01b1$f34582a0$1b3163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:04:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loop Length Resent-Message-ID: <"aYAERC.A.7n.LB4i0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1770 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:11:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 67b7a0e3321cf39cfb4ee6e5edf4e875 At 10:22 PM -0500 12/7/97, David Myers wrote: >Randy: > >No big deal. Record a short sound, then just tap "multiply" until you have >X (e.g., 16) number of end-to-end copies. Tap it again to fix the multiply >number. Overdub some stuff. Then to divide, tap "multiply" again, and the >'Plex will start counting thru your "segments". This time a second tap can >halve your total loop if you tap at X divided by two (e.g., 8), or >whatever. In other words, "multiply" can just as easily be "divide". >Sometimes I like to alternate even/odd multiply/divide figures successively >to mess up the rhythms, or what a trained musician would probably put in >terms of time signatures, syncopation, or some such. I just work with >sounds. > >Kim and Matthias will be chuckling at such rudimentary use of this machine. >"Multiply" functions are completely covered in the manual. not at all! It is one of the easiest things to do with the echoplex, but also one of the most powerful and musically interesting. And what you are doing with "dividing" the loop is often overlooked. That is also an extremely useful technique. Thanks for the nice explanation. Another very useful function of multiply is in combination with Record. If you have multiply going, and press Record, the loop length will be redefined at that point. So you could take a loop and cut out a shorter chunk, making that the loop, by pressing Multiply and then Record before you reach one loop time. Or you could make it longer by leaving multiply on past one loop period (or more) and pressing Record, getting the whole loop plus some arbitrary amount as the new loop. Multiply-Record and Dividing are great when you work with long loops and use feedback to evolve the loop. Letting feedback act on a long loop takes forever, so you turn feedback down a bit and shorten the loop with multiply or multiply-record. Then with overdub on you can quickly change the character of the loop, and then turn feedback up again, and maybe multiply it out into a longer loop again. >Only mentioned >it because I'm curious if the JamMan does this sort of thing.... no, multiply in real time is unique to the echoplex. You could do it with hard disk recording, but nowhere near as easily. Once you try, it seems so completely natural and obvious. I don't think I could live without a feature like this, and neither could Matthias, obviously! kim >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Myers >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 11:36 AM >>Subject: Re: Loop Length >> >>>With the Oberheim Echoplex, I like to set up a 1 sec loop, record a bit and >>>then multiply it out to maybe 16 sec, add some more material, then divide >>>the loop period to perhaps 8 sec, etc. etc. JamMen, can you do this? One >>>of many reasons the 'Plex is more an instrument than an effects device. >>> >>>David ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 07 23:01:38 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 22:20:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xewYo-0004gt-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:20:54 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Vortex Questions Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:21:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd03a1$7814f7e0$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01BD0377.8F3EEFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"mb7mfD.A.wEE.nD5i0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1771 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:20:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 9fd77d0e8277a378e6629be8e9461bd4
I've got some questions on the Lexicon Vortex for those who'd like to take a swing at it:
 
1.  Is there any way to configure an effect so that I can have only my echoes heard and no input signal?  Most of the effects still have the input signal when the Mix level is set at 64.
 
2.  Is there a compelling reason to use the Vortex with my amp's effects loop as opposed to going from guitar to vortex to amp input?
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
 
-Jesse
From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 02:44:22 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 7 23:15:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xexPs-0007YE-00; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:15:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 02:11:39 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199712080711.AA09259@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex Questions Resent-Message-ID: <"TAiHc.A.uxG.r25i0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1772 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:15:44 -0800 X-UIDL: d19387bf864c8ba9956823ca24fda0c3 >Lexicon Vortex >1. Is there any way to configure an effect so that I can have only my = >echoes heard and no input signal? Most of the effects still have the = >input signal when the Mix level is set at 64. Try setting mod fx level to 0 and echo fx level to 64. This gives you what you want on 90% of the effects. The idea of the vortex is that's a "chorusy echo"; mod fx level controls "direct" chorusy sounds, and echo fx level controls the echoes. So if you don't want the "direct" chorusy sounds, turn down mod fx level. Looking at the charts, the exceptions I see: it looks like Atmosphere B is fine as is, and you need mod fx level non-zero to hear echoes. Shadow B can't be configured to give only echoes. Choir B only has echoes in general, and mod fx level selects modulated eches whereas echo fx selects clean echoes. Mosaic B, due to the bug I posted before, probably won't be very interesting with mod fx level at 0. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 02:44:23 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 00:28:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xeyY6-0002za-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:28:18 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: Vortex Questions Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 03:28:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd03b3$45092b20$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-52Z8D.A.llC.I76i0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1773 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:28:18 -0800 X-UIDL: cbd629eb1e812450f84b56b68db8fc6f Thanks for the help. Before, I mistakenly thought the mod fx level controlled the mix between the wet and dry sounds of the un-delayed portion. I didn't realize it acted as an actual level control. I can pretty much do what I wanted now. Thanks, Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Sean T Barrett To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:17 AM Subject: Re: Vortex Questions >>Lexicon Vortex >>1. Is there any way to configure an effect so that I can have only my = >>echoes heard and no input signal? Most of the effects still have the = >>input signal when the Mix level is set at 64. > >Try setting mod fx level to 0 and echo fx level to 64. >This gives you what you want on 90% of the effects. The >idea of the vortex is that's a "chorusy echo"; mod fx level >controls "direct" chorusy sounds, and echo fx level controls >the echoes. So if you don't want the "direct" chorusy sounds, >turn down mod fx level. > >Looking at the charts, the exceptions I see: >it looks like Atmosphere B is fine as is, and you need >mod fx level non-zero to hear echoes. Shadow B >can't be configured to give only echoes. Choir B only >has echoes in general, and mod fx level selects modulated >eches whereas echo fx selects clean echoes. Mosaic B, >due to the bug I posted before, probably won't be very >interesting with mod fx level at 0. > >Sean Barrett > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 12:01:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf9ND-00060R-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:01:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199712081931.LAA05952@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vortex Virgin Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 13:31:04 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"qWcS2.A.3FE.Y_Ej0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1786 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:01:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 00b2fd32f9f859a56024f5f657c63cbc >Just got my Vortex w/ manual etc. This unit is used and it seems to me >that the presets are not intact (big surprise). The manual (and all the >buzz from loopers) suggested that I should hear some pretty dramatic >things...I don't. Some presets sound like nothing. It is difficult for >me to gauge the abilities of this device with no examples. Would anyone >be interested in providing parameter info for the presets (or cool >reatives) so that I can get a feel for this thing? >Also would appreciate comments on setup: where do you place your Vtex? >Mixer fx loop, amp fx loop, pre mixer or amp? etc. For my money the coolest Vortex routing is in a mixer, with the mix set to 100% wet, and the dry signal running in parallel. Also, the Vortex is much, much, much cooler in stereo. Especially through headphones. As far guaging the pre-sets, what instrument are you playing? Many of the Vortex effects are very sensitive to input dynamics, so if you're using input signals of relatively constant level (compressed guitar, synth sounds with minimal velocity sensitivity), you may not be getting the complete wow factor. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 07:02:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf4hL-0002df-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:02:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:54:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712081454.JAA09388@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"ukcjIB.A.uuB.loAj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1774 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:02:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 825ab99d2edc337d6000e1ccdbfda489 D. tou ever get that Vortex?--I just picked up an Rds 8000 and am having lots of twisted fun with my boxes Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 07:02:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf4hd-0002g8-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:02:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:54:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712081454.JAA09409@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: vortex? Resent-Message-ID: <"MH6fyD.A.xvB.roAj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1775 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:02:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 00d529d853c4e662b85ddaf8ed167f49 At 09:51 AM 12/4/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi! > >I'm new to this list and would like to hear from anyone with experience >with the Lexicon Vortex. I recently sold my two LXP1s and bought two used >Alexs to replace them, but I'm also now considering a Vortex. I play >synth, harmonica and vocals to write songs in my home recording setup. >I've heard it demoed on guitar and it sounds great, but I don't play >guitar. > >Anybody with experience with it on vocals, synth etc.? > >Thanks in advance. > >Dan > > > > > I can't speak professionally being a mere tone drone, but I've been using my recently acquired one for vocals(chanting and throat-singng), jaw harp and didgeridoo and it's the BEE'S KNEES! (hundreds of loopers can't be wrong)--if ti just had more twirly knobs and less of them' NUMBER settings that you had to scroll through (MIDI virgin) drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 07:02:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf4hl-0002hT-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:02:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712081454.JAA09429@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Jamman commodity index/attn Greg H. Resent-Message-ID: <"lbYVqD.A.FxB.yoAj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1776 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:02:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 50efa7e6456f6bd99b8f7ae1e776d141 Just saw another Jammman listed on Harmony this AM--actually had a price (475) instead of "accepting bids" (reputedly the aptly named Rogue Music got over $ 600 for one at auction) Oh yeah, a Boomerang as well--$ 325 new in box Greg, MAKE IT STOP! reissue the silver edition anniversary Jamman (Electro Harmonix is doing it . . . I can hardly wait to see the looks on the faces of those poor bastards apeculating on the "collectable" " $ 800" 16 delays and microsynths when the reissues come out) Oh, Greg while I've got your ear, I sure could use three or four tiny little Jamman case screws (long and short) to replace the ones I , ahem, . . . butchered, doing my 32 sec upgrade I wuv my Jammi drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:10 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 11:22:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf8lG-0001CI-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:22:34 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup Message-ID: <6761270.348c45f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:39:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steve Morse and Looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ujLvQD.A.ae.HeEj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1784 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:22:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 40f39a320f3fd2fd33ab54f36bb5564c I saw deep purple in Atlanta on friday and as far as I could tell Steve had about 5 volume pedals that for the most part were either on or off.He would set the loop and then stomp on the volume pedal for the loop volume and then play over that.Actually with knowing what you can do with loops and live improv I was kinda dissappointed -sometimes,he doesnt really listen to what he is playing and plays these annoying pivot type licks that seem just "trown in",not reallly matching his phrasing..-even still he usually is fantastic!.I commented to my friend that this kind of show will be not around much longer as Art will inevatibally become "one" with music...that little loop segment cuold have been cooler.I dont think that he used a jamman just a long delay with feedback control. Reeve From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 07:47:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf5PD-0005Y7-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:47:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199712081531.HAA00446@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Looper CD final word and contracts Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:43:52 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tKOSU.A.lwE.eUBj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1777 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:47:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 31b2c7f1ed8e49a9e6beda60c39239ac > From: Kim Flint > thanks for the input....hopefully the folks involved in the cd project are > paying some attention to these business aspects? Be good to keep things on Huh? What? Yeah I'm paying attention....and taking notes! Matt From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 07:54:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf5Vr-00068Y-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:54:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971208104850.00726414@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:48:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: for sale VORTEX In-Reply-To: <971204120608_1215622822@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JjGUV.A.ROF.maBj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1778 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 07:54:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 092e757cd24d5fbcc5b6e76e7776f64a At 12:06 PM 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >mint with pedal. > >best offer. > >im in chicago Did you sell this? If so, what were the high bids? I'm contemplating selling my Vortex. Thanks a lot, Len Seligman (from DC) From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 08:36:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf6Aw-0001iE-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:36:54 -0800 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: 'looppost' Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs Date:Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <348C20EA@199.71.37.25> Encoding: 20 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"OqPS4D.A._8.dCCj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1780 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:36:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 98391526f87487c60701a44d6dbf7dbb > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [SMTP:MPeters@compuserve.com] > To: Tom Attix > Subject: RE: 2nd CD -- Themes and Costs > > Maybe the CD should also carry a number - "Looper's Delight Vol. 1" (or > #2, > if Ray Peck manages to finish our first CD attempt first), making it clear > from the start that there is more to come. Or perhaps call the first one "Loopers Delight," the second one "Loopers Delight," the third one "Loopers Delight"... :-} . (Hmm, why did the name Peter Gabriel just come to mind?). Slightly more seriously, though, if the type size started out large - say 30 point - and got gradually smaller with each issue...? Naw, not really, but it seemed funny at the time. Jim Bailey From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:34:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 08:37:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf6B9-0001jX-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:37:07 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:36:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: SIMMS for Plex? Resent-Message-ID: <"MZzlnD.A.z2.hBCj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1779 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:37:07 -0800 X-UIDL: de683f4d00b9258def59d65c61690cf8 Just wondering where the best (ie. cheapest!) place to get SIMMS for the Echoplex these days? I've found one place that has them for $12-13 apiece, but the guy I talked to on the phone said these chips were a rather large size (2 1/2 inches tall) and I'm not sure if they would work in a Plex.They had smaller 30 pins available at $26 each. At another place I was quoted a price of $18 apiece. So far that is the cheapest I've seen, that I'm pretty sure will work in a Plex. Anyway , what is everyone else's experience with this? Ed From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:37 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 15:32:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfCf5-0002Id-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:32:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199712082306.PAA05720@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Date: Mon, 8 Dec 97 17:05:32 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"SdDno.A.NWB.jGIj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1790 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:32:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b02a73ef78b5469d87226c1c84c3fef >Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that >most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability >of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp >and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and >how? I play in stereo live, and use a stereo power amp (either a Mesa 20/20 or a 50/50) and two 1x12 EV-loaded Thiele ported cabinets. I space the cabinets apart to emphasize the stereo image. On my solo looping gigs, I put the speakers as far apart as possible, usually 20 feet or so, depending on the room. On those gigs, I don't use a PA, so they audience does get the stereo effect (I monitor through headphones). For my band-oriented guitar playing, I also go in stereo, but the stereo is just for me. Most PA's on the club level are in mono, and soundmen don't want to be bothered with mic'ing two cabinets. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 09:35:04 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 09:12:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf6j7-0004iT-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:12:13 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A5A@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Fmplautus' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:06:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"agW9gB.A.G2D.OjCj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1781 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:12:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 01fb83403810a7ea5e6918423e5034e5 Very groovy idea! -----Original Message----- From: Fmplautus [SMTP:Fmplautus@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 1997 2:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Idea about the Looper CD from LoOpDoctOrs Hi Loopers: Here's an idea. Why not ask David Torn, or Robert Fripp or Eno or others with "reputations" in this quirky field to be EDITORS of each CD...not contributors of tracks...but editors of the compilation. From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:06 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 11:06:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf8Vc-0007G3-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:06:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:58:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712081858.NAA09699@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: SIMMS for Plex? Resent-Message-ID: <"SkDsGD.A.KAG.WNEj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1782 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:06:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d3e0a38745a3473e6469f7a58603112 At 11:36 AM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >Just wondering where the best (ie. cheapest!) place to get SIMMS for the >Echoplex these days? I've found one place that has them for $12-13 apiece, >but the guy I talked to on the phone said these chips were a rather large >size (2 1/2 inches tall) and I'm not sure if they would work in a Plex.They >had smaller 30 pins available at $26 each. At another place I was quoted a >price of $18 apiece. So far that is the cheapest I've seen, that I'm pretty >sure will work in a Plex. Anyway , what is everyone else's experience with >this? > >Ed > > > > > Dont' know about a "plex" but I (and a number of others) got my ZIP's for my Jammmi from VisioSoft (800.735.2633) for SIGNIFICANTLY less than other sources . . . might check for your box Incidentally best is not cheapest, but Dave T., "badman" Malhomme and myself have had good luck with these guys--shipped promptly, knowledgable and cheap. drone on~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 11:12:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf8bW-00007l-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:12:30 -0800 Message-ID: <348C465B.517@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:11:23 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale References: <199712081454.JAA09388@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oxhFd.A.yrG.tTEj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1783 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:12:30 -0800 X-UIDL: bfcb2fdba84a2fb254d200b9cbfc7e2c Tom, I got the Vortex last week.I've been so busy that I haven't had much time to play with it. Have you got your Vortex going yet? If so, maybe you can help me out. While running throught he presets I was not blown away by what I heard. The booklet suggests that I would hear some dramatic thigs on certaion patches , however, many are doing very little at the moment. I attribute this to the fact that the presets can be altered, and as it's a used unit, I imagine they have been changed. This is my dilema: how do I get a good look at what this thing can do when the basic effects that illustrate its scope have been altered? If your presets are relatively intact I'd be interested in a run down of some parameters. This is a tedious request, but even a few patches would be helpful. Oh, how did your Jman surgery turn out? And whats the new effect you've got like? Dave From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:11 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 11:28:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xf8qt-0001rF-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:28:23 -0800 Message-ID: <348C49E9.8A6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 14:26:34 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Virgin References: <199712081858.NAA09699@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7TwH8B.A.T5.3hEj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1785 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:28:23 -0800 X-UIDL: ab534cfca0c3370c013982dfdbcf0a12 This will not be a sexy post. Just got my Vortex w/ manual etc. This unit is used and it seems to me that the presets are not intact (big surprise). The manual (and all the buzz from loopers) suggested that I should hear some pretty dramatic things...I don't. Some presets sound like nothing. It is difficult for me to gauge the abilities of this device with no examples. Would anyone be interested in providing parameter info for the presets (or cool reatives) so that I can get a feel for this thing? Also would appreciate comments on setup: where do you place your Vtex? Mixer fx loop, amp fx loop, pre mixer or amp? etc. Thanks Dave From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:23 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 13:28:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfAjG-00064m-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:28:38 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: , Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd041e$c23ab800$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"T5ItWC.A.a9E.tSGj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1787 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:28:38 -0800 X-UIDL: cc857255043bdf8028592034b67e5828 That message probably wasn't meant for the list, but I'll reply anyway. The Vortex presets can't be overwritten. Changes can only be saved in the register spots. Perhaps you need to turn the input knob up or maybe your effects sends aren't turned up enough, if that's how you've got it rigged. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: djdowling@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale >Tom, >I got the Vortex last week.I've been so busy that I haven't had much >time to play with it. Have you got your Vortex going yet? If so, maybe >you can help me out. While running throught he presets I was not blown >away by what I heard. The booklet suggests that I would hear some >dramatic thigs on certaion patches , however, many are doing very little >at the moment. I attribute this to the fact that the presets can be >altered, and as it's a used unit, I imagine they have been changed. This >is my dilema: how do I get a good look at what this thing can do when >the basic effects that illustrate its scope have been altered? If your >presets are relatively intact I'd be interested in a run down of some >parameters. This is a tedious request, but even a few patches would be >helpful. >Oh, how did your Jman surgery turn out? >And whats the new effect you've got like? >Dave > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:29 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 13:53:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfB70-0000US-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:53:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz X-Sender: jeffs@sigma.bgsu.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex w/ headphones In-Reply-To: <01bd041e$c23ab800$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kOlsrD.A.GCH.CqGj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1788 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:53:11 -0800 X-UIDL: b99e89925447e8d5c71cdf8cfe4125a6 Recently, my neighbors politely asked me to restrain my explorations of sound. It probably had something to do with my recent acquisition of a Whammy pedal, the expansion of my guitar's range by 2 octaves in each direction, and my newfound ability to annoy dogs and vibrate walls. So, I have been working with headphones for the last couple of days. First, I plugged them into the headphone jack of my amp, but I worried that running the amp without a speaker cabinet plugged in would do it no good. Last night, I tried plugging the phones into the appropriate output of my jamman (my setup: guitar>whammy>volume pedal>Rat>Vortex>Jamman). Hot damn! This was the first time I'd head the Vortex in stereo. Wow! (Yes, I remember our discussions of how the Jamman loops in mono but it passes stereo signals through intact...) I want to emphatically second Travis' suggestion that the cat trying to figure out his new Vortex get some good stereo phones. A lot of patchs that sounded like "chorusy echo" or "echoey chorus" before make a lot more sense and the power of the echo settings is a lot clearer. Polyrhythmic echo settings that sounded like a blur kick ass when one rhythm is on one side & one on the other. Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and how? From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 15:22:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfCVt-0001Ip-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:22:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971208151243.00a1f100@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 15:12:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones In-Reply-To: References: <01bd041e$c23ab800$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XpNMbD.A.Yb.A-Hj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1789 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 15:22:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 31dd21840f68851f376b7bf5a88f95a4 At 04:45 PM 12/8/97 -0500, Jeff Lawrence Schwartz wrote: >of my jamman (my setup: guitar>whammy>volume pedal>Rat>Vortex>Jamman). I prefer to 'tex my 'plex (Echoplex>Vortex). :) Setup some loops and mod them in real time. >Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that >most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability >of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp >and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and >how? More than a few people on the list go for full range stereo (not in the hi-fi sense) systems. Myself, I plug in through 2 212 cabinets and a stereo power amp. I was using a mesa 295, but recently started using a 20/20. From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 17:49:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfEnp-0007Jl-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:49:37 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:27:40 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: babs Subject: Re: Steve Morse and Looping In-Reply-To: <6761270.348c45f9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"clDUuD.A.G-F.IGKj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1791 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:49:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 956cfdea613c15823357c3501cc713c3 In message <6761270.348c45f9@aol.com>, ZeplinSoup writes >I saw deep purple in Atlanta on friday and as far as I could tell >Steve had about 5 volume pedals that for the most part were either on or >off.He would set the loop and then stomp on the volume pedal for the loop >volume and then play over that.Actually with knowing what you can do with >loops and live improv I was kinda dissappointed -sometimes,he doesnt really >listen to what he is playing and plays these annoying pivot type licks that >seem just "trown in",not reallly matching his phrasing..-even still he usually >is fantastic!.I commented to my friend that this kind of show will be not >around much longer as Art will inevatibally >become "one" with music...that little loop segment cuold have been cooler.I >dont think that he used a jamman just a long delay with feedback control. >Reeve > I'm not a fan but I thought you might be interested in this little snippet from a Morse interview in the Oct' 96 issue of Guitar Shop. "I have a bunch of Ernie Ball volume pedals. There's this one section when I play a little rhythm part and I alternate using either a modified Lexicon PCM 42 with extra memory for the repeat hold or a JamMan. The JamMan works great, as far as putting a loop in of any length. It doesn't allow you to layer the loops as seamlessly from one to another as a regular delay would." Also he says he uses a PCM 41 for short delays and a GSP-21 preset for long delays... Hope that was of some interest... :) -- babs From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:57:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 18:46:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfFh2-0004ZH-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: <348CB10B.3EF1@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:46:34 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex Virgin References: <199712082306.PAA05720@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ij5qj.A.5pD.Z-Kj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1792 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:46:40 -0800 X-UIDL: be0e1a805d232f000cdc04853e7b89e1 Thanks to all for responses and apologies for my accidental post earlier today. Before checking my mail this eve I experimented with my Vortex for a while and discovered most of the things that you all have noted...I guess I spoke prematurely. I was running in stereo but when I switched to headphones and eliminated alot of my guitar junk (including compression) I began to "see" the light. I'm sure I'll run into some roadblocks later but I'll spend some time before I jump to conclusions again. Thanks Again Dave From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:58:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 20:14:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfH3Y-0003CA-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:14:00 -0800 From: KILLINFO Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:25:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"HTz6q.A.0eC._QMj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1794 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:14:00 -0800 X-UIDL: e136152175400a1b43006179409b88ab In a message dated 12/9/97 2:07:00 AM, you wrote: >Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs. It appears that >most small clubs do not run stereo PAs, or don't use the stereo capability >of the ones they have. I suppose the only solution is to get a power amp >and a couple of cabinets of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and >how? Too true, too true about club PAs. I've done the power amp+cabs route for quite a few years now. My current (and long-time favorite) tools for this are a Seymour Duncan KTG 2075 power amp and four 1x12 Duncan cabs. It's really too bad Duncan went out of the amp business. They really had something going there for a while. Oh well, at least they still make the pickups. T.Killian From ???@??? Mon Dec 08 20:58:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 20:03:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfGtB-0002H2-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:03:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:57:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712090357.WAA17206@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: sorry . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"4u-SH.A.ctB.zGMj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1793 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:03:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 885aa51bf6e56486e73ca3ffaf9de3ec At 09:54 AM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >D. > >tou ever get that Vortex?--I just picked up an Rds 8000 and am having lots >of twisted fun with my boxes > >Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > > > > oops, private post SORRY drone on Tom First law: Bandwidth cannot be created or destroyed Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 01:25:23 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 22:09:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfIrE-0002vT-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:09:24 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01bd041e$c23ab800$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:06:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Resent-Message-ID: <"LVl8rB.A.CWC.X-Nj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1795 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:09:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 507ea4d8d03ed13b6b9692cbb56a8f48 >This was the first time I'd head the Vortex in stereo. Wow! (Yes, I >remember our discussions of how the Jamman loops in mono but it passes >stereo signals through intact...) >I want to emphatically second Travis' suggestion that the cat trying to >figure out his new Vortex get some good stereo phones. >A lot of patchs that sounded like "chorusy echo" or "echoey chorus" before >make a lot more sense and the power of the echo settings is a lot clearer. I always recommend the Vortex to people who are looking for nifty spatialization of a mono signal. Right now I follow my Echoplex with the Vortex ("Tex my Plex"--thank you Sean E.), but wish I had my second "tex" back to warp the guitar signal on the front end. But yeah, the Vortex lives in serious stereo territory, to my ears.... David From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 01:25:28 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 23:25:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfK3J-0000I9-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:25:57 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199712090721.CAA09539@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: <@monmouth.com> To: Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 02:04:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pdpnyB.A.GOH.iFPj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1797 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:25:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 0bd510f1e6c66f5846998b30f11f0e19 re: vortex: A lot of patchs that sounded like "chorusy echo" or "echoey chorus" before > make a lot more sense and the power of the echo settings is a lot clearer. > Polyrhythmic echo settings that sounded like a blur kick ass when one > rhythm is on one side & one on the other. > Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs..... of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and > how? just started going stero again - for me it's guitar > ADA MP1 preamp (stereo) > VORTEX (stereo)> Quadraverb (stereo)> LEFT output into amp 1, >RIGHT output into digitech Time machine then into Amp 2. the vortex stuff sound great, i have a stereo vol pedal between the pre amp and the VORtex (still awesome, 12AX7 tube for great overdreive, etc) experiment!!! do whatever, then put the vortex last, and simply connect to 2 amps or a stereo amp andre > > From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 01:25:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 8 22:18:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfJ0N-0003oU-00; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:18:51 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01bd01b1$f34582a0$1b3163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 04:18:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Loop Length Resent-Message-ID: <"-sk8eB.A.dKD.YHOj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1796 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:18:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 54d368c0bb25c171a641cfa218a2a407 kim: >no, multiply in real time is unique to the echoplex. You could do it with >hard disk recording, but nowhere near as easily. Once you try, it seems so >completely natural and obvious. I don't think I could live without a >feature like this, and neither could Matthias, obviously! It was the main reason to start designing a dedicated looper. I proposed the feature to t.c. for the 2290 and they thought it only served for some crazy "new agers". Then I built the feature into the PCM42 and was satisfied for a while (yes, with rounding, completely on HW logic! The unit still exists, but it gave a long squeek and died pretty exactly when the LOOP delay prototype started working). But when the need to sync to a second loop musician and the idea of Undo came, I had to do it right... Matthias From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 09:05:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfT5q-0004Ws-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:05:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199712091629.IAA09272@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Date: Tue, 9 Dec 97 10:28:44 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"YIc5DC.A.yYD.FhXj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1804 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:05:10 -0800 X-UIDL: be195fde00c6d0973d5869ff6d46c77d >Does anyone really know how well the audience can >here this? How much of a difference does it make? > At some point, I set up a few loops and set them to infinite repeat. This gives me an opportunity to walk around the venue and see what the sound is like. There *is* a difference for the audience playing in stereo, but I'm not looking to give the audience a "perfect" stereo image, but rather a 3-D sonic construction. Recently I've gotten into angling the speakers towards a wall and up at the ceiling to get maximum dispersion. It gets difficult to tell exactly where the sound is coming from, particularly if I "hide" the speakers behind a chair or something. >I guess, at least, if nothing else, the musician (you) >will hear it and perhaps be more inspired... but it >seems like a lot of trouble to go to if people can't >hear it. Since I already had the necessary speakers and power amp, it wasn't that much trouble. The load-in/set-up time for two speakers vs one is miniscule in light of all the other gear I already have to load in. >Doesn't bypassing PA cause problems for the poor guy >trying to mix the band? Or are you guys playing solo? My looping gigs are usually solo, or if not, with someone else who is also packing their own amplification. A lot of gigs are in non-traditional spaces which don't have a PA (theatre lobbies, coffeehouses, building foyers). The places that have PA's are usually pleased that they don't have to hassle with it, once I explain that I understand the idea of appropriate, comfortable volume. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 12:02:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 11:07:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfV0H-0001Hm-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:07:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199712091635.IAA06386@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Mixer Use Date: Tue, 9 Dec 97 10:34:41 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"kMtcXC.A.jU.tTZj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1807 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:07:33 -0800 X-UIDL: bfa7d0b0dffaa9cfd645e69ace1b8583 >I'd like to know what kind of mixer's use you make in your looping setup. >Regarding effect too. > >I could take a little mixer for nothing and I'd like to know more about it >in a loop context. I use a Samson Mixpad 9. It's got three or four mono inputs, five or six stereo inputs, and two mono send/stereo return effects loops. Channel 1: Guitar preamp Channel 2: 3.7 second delay Channel 3: 8 second delay Channel 4: Echoplex Channel 5 Drum machine into a ART multieffector EFX 1: send for the Echoplex EFX 2: Vortex Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 04:04:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfOOM-0004o2-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 04:03:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:58:34 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199712091158.AA29901@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Resent-Message-ID: <"zRndxD.A.YNE.tJTj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1799 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 04:03:58 -0800 X-UIDL: c8edae75dabb2cd5de158f218f20da5f >> Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs..... >>of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and how? > >just started going stero again - for me it's Does anyone really know how well the audience can here this? How much of a difference does it make? I guess, at least, if nothing else, the musician (you) will hear it and perhaps be more inspired... but it seems like a lot of trouble to go to if people can't hear it. Doesn't bypassing PA cause problems for the poor guy trying to mix the band? Or are you guys playing solo? Sean From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 06:44:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfQtx-0001gN-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:44:45 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Mixer Use Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:45:53 +0100 Message-ID: <19971209144552875.AAA201@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"mhGaoD.A.fIB.zfVj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1800 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:44:45 -0800 X-UIDL: eb9bf0303cba153b09d3312528e487dc Hi guys I'd like to know what kind of mixer's use you make in your looping setup. Regarding effect too. I could take a little mixer for nothing and I'd like to know more about it in a loop context. thanks leo From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:32 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 07:45:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfRqG-0005FW-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:45:00 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971209144552875.AAA201@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:28:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: Mixer Use Resent-Message-ID: <"XsmOkC.A.SZE.qXWj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1801 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:45:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 0fea4b3eabe5f16a7b3722ade3e04d13 >Hi guys > >I'd like to know what kind of mixer's use you make in your looping setup. >Regarding effect too. > >I could take a little mixer for nothing and I'd like to know more about it >in a loop context. > >thanks > >leo Ciao i use a Mackie MS 1402-vlz. Aux send 1 > Alesis Microverb 4 >> Jamman >> Stereo aux return 1 Aux send 2 > Alesis Microverb (the old little box) >>Stereo aux return 2 With this setup i can choose what and how much send to the effected jamman. If i want a dry signal to the jamman i bypass the MV4. I use effects send 2 to have a large reverb for my little percussions and toys, independently from loops. Now i would maybe add another multieffect after the jamman, to alter the loops, any advice ? ciao nicos From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:33 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 08:03:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfS7n-0006nn-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:03:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 09:37:03 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9711098816.AA881690229@ccbbn5.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Resent-Message-ID: <"vVMsr.A.PpF.MoWj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1802 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:03:07 -0800 X-UIDL: e5e07685645f8c0512934ebbaa0466ad I play in stereo live, and use a stereo power amp (either a Mesa 20/20 or a 50/50) and two 1x12 EV-loaded Thiele ported cabinets. I space the cabinets apart to emphasize the stereo image. On my solo looping gigs, I put the speakers as far apart as possible, usually 20 feet or so, depending on the room. On those gigs, I don't use a PA, so they audience does get the stereo effect (I monitor through headphones). For my band-oriented guitar playing, I also go in stereo, but the stereo is just for me. Most PA's on the club level are in mono, and soundmen don't want to be bothered with mic'ing two cabinets. Travis Hartnett funny, I use a 50/50 with two 1x12 EV(300 watt) also!! What a small world:) Brian From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 08:03:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfS8N-0006ri-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:03:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 09:37:03 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9711098816.AA881690232@ccbbn6.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Resent-Message-ID: <"KiUv7C.A.ItF.soWj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1803 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:03:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 6ff33f82e860b7e22579f9fee22d02b4 I play in stereo live, and use a stereo power amp (either a Mesa 20/20 or a 50/50) and two 1x12 EV-loaded Thiele ported cabinets. I space the cabinets apart to emphasize the stereo image. On my solo looping gigs, I put the speakers as far apart as possible, usually 20 feet or so, depending on the room. On those gigs, I don't use a PA, so they audience does get the stereo effect (I monitor through headphones). For my band-oriented guitar playing, I also go in stereo, but the stereo is just for me. Most PA's on the club level are in mono, and soundmen don't want to be bothered with mic'ing two cabinets. Travis Hartnett funny, I use a 50/50 with two 1x12 EV(300 watt) also!! What a small world:) Brian From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:57:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 10:13:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfU9Y-0003o0-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:13:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:43:24 -0800 Message-ID: <0005B8C3.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Vortex w/ headphones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"Vl0pJC.A.f6C.ViYj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1806 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:13:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 1dcdd8a7d132aca57b92fa38bd19cdc8 My experience has been that most of the good gigs have soundpersons who will gladly place a mic on each speaker, giving you at the very least a summed mono mix. Then along come the gig with a stereo PA. From the comments, I believe the audience notices. Whether they know what to attribute the *good* performance to is another story. I've gone out front and listened to others play through my stereo rig in both situations and I *definitely* notice! If there is a PA I would use it mono, stereo or otherwise. Bypassing the PA is a great way to not be heard in the mix, or to have badly muddled sound. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones Author: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) at INTERNET Date: 12/9/97 6:58 AM >> Now I've got to figure out a way to go stereo on gigs..... >>of my own. How many of y'all do stereo live? and how? > >just started going stero again - for me it's Does anyone really know how well the audience can here this? How much of a difference does it make? I guess, at least, if nothing else, the musician (you) will hear it and perhaps be more inspired... but it seems like a lot of trouble to go to if people can't hear it. Doesn't bypassing PA cause problems for the poor guy trying to mix the band? Or are you guys playing solo? Sean From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 10:56:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 09:49:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfTmd-0001Qm-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:49:23 -0800 Message-ID: <348D82C1.1D6D@artnet.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:41:23 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Mixer Use References: <19971209144552875.AAA201@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OL0ro.A.al.LMYj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1805 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:49:23 -0800 X-UIDL: c644dd138d025d8ce9bbf4539f12f826 I'm using a Passac "Unity 8" mixer. It is perfect for my applications. It's one rack space, 8 channels, with panning, volume and 2 aux sends for each channel in one rack space. They don't make them anymore, but if you look around you can find them for @ $175.00. It's set up like this: aux 1 -Sony dly unit ret. on ch's 1&2 aux 2 L - Roland SRV-2000 ret. on ch's 3 & 4 aux 2 R - Lexicon PCM-70 ret. on ch's 5&6 straight guitar sound on ch. 7 echoplex on ch 8 output to Boogie 50/50 (for now) into 2 Mesa thiele 1x12" cabs. this gives me alot of on the fly flexibility when looping. I'm very "hands on" my gear when playing. Later Eric Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > Hi guys > > I'd like to know what kind of mixer's use you make in your looping setup. > Regarding effect too. > > I could take a little mixer for nothing and I'd like to know more about it > in a loop context. > > thanks > > leo From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 12:02:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 11:40:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfVVh-0004MR-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:40:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:23:42 -0800 Message-ID: <0005BAF6.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Vortex w/ headphones To: "Looper's Delight" , "T.W. Hartnett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"XK12rC.A.yID.txZj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1808 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:40:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a783e7d533952e90e620af1213f799a >Subject: Re: Vortex w/ headphones >Author: "T.W. Hartnett" at INTERNET >Date: 12/9/97 10:28 AM >>Doesn't bypassing PA cause problems for the poor guy >>trying to mix the band? Or are you guys playing solo? >My looping gigs are usually solo, or if not, with someone else who is >also packing their own amplification. A lot of gigs are in >non-traditional spaces which don't have a PA (theatre lobbies, >coffeehouses, building foyers). The places that have PA's are usually >pleased that they don't have to hassle with it, once I explain that I >understand the idea of appropriate, comfortable volume. >Travis Hartnett At gigs with ensembles, I've been using two monitor wedges for years w/1 12" Celestions in each. No speakers at the rear of the stage. I usually get a *real* monitor between my stereo guitar monitor cabs. Sound guys have been unanimously pleased that they can mix me without having to fight with my cabinet volume onstage. They're ecstatic usually. The bonus for me is the incredible sweet spot at my stage location. I hear myself great, get great feedback without turning around, and don't blast the hair off of the rest of the band members heads! When I ran a back line of speakers, I liked it pretty loud. Now that I've gone full range, I will now just hand them my two XLR outputs from my Mackie 1202VLZ. I'm pretty sure they'll be *real* happy with that as well. I'm also planning on adding a pair of Garwood in-ear monitors as my monitor method, which removes all speakers from the stage area which completely eliminates microphone bleed. My acoustic guitar will probably never feed back again. I'll also get a perfect mix at the exact volume I desire. -Miko From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 12:02:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 11:43:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfVZT-0004pg-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:43:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:31:09 -0800 Message-ID: <0005BB1C.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: for sale VORTEX To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com, KULTBOX@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"BX5fQ.A.VqD.s2Zj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1809 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:43:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a05979f565c8f8c5365cc222b6de313 Hello KULTBOX... I've gotten into the holiday cash crunch and now have to wait awhile to see where all the chips land. Sorry. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: for sale VORTEX Author: KULTBOX@aol.com at INTERNET Date: 12/4/97 12:06 PM mint with pedal. best offer. im in chicago From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 19:47:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 12:05:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfVu2-000714-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:05:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01bd04db$f92a74a0$413bd4cc@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Mixer Use Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 11:52:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"M3eDFD.A.MxF.PKaj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1810 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:05:10 -0800 X-UIDL: d828da4ea8417dd45fd9cad88d1fe36e Leonardo Cavallo exuded: >I'd like to know what kind of mixer's use you make in your looping setup. >Regarding effect too. > >I could take a little mixer for nothing and I'd like to know more about it >in a loop context. Hi Leo! I use a Very Low Cost Yamaha 6-in, 2-out, 1-effects in/out mixer as the front end for my entire looping process. I hook up the loop - a Digitech 7.6 unit - via the effects send/receive, which lets me drop sounds into it from more than one source, selectively. Frankly I'd rather have a 2-effects, 8-in 4-out mixer, but hey! It works. It's used in the setup presently utilized in producing the work at my web site (and on my new cassette!). Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 19:47:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 9 12:29:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfWHS-0001Ly-00; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:29:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971209144552875.AAA201@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Mixer Use Resent-Message-ID: <"48MHjC.A.lv.3iaj0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1811 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:29:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ff44bb851c25c70e0f4c68bd0f51f06 Leo, I use a Mackie 1604 mixer: Guitar -->stereo preamp/effects --> Mixer input channels Microphone --> mixer input channel effect sends, routed to loopers, delays and vortex All of these units' outputs are routed back into mixer channels 4 mixer busses: 2 busses --> stereo guitar, & looper signals route to boogie 50/50 tube amp w/ 1x12" thiele cabinets (w/ celestion greenbacks) 2 busses --> microphone, vortex, & delays get routed to full range PA (currently using home stereo system) Also, I sync the echoplexes to sequencer playing drum rhythms from Roland R8M, whose signal gets routed to full range PA. The combination of guitar tube amp/speaker w/ full range PA creates a LARGE, KILLER sound! Unfortunately, this requires a 4 buss mixer....Anyone know of a well-built, reasonably priced, compact, rack-mountable line mixer w/ at least 4 fx sends and 4 busses?? The only thing I know like this is the Mackie LM3204, and it is not a true 4-buss, is not quite compact (5 rack spaces), and costs 6 or 7 hundred $. Along these lines, I recently picked up a Q-MIX Headphone "Matrix" amp by Oz Audio. This unit has 1 stereo input and 4 mono inputs, all of which can be routed to any of 6 stereo outputs. So, effectively, this is a 6 buss (stereo!) mixer. All it would need are multiple fx loops (this unit does have one) -- say 6 of them! Imagine running 6 loopers, into any of 6 stereo outputs (six stereo PAs could be spread throughout the venue/installation setting. Great possibilities! (Too bad my wallet can't keep up with my imagination). Anyone trying something like this? chris From ???@??? Wed Dec 10 23:05:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 10 17:56:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xfxrH-0006eF-00; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:56:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:50:05 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: marathon@pop3.joshuanet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Looper's Delight" From: Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design Subject: Looper CD: last call for contributors!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"NuH0-D.A.3jF.Aa0j0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1812 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:56:11 -0800 X-UIDL: e54008efbbb93a9cb52e986ba4b3cb20 The Looper's Delight CD project web page has been updated with a list of contributors and volunteers. If you don't see your name on the list and you want to be involved, email me ASAP. http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Finley Sound Design Marathon Records http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/ From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 02:35:10 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 02:33:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xg5vW-0005iv-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:33:06 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971201074723_-2109364584@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:12:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: domain name stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"HlFZEC.A.22E.a_7j0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1813 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:33:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 00a7ed593823191cd322bec13997e85b At 7:47 AM -0500 12/1/97, ANET@aol.com wrote: >Kim; >If you would like to E-mail me and send me your address, I would like to >contribute $50.00 to whatever effort you deem necessary. By the way, I would >like to challenge others to donate to Kim to continue this effort. We have a >real jewel here. Oh, by the way if any of you have not heard Michael Peters >Loops, take a little trip over to his Web site in Colonge, Germany, He has >some very nice guitar loops for demo. This is a bit old; meant to reply but have been very busy! Anyway, thank you very much for the offer, I really appreciate that. However, what you could offer that would be a lot more helpful than the money would be some of your time! The site operates by volunteerism, and it gets much better when more people help out a little bit here and there. And these days, time is the thing I have the least of, so I haven't been able to make many interesting updates to the web site lately. So take a look at the web site, see if there is any area that's lacking where you might be able to add something, and hop right in! If you can't think of anything, let me know because there are plenty of projects floating around. If you don't know how to make web pages, don't worry about it. There are people around who do know how that can help out. Web pages are pretty easy anyway, so this might be a fine time to learn! thanks again for the offer, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 02:35:09 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 02:32:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xg5up-0005fr-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:32:23 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:21:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Who's going to NAMM? Resent-Message-ID: <"6Ic-d.A.83E.g_7j0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1814 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:32:23 -0800 X-UIDL: bb87e7d0e1628a21ef951810fa162faa The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it again this year? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 10:46:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 05:40:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xg8qw-0005Lp-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:40:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971211083418.007bcb70@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:34:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jofRjD.A.qpE.Nv-j0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1815 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:40:34 -0800 X-UIDL: a44908b526f30c5c9eda8d7164e1a87d At 02:21 AM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Where? and how does one get in? **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 10:46:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 07:48:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgAqH-0005Ll-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:48:01 -0800 Message-ID: <001601bd064a$99894a60$e922dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:36:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"_TUUG.A.-XE.DlAk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1816 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:48:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e2022bad0f24e8423dd870ca7bb5f09 >The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a >little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it >again this year? You mean there's one of us peasant musicians that actually gets to touch a ticket to the show? :) I thought you had to have a real 'in' to get there... Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 10:46:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 07:51:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgAti-0005id-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:51:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:44:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712111544.KAA00394@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Greg H. omnipresent Resent-Message-ID: <"kZV_RC.A.-uE.spAk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1817 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:51:34 -0800 X-UIDL: d75c20da75e45eb5cb02421a7e1b9e3f From kflint Thu Dec 11 21:19:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgNW2-0000uS-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:19:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971211111102.006b3518@pop.flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:11:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, listserv@maillist.voyetra.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: Major Jamage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QgFFbC.A.-G.efMk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1838 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:19:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a6bbf0f14aa75756cc6eb3a3803b8ea I saw Victor Wooten, bass player for Bela Fleck, at a small club here in Houston last night. He made extensive use of a Jamman. He used about equal amounts loop mode and echo mode. He took a moment to explain to the audience what was going on, to the few who might not have already noticed; I think he tried to make sure that no one thought there was some sort of "tape trickery" happening. He also made slight use of a sampler. It was just him and a drummer, but the show never got "monochromatic". His bass playing is amazing. I urge anyone to go see him if you get the chance.[it was just 7 dollars!] John Beard www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 10:47:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 08:59:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgBxU-0003a3-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:59:32 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 11 Dec 1997 10:36:12 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS:Echoplex $700 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"Yx_90.A.anC.7oBk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1818 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:59:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e13e5898ca6305b2b2c15fc28b61a6e 0berheim Ech0plex w/ footswitch Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Good Age: N/A Description: latest version software 5.0 1 meg memory- can be expanded to 16 meg for 198 second recording time less than 1 year old $700 obo might consider partial trade but need cash to be in the deal Partial trade items of interest might include: Alesis DM5 H.A.T. Kat Pedal Alesis Monitor Ones Electric 12 string Seller: Pat Murphy, E-mail: murff@bellsouth.net Post Date: 12/11/97 From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 11:39:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 10:55:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgDlF-0006VX-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:55:01 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:46:15 -0700 (MST) From: Henry Throop To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fripp in Phil. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OG40_B.A.uMF.DUDk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1821 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:55:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 1758d447b90b5da3b8319092f931428b C O N C E R T N O T I C E Robert Fripp performs solo "Soundscapes" live Thursday and Friday, December 11th & 12th, 1997 8:00pm at The Painted Bride Art Center 230 Vine Street, Philadelphia, PA tel: (215) 893-1145 Information about Robert Fripp on the web can be had at The Elephant Talk web site: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et Or at The Discipline Global Mobile Web Site: http://www.discipline.co.uk -henry throop@bogart.colorado.edu From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 11:49:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgEbT-0003Ra-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:48:59 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34904BC9.5FAB0AD5@netwalk.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19971211083418.007bcb70@popmail.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:17:18 -0800 To: wsdiii@netwalk.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:N.A.M.M show Resent-Message-ID: <"7jud_B.A.GcC._GEk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1822 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:48:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 87e13c1b70be550257723e8e9cecc713 NAMM is not open the public, actually. (Frankfurt musik messe is on two days, and boy does it suck.) You have to "work" for a company in the music industry that belongs to NAMM (national association of music merchants). A lot of people seem to miraculously find employment in the music industry in late january and appear at the show. Its sort of a see and be seen deal for some - there's usually lots of hair spray, spandex, silicone, and has-been rock stars walking about. (there must some neighborhood in LA that refuses to leave the 80's.) For the serious gearhead, NAMM is a giant toy store where you get to try all the toys before the other kids. Oh, and some poor souls actually have to work during all that noise and insanity..... kim At 12:23 PM -0800 12/11/97, Bill Dutcher wrote: >I believe the last day of the show is open to the public, and you should >be able to obtain a badge for a fee. >Hope that helps, > >Bill > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 10:47:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 09:31:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgCSf-0006ah-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34904BC9.5FAB0AD5@netwalk.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:23:38 -0800 From: Bill Dutcher Reply-To: wsdiii@netwalk.com Organization: WSDIII Inc. Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:N.A.M.M show References: <3.0.5.32.19971211083418.007bcb70@popmail.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FBU1bB.A.-nF.gICk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1820 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:31:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 46f5471c4e84978526c3c7b27a930933 Floyd, At the times that I attended the N.A.M.M show, I was working in music retail and was sent there for business purposes from my employer. I was fortunate enough one year to pick up the endorsement for Lakewood Guitars/L.R. Baggs Electronics. I would suggest contacting your local music store and ask them for the phone number to the N.A.M.M. organization. They should be able to direct you on how to obtain a pass for the show. I can tell you now that it will be alot easier to attend if your are affiliated with a music related company, i.e: endorsement, or have a friend that works at a music retail store who might be able to say work for the store. I believe the last day of the show is open to the public, and you should be able to obtain a badge for a fee. Hope that helps, Bill Floyd Miller wrote: > At 02:21 AM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > >The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. > Where? and how does one get in? > > **************** > ********** Floyd Miller > ****** floyd@voicenet.com > ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 12:52:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgFbE-0001xk-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:52:48 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec11.144313cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:43:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re:N.A.M.M show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MA9lTB.A.tz.PBFk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1824 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:52:48 -0800 X-UIDL: b4a83965e8526dfe58ea95b57edc2f1f Michael- Actually we do go to see our paying public...our dealers. They are the men and women who have thousands of choices to make...which brand,model,color, etc. of gear they will stock in their stores to show to the end-users. We need the convention to show our products, work out promotions, get feedback from music store personnel and build relationships between our business partners. The presence of the general public is often a distraction and a hindrance to doing business, which is the reason all of us manufacturers paid for the space, the hotel rooms, the (so-called) food in the first place. It is not the fabulous party that some "NAMM Show Roundup" articles would have you believe. I think it would be wonderful if we (the manufacturers) would all participate in a consumers-only show. It would certainly create interest in those products that many stores choose not to stock, and some of the smaller companies (like Oberheim) could benefit greatly. Some of the more cutting-edge retailers like Gand Music in Illinois have their own "post-NAMM" show at which they report back to their customers what they sawand heard. Maybe you can lobby your favorite retailer to do the same...? Tom At 03:51 PM 12/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >At 11:17 AM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >>NAMM is not open the public, actually. (Frankfurt musik messe is on two >>days, and boy does it suck.) > >Why? Because it demands that manufacturers come face to face with the >paying public, rather than have a big holiday with rock stars and, er, >people with silicone? > >Sorry. Stupid question. > >:) > >Michael > > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 12:55:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgFdn-0002Gf-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:55:27 -0800 Message-ID: <34905228.1BC@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:50:48 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net Organization: Altruist Music & Radio Sovdep X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show References: <34904BC9.5FAB0AD5@netwalk.com> <3.0.5.32.19971211083418.007bcb70@popmail.voicenet.com> <3.0.1.16.19971211215119.0bff572c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AT0MFD.A.DMB.rEFk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1825 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:55:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 80d87abb63ebb94f32c0768e8fcb77e6 Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > > At 11:17 AM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > >NAMM is not open the public, actually. (Frankfurt musik messe is on two > >days, and boy does it suck.) > > Why? Because it demands that manufacturers come face to face with the > paying public, rather than have a big holiday with rock stars and, er, > people with silicone? I understand that one reason NAMM has never had a public day is that a lot of manufacturers don't want the general public to know what price they're selling their products to retailers for, as that would conceivably undermine the position of said retailers in a real-life sales situation. THere's also the sheer audience issue. The show there on the weekend days is a bit of a mess, with all the people milling about. I can't easily imagine how they'd be able to regulate a way of maintaining any sort of order if they sold tickets to the thing to the general populace. On the other hand, a lot of genuinely informed and interested musicians wind up getting shafted becuase they don't have the right connections, so it's a problem for those of us at the bottom of the proverbial totem pole. I was abole to go last year (thanks to the very kind auspices of a fellow LD subscriber -- I won't "out" him for fear of his recieving unsolicited letters requesting entry passes, but thank you once again!) and personally found the whole experience very disturbing. I liken the sensation to that of eating far too much of a really good kind of food -- after a certain point of saturation, the sight of all of that musical gear just got to be a bit sickening for me, especially as it dawned on me that I was surrounded by millions and millions of dollars' worth of musical instruments, and thousands of musicians -- yet the event going on had almost nothing at all to do with music. Somebody once said, "NAMM is something you should go to -- ONCE." I'm inclined to agree. All just products of my increasingly warped perspective, of course. --Andre From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:27 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 13:40:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgGLg-0006ep-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:40:48 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec11.153125cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:31:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: N.A.M.M show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oNRITB.A.aaF.iuFk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1827 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:40:48 -0800 X-UIDL: d7360944ca1a1a946fd92ef1a22479d0 >I understand that one reason NAMM has never had a public day is that a >lot of manufacturers don't want the general public to know what price >they're selling their products to retailers for, as that would >conceivably undermine the position of said retailers in a real-life >sales situation. Hello, Andre! I think you could substitute "all" instead of "a lot" and take the word "conceivably" out of your above statement and you've pretty much nailed it. Of course your Delaer does not want you to know what he paid for the gear. Farmers won't tell me the price they get for milk, Kellogg's is not giving up the price of manufacture of my Corn Flakes, and somehow, even with cash-back bonuses, rebates and special financing, I have a feeling the dealer invoice number I had for my Explorer was not what my dealership paid for it! :) NAMM is a convention for member manufacturers to sell their wares to member retailers...it could just as well be vacuums, TV sets or John Deere combines, but because it happens to involve tools used by musicians to create music, it is ocaasionaly criticized for being exclusionary to the consumer. In fact, it is sometimes characterized as a kind of Callous Cabal of Capitalistic Chuckleheads scheming up ever more devious ways to separate the starving musician from his/her last farthing. What it really is is sore feet. The above all hatched from the soggy depths of my equally warped perspective...! Tom > > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 13:54:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgGYW-0000Lh-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:54:04 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <0005DF45.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: Looper CD: last call for contributors!!!! To: "Looper's Delight" , Mike.Biffle@wj.com, Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"OVKa7.A._nG.G7Fk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1828 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:54:04 -0800 X-UIDL: d676d2c07d6bbdb9f7483942ed354bcd Hi Matt... One correction: Mike Biffle is a separate contributor and is listed on the same line as Miguel Barela. This looks like a simple typo, but I thought I'd let you know. Still looping... -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Looper CD: last call for contributors!!!! Author: Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design at INTERNET Date: 12/10/97 5:50 PM The Looper's Delight CD project web page has been updated with a list of contributors and volunteers. If you don't see your name on the list and you want to be involved, email me ASAP. http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Finley Sound Design Marathon Records http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/ From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 13:56:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgGb3-0000e2-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:56:41 -0800 Message-Id: <12587.199712112147@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:47:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show Resent-Message-ID: <"0YTqGC.A.mGH.Q_Fk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1829 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:56:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 2dfc9c5b797278aa86d97f957f0b58dd Tom: >Actually we do go to see our paying public...our dealers. They aren't you're paying public, they just tell you they are!! Go direct like Carvin, you know it makes sense! (to us) Incidentally, do Carvin bother attending NAMM? >The presence of the general public is often a distraction and a >hindrance to doing business, which is the reason all of us manufacturers >paid for the space, the hotel rooms, the (so-called) food in the first >place. This just seems a strange mentality. If Lexicon had taken the Vortex to the public themselves, it might have sold better than by trying to encourage Guitar Center to do it for them. And if the message doesn't get through to the PAYING CUSTOMER, the product's shafted anyway. To put it one way, how many distributors are on this list (LD)? Err... none. But they go, and we don't. > Maybe you can lobby your favorite retailer to do the same...? My local retailer would love to fly from Scotland to Anaheim, but it ain't gonna happen.... Andre: > I understand that one reason NAMM has never had a public day is that a > lot of manufacturers don't want the general public to know what price > they're selling their products to retailers for, as that would > conceivably undermine the position of said retailers in a real-life > sales situation. Having seen a producer's price list once, I can understand this. To put it another way, I've seen the US (direct) and UK (dealer) prices for the Cafvin Holdsworth... try $750 vs $2000.... Michael From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 14:47:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgHOe-0005hK-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:47:56 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971211223849.00d1a794@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:38:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re:N.A.M.M show Resent-Message-ID: <"2U1e2C.A.WVE.vtGk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1830 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:47:56 -0800 X-UIDL: f15eccd3e39b1debb84a54a966366bde At 09:51 PM 12/11/97, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >At 11:17 AM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >>NAMM is not open the public, actually. (Frankfurt musik messe is on two >>days, and boy does it suck.) > >Why? Because it demands that manufacturers come face to face with the >paying public, rather than have a big holiday with rock stars and, er, >people with silicone? As I recall from working at Frankfurt, you spend most of the open-to-the-public days completely focused on preventing everything in your booth from getting stolen. We had to keep an eye on every last guitar knob. Not a lot of time left for politely answering the same question for the 900th time, which you're in no mood for by the fifth day of a huge trade show anyway. The nice thing about Frankfurt though, was that people were quite polite about the fact that I was a total moron and could only answer their questions in English. Most of them were then able to gracefully switch from German or whatever to English, making me feel even stupider. But I did very much appreciate that, and I'm sure it doesn't work the other way around in LA. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 14:49:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgHQB-0005qa-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:49:31 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec11.164143cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:42:09 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched Resent-Message-ID: <"X9SehB.A.uoE.XwGk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1831 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:49:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 1af82323d8348ba48b8ff4e3afba394d >They aren't you're paying public, they just tell you they are!! >Go direct like Carvin, you know it makes sense! (to us) >Incidentally, do Carvin bother attending NAMM? Yes, although I don't know why...probably for the benefit of their international distributors. >>The presence of the general public is often a distraction and a >>hindrance to doing business... > >This just seems a strange mentality. If Lexicon had taken the Vortex to >the public themselves, it might have sold better than by trying to >encourage Guitar Center to do it for them. And if the message doesn't get >through to the PAYING CUSTOMER, the product's shafted anyway. To put it >one way, how many distributors are on this list (LD)? Err... none. But >they go, and we don't. Michael, where are you ever going to hear a Vortex if there are no Dealers? Who is going to check the credit status and invoice and collect from every single consumer that calls up to order direct? What will shipping costs be if every unit is sold and shipped to an individual? Who will repair/service the units? Guitar Center and their fellow retail establishments are exactly the right places to mass market the Vortex (or Boomerang, or Echoplex, or whatever...) because that's where guitar players go to buy gear. Limiting access to only those who can fly to LA or Nashville or Frankfurt to actually hear the unit, or selling it direct over the Internet (25 million users, but how many of them are musicians?) is not the way to launch a product, and would not have saved the Vortex. > >> Maybe you can lobby your favorite retailer to do the same...? > >My local retailer would love to fly from Scotland to Anaheim, but it ain't >gonna happen.... Maybe he/she needs to charge more for their product!!:) > >Andre: >> I understand that one reason NAMM has never had a public day is that a >> lot of manufacturers don't want the general public to know what price >> they're selling their products to retailers for, as that would >> conceivably undermine the position of said retailers in a real-life >> sales situation. > >Having seen a producer's price list once, I can understand this. To put it >another way, I've seen the US (direct) and UK (dealer) prices for the >Cafvin Holdsworth... try $750 vs $2000.... > I can't speak for Carvin, since my background is in retail sales and (now) manufacturing. When talking about US product for sale in the EU, you must include VAT, shipping, tariffs, etc. to the price. Suffice it to say that our margins are fair, as are most dealers prices to you. Remember, until "discouraged rock-n-rollers" who were tired of being charged full Retail Price entered the business in the late '60's and early '70's, everything in a music store was sold at full pop. Very few dealers could exist without discounting these days. I think we are all a bit spoiled at the treasues we are exposed to every day and the incredible prices at which we can obtain them...not so long ago, Oberheim keyboards had a SRP of over $5,000.00! That the future-pointing Vortex was even developed, manufactured, marketed and distributed is a miracle. I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna, and I have digressed a bit, but NAMM is good for what it is intended...If end-users all over the world demanded a Consumer Day, I suspect they would get one... (The opinions expressed by Mr. Spaulding do not necessarily reflect the glare from the top of his head, and are not shared by just anyone) Tom > > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 13:03:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgFl3-00036V-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <34906ED6.41DF@infobiogen.fr> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:53:11 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #228 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7KZVSB.A.q1B.dKFk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1826 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:02:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 22debe2cc87f56626815a3b9776c449e My system is Aria guitar and Fifth tuned guitar -> Lag spitfire preamp Fernandes Guitar -> VG-8 Stick -> Lag spitfire (melody) -> Peavey Rockmaster (bass side) Fretless guitar ->Peavey Rockmaster (bass side) all preamp out go to Mackie CR1604 (except The Lag out that goes to jamman to vortex to CR1604) effect send 6 from the CR 1604 goes to jamman to vortex to CR 1604 a few reverbs and other effects in the other effect sends.... That is the basic idea OOps I forgot, GR-50 in the CR too. the mackie runs two peavey KB300 for neighbours torturing applications Oliver Malhomme From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:34 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 15:09:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgHjk-00000s-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:09:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971211230106.00c83164@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:01:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"qBiIpB.A.ciG.rCHk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1832 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:09:44 -0800 X-UIDL: d68ed9b1bcda870eb7d9c6e8c1a8379d At 09:47 PM 12/11/97 GMT, Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD wrote: >Tom: >>Actually we do go to see our paying public...our dealers. > >They aren't you're paying public, they just tell you they are!! >Go direct like Carvin, you know it makes sense! (to us) >Incidentally, do Carvin bother attending NAMM? yes, they usually have a reasonably large booth. You have to realize that in addition to being sales people and product managers and store owners and whatnot, most of the people there are also musicians with reasonably well paying jobs. >>The presence of the general public is often a distraction and a >>hindrance to doing business, which is the reason all of us manufacturers >>paid for the space, the hotel rooms, the (so-called) food in the first >>place. > >This just seems a strange mentality. If Lexicon had taken the Vortex to >the public themselves, it might have sold better than by trying to >encourage Guitar Center to do it for them. And if the message doesn't get >through to the PAYING CUSTOMER, the product's shafted anyway. To put it >one way, how many distributors are on this list (LD)? Err... none. But >they go, and we don't. That's what marketing campaigns in magazines and in store clinics and displays are for. At a tradeshow it's like this: An important dealer comes up. He's busy, got a lot to do that day, you spend 5-10 minutes discussing the products in the booth with him. He knods, says, "I'll buy 50 of those, 100 of those, let's do the order now." Papers signed, he's gone. Then along comes some 22 year old who probably works in a shoe store. He asks detailed questions for an hour and a half, plays all the gear badly while others are waiting, and eventually wanders away and probably never buys anything at all. As you might imagine, the manufacturer (who really does want his business) would much prefer that said 22 year old explored the product and asked questions at his local dealer rather than consume far more valuable space and time at the trade show booth. That's not always the case with every manufacturer. The really small guys will eagerly talk to anybody. They need all the exposure they can get, probably don't have any sort of dealer network set up, and probably haven't been to enough shows to get the hang of separating the important people from the rest of the crowd. Some big manufacturers are good too...Roland for example, has their booth set up with a big stage and lots of demo booths around with headphones. They probably do all the business deals in hotel suites. Even there though, it's mostly look-and-don't-touch for the new stuff. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:51 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 16:25:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgIuX-0006sl-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:24:58 -0800 From: "Pete Gilbert" To: Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:13:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0c5893816000cc7UPIMSSMTPUSR04@email.msn.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"yQAdTB.A.DzF.lKIk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1833 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:24:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c4f558e6b0da9adc42211aef20997d8 ----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 05:31 Subject: Who's going to NAMM? >The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a >little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it >again this year? > >kim > my compadres, Wes and Steve, should be there playing Sticks and Zendrum and looping at the Zendrum booth (at least, I think that Wes will be taking his jamman). If you get a chance, stop by and say hi. My schedule won't let me make it to the left coast. pete gilbert From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 16:48:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgJH1-0001Sl-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:48:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:39:29 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: marathon@pop3.joshuanet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Looper's Delight" From: Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design Subject: Looper CD: don't miss out Resent-Message-ID: <"Nu5MjD.A.hb.MeIk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1834 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:48:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ddf219543932b079ca0b671a5fa6f0f Many humble apologizes to the people I missed on the first go around. If your name appears below, it means you are a "confirmed" contributor to the Looper CD project and can 1) pay the $100 submission fee, 2) meet the submission deadline, and 3) submit your material on CD or DAT. If you are only an email address on the list, please send me your real name!!! Matt -------- Here's the list (it also appears at http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html): ANET@aol.com Bret Moreland David Kirkdorffer Doug Michael Doug Pieren Frank Gerace Len Seligman Keenan Lawler Kevin Malhomme Olivier Mark B Markus Reuter Matt McCabe Matthias Grob Michael Peters Michael Preston Miguel Barella Mike Barman Mike Biffle Patrick Smith T.W. Hartnett Walt Blackler ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Finley Sound Design Marathon Records http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/ From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:24:01 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 17:52:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgKHW-0007gR-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:52:46 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971212012913.00d04490@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:29:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper CD: don't miss out Cc: "Looper's Delight" Resent-Message-ID: <"-cDbu.A.-WG.5bJk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1836 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:52:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 993913d2dbec8c7986617f83b4bdd957 At 04:39 PM 12/11/97 -0800, Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design wrote: >Here's the list (it also appears at >http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html): > >ANET@aol.com >Bret Moreland >David Kirkdorffer >Doug Michael >Doug Pieren >Frank Gerace >Len Seligman >Keenan Lawler >Kevin >Malhomme Olivier >Mark B >Markus Reuter >Matt McCabe >Matthias Grob >Michael Peters >Michael Preston >Miguel Barella >Mike Barman >Mike Biffle >Patrick Smith >T.W. Hartnett >Walt Blackler wow, great turn out! Looks like more than one cd! Are we going to start plans for Looper's Delight Vol 3 then? kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:24:01 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 17:44:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgK9o-0006or-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:44:48 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971212013637.008e23fc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:36:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Resent-Message-ID: <"Iz7xJ.A.BkF.cUJk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1835 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:44:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 838bf539112a3380783f1a0f2b309f94 ok, right, this was the original question, before we got sidetracked into general bashing of the show itself. So who wants to do a looper get-together at the show? I know damn well some of you are going. :-) kim At 07:13 PM 12/11/97 -0500, Pete Gilbert wrote: >----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 05:31 >Subject: Who's going to NAMM? > > >>The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a >>little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it >>again this year? >> >>kim >> > >my compadres, Wes and Steve, should be there playing Sticks and Zendrum >and looping at the Zendrum booth (at least, I think that Wes will be taking >his >jamman). If you get a chance, stop by and say hi. My schedule won't let me >make >it to the left coast. > >pete gilbert > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:24:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 19:16:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgLag-0007K8-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3490AAA8.372A@artnet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:08:25 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: N.A.M.M. References: <2.2.32.19971212012913.00d04490@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z93xJD.A.dQG.wrKk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1837 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:16:38 -0800 X-UIDL: a03101e35fbd116a3c59804f1bc968ec I will be going to N.A.M.M. this year and would welcome the opportunity to meet y'all. Count me in. Eric R. Fischer From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 10:47:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 09:20:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgCHu-0005Ur-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:38 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0679.51821150@post34.sequeltech.com> From: cdrynan@sequeltech.com (Chris Drynan) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:11:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD0679.5186A530" Resent-Message-ID: <"dpsIVD.A.4cE.F8Bk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1819 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:38 -0800 X-UIDL: d665e60e902498f41cca828888f0308c -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com [SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 8:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #228 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Vortex Virgin >> << Message: Re: sorry . . . >> << Message: Re: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Re: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Re: Loop Length >> << Message: Re: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Big Block 454 >> << Message: Re: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Mixer Use >> << Message: Re: Mixer Use >> << Message: >> << Message: >> << Message: Re: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Re: Mixer Use >> << Message: Re[2]: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Re: Mixer Use >> << Message: Re[2]: Vortex w/ headphones >> << Message: Re: for sale VORTEX >> << Message: Re: Mixer Use >> << Message: Re: Mixer Use >> << Message: Looper CD: last call for contributors!!!! >> << Message: Re: domain name stuff >> << Message: Who's going to NAMM? >> << Message: Re: Who's going to NAMM? >> << Message: Re: Who's going to NAMM? >> << Message: Re: Greg H. omnipresent >> From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 20:23:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 11 12:23:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgF8x-0006oF-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:23:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971211215119.0bff572c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:51:19 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re:N.A.M.M show In-Reply-To: References: <34904BC9.5FAB0AD5@netwalk.com> <3.0.5.32.19971211083418.007bcb70@popmail.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EC8E5C.A.YdF.NmEk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1823 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:23:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 355338cdb0361b1defe00fba23b110bf At 11:17 AM 12/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >NAMM is not open the public, actually. (Frankfurt musik messe is on two >days, and boy does it suck.) Why? Because it demands that manufacturers come face to face with the paying public, rather than have a big holiday with rock stars and, er, people with silicone? Sorry. Stupid question. :) Michael From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 18:49:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xghdl-0000sE-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:49:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199712121650.IAA05886@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 10:49:48 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"jxzzZC.A.DV.VZfk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1858 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:49:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 860396208b0f9927f54a0f7880d9b0a0 >Yet musical gear, effects processors, many synths, tuners, etc all cost AS >MUCH, sometimes MORE than they did years ago. Of course - many exceptions >to the rule.... but in general, c'mon!!!! why do the people that support , >yes, a smaller industry, hav to keep paying while the production costs go >down for all these manufacturers??? is it just supply & demand ?? why does >a BOSS TU12 tuner cost like $60-80 , just the same that it did 10 years >ago??? Or most rackmount effects???again, there are lots of bargains out >there, but, as anyone who has looked thru a blue book can see, musicians, >who can sometimes least afford it, shoulder an odd set of pricing >structures/strictures. But $60-80 is less now than it was 10 years ago, and $600 buys you a lot more processing now then it did then. I think the SPX-90 went for more than $600, and there's no comparison between it and, say, and Intellifex. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:34 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 03:06:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgSv8-0004OS-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:06:14 -0800 From: Ahanning Message-ID: <8e4ef673.34911946@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:00:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS:Echoplex $700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"hXivPC.A.32D.dmRk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1840 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:06:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b8feb70d71df72075468ec1c2208d82 We've got a "MARS" music store opening up in my area - anyone had any success stories in haggling prices down at one of these? likewise, am looking for a Jamman or preferably echoplex, as cheap as cheap can be. Anyone know what sort of mark up (roughly speaking) List price for a big-ass store might be over cost to them? TIA Alex From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:01:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 13:59:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgd70-0007Gw-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:59:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3491402E.28AA@fredmarshall.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:47:53 +0000 From: Fred Marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Liaght Sound Dimension at SOMAR References: <3.0.1.16.19971212111024.3c772fee@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g2g3jD.A.IoF.GEbk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1851 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:59:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c3373b27f2571f5da7c775e4e2ccd15 PRESS RELEASE: AN EVENING OF JAZZ FOR YOUR EARS AND EYES ! LIGHT SOUND DIMENSION, an AUDIO-VISUAL JAZZ GROUP whose unique work spans over 30 years, combines Bill Ham's LIGHT Shows (spontaneous real-time projection painting) with Fred Marshall's SOUND (currently the Marshall Arts Trio - Fred playing Bass and instruments of his own design, Joshi Marshall playing Saxophones, flutes, etc., and Steve Rossi on Percussion). A ONE NIGHT LIVE PERFORMANCE CELEBRATING THREE DECADES OF COLLABORATION ! 9:00 pm, December 12th, 1997 at: SOMAR - 934 Brannan St. - San Francisco, CA - $5 at the door. BACKGROUND Bill Ham is a painter working in real-time with light as his medium. Bill originally developed this spontaneous form of projection painting in his studio. Later at the Avalon Ballroom he created the form that became known as the Psychedelic Light Show. Fred Marshall can be heard on many jazz classics, including Vince Guaraldi's "In Person", and "Vince Guaraldi's Greatest Hits" (also on the "Peanuts" TV series) and Jon Hendricks' "Live at the Trident" (recently re-released on CD). Still pushing the Jazz envelope, Fred plays instruments he has invented - The welded steel Megatar, the Cerberus, the "Uprite" Bass, the Time Tunnel Loop and the Drone. Fred is one third of the Marshall Arts Trio. In 1966 Bill Ham and Fred Marshall formed Light Sound Dimension, and in February 1967 gave their first public performances at the San Francisco Museum of Art. (S.F. Chronicle) Jazz critic Ralph Gleason wrote: "Show May Put Museum in Orbit !" In 1968 they opened the Light Sound Dimension Theater, of which Alfred Frankenstein (S. F. Chronicle) wrote: "Light and Sound improvise together for an hour at each showing. No one hour is ever like another and there is probably no theater like this one anywhere else on Earth." (See picture in the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME book "I Want to Take you Higher"). L.S.D. went on to perform at museums, galleries, colleges and universities here and in Europe. Fred Marshall and son, Joshi Marshall met in 1971 in the delivery room and, in 1988, formed the Marshall Arts Trio which has appeared at many clubs and Jazz Festivals, including the San Francisco Jazz Festival, and the 1997 Monterey Jazz Festival. Philip Elwood (S.F. Examiner) reported from the 1997 Monterey Jazz Festival "on Saturday we heard an extraordinary set by the Marshall Arts Trio . . . which included some fascinating free-jazz . . .exciting solos and duets and nicely controlled dynamics". Joshi Marshall is the featured soloist in the Marshall Arts Trio, playing tenor and alto saxophones, often simultaneously, as well as flutes and percussion. Joshi and Steve are featured on the just-released Mingus Amongus CD. Steve Rossi is simply one of the finest drummer/percussionists anywhere. From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:42 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 06:47:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgWNS-0001rp-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:47:42 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <32e76c71.34914c67@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:38:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Proposal for the 3rd CD (Submissions on TAPE) March 31st deadline Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"3XtOeD.A.WSB.6zUk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1841 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:47:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 971da9180cfa659a545938925df39249 After having been a part of the 2nd CD project, I would like to make a proposal for the 3rd project. Many folks out there appeared to be interested in submitting tapes. If you are interested, I would be willing to produce this project. Proposal: 1) We would follow the guidelines being established for the 2nd CD project. 2) After the final tape is mastered, we would submit to Marathon for cutting the final CD. 3) All submitters get a set number of CDs and or Tapes with the ability to buy all subsequent pressings at cost. 4) The producer and Loopers-Delight receive stipends for their efforts. (Goal being to help this web site to become self sustaining and to encourage other producers to step forward) 5) 2,3 or 4 track StereoTapes showcasing Looping and or Vortex highlights are accepted. Final Mixes being done by the producer. 6) $100 submission fee is required. 7) A request for artwork is made to the group of which websites are set up for sampling and voting. 8) Project time lines: |Now----+March 31st tape submissions and selection process |----------------------------+Web site design for all projects is set up. +------+ Production work for selections |--------------------+May 1st Artwork submission |-------------------+ May 1st submission for CD to Marathon |-----------------------------+June 1st CD release |----------------------------------------------------------------?Permanent Web site maintainence |-----------------------------------------------------------------------Orders , copyrights, legalites if any. 9) Enjoy!!!! Well, what do you all think? From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:45 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 06:59:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgWYj-0002kH-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:59:21 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <430e35f1.34914f14@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:49:53 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Major Jamage (Bela Fleck and others) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"sLt-ZB.A.PGC.X_Uk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1842 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:59:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 6847d9545f440e386665e2150631eb8e Have you heard Bela with Sam Bush,Edgar Meyer, Mark O'Connor and Jerry Douglas on the CD, Strength In Numbers? MCA-6293 No looping, but major jamming. I have never heard bluegrass come so close to jazz and blues boogie/shuffle as this. All the instruments are acoustic and take on a phenominal blending of styles. Nuff' said take a listen to these guys, they are good! From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:48 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 07:23:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgWvr-0004km-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:23:15 -0800 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: Subject: Re: Looper CD: don't miss out Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:16:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15163975700170@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"VAaLnC.A.53D.OVVk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1843 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:23:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 6862c4b2537becf0676300b2528b419b My name was once on that list...I would still like to do it...Did I miss something? We are talking about the same project aren't we? ---------- > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Cc: Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: Looper CD: don't miss out > Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 8:29 PM > > At 04:39 PM 12/11/97 -0800, Marathon Records/Finley Sound Design wrote: > >Here's the list (it also appears at > >http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon/Looper_CD.html): > > > >ANET@aol.com > >Bret Moreland > >David Kirkdorffer > >Doug Michael > >Doug Pieren > >Frank Gerace > >Len Seligman > >Keenan Lawler > >Kevin > >Malhomme Olivier > >Mark B > >Markus Reuter > >Matt McCabe > >Matthias Grob > >Michael Peters > >Michael Preston > >Miguel Barella > >Mike Barman > >Mike Biffle > >Patrick Smith > >T.W. Hartnett > >Walt Blackler > > wow, great turn out! Looks like more than one cd! Are we going to start > plans for Looper's Delight Vol 3 then? > > kim > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 07:40:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgXCv-00060n-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:40:53 -0800 Message-ID: <349158F0.6F7DBCD6@sccs.santacruz.k12.ca.us> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:32:00 -0800 From: "Jim Taylor" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS:Echoplex $700 References: <8e4ef673.34911946@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_QyV0C.A.JOF.1mVk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1844 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:40:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 0cac5eddab6bd4f1a16cf716d449eed1 Ahanning, Yeah, the cost on JamMan is whatever you can get for them, usually people who have them know they can get 200 - 250 trade for them. At Guitar Center, ( where the guitar player in my band works in Pro Audio) they usually sell them ( if they can get them) for 25 to 45 over their cost. Again it depends on how much they get them for, and usually as a retro piece people want quite a bit (if people sell them at all). For a cheap one look in the papers for someone to trade or who really needs the money. Jim out. Ahanning wrote: > We've got a "MARS" music store opening up in my area - anyone had any success > stories in haggling prices down at one of these? > likewise, am looking for a Jamman or preferably echoplex, as cheap as cheap > can be. Anyone know what sort of mark up (roughly speaking) List price for a > big-ass store might be over cost to them? > TIA > Alex -- Jim Taylor LAN/WAN Specialist Santa Cruz City School District 2931 Mission St. Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 (408) 429 3848 From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 08:02:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgXXl-0007TE-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:02:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199712121546.HAA19104@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Proposal for the 3rd CD (Submissions on TAPE) March 31st deadline Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:59:21 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fsH2UB.A.0dG.c5Vk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1845 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:02:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a804911e4656e712d4fd54e962c120b > From: ANET > After having been a part of the 2nd CD project, I would like to make a > proposal for the > 3rd project. Many folks out there appeared to be interested in submitting > tapes. I think it's great if you want to do another CD with submissions on tape. Although, and I just say this because I'm cautious, you might want to wait and see if there is a demand for projects of this sort. In other words, will people buy the thing? Just a thought. Matt From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 08:15:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgXka-0000kY-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:15:40 -0800 From: KILLINFO Message-ID: <5bcab6b0.3491607e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:04:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"bM5nCB.A.xH.3FWk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1846 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:15:40 -0800 X-UIDL: a7ee09f7a7f4a52f20db502933c60218 Kim, Unfortunately I won't be able to make our little get together at NAMM again this year. Wish I was, but I'll be busy puttin' out the next set of catalogs at MF up here in Medford. Oh well, Maybe next year... Have fun Ted Killian PS) I prefer the Nashville show anyway. Same gear, less big hair/egos/attitudes and everything else on a more human scale. From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:49 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 08:44:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgugR-0006P6-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:44:55 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: bluegrass looping Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:20:15 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd0719$d498c340$643163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cMT8WB.A.6nF.-prk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1870 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:44:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 71709f4d538057e65bc25dff33ea0b08 Welcome Mike, I love a good harmonica! Be sure to let everyone here know if you have any demos or CDs coming out with a looped harmonica. I'd be very interested in getting a copy. Hey, Whatever happened to the Midimonica? Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Jane/Mike Stevens To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 5:54 PM Subject: Re: bluegrass looping > >>Hi folks, this is my first posting to the list although I have been >lurking for a yr or so.My name is Mike Stevens I play bluegrass for a living >with Jim and Jesse.I am a harmonica player wich is a nontraditional instr >for bluegrass ,but I have made some inroads with it.Anyhow I have been >looping for several years and recently recieved a grant from the Canadian >Arts Council to do a experimental recording that has some solo looping on >it. Bluegrass and looping is a great concept but the traditional audiences >would freak out ,there are shows I work that wont even allow an electric >bass on stage [pretty wierd] I would just like to say thanks to everyone for >the many things I have learned on this list. > Mike >> > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 08:48:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgYGh-0003P9-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:48:51 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199712121641.LAA03985@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: <@monmouth.com> To: Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:21:15 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LwaUGD.A.bjC.VlWk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1847 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:48:51 -0800 X-UIDL: d7b69aee9469337b66de1c275d6e3430 > > >lot of manufacturers don't want the general public to know what price > > >they're selling their products to retailers for.....ocaasionaly criticized for being exclusionary to > the consumer. In fact, it is sometimes characterized as a kind of Callous > Cabal of Capitalistic Chuckleheads scheming up ever more devious ways to > separate the starving musician from his/her last farthing. What it really > is is sore feet. here's my .02cents....regar0ding the issue of gear prices... How come in the last, say 20 years (or 30, etc) computer chips, electronic components, micro-wiring and soldering technology and technique, plastic, have all been greatly improved in quality and been slashed in price. Every consumer iterm that involves these components has become drastically, amazingly cheaper, yet vasly higher in quality, than 20 or 30 years back - clock radios, cassette decks, walkmans, VCRs, computers like the ones we're all on right now, etc. Yet musical gear, effects processors, many synths, tuners, etc all cost AS MUCH, sometimes MORE than they did years ago. Of course - many exceptions to the rule.... but in general, c'mon!!!! why do the people that support , yes, a smaller industry, hav to keep paying while the production costs go down for all these manufacturers??? is it just supply & demand ?? why does a BOSS TU12 tuner cost like $60-80 , just the same that it did 10 years ago??? Or most rackmount effects???again, there are lots of bargains out there, but, as anyone who has looked thru a blue book can see, musicians, who can sometimes least afford it, shoulder an odd set of pricing structures/strictures. I smell a rat. andre , wicked looper of the east > > From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:50 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 08:51:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgumQ-0006so-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:51:06 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Do you replace parts of loops? Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:45:21 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd071d$565fb200$643163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"famjtC.A.kHG.bvrk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1871 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:51:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 44aca11ea9becf86b362b7328f1cc740 Hello, This sounds like a very interesting thing to do. Is is possible to give specific instructions for this technique. I read the manual, but can't actually GET the process. Sorry to be technoslow...I think a "Echoplex For Dummies" is the manual I need. Thanks, Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 11:22 PM Subject: Do you replace parts of loops? >I just got fascinated again about the possiblility to replace parts of >longer loops while experiencing them. Within over 15 sec of loop you >probably like some bit better than the other. The bit you do not like (be >it a colour in your "wash" or a single cord in your sequence), you can >reduce with feedback or even replace straight away with a Replace function. >After listening to the loop enough, you know what you want to change and >thus let the whole idea grow. > >I prefer to use FeedBack for this, because it allows to fade or leave a bit >or the old stuff in the background. >Used smother it simply creates a dynamic wave of a previously constant sound. > >Do you all use such tricks? >For practicing/creating or as musical expression/composition in a final >version? > >Tell us more! > >Matthias > > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 09:00:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgYRs-0004Uw-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:00:24 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec12.105447cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:55:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Cheap Used Gear Sources In-Reply-To: <349158F0.6F7DBCD6@sccs.santacruz.k12.ca.us> References: <8e4ef673.34911946@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ww90YB.A.dqD.CxWk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1848 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:00:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 64deac0808a621b26adfaf7c6b7af79c Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com Lentines-www.lentine.com >Ahanning, >Yeah, the cost on JamMan is whatever you can get for them, usually people who >have them know they can get 200 - 250 trade for them. At Guitar Center, ( where >the guitar player in my band works in Pro Audio) they usually sell them ( if they >can get them) for 25 to 45 over their cost. >Again it depends on how much they get them for, and usually as a retro piece >people want quite a bit (if people sell them at all). For a cheap one look in >the papers for someone to trade or who really needs the money. > >Jim out. > > >Ahanning wrote: > >> We've got a "MARS" music store opening up in my area - anyone had any success >> stories in haggling prices down at one of these? >> likewise, am looking for a Jamman or preferably echoplex, as cheap as cheap >> can be. Anyone know what sort of mark up (roughly speaking) List price for a >> big-ass store might be over cost to them? >> TIA >> Alex > > > >-- >Jim Taylor >LAN/WAN Specialist >Santa Cruz City School District >2931 Mission St. Santa Cruz, Ca. 95060 >(408) 429 3848 > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 11:00:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 09:57:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgZKq-0001YR-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:57:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: RE: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:47:46 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"svnGl.A.vu.HkXk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1849 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:57:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 0dc6070bd7b122e671fda167532523ac >>>quote>>>>> > From: Andre Cholmodeley > Reply To: @monmouth.com > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 4:45 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! > > > > > >lot of manufacturers don't want the general public to know what > price > > > > >they're selling their products to retailers for.....ocaasionaly > criticized for being exclusionary to > > the consumer. In fact, it is sometimes characterized as a kind of > Callous > > Cabal of Capitalistic Chuckleheads scheming up ever more devious > ways to > > separate the starving musician from his/her last farthing. What it > really > > is is sore feet. > > here's my .02cents....regar0ding the issue of gear prices... > > How come in the last, say 20 years (or 30, etc) computer chips, > electronic > components, micro-wiring and soldering technology and technique, > plastic, > have all been greatly improved in quality and been slashed in price. > > Every consumer iterm that involves these components has become > drastically, > amazingly cheaper, yet vasly higher in quality, than 20 or 30 years > back - > clock radios, cassette decks, walkmans, VCRs, computers like the ones > we're > all on right now, etc. > > Yet musical gear, effects processors, many synths, tuners, etc all > cost AS > MUCH, sometimes MORE than they did years ago. Of course - many > exceptions > to the rule.... but in general, c'mon!!!! why do the people that > support , > yes, a smaller industry, hav to keep paying while the production costs > go > down for all these manufacturers??? is it just supply & demand ?? why > does > a BOSS TU12 tuner cost like $60-80 , just the same that it did 10 > years > ago??? Or most rackmount effects???again, there are lots of bargains > out > there, but, as anyone who has looked thru a blue book can see, > musicians, > who can sometimes least afford it, shoulder an odd set of pricing > structures/strictures. > > I smell a rat. > > andre , wicked looper of the east > > >>>> end quote>>> > Your model of cost doesn't include R&D. That cost is spread out over the life of the unit. That's why new stuff costs more and then later drops in price. How a company recoups R&D depends on how they perceive demand. There is a balance between trying to recoup costs and pricing yourself out of the market. Electronics for music will cost more than VCRs and home stereo because of the lower demand and less opportunity for the vendor to recoup their cost and make a profit. That's why effect processors have not dropped in price as much as home electronics. Our job as musicians is to show how useful these devices are and increase demand and lower costs for all. Demand will lower costs more than any break through in manufacturing and electronics. Just passing on one of the more interesting lectures in my Graduate school Computer Architecture class/ (VPI class of 96) later John From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 09:55:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgvmp-0002uO-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:55:35 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:48:49 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd0726$34247c80$433163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7I0vhC.A.XVC.Jssk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1876 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:55:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 56b059f9a3681590cf0b0dc869f6dc68 Hello, OK last post for awhile. I have to agree here. I pd $80 for me and my GF to hear him play here in San Antonio. I arrived on time and Mr. Frippenormous had started playing an hour before the show was suppossed to start. Guess that's cool somewhere??? I heard him do this minimal thing for 2 MINUTES, then leave. All I got for $80 was VAI/and the other guy, sigh... Hey, Robert, if you are listening, I want my money back!!! Email me for my address. You owe me!!! Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: ANET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 1997 11:18 AM Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? >Hey, I've heard so much about Fripp, in fact I went out and bought That Which >Passes. Boooooooooooooooooooo, I'll sell it for $5.00 to anyone and pay the >shipping. > >My feelings on Fripp at the moment are not good, and now he stops when a flash >goes off? What a luxury, play music for a living and have an attitude as >well. I know, paparazzi are everywhere right? > >Am I missing something? > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 10:59:24 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 01:37:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgRWt-0000p9-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:37:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971212111024.3c772fee@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:24 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show In-Reply-To: <97Dec11.164143cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FkiHyC.A.AZ.FTQk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1839 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:37:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 27c5816815edc14fd15d47c5db7efea2 Tom: >Michael, where are you ever going to hear a Vortex if there are no Dealers? Recording made by endorsers. Demo CDs, or demo tracks on the covers of magazines. I have never played a Vortex, never seen one, but I have come very close to buying one on a number of occasions. Like most people in the UK (well, lots certainly) I buy by mailorder. However, if there was somewhere I could go to try all the latest gear I might find it easier to make that decision. >Who is going to check the credit status and invoice and collect from every >single consumer that calls up to order direct? What will shipping costs be if >every unit is sold and shipped to an individual? Who will repair/service the >units? Well, Musician's Friend manage it, and make a profit into the bargain... ...remove the middleman, take out that profit margin, help starving musicians... ;) >Guitar Center and their fellow retail establishments are exactly the right >places to mass market the Vortex (or Boomerang, or Echoplex, or whatever...) >because that's where guitar players go to buy gear. OK, in the US I guess. Fair enough, point taken. >Limiting access to only those who can fly to LA or Nashville or Frankfurt to >actually hear the unit, or selling it direct over the Internet (25 million >users, but how many of them are musicians?) is not the way to launch a product, >and would not have saved the Vortex. I suppose I feel it's strange because the European fairs, principally Frankfurt but with smaller ones in the UK and I presume other countries, have public days. One thing this allows is for the public to try kit which is pretty obscure, and unlikely to appear in your next-door store. Like custom manufacturers - f.e. allowing people to try a Klein without spending $2000!!! >Maybe he/she needs to charge more for their product!!:) Don't EVER tell them that! The thing is, because the UK is smaller there isn't the need for a trade show like that - a rep. can drive from one end of the country to the other in 10 hours, so company reps get to deal directly with dealers at their stores. >I can't speak for Carvin, since my background is in retail sales and (now) >manufacturing. When talking about US product for sale in the EU, you must >include VAT, shipping, tariffs, etc. to the price. I know. This is probably all sour grapes on my behalf, from someone left out when you guys get into big gear discussions... sniff... Kim: >That's what marketing campaigns in magazines and in store clinics and >displays are for. Sigh... store clinics with famous people. I've heard about them... Here it's The Marshall Roadshow - with Phil Hilbourne! Who? Exactly. >At a tradeshow it's like this: An important dealer comes >up. He's busy, got a lot to do that day, you spend 5-10 minutes discussing >the products in the booth with him. He knods, says, "I'll buy 50 of those, >100 of those, let's do the order now." Papers signed, he's gone. Is this really not possible over the phone? If they spend so little time with the gear and can't touch it anyway, why bother getting them together? >Then along >comes some 22 year old who probably works in a shoe store. He asks detailed >questions for an hour and a half, plays all the gear badly while others are >waiting, and eventually wanders away and probably never buys anything at >all. Ok. I admit it. That's me. ;) Michael From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:01:49 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 13:33:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgcho-0004T8-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:33:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971212143154.006bd318@bandanacomputer.com> X-Sender: bandanac@bandanacomputer.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:31:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: George Henry Subject: Re: Major Jamage (Bela Fleck and others) In-Reply-To: <430e35f1.34914f14@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o7m_xC.A.jQD.rsak0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1850 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:33:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 065936ab342659ec5da2b6ad100744f0 At 09:49 AM 12/12/97 EST, ANET wrote: >Have you heard Bela with Sam Bush, Edgar Meyer, Mark O'Connor and Jerry Douglas >on the CD, Strength In Numbers? MCA-6293 > >No looping, but major jamming. I have never heard bluegrass come so close to >jazz and blues boogie/shuffle as this. All the instruments are acoustic and >take on a phenominal blending of styles. > >Nuff' said take a listen to these guys, they are good! > Well, it's a unrelentingly stringy album--all stringed instruments--which is a little hard to get used to (read: borderline to overwhelming), and possibly one reason Strength in Numbers only survived as a band long enough to release one CD. The music itself (disregarding the feeling of being strung up by one's ears) is eggsellent. Bela, Sam, Edgar, Mark, and Jerry are probably all progressive and experimental enough to introduce looping to bluegrass. I just don't know if bluegrass audiences are ready for it.... George Henry ------------ If no one here remembers me, that's okay. I've been away for a while. Now they're letting me out on weekends, when I behave well. From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:00 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 14:02:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgdAQ-0007iu-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:02:42 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971212215407.00a07034@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:54:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: bluegrass looping Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"6rbQaD.A.dQG.2Jbk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1852 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:02:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 9bfd4ebc0c84333a10eebe54f2527e3f At 02:31 PM 12/12/97 -0500, George Henry wrote: >At 09:49 AM 12/12/97 EST, ANET wrote: >Bela, Sam, Edgar, Mark, and Jerry are probably all progressive and >experimental enough to introduce looping to bluegrass. I just don't know if >bluegrass audiences are ready for it.... > >George Henry >------------ I don't know about audiences, but in my days of demoing echoplexes I had quite a few bluegrass players express a lot of interest. I'm not remarkably familiar with bluegrass myself, but it seems that the music does make frequent use of repeating motifs that might work great with looping. And then there's Chet Atkins and Phil Keaggy (do they qualify as bluegrass? I don't even know), who have both made use of looping in their music. anybody know other examples? Any bluegrass players here who can comment? kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 14:17:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgdOc-0001cB-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:17:22 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A96@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Korg DL8000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:10:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"oW99o.A.Sv.0Ybk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1853 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:17:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b03379a48058811edc5708fd4a191cb If anyone going to NAMM can check out the new Korg 10-second Votex/Looper hybrid DL8000 - I'd love to hear what it's like... David Kirkdorffer UNDO -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 1997 8:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? ok, right, this was the original question, before we got sidetracked into general bashing of the show itself. So who wants to do a looper get-together at the show? I know damn well some of you are going. :-) kim At 07:13 PM 12/11/97 -0500, Pete Gilbert wrote: >----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 05:31 >Subject: Who's going to NAMM? > > >>The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a >>little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it >>again this year? >> >>kim >> > >my compadres, Wes and Steve, should be there playing Sticks and Zendrum >and looping at the Zendrum booth (at least, I think that Wes will be taking >his >jamman). If you get a chance, stop by and say hi. My schedule won't let me >make >it to the left coast. > >pete gilbert > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 15:48:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgeod-00022d-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:48:19 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A99@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FYI -- Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:41:01 -0500 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"anRY0.A.MEB.Htck0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1854 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:48:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 77e36833883e5e7e40ad398356483005 FYI Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues I advise checking in as soon as the doors open. That's when he's liable to start - if not earlier - regardless of stated show time. Tix are $15 Not well publicized. But, if you're in the arae... Woooooosshhh! David Kirkdorffer UNDO From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 15:53:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgete-0002bl-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:53:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:49:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199712122349.SAA04060@sleepy.ebtech.net> X-Sender: stevens@mail.ebtech.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: stevens@ebtech.net (Jane/Mike Stevens) Subject: Re: bluegrass looping X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <"13L4f.A.UmB.Eyck0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1855 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:53:30 -0800 X-UIDL: d857c4188912dbb8c473b9088cf1d61b >Hi folks, this is my first posting to the list although I have been lurking for a yr or so.My name is Mike Stevens I play bluegrass for a living with Jim and Jesse.I am a harmonica player wich is a nontraditional instr for bluegrass ,but I have made some inroads with it.Anyhow I have been looping for several years and recently recieved a grant from the Canadian Arts Council to do a experimental recording that has some solo looping on it. Bluegrass and looping is a great concept but the traditional audiences would freak out ,there are shows I work that wont even allow an electric bass on stage [pretty wierd] I would just like to say thanks to everyone for the many things I have learned on this list. Mike > From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 15:59:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgezd-0003HW-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:59:41 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A9B@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:55:42 -0500 X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"BwxSqD.A.FiC.q6ck0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1856 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:59:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 67c366c88ff76417d5bd4d4f4e6ee84a Oh yes - Without defending or justifying it -- reports are that at recent Crimson off-shoot shows for ProjeKt One - FLASH PHOTO's have caused great upset to the Fripp-most. He has stopped playing - or talking when a FLASH goes off. So, PLEASE - **NO FLASH PHOTO'S** - or he may stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop... David Kirkdorffer UNDO -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 6:41 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: FYI -- Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues Importance: High FYI Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues I advise checking in as soon as the doors open. That's when he's liable to start - if not earlier - regardless of stated show time. Tix are $15 Not well publicized. But, if you're in the arae... Woooooosshhh! David Kirkdorffer UNDO From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 16:09:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgf91-0004Gg-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:09:23 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec12.180052cst.26893@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:01:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: bluegrass looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NiZjv.A.WKD.iAdk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1857 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:09:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c4d5d8635193943c6d21dfd3e8b94b5 Welcome Mike- I recommend everyone buy a Jim and Jesse album for the simple reason that you probably have nothing like it in your collection and they are the real thing. No loops, just soul. Just a shameless plug for my pals at the Original Acoustic Instrument Division of Gibson AKA Bluegrass Division: We are opening a manufacturing plant/museum/restaurant early next year here in Nashville. I encourage all Bluegrass fans to stop by and slap a tongue around some grits and greens and ogle somehistorical Gibson acoustic instruments. Y'all come!! Tom At 05:49 PM 12/12/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>Hi folks, this is my first posting to the list although I have been >lurking for a yr or so.My name is Mike Stevens I play bluegrass for a living >with Jim and Jesse.I am a harmonica player wich is a nontraditional instr >for bluegrass ,but I have made some inroads with it.Anyhow I have been >looping for several years and recently recieved a grant from the Canadian >Arts Council to do a experimental recording that has some solo looping on >it. Bluegrass and looping is a great concept but the traditional audiences >would freak out ,there are shows I work that wont even allow an electric >bass on stage [pretty wierd] I would just like to say thanks to everyone for >the many things I have learned on this list. > Mike >> > > > > From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 00:42:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgn9v-0004KZ-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:42:51 -0800 Message-ID: <349203A5.160B@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:40:21 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: References: <34924143.A7E72043@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3XTkpB.A.DjD.plkk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1865 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:42:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 7fbae0745ca6f4ded9d94a07d34ad133 Mark has a very good point (and some other cat posted along the same lines a few days back-how many folks in the crowd can actually percieve a lot of stereo effects?) but at the same time, as I said, there are a bunch of Vortex effects (like 3/7 echoes) which sound way more like music if there are quarter note triplet echoes coming from one place and septuplet echoes coming from another, not to mention the possibilities for panning a lead a la Pete Cosey. I enjoy hearing an unmiked ensemble for many reasons, not least because I can walk around the venue and experience a varied mix/EQ. I think playing stereo can offer a similar experience. I hate hearing a band where they use the PA to overpower the room sound only to replace it with fake ambience. If I use some stadium souding delay, it's to make a point, not because I rely on the illusion that I'm playing in a hockey arena instead of a dive bar in order to sound cool. BTW, after some inquiries at the joint I usually play, it became clear to me that, though most consoles are stereo capable, it is the setup of crossovers and power amps that makes most small clubs mono only. I have no idea if this bit o' info will do anyone any good, but I thought I'd pass it along. Even though there may be matching speaker stacks on each side of the stage, folks are not stereo nor can they be w/o much more hardware. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:27 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 20:46:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgjTE-0000Fp-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:46:32 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971213043924.00a26290@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:39:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"_aEsTD.A.BFH.zFhk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1859 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:46:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c6829abbcd1c4de2702c697d5d4c9bd At 11:10 AM 12/12/97, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >>Who is going to check the credit status and invoice and collect from every >>single consumer that calls up to order direct? What will shipping costs be >if >every unit is sold and shipped to an individual? Who will >repair/service the >units? > >Well, Musician's Friend manage it, and make a profit into the bargain... >...remove the middleman, take out that profit margin, help starving >musicians... ;) well, Musician's Friend is a middle man, right? Besides, I never thought their prices were that great, so their profit margin must be larger? or did you mean Carvin? >>Guitar Center and their fellow retail establishments are exactly the right >>places to mass market the Vortex (or Boomerang, or Echoplex, or >whatever...) >because that's where guitar players go to buy gear. > >OK, in the US I guess. Fair enough, point taken. You don't have Guitar Center there, yet? You poor guy. ;-) >I suppose I feel it's strange because the European fairs, principally >Frankfurt but with smaller ones in the UK and I presume other countries, >have public days. One thing this allows is for the public to try kit which >is pretty obscure, and unlikely to appear in your next-door store. Like >custom manufacturers - f.e. allowing people to try a Klein without spending >$2000!!! At the public days in Frankfurt, I'm relatively sure that Lorenzo doesn't let many people touch the Kleins. It really is a madhouse. >Kim: >>That's what marketing campaigns in magazines and in store clinics and >>displays are for. > >Sigh... store clinics with famous people. I've heard about them... >Here it's The Marshall Roadshow - with Phil Hilbourne! Who? Exactly. What? you can't get Oasis to stop by? >>At a tradeshow it's like this: An important dealer comes >>up. He's busy, got a lot to do that day, you spend 5-10 minutes discussing >>the products in the booth with him. He knods, says, "I'll buy 50 of those, >>100 of those, let's do the order now." Papers signed, he's gone. > >Is this really not possible over the phone? If they spend so little time >with the gear and can't touch it anyway, why bother getting them together? It's the free liquor and big parties with famous people. You get a lot more sales that way, and its not the same over the phone. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 20:53:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgjZn-0000mY-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:53:19 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971213044849.0089c44c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:48:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! Resent-Message-ID: <"bd6CAD.A.DY.nOhk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1860 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:53:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 2953c92f32f3a2112dabeb61d007867d At 11:21 AM 12/12/97 -0500, Andre Cholmodeley wrote: having had the the mind jarring experience of designing products for the music industry and then switching to designing products for the PC industry, I guess I can answer this one..... >here's my .02cents....regar0ding the issue of gear prices... > >How come in the last, say 20 years (or 30, etc) computer chips, electronic >components, micro-wiring and soldering technology and technique, plastic, >have all been greatly improved in quality and been slashed in price. > >Every consumer iterm that involves these components has become drastically, >amazingly cheaper, yet vasly higher in quality, than 20 or 30 years back - >clock radios, cassette decks, walkmans, VCRs, computers like the ones we're >all on right now, etc. The key difference between the products you've listed and music industry products is volume. As an example, Compaq computer sells well over 1 million PCs a month. In 8 hours they will sell more PCs than than the total combined looper sales of Lexicon and Oberheim ever. Before the end of the week they will have eclipsed the yearly sales of the entire effects processor segment of the music industry. By the end of the month their sales would have exceeded the yearly sales of the entire music industry. There is a very dramatic difference in pricing at every single production step when you are dealing with million piece pricing, as the PC and consumer electronics industry does, and 100-1000 piece pricing like you would in the music industry. Your manufacturing costs alone can easily change by a factor of 5 or more. And for a lot of the manufacturing techniques you've listed, the vendors won't even talk to you unless you're doing very large volumes. They have huge capital investments in the manufacturing equipment and are not interested in dealing with small players. When you do use those technologies at low volumes, they are not at all cheap because the up-front charge will be quite high. With large volumes, you have access to manufacturing capacity anywhere in the world. Products I design now are being built and sold by a number of large south-east Asian computer and peripheral companies. They get amazingly low manufacturing costs, presumably by using manufacturing vendors in the asian backwaters, using prison labor or slaves or whatever they do. Vendors like that don't work with you unless you can guarantee huge volumes, which the music industry can't come close to. There is also a huge difference in quality. Music Industry manufacturers will generally try to use good quality components, and circuit designs that emphasize quality over cost. The PC and consumer electronics industries are the other way around. They don't care if the sound quality sucks. They use the cheapest jacks, the cheapest capacitors, the cheapest opamps, cheapes ADC/DAC's, cheapest everything. Cost is *ALL* that matters. This is usually appalling to the audio engineer in me, but the reality is that they get away with selling poor quality garbage to people because at the right price people can be convinced to buy it. Those of us who do care just try to do the best designs we can within those constraints, and lobby Microsoft to make the audio requirements for windows logoing more strict. Regardless, the directive in high volume consumer products is always to achieve the minimum quality you can get away with at the lowest cost. That's usually not the point with music gear! And then there's the overhead of running a manufacturing company. If you are only going to sell a few thousand units a year, you need to make quite a bit of money on each one just to pay phone bills, rent, salaries, etc. You can't exist on 5% margins like companies selling 20 million units a year. So the price is going to be higher. Basically, it's not appropriate to compare products oriented towards a small niche market with products mass marketed to general consumers. Music industry products are basically professional/industrial equipment, more closely related to professional video or camera gear, or medical instruments, or factory control systems or whatever. The relationship to things like walkmans and clock radios pretty much ends after "they both make sound." >Yet musical gear, effects processors, many synths, tuners, etc all cost AS >MUCH, sometimes MORE than they did years ago. Of course - many exceptions >to the rule.... but in general, c'mon!!!! why do the people that support , >yes, a smaller industry, hav to keep paying while the production costs go >down for all these manufacturers??? is it just supply & demand ?? why does >a BOSS TU12 tuner cost like $60-80 , just the same that it did 10 years >ago??? Or most rackmount effects???again, there are lots of bargains out >there, but, as anyone who has looked thru a blue book can see, musicians, >who can sometimes least afford it, shoulder an odd set of pricing >structures/strictures. That's not really true, actually. Pricing in the music industry works the same as pricing in every other industry. You have well defined price points where products will be introduced. Those prices remain the same from year to year and will not change. What changes is the feature set and quality available at a given price. In the case of rack mount effects, you can easily chart huge changes in any given price point over the past 10-15 years. Try $450. 10 years ago you might have been able to get a unit that just did delay, or just reverb, at fairly low quality, limited features, and very poor digital audio if it had it. 5 years ago you would have gotten something like a quadraverb, with a DSP processor, multiple effects with so-so quality, and better digital audio than before. The same price today gets you a much more powerful DSP processor, many more effects with much better routing capability and better parameter control, and much better quality digital audio. Shit, compare a 1987-era sampler from emu or akai with one produced now. the differences are staggering! As far as your $80 tuner, there are two possibilities. One is that it probably does cost the same to make it as it did 10 years ago. Same old parts, same old price. It's quite likely that their 10 year old design is still cheaper than anything possible with any newer technology for the same level of performance. And secondly, as long as there are people buying it for $80 then that is what it is worth, regardless of the cost to make it. When people stop buying it for that price, or someone makes one just as good for less that takes the market share, Boss will find a way to lower their price. Until then you pay $80. It looks like we'll be stuck with capitalism for the forseeable future, so that's how it works.... And having worked in the industry, I have to laugh at the notion of musicians being poor and starving. Your typical buyer of music gear is either a professional musician, who will be doing just fine if he/she is any good, a hobbyist who has another job paying for his/her hobby, or a kid with well-off parents. The fact of the matter is that all that expensive gear does sell, and it usually sells very well. Nothing made that more clear to me than working at Gibson. People are always moaning about Gibson guitars being overpriced and not worth it, yet somehow Gibson manages to sell a hell of a lot of guitars! They can price custom shop guitar models at $25,000 and sell the entire run before they even start making them! So keep in mind that while a piece of gear might be out of your price range, it's not out of everbody's. Manufacturers are quite aware of that and target products towards buyers with differing quanites of disposable income. Starving musicians usually don't buy gear at any price, so nobody bothers making much for them. hmmm, maybe I should try doing some work today.....:-) kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 21:16:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgjwW-00021G-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:16:48 -0800 X-From_:matthias@bahianet.com.br Fri Dec 12 21:16:41 1997 Received: from bonfim.bahianet.com.br [200.254.32.35] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgjwJ-0001x7-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:16:38 -0800 Received: from [200.254.32.122] (dial022.bahianet.com.br) by bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Netscape Mail Server v2.01) with ESMTP id AAC222 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:13:13 -0200 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Old-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:20:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Do you use Quantize? X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:16:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a4743e6f0a31e390f2e62f3ef4a1ce0 From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 21:38:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgkHw-0003hu-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:38:56 -0800 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <6820f146.34921cde@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:27:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg DL8000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"J-Z75B.A.7JD.h5hk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1863 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:38:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e18b05a7a5b5b9629d0c85a21c70b67 <> According to Korg, this should be appearing in stores NOW, altho neither SamAsh nor MF have yet seen it. dpc From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 21:22:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgk1n-0002Xv-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:22:15 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9711098816.AA881690229@ccbbn5.dttus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:20:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Resent-Message-ID: <"aH3yDB.A.D2B.rohk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1861 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:22:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f7ad9257d893f9683e0ac5f5bb6ecbe > >... Most PA's on the club level are in mono, and soundmen don't want >to be bothered with mic'ing two cabinets. mono? I thought that only existed down here in 3. World? As soon as you use audible reverb, I think stereo is a must. For bands with many members its the only way to make all audible. Matthias From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 21:21:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgk1M-0002VC-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:21:48 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:20:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Do you replace parts of loops? Resent-Message-ID: <"iEls4D.A.h2B.uohk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1862 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:21:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 868f0c60f13a53b6daf97ba8b799d0c8 I just got fascinated again about the possiblility to replace parts of longer loops while experiencing them. Within over 15 sec of loop you probably like some bit better than the other. The bit you do not like (be it a colour in your "wash" or a single cord in your sequence), you can reduce with feedback or even replace straight away with a Replace function. After listening to the loop enough, you know what you want to change and thus let the whole idea grow. I prefer to use FeedBack for this, because it allows to fade or leave a bit or the old stuff in the background. Used smother it simply creates a dynamic wave of a previously constant sound. Do you all use such tricks? For practicing/creating or as musical expression/composition in a final version? Tell us more! Matthias From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 02:02:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 12 23:59:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgmU3-0001f9-00; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:59:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34924143.A7E72043@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:03:16 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGa3g.A.iUB.E8jk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1864 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:59:35 -0800 X-UIDL: d37d43ee74b3d82f6c530af6a466e388 Matthias Grob wrote: > > > >... Most PA's on the club level are in mono, and soundmen don't want > >to be bothered with mic'ing two cabinets. > > mono? I thought that only existed down here in 3. World? > > As soon as you use audible reverb, I think stereo is a must. > For bands with many members its the only way to make all audible. > > Matthias Got to disagree with you there Matthias. As a professional sound engineer, I will tell you that stereo is definitely NOT what you want in live sound. The reason is that when you do a mix in stereo, you create a "sweet spot" where the sound is correctly balanced between left and right. Everywhere else the mix is wrong. Because the sweet spot is so small (compared to most clubs/auditoriums) only a small number of people, near the sound person, will here what is intended. Most PA cabinets come with horns that disperse the high frequency information (any wave length that's greater than the distance between your ears {bass} is not perceived as stereo) so that everyone can hear a proper balance. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 03:45:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 03:40:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgpvt-0007HR-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:40:33 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199712131135.GAA29321@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: <@monmouth.com> To: Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:24:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YaPq0C.A.QYG.kMnk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1866 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:40:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 54de3c3f7efa21434c2f524da90bb1aa kim, points well taken. i knew there was SOME reason for this phenomenon. thanks, eastern andre' From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 05:47:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgruM-0004Mc-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:47:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:40:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712131340.IAA28245@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: FS: Deltalab ADM 1030 Resent-Message-ID: <"_XL6sB.A.peD.eBpk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1867 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:47:06 -0800 X-UIDL: d9ef851b2c6836cd1d716b5bbf8b32cb I received a post following a query on htis vintage piece FS on the Net: I've blown my toy budget for two years in two months--seems to me someone was looking for a Deltalab piece awhile back--four memorise sound interesting tho only 1 sec loops .. . altho playing around with my newly acquired RDS 8000, it is vey cool to be able to twek short loops with lovely, tactile KNOBS in real time (not to mention chorus, flange etc. Seller wants $ 125 and freight drone on~~~Tom >>Return-Path: >Errors-To: >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:43:51 -0500 (EST) >X-Sender: chespope@pop.inch.com >To: Tom Lambrecht >From: chespope@inch.com (Chad) >Subject: Re: Deltalab ADM 1030 > >Well it has a little more than a one second delay. and all the >milliseconds in between. there are 7 buttons on the front to get you in >the ballpark of the delay time you need. then fine tune with the dial in >REAL time. The memory locations work in conjunktion with the buttons. >You make yur setup adjust LFO speed and depth etc. hit memory and one of >the 4 memory buttons and it remembers all the parameters but the "ballpark" >button. But its cool to see what the other delay factors sound like this >way. Hit the "ballpark" and your bak in bidniz. It needs a new 9volt for >this though. just unscreew the cover and pop it in. one rack pace , >internal power supply , no dings , studio use only and its BLUE (cool) > >e-mail back any Q's > >---- >Chad > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 01:42:52 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 19:25:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh4gh-0002VA-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:25:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971213092002.00693e24@pop.flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:20:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? In-Reply-To: <41116e25.3492c0c7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9EdWMB.A.ACC.aD1k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1894 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:25:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 4e9d1c554267ba3ce44dc5eac4bc57a4 At 12:07 PM 12/13/97 EST, you wrote: > >Am I missing something? > > > yes John Beard www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:48 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 08:07:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgu6P-0004N6-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:07:41 -0800 X-From_:matthias@bahianet.com.br Sat Dec 13 08:07:39 1997 Received: from bonfim.bahianet.com.br [200.254.32.35] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgu6L-0004M9-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:07:37 -0800 Received: from [200.254.32.104] (dial004.bahianet.com.br) by bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Netscape Mail Server v2.01) with ESMTP id AAA230 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:04:32 -0200 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Old-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:11:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Do you use Quantize? X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:07:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c4ee6eece822db93ee61e1158ac44bf From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:52 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 09:19:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgvDa-0000QD-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:19:10 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <38b38ba4.3492bfab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:02:33 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: bluegrass looping and music links to other loopers examples. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"n32FBB.A.EF.CLsk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1873 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:19:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 620b21bdb81cce87ee966fcab84152e8 Hey Terry Spaulding; Kim sent me a note yesterday stating that he is always looking for volunteers to the site and a lot of folks are making recommendations to good stuff that they know about. I have always thought that get down to local levels really exposes the true music to be found and I am sure there is more true music out there than what we hear over the airwaves. Wouldn't it be nice to add links to folks that know about this stuff of which we could sample? Just an Idea, I don't think loopers-delight has that yet. It would be an excellent add-on. See Ya, Hey do you like fried okra and black-eyed peas? (me too) From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:46 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 08:04:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgu3l-0004DP-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:04:57 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34924143.A7E72043@mailbox.syr.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:03:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Resent-Message-ID: <"mpi7sB.A.JpD.eDrk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1868 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:04:57 -0800 X-UIDL: e52d1530ba5a4e3adea9920e734d41bf >Matthias Grob wrote: >> mono? I thought that only existed down here in 3. World? >> >> As soon as you use audible reverb, I think stereo is a must. >> For bands with many members its the only way to make all audible. >> >> Matthias > Mark: >Got to disagree with you there Matthias. As a professional sound >engineer, I will tell you that stereo is definitely NOT what you want in >live sound. The reason is that when you do a mix in stereo, you create >a "sweet spot" where the sound is correctly balanced between left and >right. Everywhere else the mix is wrong. Because the sweet spot is so >small (compared to most clubs/auditoriums) only a small number of >people, near the sound person, will here what is intended. Most PA >cabinets come with horns that disperse the high frequency information >(any wave length that's greater than the distance between your ears >{bass} is not perceived as stereo) so that everyone can hear a proper >balance. Thats about what people tell me here, too (to justify the economy of a second crossover :-) I do quite a lot of stage work, too, and don't find the sweet spot that small. Of course I never mix radical, putting an instrument all to one side (even in recordings, I do not like one tom left, the other right or two mics of a piano totaly open paned), but a little paning helps the listener because through the sense of orientation he can listen to the instrument he is interested in. In case of several voices it especially helps to percieve the full harmony. Also, somewhat out of the center axis, you get phase canceling due to the different distances to the two cabinets. If the signal is not exactly the same, because you do some minor paning, this filter effect even adds to the "liveness" of the sound. If the system is mono, the canceling can be very annoying, especially if the person is dancing and the cancelled frequencies change with the movements. Once the equipment is mono, I prefer to have all cabinets on one side. I was especially speaking of reverb: Mono reverb comes to me as a confusing wash, while it creates space in stereo even for the listener that is pretty much outside of the stereo listening range because it works through the whole pattern of reflexions that circulate in the room. Well, thats how I hear it, and people like "my sound" :-) Matthias From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:51 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 09:18:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgvDA-0000Nf-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:18:44 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <41116e25.3492c0c7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:07:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"osTmv.A.gTH.fJsk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1872 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:18:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 3504a760d9faa3c452875ff35f3e50c5 Hey, I've heard so much about Fripp, in fact I went out and bought That Which Passes. Boooooooooooooooooooo, I'll sell it for $5.00 to anyone and pay the shipping. My feelings on Fripp at the moment are not good, and now he stops when a flash goes off? What a luxury, play music for a living and have an attitude as well. I know, paparazzi are everywhere right? Am I missing something? From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:48 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 08:12:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xguBO-0004hK-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:12:50 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:12:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Do you use Quantize? Resent-Message-ID: <"ucjn2B.A.QKE.dMrk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1869 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:12:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 0552ec6d36f5a35d4ffd12dd90d1aa0d I don't, so I wonder... From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:53 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 09:28:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgvMD-0001Dy-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:28:05 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <8a76642b.3492c45e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:22:30 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Major Jamage (Bela Fleck and others) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"3nPAYB.A.f3.eTsk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1874 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:28:05 -0800 X-UIDL: be541d30606252f301ed7e1a6691d9fd In a message dated 97-12-13 02:52:19 EST, you write: > > Bela, Sam, Edgar, Mark, and Jerry are probably all progressive and > experimental enough to introduce looping to bluegrass. I just don't know if > bluegrass audiences are ready for it.... > > Point well taken. I know I have sufferred from musical arrogance in my past as well. Too bad though, people miss so much by having a closed mind. Strength in Numbers was indeed a stringy CD. Have a good one! From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 09:54:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgvlK-0002lK-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:54:02 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:39:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: bluegrass looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"RCuimC.A.WRC.drsk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1875 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:54:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 42fde606df5e6dbb84e9ae06c1f8d1f2 In a message dated 97-12-13 03:15:13 EST, you write: > > I don't know about audiences, but in my days of demoing echoplexes I had > quite a few bluegrass players express a lot of interest. I'm not remarkably > familiar with bluegrass myself, but it seems that the music does make > frequent use of repeating motifs that might work great with looping. And > then there's Chet Atkins and Phil Keaggy (do they qualify as bluegrass? I > don't even know), who have both made use of looping in their music. > I didn't know that Chet had some looping stuff out there, do anyone know what it is and if it's good? As far as Phil Keaggy, I have followed his stuff since 1975. He has gone through many changes. In 73 he cut a record with a family in California named Herring, the album was name 2nd Chapter of Acts. At that point he was a very bright inprov. rocker with a sound that received many eyebrow raisings in the Christian world (rock in the church? God forbid). By 79 he had made quite an additional number or recordings, some of which were too stylistic of Keaggy, in fact some folks had names for his licks - Keaggy-isms. They were fast appegiated sweeps across, sideways and up and down everywhere. Then he hit the acoustic scene discovering alternate tunings of which increased his appegiated music approach. Then the jamman came into play, of which I saw him twice with that set up. Incredible sound! He would switch from Acoustic to Electric, but I had always thought the acoustic was his best instrument. As far as a category? Christian-rocker-classical-acoustic-appegiated-scalar-monster gone soft? If you haven't heard him and Christian based content does not bother you, take a listen. He's good. From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 10:16:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgw7H-00040D-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:16:43 -0800 From: Andre Cholmodeley Message-Id: <199712131812.NAA24878@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: <@monmouth.com> To: Subject: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:08:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ae1e4B.A.KeD.bAtk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1877 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:16:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 12cba1a33d1e4ba9eed004ff7f45c77f ok, i'll weigh in on the frippbash.... though as many do, i love the man and his music. he's one of my biggest influences and has written some of the sickest stuff - 70s, 80s, 90s!!!! but - i like to kick my heroes... this story tho, is about a good friend.... back during the League of Gentlemen tour, Fripp had the concept that it was a "dance" band of sorts, so thet booked into places that were dance halls, open seatless spaces, etc. He wanted you to DANCE, dammit. So my friend , who is an amazing guitarist and fripp-head, got right to up the the front of the stage, basically front row, and hung out near fripp to enjoy his playing, technique, music. But he wasn't dancing. After several songs, (and i paraphrase) Fripp leaned forward and hissed "why aren't you dancing !? You're being a vampire !!!" This is for dancing, stop sucking up my energy !!!" So - i think the guy just has a real planned out life (read any liner notes of the late 70s early 80s) what are ya gonna do?? he's a genius. just a cranky one, that's all. peace, andre' From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:57 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 11:21:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgx8F-00007v-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:21:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:23:47 -0400 To: From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? Resent-Message-ID: <"5S6kq.A.zGH.R9tk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1878 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:21:47 -0800 X-UIDL: d88cbe76646bfa9b81f746ff53418712 I saw Fripp last night in Philly ... he never broke a sweat, presented himself as some judgemental overlord, and completed the evening by having a mutual masturbatory session with some members of the audience over the idiosyncracies of "Crim" factoids. His playing was mediocre and it was more commercial than most anything I've heard in the genre ... commercial in that he was selling TC Electronic, Eventide, and Roland products through a constant manipulation of them. He announced at the beginning that he didn't see the music as "precious" and that people should feel free to do what they want ... mill around and talk. It was probably the most precious event I can recall being. His use of loops and high-end gear is notable, however there is nothing more flat than an artist who demands an audience find something to appreciate in the repeated use of the same motifs, sounds and movement over a protracted period of time and then tell you he is not being precious. It was all art as commerce without substance. To end the evening, he let everyone know that, "though he would not sully his hands in commerce", he did have Fedx'd in a large supply of CDs that he was selling ... but that his assistant would be doing that. He was an asshole. >ok, i'll weigh in on the frippbash.... though as many do, i love the man >and his music. he's one of my biggest influences and has written some of >the sickest stuff - 70s, 80s, 90s!!!! > >but - i like to kick my heroes... this story tho, is about a good >friend.... > >back during the League of Gentlemen tour, Fripp had the concept that it was >a "dance" band of sorts, so thet booked into places that were dance halls, >open seatless spaces, etc. He wanted you to DANCE, dammit. > >So my friend , who is an amazing guitarist and fripp-head, got right to up >the the front of the stage, basically front row, and hung out near fripp to >enjoy his playing, technique, music. > >But he wasn't dancing. > >After several songs, (and i paraphrase) Fripp leaned forward and hissed >"why aren't you dancing !? You're being a vampire !!!" This is for dancing, >stop sucking up my energy !!!" > >So - i think the guy just has a real planned out life (read any liner notes >of the late 70s early 80s) > >what are ya gonna do?? he's a genius. just a cranky one, that's all. > >peace, andre' Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:01 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 12:15:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgxyC-0003pF-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:15:28 -0800 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:12:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? Resent-Message-ID: <"D7P7cB.A.KTD.rvuk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1882 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:15:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 92acb75cf9ff4137478190b6c7100633 >I saw Fripp last night in Philly ... he never broke a sweat, presented >himself as some judgemental overlord, and completed the evening by having a >mutual masturbatory session with some members of the audience over the >idiosyncracies of "Crim" factoids. His playing was mediocre and it was >more commercial than most anything I've heard in the genre ... commercial >in that he was selling TC Electronic, Eventide, and Roland products through >a constant manipulation of them. He announced at the beginning that he >didn't see the music as "precious" and that people should feel free to do >what they want ... mill around and talk. It was probably the most precious >event I can recall being. His use of loops and high-end gear is notable, >however there is nothing more flat than an artist who demands an audience >find something to appreciate in the repeated use of the same motifs, sounds >and movement over a protracted period of time and then tell you he is not >being precious. > >It was all art as commerce without substance. To end the evening, he let >everyone know that, "though he would not sully his hands in commerce", he >did have Fedx'd in a large supply of CDs that he was selling ... but that >his assistant would be doing that. > #1 A sense of humor is helpful in determining what appropriate and unappropriate. I suspect the "Ésully his hands in commerce" comment is simply that keen British sense of humor some Americans completely miss. #2 Looking at several complaints in recent posts (early starting times, extreme repetition combined with extensive signal processing, encouragement for the audience to treat the experience as something different that a "sit-down" concert) paint the picture of someone who is trying to find better ways of allowing this music to happen. Perhaps the typical concert setting, behaviors and time constraints don't lend themselves to allowing "good loopage" to occur. I know Mr. Fripp endeavours to present this material in all day installations at churches, subways, etc. I remember as far back as his appearence at Mabuhay Gardens (with the old Revox set-up), his comments to the effect that we'd have been better off bringing pillows and relaxing on the floor to experience Frippertronics. The emergence of "chill rooms" years later seems to me to confirmed some small prescience on Mr. Fripps partÉ The fact is this is someone who is deeply concerned with trying to balance the sometimes unbalanceble extremes of art and commerce. Fripp seems to truly care about making real music happen, instead of presenting a pre-packaged format of material to promote record sales. Even if his opinions make us uncomfortable, or are downright unfathomable at times, we should be glad to someone who stills cares so deeply about what he is doing after suffering in the music industry for so many yearsÉ Happy Looping- Mark From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:58 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 11:39:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgxPl-0001We-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:39:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199712131935.LAA01281@mailtod-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:35:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"CWLrH.A.iBB.ZOuk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1879 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:39:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 889d72cd353bb060a106da3ba32bf08b Fuck Fripp. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:07:59 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 11:51:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgxbM-0002KQ-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:51:52 -0800 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC56BAB9@sf-01-msg.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:49:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"6tGIW.A.W7B.8Zuk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1880 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:51:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 84658b7bd55da80d473b27b8d1a84688 I realize that there is a certain power and attractiveness to alliteration, but could we at least agree to trash one of my favorite guitarists without swearing. It keeps the potential for flame wars and long angry screeds down to a minimum. Thank you. -Tom Attix > -----Original Message----- > From: inti@webtv.net [SMTP:inti@webtv.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 1997 11:40 AM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? > > Fuck Fripp. > > Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:13 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 13:12:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgyrb-0007MA-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:12:43 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:13:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Fripp - "Sully his hands in commerce" Resent-Message-ID: <"QrwpeC.A.ikG.Bkvk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1886 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:12:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 63d5b894b5279b55a91946751779adb9 I did not make a statement regarding Fripp to have my nationality called into question rather I was speaking to the entertainment value provided me by Mr. Fripp. Given his ego, I am sure he would find this discourse amusing and be delighted it was occurring. Which is partly my point. By the way, I am a fan of his playing and witnessed myself the League of Gentleman ... yadda yadda ... much more I have sat through and appreciated the plights of much "lesser" artists in an attempt to create an event involving something of their heart, soul and expression and to actually communicate something to the audience. It would have been more honest and frankly more lighthearted of Robert had he admitted that the music was in fact precious and glorified ... but there was nothing lighthearted about it or him whatsoever ... oh, save for the "sully" comment ... I stand corrected. >It's true - Americans really have no concept of irony do they? > >---------- >From: Mark Landman >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? >Date: 13 December 1997 19:12 > >>I saw Fripp last night in Philly ... he never broke a sweat, presented >>himself as some judgemental overlord, and completed the evening by having >a >>mutual masturbatory session with some members of the audience over the >>idiosyncracies of "Crim" factoids. His playing was mediocre and it was >>more commercial than most anything I've heard in the genre ... commercial >>in that he was selling TC Electronic, Eventide, and Roland products >through >>a constant manipulation of them. He announced at the beginning that he >>didn't see the music as "precious" and that people should feel free to do >>what they want ... mill around and talk. It was probably the most >precious >>event I can recall being. His use of loops and high-end gear is notable, >>however there is nothing more flat than an artist who demands an audience >>find something to appreciate in the repeated use of the same motifs, >sounds >>and movement over a protracted period of time and then tell you he is not >>being precious. >> >>It was all art as commerce without substance. To end the evening, he let >>everyone know that, "though he would not sully his hands in commerce", he >>did have Fedx'd in a large supply of CDs that he was selling ... but that >>his assistant would be doing that. >> > >#1 A sense of humor is helpful in determining what appropriate and >unappropriate. I suspect the "Ésully his hands in commerce" comment is >simply that keen British sense of humor some Americans completely miss. > >#2 Looking at several complaints in recent posts (early starting times, >extreme repetition combined with extensive signal processing, encouragement >for the audience to treat the experience as something different that a >"sit-down" concert) paint the picture of someone who is trying to find >better ways of allowing this music to happen. > >Perhaps the typical concert setting, behaviors and time constraints don't >lend themselves to allowing "good loopage" to occur. I know Mr. Fripp >endeavours to present this material in all day installations at churches, >subways, etc. I remember as far back as his appearence at Mabuhay Gardens >(with the old Revox set-up), his comments to the effect that we'd have been >better off bringing pillows and relaxing on the floor to experience >Frippertronics. The emergence of "chill rooms" years later seems to me to >confirmed some small prescience on Mr. Fripps partÉ > >The fact is this is someone who is deeply concerned with trying to balance >the sometimes unbalanceble extremes of art and commerce. Fripp seems to >truly care about making real music happen, instead of presenting a >pre-packaged format of material to promote record sales. > >Even if his opinions make us uncomfortable, or are downright unfathomable >at times, we should be glad to someone who stills cares so deeply about >what he is doing after suffering in the music industry for so many yearsÉ > >Happy Looping- > >Mark > > > >---------- Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:02 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 12:20:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgy2v-0004ET-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:20:21 -0800 From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Fripp - "Sully his hands in commerce" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:18:10 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"Ttt3ND.A.MpD.N0uk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1883 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:20:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d50262f7de14f0cbb29085e0f6cfbd0 It's true - Americans really have no concept of irony do they? ---------- From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? Date: 13 December 1997 19:12 >I saw Fripp last night in Philly ... he never broke a sweat, presented >himself as some judgemental overlord, and completed the evening by having a >mutual masturbatory session with some members of the audience over the >idiosyncracies of "Crim" factoids. His playing was mediocre and it was >more commercial than most anything I've heard in the genre ... commercial >in that he was selling TC Electronic, Eventide, and Roland products through >a constant manipulation of them. He announced at the beginning that he >didn't see the music as "precious" and that people should feel free to do >what they want ... mill around and talk. It was probably the most precious >event I can recall being. His use of loops and high-end gear is notable, >however there is nothing more flat than an artist who demands an audience >find something to appreciate in the repeated use of the same motifs, sounds >and movement over a protracted period of time and then tell you he is not >being precious. > >It was all art as commerce without substance. To end the evening, he let >everyone know that, "though he would not sully his hands in commerce", he >did have Fedx'd in a large supply of CDs that he was selling ... but that >his assistant would be doing that. > #1 A sense of humor is helpful in determining what appropriate and unappropriate. I suspect the "Ésully his hands in commerce" comment is simply that keen British sense of humor some Americans completely miss. #2 Looking at several complaints in recent posts (early starting times, extreme repetition combined with extensive signal processing, encouragement for the audience to treat the experience as something different that a "sit-down" concert) paint the picture of someone who is trying to find better ways of allowing this music to happen. Perhaps the typical concert setting, behaviors and time constraints don't lend themselves to allowing "good loopage" to occur. I know Mr. Fripp endeavours to present this material in all day installations at churches, subways, etc. I remember as far back as his appearence at Mabuhay Gardens (with the old Revox set-up), his comments to the effect that we'd have been better off bringing pillows and relaxing on the floor to experience Frippertronics. The emergence of "chill rooms" years later seems to me to confirmed some small prescience on Mr. Fripps partÉ The fact is this is someone who is deeply concerned with trying to balance the sometimes unbalanceble extremes of art and commerce. Fripp seems to truly care about making real music happen, instead of presenting a pre-packaged format of material to promote record sales. Even if his opinions make us uncomfortable, or are downright unfathomable at times, we should be glad to someone who stills cares so deeply about what he is doing after suffering in the music industry for so many yearsÉ Happy Looping- Mark ---------- From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:04 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 12:37:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgyJ9-0005MS-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:37:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: madmaxxx@pop.slip.net (Ian Reid Maxwell) Subject: UNDO MALFUNCTION ON ECHOPLEX(Is it broken?, Anyone else have this experience?) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:32:24 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <"mnZAp.A.GrE.eDvk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1884 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:37:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 62a86fecd55b88fe3c5e2c30306cc518 I own an echoplex. It seems as though my Undo function is broken. It undoes everything. It seems to act just as the record function by erasing everything(or I guess recording an empty loop). If I use a short press it records, and if I use a long press it resets just like the record function does. Help!!!!!!! I'm new at this. Am I doing something wrong? Is it something an upgrade will fix? I've read just about everything on the Echoplex web pages. I have experienced some of the other bugs in the old software , but I have not found anything discussing the undo function acting this way Again Help!!!!!!!!! Ried Maxwell POWERLOUNGE RECORDS From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:00 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 12:03:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgxmP-00033G-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:03:17 -0800 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199712131958.AA139393123@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:58:43 -0700 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199712131935.LAA01281@mailtod-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> from "Carlos Carrillo" at Dec 13, 97 11:35:52 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"LgsbSD.A.2jC.Qkuk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1881 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:03:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b4b6ccce1a4fbfa19e92092c866125b ...here we go again. -- Kevin Simonson Computer Science Graduate Program University of Illinois - Springfield simonson@uis.edu "Knock loudly, they just installed new padding..." From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:06 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 13:02:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xgyi2-0006kG-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:02:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: madmaxxx@pop.slip.net (Ian Reid Maxwell) Subject: UNDO MALFUNCTION ON ECHOPLEX(Is it broken?, Anyone else have this experience?) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:58:52 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <"xrk6fD.A.mDG.Ocvk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1885 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:02:50 -0800 X-UIDL: aa020da71363d9a205f72abad499201d I own an Echoplex DP. It seems as though my Undo function is broken. It undoes everything. It seems to act just as the record function by erasing everything(or I guess recording an empty loop). If I use a short press it records, and if I use a long press it resets just like the record function does. Help!!!!!!! I'm new at this. Am I doing something wrong? Is it something an upgrade will fix? I've read just about everything on the Echoplex web pages. I have experienced some of the other bugs in the old software , but I have not found anything discussing the undo function acting this way Again Help!!!!!!!!! Ried Maxwell POWERLOUNGE RECORDS From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 14:36:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh0AZ-0003zO-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:36:23 -0800 Message-ID: <34930E35.6D3E@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:38:14 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: N.A.M.M show, GEAR prices !!! References: <199712121641.LAA03985@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vCpWdB.A.JOD.sywk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1887 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:36:23 -0800 X-UIDL: b0aeafb1bf32ff148c76f2798822d1fa > How come in the last, say 20 years (or 30, etc) computer chips, electronic > components, micro-wiring and soldering technology and technique, plastic, > have all been greatly improved in quality and been slashed in price. > > Every consumer iterm that involves these components has become drastically, > amazingly cheaper, yet vasly higher in quality, than 20 or 30 years back - > clock radios, cassette decks, walkmans, VCRs, computers like the ones we're > all on right now, etc. > > Yet musical gear, effects processors, many synths, tuners, etc all cost AS > MUCH, sometimes MORE than they did years ago. Of course - many exceptions > to the rule.... but in general, c'mon!!!! Two reasons: 1) Prices are set at what the market will bear. If people wouldn't pay the prices asked, the manufacturers would reduce the price or redesign the products. 2) Probably more important is market size. For every digital effects unit sold, there are probably 500 VCR's, 500 stereo systems, and 1000 Walkman devices sold. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were even larger than this. When you order 250,000 of a certain part the cost gets very, very cheap. Hey, I want a $199 effects unit with true bypass and stereo operation that has rich sound and unlimited programmability, but it ain't going to happen. Motley From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 15:08:17 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 14:38:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh0CJ-0004C4-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:38:11 -0800 Message-ID: <34930EEB.46D6@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:40:43 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources References: <8e4ef673.34911946@aol.com> <97Dec12.105447cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Bmk9rD.A.6dD.A1wk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1888 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 14:38:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 51c2100b421dab3e5b950f9ca6290545 > Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: > > EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com > Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com > Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com > Lentines-www.lentine.com I'm not so sure about Daddy's. I got their catalog for awhile and everything seemed high to me. Nut Pie Boy From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 16:19:08 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 15:35:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh162-0007N7-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:35:46 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Mikell D. Nelson" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources In-Reply-To: <34930EEB.46D6@dmans.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"om3j7D.A.KfG.uqxk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1889 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:35:46 -0800 X-UIDL: ba1616ec464939367b630f262b7955c5 On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > > Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: > > > > EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com > > Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com > > Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com > > Lentines-www.lentine.com > > I'm not so sure about Daddy's. I got their catalog for awhile and > everything seemed high to me. Not only high prices but whenever there's a good deal in their flyers or the website it's always gone. > > Nut Pie Boy > steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 16:19:09 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 15:51:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh1Ky-0000Lh-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:51:12 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:45:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: UNDO MALFUNCTION ON ECHOPLEX(Is it broken?, Anyone else have this experience?) Resent-Message-ID: <"G1duK.A.MF.45xk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1890 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:51:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 618aa8dc714c2872ec162fa7989e82f5 check the web pages again. You are experiencing a well known old hardware-based thermal problem that is very easy to fix yourself. Here's the link right to the answer: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html#faq5 kim At 12:32 PM -0800 12/13/97, Ian Reid Maxwell wrote: >I own an echoplex. It seems as though my Undo function is broken. It >undoes everything. It seems to >act just as the record function by erasing everything(or I guess recording >an empty loop). If I use a >short press it records, and if I use a long press it resets just like the >record function does. Help!!!!!!! >I'm new at this. Am I doing something wrong? Is it something an upgrade >will fix? > I've read just about everything on the Echoplex web pages. I have >experienced some of the other >bugs in the old software , but I have not found anything discussing the >undo function acting this way > Again Help!!!!!!!!! > > > Ried Maxwell > POWERLOUNGE RECORDS ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 16:19:10 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 16:14:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh1hv-0001Q1-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:14:55 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38b38ba4.3492bfab@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:08:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: music links to other loopers examples, web site Resent-Message-ID: <"gQJ3yD.A.nDB.XPyk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1891 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:14:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c921aee61f0c448b8bdd91e864c7469 At 12:02 PM -0500 12/13/97, ANET wrote: >Hey Terry Spaulding; I think you mean Tom..... >Kim sent me a note yesterday stating that he is always looking for volunteers >to the site and a lot of folks are making recommendations to good stuff that >they know about. and if someone wanted to volunteer to compile some of these great recommendations into a nice web page for the site, that would sure be great! The site does have a section called "loopography" which is supposed to be a listing of great loop based music out there to try. The section is suffering from a bit of neglect and needs someone to own and love it. Michael Peters is the editor now, but he already has the big job of the profiles page and can't do everything! I guess even more it needs the rest of us to write up little reviews of our favorite recordings to submit. I'm sure there is gobs of great info that's been posted to the list, someone just needs to mine it out of the archives. It might even break down into two sections, one for classic and influential looping recordings, and one for all the other stuff. Here's the link to the page if you want to check what's there so far: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loopography/Records.html There is also an "artists" section that should be for info about well-known loop artists that people can check out. It has nothing on it all yet and is just crying for a loving sponser..... If you want to check out just how lonely and empty that poor page is, the link is here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/Artists/loopartists.html >I have always thought that get down to local levels really exposes the true >music to be found and I am sure there is more true music out there than what >we hear over the airwaves. > >Wouldn't it be nice to add links to folks that know about this stuff of which >we could sample? > >Just an Idea, I don't think loopers-delight has that yet. It would be an >excellent add-on. well, there is the Profiles section of the website, which is about all of us ordinary folks. There are a lot of people on there now, with descriptions about what they do, how to contact them, influences, instruments/gear they use, recordings available, links to web sites, etc. If you're not on the Profiles page yet, then get you info together and get it in there! Michael Peters takes care of that part of the web site, so you should send it to him. There are instructions on the page for what you need to do, so make sure to read them first! Here's the link to the page: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/profiles/Profiles.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 17:35:37 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 17:36:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh2yl-0005V1-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:36:23 -0800 From: "Clark Battle" To: Subject: Echoplex price Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:30:38 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971214013031.AAA29985@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"fqByjC.A.NvE.2bzk0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1892 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:36:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 79677770207e1ca4d3a0c23eb1055b1d Hi all. Im back after a long hiatus having moved from Philly to Seattle. Im itchin' for an Echoplex. However, a dude at a music store looked up the price and said they were like $1200!!! Did the price double in the last year or something? They used to be $550 or so. Is the music store guy just ill informed or has Oberheim actually priced me out of the market? If they are that expensive then maybe i should look for a used Djamn Man. Anyone... Clark Battle BattleAxe! ~ sound tools From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 01:42:50 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 19:23:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh4eP-0002IC-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:23:29 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <61d23ae9.34934f44@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:15:10 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"xDIcL.A.4xB.m_0k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1893 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:23:29 -0800 X-UIDL: bdc5957324d6c21a36114abd5345267d The LoOpDoctOrs find stereo not only possible in small clubs but mandatory. The "sweet spot" is a canard. Sure, there is a set point in any given club where if you did you on axis measurments you might get a true "Blumlein" fill, but you know what...you can be well OFF axis and with our JBL Eon system and several Vortexes wafting, you can hear all kinds of depth, ping pong shots and backhand swirly's that you just won't get in the flat, pointelist world of mono-pa. By the way, when we play we not only have stereo out to the audience via our very mundane PA (no crossovers, but sometimes a bass feed to a mono drum machine amp), but also through the various stage monitors that each one of us use. So you are talking about an interesting array of stereo sources blasting at any number of points in the room. Balanced? Heck no...but then who comes to see the LoOpDoctOrs expecting equilibrium? A little phasey loopy weirdness is much preferable to the monotones, as God understood when he put our two eared, two eyed and nearly hairless species on the planet. All LoOpDoctOr odors, however, emenate in mono. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 01:42:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 13 22:56:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xh7y7-0003JA-00; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:56:03 -0800 X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:56:31 -0800 To: From: cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Chris Stecker) Subject: Is my echoplex dead or what? Resent-Message-ID: <"-sc3XD.A.93C.II4k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1895 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:56:03 -0800 X-UIDL: d95419f96eccbc6f81d62ee0cf932b5e Hi all. This is a message for Echoplex tech-spurts. The rest of you can skip on down to the next message. My echoplex (loop 3, v3.2) appears to be dead right now. When I turn it on, the OS version message and total record time show up as before, and everything appears normal. The record LED is lit green, as is the feedback LED. All other LED's are dark. None of the buttons do anything, except for "parameters". I can cycle through the four parameter banks, and when I enter a new bank, I can press one other button (doesn't seem to matter much which one) and read the corresponding parameter's value. Subsequent button presses do not change the value, however, and no other buttons (except "parameters") are functional. Once I loop through all parameter banks, I can press record, at which point the echoplex appears to record for about 0.5 seconds, at which point the "1L" message comes up, as if I'd made a long record press. I've tried several remedies: powering up with various key combinations held (some of which will cause my display to take on an alien appearance, with random segments lit), and replacing the RAM (I've had it at 16MB. I replaced that RAM with the original simms, but experience no change in behavior, beyond a shorter listed record time.) Nothing seems to produce any change. I experienced a short spell of very similar behavior one evening a couple of months ago. However, the echoplex shortly thereafter returned to normal, and I failed to report the bug. This time, it's more persistent (much more). I've called echoplex tech support and left a message. The tech people and I are playing phone tag at this point. Feeling helpless, I thought I would post this message and see if anyone has had experiences like this or knows of something else I might try. If anyone has an email address for Oberheim tech support, I'd like it. This phone thing doesn't work well for me. Thanks, Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics 3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley CA 94720-1650 Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu !!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:45 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 02:35:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhBOP-0003jb-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:35:25 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:27:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Is my echoplex dead or what? Resent-Message-ID: <"p3twFC.A.tJD.QU7k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1896 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:35:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 6203aeb69a0523bcb1b2bc7f9723b17b At 10:56 PM -0800 12/13/97, Chris Stecker wrote: >Hi all. This is a message for Echoplex tech-spurts. The rest of you can >skip on down to the next message. ready to spurt..... >My echoplex (loop 3, v3.2) appears to be dead right now. When I turn it >on, the OS version message and total record time show up as before, and >everything appears normal. The record LED is lit green, as is the feedback >LED. All other LED's are dark. None of the buttons do anything, except >for "parameters". I can cycle through the four parameter banks, and when I >enter a new bank, I can press one other button (doesn't seem to matter much >which one) and read the corresponding parameter's value. Subsequent button >presses do not change the value, however, and no other buttons (except >"parameters") are functional. Once I loop through all parameter banks, I >can press record, at which point the echoplex appears to record for about >0.5 seconds, at which point the "1L" message comes up, as if I'd made a >long record press. It sounds to me like one of the front panel buttons is getting stuck on somehow. (or footpedal if you have one plugged in.) I just turned one of mine on while holding the Next button down and it pretty much behaved just like you describe. Try all of the buttons and see if any feel like they are sticking. If they are, it might be that the top piece of metal got bent down a little and is pressing against the tops of the switches. That used to happen to me with prototyping the things because I always had the tops on and off and never used the screws, so eventually they'd get bent somehow and interfere with the switches. Or maybe that hole has some little metal spur or dirt got in it or something. If that's not it, then it would be something weird like a bit of metal floating around on the circuit or something. Or maybe some part of the circuit just broke, but that seems a bit unlikely for what you describe. >of something else I might try. If anyone has an email address for Oberheim >tech support, I'd like it. This phone thing doesn't work well for me. Pat Murphy is the dude you want. >3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 If they had a contest for most boring/ugly architecture on campus, Tolman would be a contender. I think the only class I had there was a discussion section of electro-magnetic fields and waves, which may be influencing my opinion.... oh wait another Tolman experience....summer after 8th grade I took a math summer school class at Berkeley, and they would have these optional/fun lunchtime classes as part of the program. I took one where this goofy math teacher from some suburban high school taught us how to break dance. That was in Tolman. In retrospect, completely surreal.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 05:51:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhERk-0001rX-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:51:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 08:47:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712141347.IAA05978@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Re Loop Doctors Resent-Message-ID: <"n5mVw.A.9lB.OO-k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1898 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:51:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 1df3a25e6b4df104d6bcd54708a0ede1 At 10:15 PM 12/13/97 EST, you wrote: >The LoOpDoctOrs find stereo not only possible in small clubs but mandatory. > SNIP >several Vortexes wafting, you can hear all kinds of depth, ping pong shots and >backhand swirly's that you just won't get in the flat, pointelist world of >mono-pa. SNIP > >Balanced? Heck no...but then who comes to see the LoOpDoctOrs expecting >equilibrium? A little phasey loopy weirdness is much preferable to the >monotones, as God understood when he put our two eared, two eyed and nearly >hairless species on the planet. > >All LoOpDoctOr odors, however, emenate in mono. > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs > > > Love your always informative and whimsical posts . . .when I grow up< Iwant to be JUST like you. droneon~Tom PS--I love all of the dessicated, droll technical posts that have enriched my life while depleting my pocketbook as well--you folks are SWEEEEELLLLLLLL (sorry, kind of LOOPY right now . . . oh, no more of those ELECTRIC SNAKES in my Boss flanger . . . SHOO! . . . Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 06:06:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhEgx-0002K4-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:06:47 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 09:03:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712141403.JAA07688@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources Resent-Message-ID: <"1muupD.A.IBC.ec-k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1899 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:06:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 479997a91ac430ade4a9ca8ce272cf0e >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 03:02:40 >To: mnelson@dmans.com >From: Tom Lambrecht >Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources > >At 04:40 PM 12/13/97 -0600, you wrote: >>> Some of the places I found that sell used stuff for cheap include: >>> >>> EU Wurlitzer-www.wurlitzer.com >>> Daddies Junky Music- www.ugbm.com >>> Thoroughbred Music.-www.tbred-music.com >>> Lentines-www.lentine.com >> >> I'm not so sure about Daddy's. I got their catalog for awhile and >>everything seemed high to me. >> >>Nut Pie Boy >> >> >> > >Daffy's has some deals--but they don't really exist except in your MIND--picture this--salivating as you log onto their website and spot a Lex Vortex "VG condition" $159---with trembling hands, you punch at the phone, obligingly enter the que for what seems like an eternity and talk to the salesman who informs you that it was snapped up a long time ago--why is it still on their Web site (updated every few days)? ONLY THE GODS KNOW!! And their catalogs are enterttaining to flip through (and free), buttotally useless by the time they thread their way through the Byzantine labyrinth known as 3rd class mail. > >he best way t get the good shit (the really GOOD SH#T) at a reasonable price is to extend your tendrils and gently caress the newsgroups, Harmony Central, etc. There I've said the UNSAYABLE and I hear a chorus of wails and chastisements from the veterans who have been reaping the evil rewards of buying used gear from the ORIGINAL user (gasp) for years. > >well, now I'll pull my hood over my head and ostracised, retreat from polite society. > >drone oN~~~~~~~~~~~Tom > >PS--try adding a little of green Argentine mate' to your morning tea--it's GOOD for the mind. > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:51 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 07:41:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhGAq-0003E0-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:41:44 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:36:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Cheap Used Gear Sources Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"zXWVBD.A.S0C.Q1_k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1901 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:41:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c71b05248959d00457e2442e16fe0718 i would not really say that daddy's has cheap used stuff. their prices are usually on the high side and you have to haggle a lot with them. =-) PJ From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:51 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 07:35:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhG4j-0002oi-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:35:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3493FD01.2295@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:36:33 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp?????? References: <41116e25.3492c0c7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gyLSfD.A.0NC.Ju_k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1900 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 07:35:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 79577de6a557aafa9e9aac0b078cd0e4 ANET wrote: > My feelings on Fripp at the moment are not good, and now he stops when a flash > goes off? What a luxury, play music for a living and have an attitude as > well. I know, paparazzi are everywhere right? > > Am I missing something? Perhaps you are missing something. I agree with Fripp's stance on photography of performance not because I am a "devoted fan" but because I am a theatrical director, producer and sometimes actor. It is understood that flash photography is not allowed during plays and other such performances but somehow this rule of respect for the performer(s) and audience does not translate to musical performance. Why should this be so? From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:58 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 11:32:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhJm8-0005dv-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:32:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:28:07 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <38b38ba4.3492bfab@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: music links to other loopers examples, web site Resent-Message-ID: <"0vU2C.A.t_E.BNDl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1902 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:32:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 951545296e44bbcc6fce004798028ae7 > >http://www.annihilist.com/loop/Artists/loopartists.html > I am in the process of completing a CGI-based page for the Loopers of the World section, which will allow users to create, edit and delete their pages, as well as to create links to other web sites. Hopefully this will inspire new additions to the section. I am trying to finish this before Friday, so please wait until then to attempt to post any new profiles. Thanks. chris From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:21:08 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 12:06:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhKJ0-0007Io-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:06:26 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:59:43 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re Loop Doctors Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"LmFmVD.A.liG.JtDl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1903 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:06:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 3747399264a148b85829b59e87061650 Thanks Tom: The Ancient ones...the LoOpDoctOrs...suggest looping means never having to grow up...just put it on hold and circle the airport. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 14:20:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 05:11:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhDp9-0000JT-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:11:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971214144508.3d0fadf6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:45:08 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re:N.A.M.M show In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971213043924.00a26290@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QXlAbC.A.rG.Ro9k0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1897 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 05:11:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 5cfc6e9cfe9544d864a826370c83d5dc Kim: >>>Who is going to check the credit status and invoice and collect from every >>>single consumer that calls up to order direct? What will shipping costs be >>>if every unit is sold and shipped to an individual? Who will >>>repair/service the units? >> >>Well, Musician's Friend manage it, and make a profit into the bargain... >>...remove the middleman, take out that profit margin, help starving >>musicians... ;) > >well, Musician's Friend is a middle man, right? Besides, I never thought >their prices were that great, so their profit margin must be larger? or did >you mean Carvin? No, I mean that if Obie sold direct (OK, say if Gibson sold direct) the markup Musician's Friend need to add would no longer be necessary, and we could all play or Tal Farlows through our EDPs and Orange stacks, rather than our Epiphones through our Peaveys. (no disprespect to Epi and Peavey, of course...) ;) >You don't have Guitar Center there, yet? You poor guy. ;-) No, we don't... :( What we do have is just about every guitar shop in the country doing Mail Order, though. You'll find in the UK's Guitarist magazine a _huge_ number of ads. >>> That's what marketing campaigns in magazines and in store clinics and >>> displays are for. > What? you can't get Oasis to stop by? Oh, yeah... "My name's Noel Gallagher, and I'm going to use Epiphone guitars to show you some neat tricks I've learned. OK, number one, this is an E chord..." (thrang thrang thrang....) Now the Spice Girls, that would be different.... :) >>> At a tradeshow it's like this: An important dealer comes >>> up. He's busy, got a lot to do that day, you spend 5-10 minutes discussing >>> the products in the booth with him. He knods, says, "I'll buy 50 of those, >>> 100 of those, let's do the order now." Papers signed, he's gone. >> Is this really not possible over the phone? If they spend so little time >> with the gear and can't touch it anyway, why bother getting them together? > It's the free liquor and big parties with famous people. You get a lot more > sales that way, and its not the same over the phone. Let's put it this way. You say this and expect me not to be jealous??? Michael From ???@??? 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Sun Dec 14 22:04:42 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 14 21:22:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhSzE-0003xb-00; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:22:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3494BF8E.B1BFD058@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:26:40 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34924143.A7E72043@mailbox.syr.edu> <349203A5.160B@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jXd-y.A.WUD.R1Ll0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1905 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:22:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b8e68b545cffcd93cea077b26793c2ab Jeff Schwartz wrote: > Mark has a very good point (and some other cat posted > along the same lines a few days back-how many folks in the > crowd can actually percieve a lot of stereo effects?) but > at the same time, as I said, there are a bunch of Vortex > effects (like 3/7 echoes) which sound way more like music > if there are quarter note triplet echoes coming from one > place and septuplet echoes coming from another, not to > mention the possibilities for panning a lead a la Pete > Cosey. > I enjoy hearing an unmiked ensemble for many reasons, not > least because I can walk around the venue and experience a > varied mix/EQ. I think playing stereo can offer a similar > experience. I hate hearing a band where they use the PA to > overpower the room sound only to replace it with fake > ambience. Hey, Don't get me wrong, I love stereo (I run my home stereo with a surround sound processor from time to time), and even usually run my rig in stereo live when I do small cafes or similar venues. It's when you do larger clubs that the mono thing comes into play. As much as I agree with you, it comes down to pleasing the lowest common denominator. It is better to give everyone good sound (although this rarely happens, but don't get me started...) than it is to give a few people great sound. Along a similar line, I just tested out an ART guitar amp. It had this sonic holography feature that was pretty neat, but I'm sure impossible to use in a large club. For those who, like myself, got turned off by ART's original amps, these new ones seem much, much better (the design is by Pierce). Check them out if you get a chance, you toy addicted guitar heads, they seem pretty cool. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 11:47:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 11:19:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhg2w-0002Fj-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:19:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199712151822.KAA08804@scv4.apple.com> Subject: The Evil Robert Fripp, Pockets Stuffed Full Of Cash Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 12:22:32 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"uvaAyB.A.AZB.VEYl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1909 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:19:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 174c78d02831e08b43b7eecbffe5935b > >It would have been more honest and frankly more lighthearted of Robert had >he admitted that the music was in fact precious and glorified ... but there >was nothing lighthearted about it or him whatsoever ... oh, save for the >"sully" comment ... I stand corrected. I think the "precious and glorified" aspect of it is in the eye of the beholder. It's well documented that Fripp has been attempting for years to get the audience to drop many of their standard expectations for what a musical performance entails, and instead, listen and experience what's actually happening before them. High ticket prices, tall stages, impressive light shows, the very scale of the venue, all of these can serve to distance the audience not from the performer, but from the music itself. When a different type of music (Frippertronics or Soundscapes in this case) is being presented, perhaps a new mode of listening is also required. You'd also mentioned the ticket cost ($40). I'd say that cost reflects seeing four acts. If you had no interest in Vai, Satriani or Sheppard, then, well...that's the way it goes. Would you have been happier if you'd paid $10 for the ticket? I think that having Fripp on the tour serves more as an introduction to ambience/looping/experimental guitar for fans of conventional guitar playing. If you go there already well-informed about the nature of Soundscapes, then you may find a clash between the setting, the music, and Fripp's "performance". The nature of Fripp's performances on the tour have also been documented extensively in the music press, Elephant Talk, and even on this list earlier this year. Anyway, for those who may be considering attending a Soundscapes performance, bear in mind the following: 1) There's not much to look at. Fripp doesn't move much when he plays, and his equipment set up doesn't require many notes to be input from the guitar before all sorts of processing twists everything around. 2) On the G3 tour, Fripp starts when the doors to the venue opens, or sometimes even before. That's correct--he may have to audacity to play music when you aren't there, and are barred from entering. Arrive when the doors open in order to hear all of the public performance. 3) Fripp may step away from his equipment, or even walk around the venue, yet sounds will continue to emanate from the speakers. After a while, he may sit down and "play" a little more. Or not. 4) Fripp doesn't like photography or bootleg recordings. Flash photography has caused the performance to come to an unxpected early ending, or may result in him leaving the stage for a while. Again, sounds will proably continue to emanate from the speakers. 5) Fripp may speak to the audience. He may be funny, pompous and/or boring and conceited. Or not. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 20:03:33 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 15:16:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhjk8-0001bu-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:16:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3495467A.4568@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:19:53 +0000 From: Anton Chovit Reply-To: antonc@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f_ashD.A.lm.jgbl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1910 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:16:08 -0800 X-UIDL: fd6411b688e2537ce2126faba31a5af4 Kim Flint wrote: > > The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a > little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it > again this year? > > kim Sounds interesting. What did you have in mind? Anton From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 09:51:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 08:44:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhddM-0002B8-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:44:44 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 15 Dec 1997 10:17:35 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: Korg DL8000R info To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"QID_dB.A.GGB.fvVl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1906 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:44:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ad923d37bd99727925be9831a5c282e Full text (in a much more readable format) available at: http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm DL8000R DIGITAL MULTI-TAP DELAY This versatile digital delay processor provides the ultimate in features and flexibility and continues Korgis progression of ground breaking digital delay development that began in the early 1980s. Careful attention has been paid to every detail of the audio circuitry in the new DL8000R Digital Multi-Tap Delay. With high quality, sophisticated effects algorithms and parameters, this effect processor provides advanced sound processing power at an affordable price. Intuitive two-control user interfacing allows easy access to the unitis extraordinary processing power and ultra-large high-brightness vacuum luminiscent displays allow effortless visability under any lighting condition. Superb studio-quality processing The DL8000R is a true stereo device with extremely clean, studio-quality processing and long stereo delay times up to 5,200 ms. A maximum of 10,000 ms. can be achieved in mono with both delay lines connected in series! The left and right delay lines feature independant 3 Band EQ, Pre-Delay and four delay taps each with high and low damp filters in the feedback loops. Each delay tap can be modulated by an array of sources including an internal LFO (with a selection of five different waveforms), an audio envelope, assignable controllers, and MIDI clock. A comprehensive internal Mixer allows independent programmable level, stereo panning and polarity settings for each of the eight delay taps. 128 phenomenol factory preset programs The DL8000R's preset programs include many with real-time parameter control, such as "TURNTHEWARP," which lets you use the front panel WARP! knob to create dramatic delay time parameter changes. The programs include an incredibly diverse selection of delay settings (mono, stereo, multi-tap, etc.), modulation-type programs such as chorus, flanger and tremolo - and even tempo, rhythm and hold-type effects that can add depth to techno and club music, for example. The DL8000R features essential studio application programs including a group which provide delay, modulation and EQ effect settings that recording engineers frequently use, along with programs created specifically for vocals. You also get real-time control programs for use with optional pedals, MIDI-sync programs, mic simulations, cabinet resonators, and unique special effects. Of course it's also possible to modify the preset programs to create your own, and store them in the 128 memories in the user area. Flexible dynamic control The DL8000R also offers simultaneous real-time control of up to sixteen parameters. Virtually any parameter can be controlled via MIDI, an expression pedal or footswitch, audio signal, or the special front panel WARP! knob. The DL8000Ris specially designed DSP circuitry even allows glitch free real-time control of delay times. Powerful studio-friendly features Along with the usual Time mode, where delay times are manually selected, the DL8000R features a Tempo mode. This mode automatically sets delay times using Tempo and Factor (note value) parameters. A left and right Rhythm Pattern parameter contains a selection of 21 different rhythmic delay patterns utilizing the eight delay taps. A tap tempo function also allows setting delay times by tapping a dedicated front panel button or footswitch. An audio trigger function can detect audio peaks and automatically calculate delay times. And, delay time can be synced to MIDI clock. \ DL8000R SPECIFICATIONS Controls: Input Level (Left, Right), Output Level (Left, Right), Function Knob with Shift/Exit SW, Value Knob with Enter SW, Warp! Knob with Return SW, /ms Key, Hold Key, Trigger Key, Bypass Key, Power SW Programs: User Programmable 128 programs + Preset approx. 20 programs (Numbers are not confirmed yet.) Number of delay taps: L x 4 (1, 2, 3, and Feedback), R x 4 (1, 2, 3, and feedback) with adjustable level and pan Delay time: max. 4,800ms (L, R each) / 10,000 ms if pre-delay is used and delay lines are connected in series Input/Output Connections :Input (L/MONO, R, 1/4"phone), Output (L, R, 1/4" phone), Bypass SW Input (1/4" phone), Hold SW Input (1/4"phone), Trigger SW Input (1/4"phone), Control Pedal Input (1/4" TRS phone) MIDI: IN, OUT, THRU Display: Large high-brightness luminescent display, 12 characters alpha-numeric, 9 points function indicator, 5 points / ch level indicator A/D, D/A Resolution: 18bit Linear Sample Rate: 48kHz(128 times over sampling bitstream ADC & 128 times over sampling bitstream DAC) Max. Input Level: +20.0dBu Input Sensitivity: -10dBu - +8.0dBu (@12dB Head Room) Input Impedance: 500kohm Max. Output Level: +20.0dBu Output Load Impedance: > 600ohm Frequency Response: 20Hz - 20kHz (+/-1.0dBu) Dynamic Range: >96dB(@ 1kHz AWTD 22kHz-LPF) T.H.D. + N: < 0.03% (@ 1kHz F.S. 22kHz-LPF) Power Supply: AC 9V Power Consumption: 2,000mA (max.) Dimensions: 19" (W) x 8.5" (D) x 1.7" (H) Weight: 5.5 lbs. Accessories: AC/AC Power supply [0dBu = 0.775Vrms] [F.S.= Digital Full Scale Level] OPTIONS XVP-10 EXP/VOL Pedal EXP-2 Expression Pedal PS-1 Pedal Switch PS-2 Pedal Switch From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 11:47:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 10:55:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhffm-0007QF-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:55:22 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd071d$565fb200$643163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:35:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Do you replace parts of loops? Resent-Message-ID: <"tXOWOD.A.U5F.drXl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1907 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:55:22 -0800 X-UIDL: e2f9ff63a3e9a9ff5965f01495496aaf >>I just got fascinated again about the possiblility to replace parts of >>longer loops while experiencing them. Within over 15 sec of loop you >>probably like some bit better than the other. The bit you do not like (be >>it a colour in your "wash" or a single cord in your sequence), you can >>reduce with feedback or even replace straight away with a Replace function. >>After listening to the loop enough, you know what you want to change and >>thus let the whole idea grow. >> >>I prefer to use FeedBack for this, because it allows to fade or leave a bit >>or the old stuff in the background. >>Used smother it simply creates a dynamic wave of a previously constant >sound. >> >>Do you all use such tricks? >>For practicing/creating or as musical expression/composition in a final >>version? Randy Jones was the only one to react... does that mean that noone uses this method yet? ... well noone is obliged to answer, so never mind... I just thought, that this kind of talk is rather bound to the intention of this list... So Randy asked: >This sounds like a very interesting thing to do. Is is possible to give >specific instructions for this technique. I read the manual, but can't >actually GET the process. Sorry to be technoslow...I think a "Echoplex For >Dummies" is the manual I need. There are Playing Hints on the web page that might be interesting for you. The Replace function is mentioned in the manual, under Insert, though. (page 4-27 in my manual). Once the InsertMode is set to rpl or rhr, you simply press INSERT during a part you do not like an play something better that will stay in that spot from then on. The thing with FeedBack is technically simple, but it took me a long time to find its musical use. You reduce the FeedBack pot (preferably a pedal!) during the unwanted part and optionally switch on Overdubb before to immediately play something new over the spot. Try an tell us! Matthias From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 11:47:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 10:55:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhffi-0007Pn-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:55:18 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf61c$998e7aa0$acf0ffd0@future-perfect> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:19:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Long improvs Resent-Message-ID: <"2QQK8B.A.q6F.nrXl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1908 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:55:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 8094059cc274f69885650fe3488d2986 Dave Eichenberger told us a while ago: >I've been forcing myself to record 1/2 hour improvs at home, all live, no >overdubs- after the first few hours or so, I really have to strain to come >up with ideas, I can't rely on tricks or patterns. I go out for a walk, look >at the scenery, and try to think of new ways to approach things, like asking >myself >How do clouds sound? >Bushes? >What does green and orange sound like? >I come up with at least an hour of new, fresh things this way, usually >nothing like what I came up with before. Very nice. What do you do with those recordings? Does the music end up percievably related to the stimulus (clouds...) ? Could the feel be cought from a short bit of the recording so you end up with a musical lexicon? Did you do this for days, months, will you go on...? Matthias From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 09:59:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xi1He-0001zJ-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:59:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199712161754.MAA26001@bkinis.ms.com> Date: Tuesday, 16 December 1997 0:52am ET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: MEHDI@ms.com Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: The letter of Tuesday, 16 December 1997 0:46am ET Resent-Message-ID: <"pQNrSC.A.IUB.NBsl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1920 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:59:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 8026d5e6ccf2250c7b310b88e05811b6 test From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 20:03:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 19:41:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhnsW-0007bC-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:41:04 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971216032721.00a1dc1c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:27:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Resent-Message-ID: <"ENMKqB.A.ytG.6cfl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1912 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:41:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 674511ed7a8a9e5e75a5e71c6dca2fd3 At 03:19 PM 12/15/97 +0000, Anton Chovit wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >> >> The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We had a >> little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to do it >> again this year? >> >> kim > > >Sounds interesting. What did you have in mind? > I was thinking we could agree to meet at some spot for lunch on one of the show days. Probably saturday since most people going are likely to be there that day. Pretty free form from there...meet in real life, talk about looping, recommend stuff to check out that we've seen, advice on which parties to crash, etc. Whatever happens I guess. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 20:03:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 19:40:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhnrn-0007WV-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:40:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3495F71B.3B4@aznet.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:35:55 -0800 From: Crimson@aznet.net Reply-To: Crimson@aznet.net Organization: Autonomy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg DL8000R info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0JjKzD.A.vfG.0afl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1911 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:40:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 80e1b0596afe6b4d03f6460199818a03 Does anyone have any pricing information on the Korg DL8000R, or any idea as to when it is supposed to come onto the general market? From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 00:09:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 21:29:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhpZO-00003c-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:29:26 -0800 Message-ID: <34960470.6B7@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:32:48 -0700 From: Scott Archambault Reply-To: metaphor@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex price References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fC7eYD.A.D7G.yChl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1914 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:29:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cdc971d8133e57629afb1467c0816ff CAN YOU STILL BUY THE OBERHEIM ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PRO? WHERE IS IT AVAILABLE? (I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE FOR AGES) THANKS, SCOTT. METAPHOR@EARTHLINK.NET From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 00:09:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 15 21:18:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhpOn-0006no-00; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:18:29 -0800 From: Ahanning Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:11:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex price Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"gx9gZC.A.GBG.m4gl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1913 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:18:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 495958c184203620a53dcf0b38c7a118 I've been checking around - I emailed oberheim & the list price for one with 4meg is $869 + shipping/tax/whatever. So I'd say the store is either gold- plating them first or gold-digging the customers. Still, that leaves you plenty of room to haggle, or to try somewhere that sells below list. Alex In a message dated 97-12-14 01:48:30 EST, you write: << Hi all. Im back after a long hiatus having moved from Philly to Seattle. Im itchin' for an Echoplex. However, a dude at a music store looked up the price and said they were like $1200!!! Did the price double in the last year or something? They used to be $550 or so. Is the music store guy just ill informed or has Oberheim actually priced me out of the market? If they are that expensive then maybe i should look for a used Djamn Man. Anyone... Clark Battle BattleAxe! ~ sound tools >> From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:31 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 07:00:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhyTa-0002Pq-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:00:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971216095514.006c0c8c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:55:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: New Lexicon Vortex for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2nhTTB.A.h6B.YYpl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1915 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:00:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 89abda46f7ca4af8dc5657f563b31eae Brand new (just 2 weeks of the warranty used up), in the original box with all papers, manual, and footswitch. I bought it on impulse a couple of weeks ago and realized afterward that, as cool as it is, I really need to be spending the money on other things (e.g., PA equipment and other life essentials). $265 (plus shipping from Maryland) Please respond direct to me (seligman@mitre.org) and not to Looper's Delight. Thanks! -Len From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:33 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 07:06:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhya5-0002z9-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:06:45 -0800 Message-ID: <5CEA8663F24DD111A96100805FFE6587F1E40A@red-msg-51.dns.microsoft.com> From: "Gary Bense (Vanstar)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New Lexicon Vortex for sale Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:00:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"RHZMaD.A.sVC.pepl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1916 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:06:45 -0800 X-UIDL: c0da39d000907474c72a759890912bde I'll take it! > ---------- > From: Len Seligman[SMTP:seligman@mitre.org] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 6:59 AM > To: Gary Bense (Vanstar) > Subject: New Lexicon Vortex for sale > > Brand new (just 2 weeks of the warranty used up), in the original box with > all papers, manual, and footswitch. I bought it on impulse a couple of > weeks ago and realized afterward that, as cool as it is, I really need to > be spending the money on other things (e.g., PA equipment and other life > essentials). > > $265 (plus shipping from Maryland) > > Please respond direct to me (seligman@mitre.org) and not to Looper's > Delight. Thanks! > > -Len > From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 07:25:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhysE-0004NO-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:25:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of B lues Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:18:11 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"MYFBCD.A.elD.4vpl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1917 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:25:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 20e97bb0cf176dded9cfcd84b39e17b5 He explained why he stopped at the ProjeKt One date at the Birchmere show, his management sent out warning that if flashes happened Fripp would walk off. He felt he had to backup his manager. It was a great show Fripp started a loop at 6 when the doors opened Played till 9pm, then a hour of Q&A. later John > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 6:57 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: *NO FLASH PHOTO's* -- Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House > of Blues > Importance: High > > Oh yes - > > Without defending or justifying it -- reports are that at recent > Crimson > off-shoot shows for ProjeKt One - FLASH PHOTO's have caused great > upset > to the Fripp-most. He has stopped playing - or talking when a FLASH > goes off. > > So, PLEASE - **NO FLASH PHOTO'S** - or he may stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. > Stop... > > David Kirkdorffer > UNDO > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer > Sent: Friday, December 12, 1997 6:41 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Subject: FYI -- Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues > Importance: High > > FYI > > Fripp -- Boston -- Dec 16 -- House of Blues > > I advise checking in as soon as the doors open. That's when he's > liable > to start - if not earlier - regardless of stated show time. > > Tix are $15 > > Not well publicized. > > But, if you're in the arae... > > Woooooosshhh! > > David Kirkdorffer > UNDO From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 08:22:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xhzkv-00014S-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:22:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: RE: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:11:57 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"84MI_C.A.6B.Tiql0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1918 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:22:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 77d9695aaf2c73ea66fcb7a5adeb29bf On the hidden track of the live League of Gentlemen, it is dozen or so announcements Fripp made at the beginning of each show. Basically saying the they were a "Dance band" and the requirement for being on the Dance floor was motion. Others were invited to watch/listen from the sides and rear of the Dance floor. Fripp said on 12/10 at the Birchmere that he has considered quitting touring and concentrate on running DGM, because of all the hassles of being a touring musician. The "Vampiric" actions of adoring fans is one of his oft quoted reasons. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Cholmodeley [SMTP:andre@monmouth.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 1997 1:15 PM > To: John_Ott@ATK.COM > Subject: Fripp, making friends in the audience again???? > > ok, i'll weigh in on the frippbash.... though as many do, i love the > man > and his music. he's one of my biggest influences and has written some > of > the sickest stuff - 70s, 80s, 90s!!!! > > but - i like to kick my heroes... this story tho, is about a good > friend.... > > back during the League of Gentlemen tour, Fripp had the concept that > it was > a "dance" band of sorts, so thet booked into places that were dance > halls, > open seatless spaces, etc. He wanted you to DANCE, dammit. > > So my friend , who is an amazing guitarist and fripp-head, got right > to up > the the front of the stage, basically front row, and hung out near > fripp to > enjoy his playing, technique, music. > > But he wasn't dancing. > > After several songs, (and i paraphrase) Fripp leaned forward and > hissed > "why aren't you dancing !? You're being a vampire !!!" This is for > dancing, > stop sucking up my energy !!!" > > So - i think the guy just has a real planned out life (read any liner > notes > of the late 70s early 80s) > > what are ya gonna do?? he's a genius. just a cranky one, that's all. > > peace, andre' Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:winmail.dat (????/----) (00022315) From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 11:48:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 11:03:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xi2H0-0000P2-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:03:18 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B94BB@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Who's going to NAMM? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:27:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"y4ef3B.A.h4G.m6sl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1922 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:03:18 -0800 X-UIDL: f36cd6fec1ce710d05597fc8c95eefb1 I'll be in town for the show and interested in getting together. I'll watch the email for the time and location. Bob Sellon Engineer Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Kim Flint[SMTP:kflint@chromatic.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, December 15, 1997 10:39 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? > > At 03:19 PM 12/15/97 +0000, Anton Chovit wrote: > >Kim Flint wrote: > >> > >> The NAMM show is coming up again, Jan 29 - Feb 1. Who's going? We > had a > >> little Looper's convention last year. Small but fun! Who wants to > do it > >> again this year? > >> > >> kim > > > > > >Sounds interesting. What did you have in mind? > > > > I was thinking we could agree to meet at some spot for lunch on one of > the > show days. Probably saturday since most people going are likely to be > there > that day. Pretty free form from there...meet in real life, talk about > looping, recommend stuff to check out that we've seen, advice on which > parties to crash, etc. Whatever happens I guess. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 09:47:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xi15x-0000lP-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:47:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971216123833_1573555610@mrin51.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Long improvs Resent-Message-ID: <"GktFX.A.cPH.dzrl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1919 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:47:49 -0800 X-UIDL: c1682e417b1a284a82020750cb625894 <<>I've been forcing myself to record 1/2 hour improvs at home, all live, no >overdubs- after the first few hours or so, I really have to strain to come >up with ideas, ...>> This basically what I do all the time with my setup-- alternating playing periods with marathon fx-editing and sound-design sessions, so that I can use new timbres and textures, in new combinations (multiple-output guitar into mixer=MANY possible parallel fx layers) when I switch back to improv/taping. I feel like I'm "dueting" with my processors, learning their interactive options as i play, never sounding the same from one session to the next, because I don't make notes or try to be "precious" even about particularly gorgeous combinations--having the sounds and the performances they inspired on tape is enough. Editing down the hugh piles of tape that accumulate from whole days filled with playing is a pleasant chore that gets put off usually for months on end...and seems to require a totally different part of the brain, not the lizard/wizard/angel part that I'm after during the playing; it's oriented towards finding some way of sharing the results with other ears...but I often get bogged down here, and just go back to more taping, since I prefer listen to the unedited tapes. It reminds me of my days as a painter, stepping back to evaluate/discover next step/find new doors into work in progress--I find I'm always trying to structure my music-making to be more like my experiences as a painter--I simply find sound and time more compelling than color and form at present. The net results in terms of playing new things vs. rehashing old tricks seem to break down into these fairly obvious experiences: during the playing: Old stuff still sounds old; Old stuff sounds fresh, and I'm inspired to extend it into new realms; (most likely) New sounds call forth new playing even if only slightly varied versions of old stuff...but sometimes totally surprising. During playback of tapes: old stuff often sounds good--leads to new practice/composition efforts; New stuff that sounded wonderful at the time may not hold up; (best result) "What WAS that cool thing!?!?"...leads to much analysis, often frustrated, but inevitably, back to more sound design and technical practice, and the start of the spiral/circle... David From ???@??? Tue Dec 16 10:19:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 16 10:10:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xi1S6-000333-00; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:10:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199712161804.NAA27462@bkinis.ms.com> Date: Tue 16 Dec 1997 01:02 ET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: MEHDI@ms.com Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 In-Reply-To: The letter of Monday, 15 December 1997 6:15am ET Resent-Message-ID: <"kllmnD.A.pVC.HLsl0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1921 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:10:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 14640df4d32be46b0396d56e4130b6d3 Hi All, I've been reading about the above sampler and believe that it may be a good piece of equipment to begin with...I want to learn about sampleing (rap..) and think this might be a good initial investment on learning how to loop muscial notes/tracks in order to create "phat" beats and maybe even songs. Your opinion (or practical experiences) would be appreciated ! ps: do they hold classes in ny for anyone interested in learning how to SAMPLE ? From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 02:21:44 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 01:11:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiFVR-0001nx-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:11:05 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971216032721.00a1dc1c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:39:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Resent-Message-ID: <"js2qO.A.kdB.zZ5l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1924 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:11:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 355174888d0c733f9222ae91a976bb32 ciao >> > >I was thinking we could agree to meet at some spot for lunch on one of the >show days. Probably saturday since most people going are likely to be there >that day. Pretty free form from there...meet in real life, talk about >looping, recommend stuff to check out that we've seen, advice on which >parties to crash, etc. Whatever happens I guess. > >kim obviously i can't come to the namm, but i will probably go to the frankfurt musik messe in march. i hope you can write a nice report of the namm show (and of the loopers convention) as soon as you come back. thanks ciao nicos From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 02:21:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 00:52:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiFDr-0000tv-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:52:55 -0800 X-Sender: cstecker@barr642.berkeley.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:52:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Chris Stecker) Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Resent-Message-ID: <"C0aZ9B.A.Mk.GH5l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1923 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:52:55 -0800 X-UIDL: ca4ab297c5852da9a4dd72003eb9ff3e I use this technique quite a bit. I'm usually looping electronic (analog synths) or processed speech (samples or a live mic). The music is usually big and noisy, which is fine with me, and one nice way to bring it all down with a real edgy feel is to replace sections of the loop with new, sonorous material. (I prefer silence or a nice soft drone as the new material). On my Ibanez DD200, I turn "hold" on and of with a pedal, and with my echoplex, of course, I use Insert in rpl mode. The insertions are usually quite short, and I time them as randomly as possible. There comes a point where enough of the old loop has been replaced that the remainder re-organizes itself perceptually into a rhythmic sequence of short "spurts" of the original material appearing in silence or from that nice, even drone. Often, one section or another of the new, rhythmic loop will have a better groove than the entire thing, and I'll use multiply-record to nab just that chunk, and then I've got a nice rhythmic beat to build something new upon. When you listen to a voice become a mass of swirling voices, then a giant cloud of noise, and then finally that same sound becomes an electronic beat, it's pretty astounding. That's why it's one of my favorite things to do. (It's also real handy when the rest of the band just doesn't have the same appreciation for your 25-second looping masterpiece, and you need something new for them to groove to.) ___________________________________________________________________________ Chris Stecker cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics 3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 University of California, Berkeley Berkeley CA 94720-1650 Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu !!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 02:21:46 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 02:17:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiGXz-0004JB-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:17:47 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd0ad4$de99ae40$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"jq_EKB.A.1yD.WX6l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1925 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:17:47 -0800 X-UIDL: cb5de9a3041cb62fef9fd183ce295736 This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, your method. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Chris Stecker To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 3:55 AM Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops >I use this technique quite a bit. I'm usually looping electronic (analog >synths) or processed speech (samples or a live mic). The music is usually >big and noisy, which is fine with me, and one nice way to bring it all down >with a real edgy feel is to replace sections of the loop with new, sonorous >material. (I prefer silence or a nice soft drone as the new material). On >my Ibanez DD200, I turn "hold" on and of with a pedal, and with my >echoplex, of course, I use Insert in rpl mode. The insertions are usually >quite short, and I time them as randomly as possible. There comes a point >where enough of the old loop has been replaced that the remainder >re-organizes itself perceptually into a rhythmic sequence of short "spurts" >of the original material appearing in silence or from that nice, even >drone. Often, one section or another of the new, rhythmic loop will have a >better groove than the entire thing, and I'll use multiply-record to nab >just that chunk, and then I've got a nice rhythmic beat to build something >new upon. When you listen to a voice become a mass of swirling voices, >then a giant cloud of noise, and then finally that same sound becomes an >electronic beat, it's pretty astounding. That's why it's one of my >favorite things to do. (It's also real handy when the rest of the band >just doesn't have the same appreciation for your 25-second looping >masterpiece, and you need something new for them to groove to.) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Chris Stecker > >cstecker@cogsci.berkeley.edu > >Graduate Student, Psychoacoustics >3210 Tolman Hall, #1650 >University of California, Berkeley >Berkeley CA 94720-1650 > >Auditory Lab, B-50 Tolman Hall, (510)642-5352 http://ear.berkeley.edu > >!!Ask me about Space Mesa, Ovenguard Music, Receptacle Culture, and CELL!! > > > > From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 12:01:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 11:42:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiPM4-00034D-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199712171652.IAA10756@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Digitech vintage pieces sighted Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 10:52:01 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"b37JFC.A.bLC.qlCm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1936 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 35d1fd231758cf73be24963e1f563e1d >PDS 2000 (2 sec delay pedal--flanger) $80 >RDS 8000 (the famous time machine--love mine) $ 300 a litttle high I htink > >Steuart 310 558 8311 liebigsa@maritz.com > >Saw a $ 200 Jamman (e-mailed, but no response) and a $ 150 Vortex as well, >not to mention a whole slew of "WTB: Jamman" 's , but unless the gods take >pity: I heard from this guy last week, at the time he had TWO RDS 8000's, but wanted $310 each. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 03:18:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 03:13:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiHQ7-0001O9-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:13:43 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0AB1.ECFAF200@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Arcane Device Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:06:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1M1BB.A.1u.zJ7l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1926 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:13:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 29c2fee787b6b97f030338fdf5659740 Is anyone hip to Arcane Device? >From what I can ascertain, the band consisted of one person, David Myers. He used a bank of digital delays as sound sources and sound modifiers. I have his CD, Trout, and it is very droney. Apparently he stopped recording a couple of years ago. We're always talking about looping guitar, synth, percussion, etc., but no one has every mentioned using a looper as a sound source. Does anyone know how this can be done? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 10:21:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 06:40:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiKeb-0001TN-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:40:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:35:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712171435.JAA07647@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Digitech vintage pieces sighted Resent-Message-ID: <"Y6se0.A.n9.vM-l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1928 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:40:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 279b99998a3e82401a26fbe181c04ba2 PDS 2000 (2 sec delay pedal--flanger) $80 RDS 8000 (the famous time machine--love mine) $ 300 a litttle high I htink Steuart 310 558 8311 liebigsa@maritz.com Saw a $ 200 Jamman (e-mailed, but no response) and a $ 150 Vortex as well, not to mention a whole slew of "WTB: Jamman" 's , but unless the gods take pity: drone on~~~TOm Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 10:21:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 06:53:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiKrG-0002RV-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:53:58 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec17.084928cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:49:44 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com, rackers@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oj0CXC.A.S5B.dZ-l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1929 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:53:58 -0800 X-UIDL: d1e209298a8c7310f983a82b95799e23 Beleaguered Brethren (and Sistren)- The first batch of 30 Echoplexes has arrived in NashVegas and are being tested, tweaked and boxed and will ship by this Friday. I am not sure which Dealer is first in line, but this should cover at least half of the confirmed backorders that we have in hand. My guess is that Banana's at Large has had the oldest backorders and will therefore be first to receive a shipment. Call Rick and tell him you are ready to pick your order up!!! Thanks for your limitless patience, more EDP's are coming soon. All props to Kim Flint for his invaluable help and kudos to the trained personnel of OB-ville. Fall on your knees, Oh hear the angels looping... Tom At 10:32 PM 12/15/97 -0600, you wrote: >CAN YOU STILL BUY THE OBERHEIM ECHOPLEX DIGITAL PRO? > >WHERE IS IT AVAILABLE? (I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ONE FOR AGES) > >THANKS, > >SCOTT. >METAPHOR@EARTHLINK.NET > > > From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 10:21:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 09:37:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiNPe-0006iy-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:37:38 -0800 Date: 17 Dec 1997 17:29:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19971217172953.8224.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Resent-Message-ID: <"Gkhv1.A.pmF.gwAm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1930 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:37:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a52f1808422644d5da9e4b79adadd79 ... and how about the PROMs for the folks who have ordered upgrades? From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 10:21:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 09:46:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiNXt-0007cZ-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:46:09 -0800 Message-ID: <007101bd0b12$5707fca0$e623d3c2@Studio.kpnet.fi> From: "Antti RintamŠki" To: Subject: JamMan Wanted Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:36:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"0bDCc.A.2ZG.u4Am0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1931 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:46:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 8a71810469f1f51128d5bebbc08a5413 !!!!! Wanted !!!!! JamMan with extra memory !!!!! Wanted !!!!! Contact via e-mail.... Antti RintamŠki Studio Soiva Kivi Folk Arts Centre Kaustinen - Finland ajr@kaustinen.kpnet.fi http://www.lesti.kpnet.fi/kaustinen/studio.htm From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 10:21:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 05:26:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiJUA-0006no-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:26:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199712171320.IAA23773@bkinis.ms.com> Date: Tue 16 Dec 1997 20:19 ET To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: lists@slip.net From: MEHDI@ms.com Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler In-Reply-To: The letter of Monday, 15 December 1997 6:15am ET Resent-Message-ID: <"iv6bPD.A.HEG.1G9l0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1927 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:26:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 61e6d93475b28f0222d7337c42cb4c8f Hi All, I've been reading about the above sampler and believe that it may be a good piece of equipment to begin with...I want to learn about sampleing (rap..) and think this might be a good initial investment on learning how to loop muscial notes/tracks in order to create "phat" beats and maybe even songs. Your opinion (or practical experiences) would be appreciated ! ps: do they hold classes in ny for anyone interested in learning how to SAMPLE ? From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 12:01:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 10:26:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiOAd-0003cx-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:26:11 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec17.122121cst.26895@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:21:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"maV8U.A.d3C.GgBm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1933 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:26:11 -0800 X-UIDL: e999f5cf456590437ca4e273626b757a Soon, very soon. At 11:29 AM 12/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >... and how about the PROMs for the folks who have ordered upgrades? > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 18:22:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiVbG-0001Zm-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:22:10 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:40:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"UooNeC.A.95.0dIm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1947 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:22:10 -0800 X-UIDL: e1fbccc8f631c351eb558829910f56f2 On 12/17/97 Kim Flint said: >The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >and have been quite happy with it. I also picked up an used PMC-10 for $100, about one year ago upon Kim's reccomendation and I whole heartedly endorse it. I do not use it with an Echoplex, since I do not own one, but I do use it to control three separate Jam Men. Currently I've been working with the Expression Pedal part of this machine to control a Sherman Filterbank. The PMC-10 is deep unit capable of much more than I'm using it for. Porbably why it did not catch on. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 10:21:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 10:09:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiNuC-000226-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:09:12 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:43:26 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Echoplex price Resent-Message-ID: <"WUp8X.A.FTB.3OBm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1932 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:09:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 05d8b27fe2c45b6d451c2eb967826e5a >I've been checking around - I emailed oberheim & the list price for one with >4meg is $869 + shipping/tax/whatever. So I'd say the store is either gold- >plating them first or gold-digging the customers. >Still, that leaves you plenty of room to haggle, or to try somewhere that >sells below list. Its probably cheaper to buy with little memory and upgrade with cheap simms, even used ones. Matthias From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 12:01:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 11:09:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiOqX-0007kx-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:09:29 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:00:12 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"tIgklB.A.kpG.1HCm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1934 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:09:29 -0800 X-UIDL: e6c0e09dd3753b507d28a3729186920f Hi Tom: The LoOpDoctOrs saw your post and now wonder if this means that our long lost fifty bucks that we sent to Oberhiem several months ago for the software upgrade might indeed be redeemed by the chips in the said Gibson manger? In otherwords, will you send the software upgrade chips soon? On another less pleasing note. Our beloved Echoplex started to go south at the last gig. We are perplexed. It has developed a nasty distortion...all functions work fine, but there is now a tonal yowl where it should be clean. We are going to change the input resistors, which we modded according to Kim's article on Looper's delight and which had helped enormously with clipping problems. We did add memory a couple of months ago. But except for the input resistor change as advised by Loopers Delight, our 'plex is stock. Any words of wisdom as to why a 'Plex will start to distort? and if we can't fix it ourselves, what do you suggest at this point as far as sending it in for repair? Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Dec 17 12:01:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 11:35:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiPFk-0002NP-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:35:32 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec17.133004cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:30:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wzm_cC.A.JrB.jgCm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1935 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:35:32 -0800 X-UIDL: a962fdc62e57f3d32b3a6b684dda8cb0 Dear Doctors- The LoOpDoctOrs saw your post and now wonder if this means that our long lost >fifty bucks that we sent to Oberhiem several months ago for the software >upgrade might indeed be redeemed by the chips in the said Gibson manger? Long deposited, perhaps, but long lost - never!! >In otherwords, will you send the software upgrade chips soon? Yes, yes, very, very soon Precious. We swears it! I expect we will begin to honor all requests within the next 10 days, provided that all payments of gold, frankincense and myrrh clear the moneylenders. >On another less pleasing note. Our beloved Echoplex started to go south at >the last gig. Perhaps it is headed towards Nashville! We could use some! ;) We are perplexed. It has developed a nasty distortion...all >functions work fine, but there is now a tonal yowl where it should be clean. Tonal Yowl...wasn't she on Baywatch? >Any words of wisdom as to why a 'Plex will start to distort? and if we can't >fix it ourselves, what do you suggest at this point as far as sending it in >for repair? Kim may be able to help with a fix-it-yourself trick, but if it requires a room at the inn, our stable staff (yuk, yuk) is prepared to fix-or-replace it posthaste. Ship it To: Oberheim 1818 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN 37210 Attn: Richard Akers, Service Department Tom From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 15:40:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiT4u-0000V5-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:36 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <16d0b930.3498606f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:29:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"U8cxWB.A.QGH.KFGm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1937 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:40:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 06d4b04b31494dedde5af32ae3a410e1 Thanks Tom: You have made the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 15:57:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiTL3-0002HM-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:57:17 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <34be1419.3498612b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:32:57 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"mRvIpC.A.laB.4UGm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1938 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:57:17 -0800 X-UIDL: eacf4870a367cfdee7feba36a6708dcc Oops...Sorry Tom and Loopettes...We were in such hysterics over the laugh provided by the shepards and servents of oberheim that our digits convulsed. Anyway, we are thrilled, thrilled to hear that Santa's reindeer are dropping chips over Nashville. Meanwhile we will try to heal our affliced 'plex with more precious thoughts and some of that incense stuff. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 16:12:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiTZI-0003yF-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:12:00 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec17.180415cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:04:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QPL1vD.A.c1C.ohGm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1939 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:12:00 -0800 X-UIDL: cbed8f660ad9ecb26a994cb24b267d6f >Thanks Tom: > >You have made the LoOpDoctOrs No, the Lo0pDoct0rs have made me, seemingly. From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 17:10:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiUTy-0002Mw-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:10:34 -0800 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:04:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Arcane Device Resent-Message-ID: <"CRjTfC.A.qbB.IZHm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1942 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:10:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 2ffdb17061485f3dd83cc85812d57866 Mark Kata wrote; >Is anyone hip to Arcane Device? > >From what I can ascertain, the band consisted of one person, David Myers. >He used a bank of digital delays as sound sources and sound modifiers. > >I have his CD, Trout, and it is very droney. > >Apparently he stopped recording a couple of years ago. > >We're always talking about looping guitar, synth, percussion, etc., but no >one has every mentioned using a looper as a sound source. Does anyone >know how this can be done? > O.K. David, that's your cue to "de-lurk"É We're fortunate enough to have David on this list, and sure he developed some interesting insights into "drone performance"É Mark From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:19 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 16:19:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiTgC-0004pX-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:19:08 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F530A64@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Christmas Gear Wish-List Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:10:26 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"x1NvpB.A.LeD.InGm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1940 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:19:08 -0800 X-UIDL: c7d417bda04131c368760d9227e1f3be Knowing what a bunch of gear-heads we sometimes have been, I thought you may be interested in these brand new effects. Enjoy! David Kirkdorffer UNDO NEW AND IMPROVED EFFECTS PEDALS FOR MUSICIANS Cry-Baby Wah-Wah: Makes the guitar truly sound like its master. Choruckus: Thickens sounds by adding successive layers of hiss and noise. Ring Modulator: Subtly converts wedding-rings into pinky-rings when in presence of sexy audience members. Trouble-O: Changes the relative volume your instrument so that you can't hear it clearly anymore. De-esser: Gives vintage down-trodden slave effect. Bottle-neck slide: Gives one the ability to play instrument while drinking beer, emphasizing "pro" capabilities. Echo: Takes mundane lyrics and turns them into a Greek tragedy. Nose-gate: Safety-device to keep fans from getting too close to your stage effects. Flannel-ger: Makes instruments sound like 1992-1994. Hammy-bar: Used to help guitarists make difficult transition from success to superstardom. Slap-back delay: Adds/subtracts time needed to yield a complimentary phase. Reverboration: Ominizes weak vocals. Pop-garde: New effect that turns simple little ditties into critically acclaimed hymns-for-a-generation. Dilettante-Delay: Tricks audience from seeing though inadequate musicianship by adding sheen to musician's sound. Grand Funk Equalizer: Makes everyone sound like an American Band. And here are a few from another list I was sent... Time distortion: Makes guitar solos seem longer. Can also be achieved by ineptitude. Blame shifter: Shifts the pitch of mistakes down one octave so that the audience thinks it was the bass player. Depander: Filters out popular cover songs. Overjive: Makes Hootie songs sound like Parliament. Active pickups: Amplifies "signals" sent to attractive audience members. Fluff box: Filters out excessive musical substance. Rehash: Stores and plays back your favorite riffs constantly and forever. Feedback Eliminator: Drowns out "constructive criticism." Band Pass Filter: Eliminates sexual advances between band members. Depressor: Changes any chord to E minor. Paralytic Equalizer: Makes you as good as other guitarists by injecting them with nerve toxins. ### From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 16:18:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiTfD-0004ha-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:18:07 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec17.181021cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:10:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In...Really! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"llxYu.A.1gD.dnGm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1941 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:18:07 -0800 X-UIDL: ea3f3da9ece1d01f38c4c1b143f19092 >Anyway, we are thrilled, thrilled to hear that Santa's reindeer are dropping >chips over Nashville. Yes, the Big Red One has blessed us this week, and breathes promises of even more next week, the twinkly little elf. > >Meanwhile we will try to heal our affliced 'plex with more precious thoughts >and some of that incense stuff. > While Ma in her kerchief (yikes!) and I in my toupe, settled down for the night for a Long winter's Loop. All the, Tom > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 17:14:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiUY9-0002qz-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:14:53 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <220491b5.349874fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:57:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tspauldi@gibson.com Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"YZouz.A.56B.hdHm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1943 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:14:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 276f64b23c16bad41c5749b682774c1a In a message dated 12/17/97 9:18:17 AM, you wrote: >The first batch of 30 Echoplexes has arrived in NashVegas and are being >tested, tweaked and boxed and will ship by this Friday. I got a copy of Throughbred Music's catalog in the mail today, with an Echoplex diplayed in all it's glory..... Now, a question: Can an Echoplex be controlled by a Midi Footcontroller (such as a DMC Ground Control), in place of the dedicated Echoplex Foot Controller? Marshall From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 17:48:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiV4W-000695-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:48:20 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218014159.00ce99bc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:41:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Resent-Message-ID: <"mCg96.A.FQF.d-Hm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1944 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:48:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 0368a390051b08c95710dc3d4e44f39e At 07:57 PM 12/17/97 EST, Marzzz wrote: >Now, a question: Can an Echoplex be controlled by a Midi Footcontroller (such >as a DMC Ground Control), in place of the dedicated Echoplex Foot Controller? On the Looper's Delight web site, in the echoplex section, is a page called "Echoplex Footpedal Tutorial," which explains most everything about that subject you would likely want to know. http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, and have been quite happy with it. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 17:57:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiVDO-0007Cj-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:57:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:48:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Arcane Device Resent-Message-ID: <"fjrD_C.A.H-F.dFIm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1945 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:57:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 89cc577a67cf2de94fb49ad5deb73e71 >Mark Kata wrote; > >>Is anyone hip to Arcane Device? >> >>From what I can ascertain, the band consisted of one person, David Myers. >>He used a bank of digital delays as sound sources and sound modifiers. >> >>I have his CD, Trout, and it is very droney. >> >>Apparently he stopped recording a couple of years ago. >> >>We're always talking about looping guitar, synth, percussion, etc., but no >>one has every mentioned using a looper as a sound source. Does anyone >>know how this can be done? >> > > >O.K. David, that's your cue to "de-lurk"É > >We're fortunate enough to have David on this list, and sure he developed >some interesting insights into "drone performance"É > >Mark I also have Trout, and a few other pieces, and I've always wondered how he got some of the sounds. So here's another vote for de-lurking... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 17:57:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiVDN-0007Cg-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:57:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:48:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Resent-Message-ID: <"W8fJGC.A.V_F.mFIm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1946 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:57:29 -0800 X-UIDL: e458eb720ac7c34b39986bc2e72d2aa1 >This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >your method. > >-Jesse > I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching time quite a bit. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 19:02:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiWEd-00052r-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:02:51 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218020352.00d762dc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:03:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"pLVukB.A.iAE.ICJm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1948 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:02:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ada6d5f1bce559b3336f968a68e3945 At 05:48 PM 12/17/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >>making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >>sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >>at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >>your method. >> >>-Jesse >> >I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in >loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I >find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal >twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. >I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record >while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching >time quite a bit. Yes, that's right. You can get extremely short replaces by just lightly tapping the button. You can get some really interesting textures that way. Replacing with silence is one of my favorite techniques, too. The holes in the sound form a rhythm, which is pretty interesting. Another thing I like to do is build a loop that is one chord, and then tap replace in a rhythmic way while playing a different chord. You get brief, jarring chord changes which can be really cool. After you do this for a while, the loop becomes completely mutilated into a different sort of texture althogether. great fun.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:41 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 21:03:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiY7P-0005F0-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:03:31 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218045006.00cf2f64@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:50:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Resent-Message-ID: <"iP9Yy.A.QlE.m2Km0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1949 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:03:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 14eebbf916aa264e49dda03271756667 At 05:48 PM 12/17/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >>making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >>sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >>at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >>your method. >> >>-Jesse >> >I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in >loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I >find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal >twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. >I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record >while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching >time quite a bit. Yes, that's right. You can get extremely short replaces by just lightly tapping the button. You can get some really interesting textures that way. Replacing with silence is one of my favorite techniques, too. The holes in the sound form a rhythm, which is pretty interesting. Another thing I like to do is build a loop that is one chord, and then tap replace in a rhythmic way while playing a different chord. You get brief, jarring chord changes which can be really cool. After you do this for a while, the loop becomes completely mutilated into a different sort of texture althogether. great fun.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:51 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 22:07:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiZ7M-0001Qa-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:07:32 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:07:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... Resent-Message-ID: <"XsC3r.A.0_.uyLm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1950 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:07:32 -0800 X-UIDL: d9a9eff1a1237c7ab8661d43f7c27639 LoOpDoctOrs looking for a loop doctor: >It has developed a nasty distortion...all >functions work fine, but there is now a tonal yowl where it should be clean. >We are going to change the input resistors, which we modded according to Kim's >article on Looper's delight and which had helped enormously with clipping >problems. We did add memory a couple of months ago. But except for the input >resistor change as advised by Loopers Delight, our 'plex is stock. > >Any words of wisdom as to why a 'Plex will start to distort? and if we can't >fix it ourselves, what do you suggest at this point as far as sending it in >for repair? Why dont you describe the kind of pain a bit, like: Only the loop is distorted or even the direct signal? Does it depend on volumes? Does it rather sound like a bad speaker or like a guitar distortion? Does it go away when the loop reduces by feedback? Does it change according to temperature? ... But I do not see why we would discuss that on the list... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 00:41:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 17 23:39:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xiaYJ-0006zr-00; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:39:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3498D42E.50A7D7DD@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:43:44 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sample editor for the Macintosh. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <2.2.32.19971218045006.00cf2f64@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"47cHyD.A.VHG.kHNm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1951 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:39:27 -0800 X-UIDL: b4ad349783c4c974f677c74a02b4593f Hey Looper's and Loopettes, Here's a question that's a little off the looping subject, but not totally. As a die hard Mac user (see previous posts) in the Computer Graphics field, I long for a really, really Pro Sample editor for the Macintosh. I've been using MacroMedia's SoundEdit 16 for a while, and for most Computer Multi-media it's pretty good. Last night I tried to use it for something a bit more taxing, and frankly it sucks. Is there something like Soundforge for the Mac? I've downloaded LiSa, but in my limited time playing with it, it seems more performance oriented. What's the word on the street? -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 09:11:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 02:47:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xidUi-0007At-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:47:56 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3498D42E.50A7D7DD@mailbox.syr.edu> References: <2.2.32.19971218045006.00cf2f64@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:15:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sample editor for the Macintosh. Resent-Message-ID: <"sBKh8C.A.pbG.a3Pm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1953 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:47:56 -0800 X-UIDL: fba9cb4efff357e532bebe5ef52f27cf At 2:43 AM -0500 12/18/97, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey Looper's and Loopettes, > >Here's a question that's a little off the looping subject, but not >totally. As a die hard Mac user (see previous posts) in the Computer >Graphics field, I long for a really, really Pro Sample editor for the >Macintosh. I've been using MacroMedia's SoundEdit 16 for a while, and >for most Computer Multi-media it's pretty good. Last night I tried to >use it for something a bit more taxing, and frankly it sucks. Is there >something like Soundforge for the Mac? I've downloaded LiSa, but in my >limited time playing with it, it seems more performance oriented. >What's the word on the street? Paul posted about this thing called metasynth: >Just downloaded a demo of MetaSynth at <>. While >I don't know squat about synths this looks (sounds) like it could be, not only >usefull but, also lots of fun. - Paul I downloaded it and tried it out. It's very different, but very, very cool. It was done by the guy who wrote some/all of Kai's Power Tools, so as you can imagine its a completely visually oriented synth/sample editor thing. Really quite fun and remarkable, and designing filters with the spraypaint tool was just too much! It might not be the practical thing you're looking for, but try it anyway. Other than that, I haven't been paying attention to that field for a while. Is Digidesign Sound Designer still around? Seemed to be the thing all the sound design people were using last I paid attention. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 09:11:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 03:19:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xidzf-0000hv-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:19:55 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712171320.IAA23773@bkinis.ms.com> References: The letter of Monday, 15 December 1997 6:15am ET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:12:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler Cc: lists@slip.net Resent-Message-ID: <"kI2k_C.A.dX.VWQm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1954 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:19:55 -0800 X-UIDL: f08c40ac36faf6d5a656a7d81b09c9c2 At 10:21 AM -0800 12/17/97, MEHDI@ms.com wrote: >Hi All, > >I've been reading about the above sampler and believe that it may be a good >piece of equipment to begin with...I want to learn about sampleing (rap..) >and think this might be a good initial investment on learning how to loop >muscial notes/tracks in order to create "phat" beats and maybe even songs. > >Your opinion (or practical experiences) would be appreciated ! I've never used it, but it looks like it might be a cool (and cheap I guess) thing to start off with if you want to play around with sampling and programming beats. It's got 8 little pads, a mic, some effects, filters, a bpm matching function. It is pretty limited though, so at some point you might want to trade up to a more pro type sampler if you get serious about it. Yamaha makes the SU-10 which I think is similar to the boss, you might want to look at that too. some things to consider about about the Boss (and yamaha): - the sound quality isn't that great, which might not matter for you now but probably will eventually - It doesn't look like there is any way to load samples from another standard source, like your computer. That's not so bad though, because it will probably force you to get your own samples, which will keep your beats from sounding exactly like everyone else. You want to learn about sampling, so that's probably a good thing. It does use some little memory card to save stuff, I imagine Boss supplies a few preloaded with samples. - You probably can't expand the memory - The little memory cards are probably not that cheap. - no sample editing - limited effects and filters These are things you'd find in a more expensive sampler, so it's no surprise the Boss doesn't have them. It's not trying to be fancy. Another thing you might consider is using your computer and some of the cheap software out there. A lot of people use a program called Recycle to take sample beats from the net, chop them up into individual drum samples, and construct their own beats from that using a sequencer or tracker program. Might be cheaper and more powerful if you already have a computer with sound capability. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 09:11:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 03:49:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xieRq-0001sI-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:49:02 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Boss Sampler s-202 DR.sampler Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 06:47:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd0baa$bfbe2f60$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"sV3uXB.A.ngB.ayQm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1955 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:49:02 -0800 X-UIDL: bf23b449f856e692787579e06d429953 On this note, I should recommend Stomper, a free program that lets you make various percussive sounds. It's easy to use and lets you do a lot of stuff. Not sampling of course, but it's a very easy and cool way to generate your own sounds. The URL is http://www.lysator.liu.se/~zap/mus_info.html It's billed as "a free TR 909." -Jesse >Another thing you might consider is using your computer and some of the >cheap software out there. A lot of people use a program called Recycle to >take sample beats from the net, chop them up into individual drum samples, >and construct their own beats from that using a sequencer or tracker >program. Might be cheaper and more powerful if you already have a computer >with sound capability. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 09:11:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 08:41:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xij0R-00029g-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:41:03 -0800 From: KingsleyD Message-ID: <61ddfed9.34994e53@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:24:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Who's going to NAMM? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"7LkcAC.A.6cB.JCVm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1956 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:41:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 053d139a81a1cdf34d9ba8063ec919f8 Kim & all: I'll be at NAMM, working with Lorenzo at the Klein booth. Count me in on the loopers' lunch... --Kingsley From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 09:12:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 09:02:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xijLB-00048b-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:02:29 -0800 From: Drumworker Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:38:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question Re: Looping Microphone Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"OZhNpB.A.9JD.CWVm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1957 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:02:29 -0800 X-UIDL: a5e87945d194ba812cd8c249fba6d7ff I'm compiling a list of microphones that would be suitable for use when looping with Steel Pan - small condenser, unidirectional - that kind of idea. Is any one familiar with the AudioTechnica #At 4049? Would that be a good choice of mic for this use? Any other suggestions? Thanks all! Paul O. From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 20:45:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 10:22:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xikaI-0003Sf-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:22:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <00063C68.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re: PMC-10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"NCz-bC.A.h_B.naWm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1958 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:22:10 -0800 X-UIDL: b3481d020d0d8c4a53a81228ace99d7c I too use a PMC-10 and have found it to crash sometimes unexpectedly. More than once I've been recording with others or performing (only once) and had it dump on me. Ouch!!!! I've had it to Digitech a few times and they've been very helpful but not completely successful. It's been quite awhile since I've had a crash... (Fingers crossed). That said, I've been hoping to see more sturdy units capable of assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as well. This gives you the ability to control several midi module real time controllers with a single pedal. Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is it's architecture like? Is it easy to program? Thanks -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PMC-10 Author: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) at INTERNET Date: 12/17/97 8:40 PM On 12/17/97 Kim Flint said: >The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >and have been quite happy with it. I also picked up an used PMC-10 for $100, about one year ago upon Kim's reccomendation and I whole heartedly endorse it. I do not use it with an Echoplex, since I do not own one, but I do use it to control three separate Jam Men. Currently I've been working with the Expression Pedal part of this machine to control a Sherman Filterbank. The PMC-10 is deep unit capable of much more than I'm using it for. Porbably why it did not catch on. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 20:45:47 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 12:38:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0ximi1-0001u4-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:38:17 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: replacing parts of loops Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: <19971218183146406.AAA178@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"T6Zq5D.A.EFB.6fYm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1959 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:38:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 25334e3eec5ef25a387bfc6e142b0409 At 20.50 17/12/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 05:48 PM 12/17/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>>This method seems really interesting (i.e. replacing parts with silence and >>>making ad hoc rhythms). I have a Jamman and haven't used replace much. I >>>sometimes add really random things in or play over the loop and hit replace >>>at random, but that only goes so far. I should steal [cough], I mean try, >>>your method. >>> >>>-Jesse >>> >>I do this a lot. Often I will lay down a longish droney texture in punch-in >>loop mode, and then use replace to "drop in" silence and other parts. I >>find that there's a minimum time that I can hit and release the pedal >>twice, about a second, which defines the finest granularity of the rhythms. >>I gather that with the Echoplex, you can assign the pedal to only record >>while the pedal is depressed, which could decrease the minimum punching >>time quite a bit. > >Yes, that's right. You can get extremely short replaces by just lightly >tapping the button. You can get some really interesting textures that way. >Replacing with silence is one of my favorite techniques, too. The holes in >the sound form a rhythm, which is pretty interesting. Another thing I like >to do is build a loop that is one chord, and then tap replace in a rhythmic >way while playing a different chord. You get brief, jarring chord changes >which can be really cool. After you do this for a while, the loop becomes >completely mutilated into a different sort of texture althogether. great fun.... > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com > > - About replacing parts in the loop. On my Jamman I press on and off the replace function very quickly and a lot of times, while playing new phrases, no key related to the old ones, possibly faster in tempo. The result is a fascinating fragmented loop impossible to play in real time. Other techniques? - About sampling. I do a lot of sampling and editing with my PC. SoundForge, Recycle and Cubase VST are my essential tools. If you have to buy a bad sampler, take a good PC for the same price and download some cool prog from the net. I had an old Akai S1000 and its sound was really good, but with problems for memory exansion (dedicated and expensive memory chips). I decided to work with a computer and I can suggest you too this move. Question to sampling experts: is there a way to simulate a midi interface via software? I'd like to let my PC consider sound forge (or some other editing sample prog) as a MIDI device and playing some samples at MIDI command from the program? is it possible? thanks ciao leo From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 02:40:30 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 02:10:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xicuh-0005sA-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:10:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971218114232.09f7c3f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:42:32 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: I Saw Three Chips Come Sailing In... In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218014159.00ce99bc@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YN_j4C.A.3PF.rVPm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1952 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:10:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 3b23c4db68c651ad3bdf55ca1b855a9b Kim: >The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >and have been quite happy with it. BTw, plexers, it's possible to configure a Digitech RP1/10/12/20 to send CC messages (I think that's what the EDP uses... whatever) _without_ changing the onboard patch, ie you can mix pedals within a bank to either change onboard patches, or control the EDP, or both. It won't send patch change info without changing patch, so you can't use it to drive your JamMan _and_ gain access to the onboard sounds in a controllable way... Michael (not wishing to start the "JamMan shouldn't use Patch Change" debate or anything!) From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 20:45:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 12:49:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0ximsR-00031k-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:49:03 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:42:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"SC6R-D.A.jQC.WrYm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1960 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:49:03 -0800 X-UIDL: d4ff719d0d18518b73c0d52ccbfab286 You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're looking for though. BTW Miko, I'm positive I've met you before. You came by g-wiz at some point, right? Do you know Chris Muir? He has a rocktron pedal, if that's helpful. As far as the PMC-10 crashes, I've heard that too but not experienced it. I've also heard that it has a tendency to dump its memory contents every few months. I haven't experienced that either. The guy I bought it from said he got a software upgrade from Digitech that fixed the problems, so you might want to check with them again. The pmc-10 does have sysex dump capability and midi-in, so you can save the memory contents and recover quickly if necessary. A lot of pedals don't do that, which is very annoying considering how much effort you are likely to spend programming them. The worst thing about the PMC-10 to me is the hand-held programming thing, which seems to break very easily. Paul Dresher says the best thing to do is just buy a gross of them from Digitech! Being a hardware geek, my plan is to replace the programmer's poor quality cable and crappy switches with more rugged stuff. Looked pretty simple, really. The versatility and programmability of the pedal far out weigh those inconveniences, IMHO. Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong. Speaking of evaporating memory contents, the other day I turned on a drum machine that I've had for about 7-8 years (an alesis HR-16B). It started up ok, I wacked a drum trigger to see if I had audio, and the drum machine display goes all weird. I turn it off, turn it back on, and all the stuff in memory is gone. Years of sequences programmed and tweaked go poof! Some stuff in there I'd spent months on a few years back and hadn't gotten around to recording. And guess when the last time I backed it up was? ooooops. man was I bummed..... so people say, "well, its good to get a fresh start sometimes..." somehow not quite consoling..... kim At 10:02 AM 12/18/97 -0800, Mike Biffle wrote: > I too use a PMC-10 and have found it to crash sometimes unexpectedly. > More than once I've been recording with others or performing (only > once) and had it dump on me. Ouch!!!! I've had it to Digitech a few > times and they've been very helpful but not completely successful. > It's been quite awhile since I've had a crash... (Fingers crossed). > > That said, I've been hoping to see more sturdy units capable of > assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the > ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as well. > This gives you the ability to control several midi module real time > controllers with a single pedal. > > Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is it's > architecture like? Is it easy to program? > > Thanks > -Miko > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: PMC-10 >Author: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) at INTERNET >Date: 12/17/97 8:40 PM > > >On 12/17/97 Kim Flint said: > >>The short answer is, no the echoplex can't be usefully controlled by a DMC >>Ground Control. Despite popular opinion among guitar players, the ground >>control is actually a fairly limited midi controller and not able to send >>appropriate midi commands for the echoplex. There are other pedals which >>work great, the web page describes what to look for. My personal >>recommendation is to pick up a used Digitech PMC-10. I got mine for $100, >>and have been quite happy with it. > > > I also picked up an used PMC-10 for $100, about one year ago upon Kim's >reccomendation and I whole heartedly endorse it. I do not use it with an >Echoplex, since I do not own one, but I do use it to control three separate >Jam Men. Currently I've been working with the Expression Pedal part of this >machine to control a Sherman Filterbank. The PMC-10 is deep unit capable >of much more than I'm using it for. Porbably why it did not catch on. > >Patrick > > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Dec 18 20:45:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 18 13:56:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xinvG-0001Lv-00; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:56:02 -0800 Message-ID: <34999082.9A44B63C@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:07:14 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PMC-10 References: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fWCPZC.A.Dm.cpZm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1961 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:56:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f93a952c5b9b0d6b352e0f09cd38470 >Being a hardware geek, my plan is to replace >the programmer's poor quality cable and crappy switches with more rugged >stuff. Looked pretty simple, really. Kim If you ever do that please publish the DIY mod in the news group Is there a PC librarian around that could help the reorganisation the PMC memory ? I've tried once to make a Cubase studio module but was thrown out by the way they describe their sys ex : C programming syntax ????? (any c programmer that could help me for another try ?) Had some crashes mostly caused by a loose soldering on the DC input thanks for your advices Claude From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 09:53:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj6cE-0007K4-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:53:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199712191722.JAA30004@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Jmman sighted Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 11:21:51 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"LOePHB.A.RZG.AOrm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1966 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:53:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 501edf876befb0de01df7d607d53270a >Rogue Music has another Jammie on their auction site #500429--they're still >crowing about the $ 611 bid they got for the one (soulless East Coast gear >vampires) I'd have to say that if you're willing to pay that sort of money for a JamMan, you should just buy an Echoplex. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 06:36:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj3XX-000145-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:36:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:27:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712191427.JAA08035@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Jmman sighted Resent-Message-ID: <"gDDMDB.A.Eg.tRom0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1962 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:36:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d86f9c34d3040b2cb7690feb341f385 Rogue Music has another Jammie on their auction site #500429--they're still crowing about the $ 611 bid they got for the one (soulless East Coast gear vampires) this one has the memory upgrade and the last time I looked had shot up to $ 255 If you must participate I can neither condemn or condone your behavior Jammies and the madness of crowds drone on~~~TOm Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:24 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 08:30:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj5Jn-0007YH-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:30:31 -0800 From: ZeplinSoup Message-ID: <38c18974.349a968f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:45:10 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex polyrhythms Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"n62WDC.A.0MG.x5pm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1963 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:30:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 27d57ea1d38e404a88aea8306fe87c75 I just got a new Vortex and was impressed with the polyrhythm capabilities and was wondering how you guys may have used this feature?(i just remixed the Dark side of the moon,with the help of the vortex..on the second song..Whats the name?that drum type thing you know...anyway on that part I tapped in the the one beat and set up a polyrhythm of 3:2 in the duo mode>I am wonderin' how you guys use this jamman feature... warning...skip the rest of this caca if you already about what polyrhythms are and how to count them and such!! the definition of a polyrhythm ( for those that dont know) is 2 equally spaced rhythms that occur within the same period of time which are NOT equally divisible into each other.So if in 2 beats we have 2 quarter notes(4/4 time sig.) and 8 sixteenth notes occuring at the same time then this is NOT a polyrhythm.However if in this same two beats we had both 2 qurter notes AND 3 other equally spaeced notes we would have a polyrhythm (woohoo!) about a year ago I devised a boredom killer that involved my watch...one exercise was so take the second( 60bpm-duh) and use a polyrhythm tO calculate a new tempo..actually this can come in handy if you know the tempo of a song you need to play but have no metronome or other way to get the target tempo...for example a 3:2 polyrhythm gives us a tempo of 90 ..to get 75 use a 5:4 polyrhythm..heres a hard one 8:3 (!) gives 160..and so on..anyway I would use my watch to calculate and perform as many different polyrhythms as I could (when bored).Actually with just a watch you can accurately calculate bps of about 2 tempos per 10bps-in about 5bps increments.they became second nature and are no easy to perform...but you may be asking How do I count or figure out how to count a polyrhythm?lets take 4:5 (in 5 beats there are 4 notes)for an example... step 1->multiply the two #s together (4*5=20) step 2->find a beat division where in 5 beats there will be 20 notes(sixteenth notes,or you would know by the 4 in 4:5) step 3->mark every 5th sixteenth note to play... ->started with IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII ->now is xIII IxII IIxI IIIx IIII here is 5:4= IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII XIIIX IIIXI IIXII IXIII try to count 8:3 thats prollay one of the hardest... why do this?how does it help?one instance may be if you play a 3 note pattern in sixteenth notes(x/4time)...the accents are the same as in a 3:4 polyrhythm,better funk playing,challenge,music may call for it,rhythmic freedom,and to simply have a better time feel,ect,ect...blah blah boggle baggle... anyways.... see ya round the horn guys Reeve How Does this related to Loopin'? From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 09:37:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj6M5-0005oe-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:36:57 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8EA6@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: bluegrass looping Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:50:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"nqe-CC.A.2xE.K8qm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1965 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:36:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 41f6553e93cc187fa00722f76ff30f01 A while back ANET asked: "I didn't know that Chet had some looping stuff out there, do anyone know what it is and if it's good?" On a recent album, "Almost Alone" Chet does a loop jam called JAMMAN which won a Grammy award(I forget what category.) It is a sweet little composition which demonstrates what can be done with looping rather well. It isn't really bluegrass and I don't think that there is any other looping on the album. I do know that he usually incorporates a 20 minute looping set into his live act. Best regards, Greg From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:27 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 08:55:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj5i0-0001xQ-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:55:32 -0800 From: Drumworker Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:23:00 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Happy Holidays Everybody! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"pmkZa.A.7EB.4Uqm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1964 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:55:32 -0800 X-UIDL: e42f37b922cc59edad809a318ad82182 Best Wishes to All! I know that I'm kind of a "back bencher" (a Canadian parlimentry term - means you don't hear from me much) but thanks for you're responses to my questions in the last few months. I have saved a tonne of information regarding looping/gear/etc. which has helped solve both current dilemmas and for future reference. So.... I hope which ever you're celebrating is great and I look forward to the next year of sharing info. After all, life is just a big loop ya know. Cheers, Paul Ormandy "Drumworker@aol.com" From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:34 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 10:13:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj6v5-0001OH-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:07 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8EAA@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: PMC-10 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:37:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SdeE9.A.Zr.herm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1967 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:13:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 963c3a97d5d597248aee65a88d43e857 Miko said and asked:" I've been hoping to see more sturdy units capable of > assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the > ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as > well. > This gives you the ability to control several midi module real > time > controllers with a single pedal. > > Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is > it's > architecture like? Is it easy to program?" > > There was a lone reply from our kindest forum host which > stated:"Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think > it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong." > Yes, The MPX R1 does MIDI. It is meant to give you control of all things MIDI. It is also very sturdy. It does not currently allow you to send several message via one pedal. I have forwarded your posting to the product management folks so that they will be aware of your desire. Any of the footswitches can also be assigned to send out controller messages. The machine does give you a lot of options so the biggest battle in programming it will be in deciding what you want it to do. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 11:12:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 11:09:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj7nA-0006cb-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:09:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:53:23 -0800 Message-ID: <00064FFE.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: PMC-10 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Hogan; Greg (Exchange)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"pqTcuD.A.xaF.BRsm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1968 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:09:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 83696ae28683a7d8dbbdd141f78c23a2 Thanks for the reply Greg... The PMC 10 was my first midi pedal because it seemed to offer more than any of the competitors at the time. I've been waiting a long time for everyone else to catch up, and apparently not enough people have been squawking about extended functions that other manufacturers have added those extended features. I was naive enough to believe that *all* MIDI control parameters would be finally addressed by the manufacturers in the near future. (Not in 2010.) Won't ZIPI come and save us before that??? That said here is what my PMC10 does which is mandatory in any other MIDI pedal I might migrate to. (And believe me I want to.) 1. Record and send Sysex strings sent out by other modules. 2. Assign to either exp-ped 1 or 2; (I believe 3 or 4) continuous controllers and send on any midi channel as well as scale either positively or negatively. 3. Send multiple pgm chg as well as multiple ctl chg values on any midi channel in a single patch. 4. More than 100 patch memory capability. I know the Rocktron All Access pedal fills most of these requirements, but haven't yet made any commitment to another pedal because the PMC-10 is so robust in it's features. Although it's not particularly roadworthy and has memory crashed on me a number of times leaving me high and dry. Still few more questions about the MPX1 R Midi Pedal. 1. Ads say that the exp-ped is switched. Does that mean that you can program the switch to possibly activate one or both of the relays? Or program that switch to send a pgm-chg possibly? What does that switch do? 2. Is the ex ped scaleable like the LXP 15II controller assignments? Y You say below that it can only send one controller msg... Too bad, that's a major flaw. The LXP 15II allows up to five controllers to be assigned to any one pedal with positive or neg scaling as well. It seems that the other Lexicon products allow multiple controller assignment as well... How did they overlook that with the MPX1-R? 3. If I program my PMC-10 to send the pgm-chg which toggles the TAP function on my JamMan, it is not as accurate as if I use a hard wired footswitch due to midi delay. How does the TAP switch on the MPX1-R handle this. Is it a hardwire contact thru the MIDI cable? Or does it still suffer from MIDI lag? 4. Are the A/B registers operated like the Vortex? And does the MPX1 offer all of the cool abilities the Vortex offers?... Like tap delay with time divide if you exceed the maximum delay time? Thanks in advance Greg... (I know I ask alot.) Sincerely, -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: PMC-10 Author: "Hogan; Greg (Exchange)" at INTERNET Date: 12/19/97 12:37 PM Miko said and asked:" I've been hoping to see more sturdy units capable of > assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the > ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as > well. > This gives you the ability to control several midi module real > time > controllers with a single pedal. > > Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is > it's > architecture like? Is it easy to program?" > > There was a lone reply from our kindest forum host which > stated:"Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think > it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong." > Yes, The MPX R1 does MIDI. It is meant to give you control of all things MIDI. It is also very sturdy. It does not currently allow you to send several message via one pedal. I have forwarded your posting to the product management folks so that they will be aware of your desire. Any of the footswitches can also be assigned to send out controller messages. The machine does give you a lot of options so the biggest battle in programming it will be in deciding what you want it to do. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 12:13:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 12:02:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj8cS-0003QC-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:02:00 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec19.135511cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:55:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: RE: bluegrass looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ojD0nB.A.qiC._Dtm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1969 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:02:00 -0800 X-UIDL: b2c1d9cac18cb5a7ce4827275af47057 Yes, Chet loops. I just gave him a fully-loaded Echoplex (actually it was the last demo one we had in our showroom) last month at his request. Due to his cancer treatments, his ability to play as he once did (by his own admission)is gone, but we hope the 'plex can help pick up some of the slack. We are anxious to hear what comes of it... Tom At 09:50 AM 12/19/97 -0600, you wrote: >A while back ANET asked: "I didn't know that Chet had some looping stuff >out there, do anyone know what it is and if it's good?" > >On a recent album, "Almost Alone" Chet does a loop jam called JAMMAN >which won a Grammy award(I forget what category.) It is a sweet little >composition which demonstrates what can be done with looping rather >well. It isn't really bluegrass and I don't think that there is any >other looping on the album. I do know that he usually incorporates a 20 >minute looping set into his live act. > >Best regards, > >Greg > > > > From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 12:24:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj8y7-0005c7-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:24:23 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8EAA@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:06:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"c_cSRC.A.IVE.kWtm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1971 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:24:23 -0800 X-UIDL: ca64be39c6e020b00457bc19df6eb8a6 At 12:37 PM -0500 12/19/97, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: > Miko said and asked:" I've been hoping to see more sturdy units >capable of >> assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the >> ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as >> well. >> This gives you the ability to control several midi module real >> time >> controllers with a single pedal. >> >> Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is >> it's >> architecture like? Is it easy to program?" >> >> There was a lone reply from our kindest forum host which >> stated:"Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think >> it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong." >> >Yes, The MPX R1 does MIDI. It is meant to give you control of all >things MIDI. ah, thanks for correcting me, Greg. Some other questions, in addition to Miko's: - Can the footswitches be programmed to act in a momentary or toggle function? Momentary meaning you press the switch and one midi string is sent, when you let go of the switch, a second midi string is sent. Toggle meaning the first time I press a given switch, it sends one string of midi commands, the second time I press it it sends a second string. The most obvious example of momentary is playing notes or chords on a synth, where press down on the switch sends the note-on and releasing it sends the note off. Toggle is useful for a stomp-box like approach, where you might have one effect assigned to a given switch. So you press that switch and the effect comes on, press again and it turns off. The PMC-10 and Roctron pedals can do these and I find it extremely useful. - Does it have midi in? If so, can it do things like midi merge, midi filtering, etc.? - Can you send all possible midi commands? For example, I want to send note-on, note-off to synths and samplers. I'd also like to send start-song and stop-song messages to sequencers. And for any commands not explicitly available, I'd like to be able to send sysex, or even just directly type in the hex for the midi command. (for example, I'm a long way from needing this, but eventually I would like to use Midi Show Control for lighting and such. If I could spontaneously set the lighting while playing, that would be very cool. I wouldn't expect this in a midi pedal, but if I could type in the hex for it myself that would be fine.) Again, I can do this stuff with the PMC-10. But like Miko, if the pmc starts acting up I'd like to know what else I can get. - how many patches/banks/sets etc can it hold? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:17 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 12:14:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj8oH-0004aV-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:14:13 -0800 Message-ID: <349AD5C6.791C@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:15:02 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Happy Holidays Everybody! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nTjahD.A.wrD.8Ptm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1970 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:14:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 0b9c207b7018a98b68a6f5d6ae80c61e Drumworker wrote: > > Best Wishes to All! > > I know that I'm kind of a "back bencher" (a Canadian parlimentry term - means > you don't hear from me much) but thanks for you're responses to my questions > in the last few months. I have saved a tonne of information regarding > looping/gear/etc. which has helped solve both current dilemmas and for future > reference. > > So.... I hope which ever you're celebrating is great and I look forward to the > next year of sharing info. After all, life is just a big loop ya know. > > Cheers, > Paul Ormandy > "Drumworker@aol.com" I hope it's a spiral! %^) Motley From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 13:14:43 1997 Received: from gatekeeper.wj.com [204.30.16.2] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj9kc-0002LH-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:14:31 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.wj.com (8.8.5/8.8.6) id NAA15874; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccsmtp(144.172.15.213) by gatekeeper.wj.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015865; Fri, 19 Dec 97 13:14:11 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ccsmtp.wj.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 00065241; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:16:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:05:41 -0800 Message-ID: <00065241.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: PMC-10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part X-UIDL: 4efad6ef1ad9a14b4b69ed89c7f85f24 Methinks this might become a situation where the PMC-10 begins appreciating in value slowly... I better start hoarding them now before it becomes another Vortex. It really is a great pedal capable of far more than all other pedals but one. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: PMC-10 Author: Kim Flint at INTERNET Date: 12/19/97 12:06 PM At 12:37 PM -0500 12/19/97, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: > Miko said and asked:" I've been hoping to see more sturdy units >capable of >> assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the >> ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as >> well. >> This gives you the ability to control several midi module real >> time >> controllers with a single pedal. >> >> Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is >> it's >> architecture like? Is it easy to program?" >> >> There was a lone reply from our kindest forum host which >> stated:"Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think >> it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong." >> >Yes, The MPX R1 does MIDI. It is meant to give you control of all >things MIDI. ah, thanks for correcting me, Greg. Some other questions, in addition to Miko's: - Can the footswitches be programmed to act in a momentary or toggle function? Momentary meaning you press the switch and one midi string is sent, when you let go of the switch, a second midi string is sent. Toggle meaning the first time I press a given switch, it sends one string of midi commands, the second time I press it it sends a second string. The most obvious example of momentary is playing notes or chords on a synth, where press down on the switch sends the note-on and releasing it sends the note off. Toggle is useful for a stomp-box like approach, where you might have one effect assigned to a given switch. So you press that switch and the effect comes on, press again and it turns off. The PMC-10 and Roctron pedals can do these and I find it extremely useful. - Does it have midi in? If so, can it do things like midi merge, midi filtering, etc.? - Can you send all possible midi commands? For example, I want to send note-on, note-off to synths and samplers. I'd also like to send start-song and stop-song messages to sequencers. And for any commands not explicitly available, I'd like to be able to send sysex, or even just directly type in the hex for the midi command. (for example, I'm a long way from needing this, but eventually I would like to use Midi Show Control for lighting and such. If I could spontaneously set the lighting while playing, that would be very cool. I wouldn't expect this in a midi pedal, but if I could type in the hex for it myself that would be fine.) Again, I can do this stuff with the PMC-10. But like Miko, if the pmc starts acting up I'd like to know what else I can get. - how many patches/banks/sets etc can it hold? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 13:24:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xj9u4-0003Pk-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:24:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:05:41 -0800 Message-ID: <00065241.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: PMC-10 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"T-mynD.A.HOC.BPum0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1972 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:24:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c22a355f4c1c96d42878d171a6cbbf2 Methinks this might become a situation where the PMC-10 begins appreciating in value slowly... I better start hoarding them now before it becomes another Vortex. It really is a great pedal capable of far more than all other pedals but one. -Miko ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: PMC-10 Author: Kim Flint at INTERNET Date: 12/19/97 12:06 PM At 12:37 PM -0500 12/19/97, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: > Miko said and asked:" I've been hoping to see more sturdy units >capable of >> assigning multiple controllers to one ex-ped or another. And the >> ability to assign each individual controllers midi channel as >> well. >> This gives you the ability to control several midi module real >> time >> controllers with a single pedal. >> >> Has anyone tried the new Lexicon MXP floor controller? What is >> it's >> architecture like? Is it easy to program?" >> >> There was a lone reply from our kindest forum host which >> stated:"Isn't the Lex pedal only dedicated for the MXP? I didn't think >> it was actually a midi pedal, but I could be wrong." >> >Yes, The MPX R1 does MIDI. It is meant to give you control of all >things MIDI. ah, thanks for correcting me, Greg. Some other questions, in addition to Miko's: - Can the footswitches be programmed to act in a momentary or toggle function? Momentary meaning you press the switch and one midi string is sent, when you let go of the switch, a second midi string is sent. Toggle meaning the first time I press a given switch, it sends one string of midi commands, the second time I press it it sends a second string. The most obvious example of momentary is playing notes or chords on a synth, where press down on the switch sends the note-on and releasing it sends the note off. Toggle is useful for a stomp-box like approach, where you might have one effect assigned to a given switch. So you press that switch and the effect comes on, press again and it turns off. The PMC-10 and Roctron pedals can do these and I find it extremely useful. - Does it have midi in? If so, can it do things like midi merge, midi filtering, etc.? - Can you send all possible midi commands? For example, I want to send note-on, note-off to synths and samplers. I'd also like to send start-song and stop-song messages to sequencers. And for any commands not explicitly available, I'd like to be able to send sysex, or even just directly type in the hex for the midi command. (for example, I'm a long way from needing this, but eventually I would like to use Midi Show Control for lighting and such. If I could spontaneously set the lighting while playing, that would be very cool. I wouldn't expect this in a midi pedal, but if I could type in the hex for it myself that would be fine.) Again, I can do this stuff with the PMC-10. But like Miko, if the pmc starts acting up I'd like to know what else I can get. - how many patches/banks/sets etc can it hold? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:37 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 14:20:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjAms-0000sW-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:20:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:40:21 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Resetting the Vortex? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xXEcbC.A.ZG.sFvm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1973 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:20:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bf0328d623c7842ef659b32a5492898 Hi folks, I recently picked up a Vortex from fellow on the list (Thanks Len :) ) but there seems to be a problem that I was wondering if any of you Vortexians out there could help me out with. To start, I simplly wanted to try out the presets, but ran into a wall. It seems some of the presets aren't where they should be (or just non-existant). The Register/Preset light is off (denoting preset mode), now when I turn the R/P knob to 1, I see and hear 16. There are several others in the following pattern: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 <- knob settings 16 15 6 5 5 6 7 8 8 7 14 13 13 14 15 16 <- settings I get (moving into register mode yields the same sequence) So, what's up here? The effects I do get are correct in that 16 always yields Fractal, 15=Bleen and so on, but I can't get the effects like 1, 2, 3, 10, etc. Is there a way to reset the Vortex to its factory settings? Thanks. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:46 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 15:39:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjC0X-0007LQ-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:39:05 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971220002920.006956e8@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:29:20 +0100 To: "Looper's Delight" From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: Jmman sighted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Gcb5rC.A.0DG.dNwm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1974 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:39:05 -0800 X-UIDL: ca4096c1d36163bcf2a40c7ed0c1117a >>Rogue Music has another Jammie on their auction site #500429--they're still >>crowing about the $ 611 bid they got for the one (soulless East Coast gear >>vampires) >I'd have to say that if you're willing to pay that sort of money for a >JamMan, you should just buy an Echoplex. I wish I could just buy an Echoplex. I have been wishing that for 8 months. Unfortunately it is impossible to just buy an Echoplex. Hope this will change SOON though, as I am starting to loose my patience. On second thougts I think I already did that several months ago...Anyone have a $600 Jamman for sale? (Don't reply to that one, I'm just being silly.) Later, Erik Ljones From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:47 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 16:08:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjCTC-0002Dg-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:08:42 -0800 Message-Id: <97Dec19.180058cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:01:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One Cc: kpaul@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zFWYDC.A.7XB.uqwm0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1975 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:08:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 481fbaa15337bd37d48078b1c695f586 Dear Gentle Readers- As I have privately related to various vociferous would-be Echoplex owners, the fine folks at Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred Music were the recipients of the first batch of EDP's from our gleaming new Nashville plant. We are told to expect at least 100 more units within the next 30-45 days, based on estimates from the assembly plants. Exact locations as to where these units will end up are not available at this time, but I would think any retail establishment worth its salt would respond to a plethora of consumer inquiries with a fat order to Oberheim, especially if they had recently received backordered units that satisfied their grumbling masses. Ne c'est pas? Tom From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:36:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 18:06:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjEIj-00038f-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <"zFWYDC.A.7XB.uqwm0"@ferret> References: Conversation <"zFWYDC.A.7XB.uqwm0"@ferret> with last message <"zFWYDC.A.7XB.uqwm0"@ferret> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Loopers" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Darrow" Subject: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One: WAIT Date: Fri, 19 Dec 97 20:03:34 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"21bpqC.A.ygC.Tbym0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1976 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:06:01 -0800 X-UIDL: b34287e751965df1b9152ad749b4511a Is this first come, first serve? In Feb. it will be a year of waiting. I placed my order with a vender very low in the pecking order, and I understand that completely. But I would have led my life differently if I had been given a realistic time frame from the beginning. Every month it's another 4-6 weeks. Last summer I spent who knows how much gas money on my van because I was carrying around way too much equipment, expecting to be mailed the EDPs upon arival. But that's the least of it. These aren't just toys to me, It's what I want to DO. I was waiting to go back to school so I would have lots of time free to study looping. Now when I get them, if I get them, I'll be too intwined in Plan B to give it my full attention. But the worst of it is how my self confidence has wained while waiting. And what do you tell your grandfather before he dies anyway, "Yes Gramps, I really AM doing something worth while switching from instrument to instrument alone in my room and stomping on tape marks on the floor marked "Multiply" and "Undo" and..." Sorry for the tryrate, but what do you expect after nearly a year? What am I to expect? I understand that it was difficult. And the people that read this aren't neccesarly the ones who screwed up. But when can I expect deliver? Honestly? I think Oberheim should throw in the extra simms for full memory at cost or less, personaly. But that's not why I'm writting this, don't get me wrong. I JUST WANT MY PLEXES. Or at least a date I can expect them so I don't fuck myself again. Peace. ---------- > Dear Gentle Readers- > > As I have privately related to various vociferous would-be Echoplex owners, > the fine folks at Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred Music were the > recipients of the first batch of EDP's from our gleaming new Nashville > plant. We are told to expect at least 100 more units within the next 30-45 > days, based on estimates from the assembly plants. Exact locations as to > where these units will end up are not available at this time, but I would > think any retail establishment worth its salt would respond to a plethora > of consumer inquiries with a fat order to Oberheim, especially if they had > recently received backordered units that satisfied their grumbling masses. > Ne c'est pas? > > Tom > From ???@??? Fri Dec 19 23:37:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Dec 19 20:57:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjGyd-0004xg-00; Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:57:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com Message-ID: <971219235215_1748096162@mrin51.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: rfc-1 midigator Resent-Message-ID: <"As105B.A.NXE.780m0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1977 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:57:27 -0800 X-UIDL: dbcc1859238129fcae81a444136fdbe3 there was a great unit made by lake butler called the midigator. they have gone the way of the dodo, but i have seen many of these units in new condition for a song ($85-125.) i have been using one for years. adrian belew turned me on to them years ago when we toured together. you can send note on/note off, program change (up to 128 commands per pedal per preset, with 128 user programmable presets, five pedals each.)sys-ex messages and they can do lots of things that i haven't scrached the surface of. i use mine to program change effects, do audio path routing ( with FLASH switchers), and trigger samples from my akai s-900. if anyone is interested they can e-mail me directly and i'll tell them where i saw one last. peace, ric hordinski From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 15:15:01 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 15:14:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY5v-0004q7-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:14:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:39 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666699@ccbbn21.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"vvr2fD.A.DQE.sBFn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:14:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c30c342f935e8e137cb594c4a19b59f Status: O X-Status: User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn21.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 15:15:00 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 15:09:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY1N-0004Rj-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:25 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 703f4999307571742db76cbb75551950 Status: O X-Status: kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:29:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 18:26:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjb69-0000oB-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:26:33 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:55:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"J5lBYD.A.ZH.N0Hn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2031 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:26:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e5b1996d37441e2c0e7fc142770e1a3 At 6:12 PM -0500 12/20/97, Ed Drake wrote: >kim said: > >>You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >>most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >>higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >>tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >>looking for though. > >kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is >$999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone yep, they ain't cheap. >I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding >one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one >with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've >done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This >will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of >these. I found one pretty easily, actually. I haven't looked in a while, but I imagine they show up fairly often. For ~$100 and the feature set, I would consider the memory/programmer problems infrequent enough to not worry about them. I've never had the memory problem myself, and you can buy another programmer from Digitech if you need to. I'm not sure how much, but I imagine it's reasonable. >There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, >to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember >downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I >hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, >no patch naming. Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for >me because it is a desk/table >top controller. if you've got loops going, your hands should be free some of the time, right? >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. >Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly >most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer >being made. I do know people using the PMC-10 successfully for international touring. The pedal itself is really quite rugged. The programmer is the only flimsy part, and you wouldn't have that plugged in while performing. > I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out >as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for >someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe >the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are >no longer around and the All Access costs so much? That's basically it. The only significant market for midi pedals is guitarists, and then only the small number who are willing to do more than plug direct into an amp. ...And most of those only need to send program change to their Digitech rack unit. A lot of that market is stripped further by the pedals with all the multieffects built in, like Zoom and DOD have been doing well with. The few players who need something more sophisticated probably have a larger amount of gear and a correspondingly larger budget, and will demand something with very high quality, which appears to be the AllAccess. I think that's why the cheap, sophisticated pedals wound up succombing to the cheaper, unsophisticated pedals. I think if someone were to make put out another midi pedal now, it would either be something cheap and straightforward to compete with the DMC ground control, or something more expensive and powerful to compete with the AllAccess. The best pedals were being made several years ago; getting one used is definitely the best deal. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST >Return-Path: >Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) > by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP > id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 >Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 > (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); > Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) > id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 >X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Ed Drake >Subject: Re: PMC-10 >Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com >Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 > >kim said: > >>You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >>most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >>higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >>tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >>looking for though. > >kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is >$999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone >know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All >Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone >more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to >whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate >it. > >I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding >one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one >with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've >done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This >will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of >these. > >ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up >feature wise to these other units? > >There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, >to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember >downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I >hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, >no patch naming. > >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for >me because it is a desk/table >top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. > >Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly >most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer >being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out >as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for >someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe >the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are >no longer around and the All Access costs so much? > >Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:15:48 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00060 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:25 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19423 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:58 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY5i-0004oz-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:39 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666699@ccbbn21.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"vvr2fD.A.DQE.sBFn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn21.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:22:39 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 17:12:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjZwA-0000pS-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:12:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:10:03 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882673803@ccbbn7.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"-Up8gC.A.Ce.HxGn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2008 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brian415@xmission.com, rainham@connection.com, tspauldi@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com, PeteGilbert@msn.com, landman@wco.com, zenchi@juno.com, deupreec@interagp.com, David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com, mmason@faulkcomp.com, dchapman@seiniger.com, ghenry@bandanacomputer.com, eriks@on-ramp.ior.com, bryan.helm@dinosaur.com, patrick@his.com, ejmd@erols.com, galen@erols.com, grouzer@erols.com, michpres@erols.com, goroovy@erols.com, mehdi@ms.com, mnelson@dmans.com, jcoker@interaccess.com, benvance@opt1mus.com, brijackson@dttus.com, rdunn@nh.ultranet.com, dmic27@ccnet.com, roland@ccnet.com, ngc1275@voicenet.com, floyd@voicenet.com, sgoodman@primenet.com, Paulpop@ssnet.com, gannet@cftnet.com, bplexico@skillset.com, toma@microsoft.com, v-vsgb@microsoft.com, robin.bussell@lucent.com, schreier@lucent.com, ngold@teleport.com, kflint@annihilist.com, dwhite@arbortext.com, klaw@iglou.com, capeloto@mamacass.sp.trw.com, sarchambault@brierley.com, GGZH62A@prodigy.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:12:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c12767c0586d2db0aeca57ce4087d78 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn7.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:15:48 CST >Return-Path: >Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) > by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP > id RAA00060 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:25 -0600 >Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19423 > (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); > Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:58 -0600 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) > id 0xjY5i-0004oz-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:39 CST >From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) >Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666699@ccbbn21.dttus.com> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >Resent-Message-Id: <"vvr2fD.A.DQE.sBFn0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com >Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 > >User brijackson is not defined > > Original text follows > ---------------------------------------------- >Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn21.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) > ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST >Return-Path: >Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) > by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP > id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 >Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 > (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); > Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) > id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 >X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Ed Drake >Subject: Re: PMC-10 >Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com >Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 > >kim said: > >>You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >>most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >>higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >>tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >>looking for though. > >kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is >$999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone >know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All >Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone >more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to >whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate >it. > >I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding >one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one >with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've >done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This >will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of >these. > >ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up >feature wise to these other units? > >There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, >to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember >downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I >hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, >no patch naming. > >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for >me because it is a desk/table >top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. > >Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly >most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer >being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out >as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for >someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe >the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are >no longer around and the All Access costs so much? > >Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:15:48 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00060 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:25 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19423 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:13:58 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY5i-0004oz-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:39 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882666699@ccbbn21.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"vvr2fD.A.DQE.sBFn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1979 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:13:54 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn21.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 kim said: >You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >looking for though. kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is $999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate it. I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of these. ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up feature wise to these other units? There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, no patch naming. Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for me because it is a desk/table top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways (toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are no longer around and the All Access costs so much? Ed From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:22:58 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 17:17:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xja1h-0001Jd-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:17:53 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:15:55 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882674155@ccbbn8.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"gzp5k.A.eDB.B3Gn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2010 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brian415@xmission.com, rainham@connection.com, tspauldi@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com, PeteGilbert@msn.com, landman@wco.com, zenchi@juno.com, deupreec@interagp.com, David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com, mmason@faulkcomp.com, dchapman@seiniger.com, ghenry@bandanacomputer.com, eriks@on-ramp.ior.com, bryan.helm@dinosaur.com, patrick@his.com, ejmd@erols.com, galen@erols.com, grouzer@erols.com, michpres@erols.com, goroovy@erols.com, mehdi@ms.com, mnelson@dmans.com, jcoker@interaccess.com, benvance@opt1mus.com, brijackson@dttus.com, rdunn@nh.ultranet.com, dmic27@ccnet.com, roland@ccnet.com, ngc1275@voicenet.com, floyd@voicenet.com, sgoodman@primenet.com, Paulpop@ssnet.com, gannet@cftnet.com, bplexico@skillset.com, toma@microsoft.com, v-vsgb@microsoft.com, robin.bussell@lucent.com, schreier@lucent.com, ngold@teleport.com, kflint@annihilist.com, dwhite@arbortext.com, klaw@iglou.com, capeloto@mamacass.sp.trw.com, sarchambault@brierley.com, GGZH62A@prodigy.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:17:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 769aee9fde92a1eb42957659dc83a1b1 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn8.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; 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I've been recieving about ten (10) of the following message! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx At 05:56 PM 12/20/97 CST, ccMail SMTPLINK wrote: >User brijackson is not defined > > Original text follows > ---------------------------------------------- >Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn22.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) > ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:56:03 CST >Return-Path: >Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) > by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP > id FAA00021 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:53:32 -0600 >Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA21847 > (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); > Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:53:45 -0600 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) > id 0xjYiC-0000XB-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:53:40 -0800 >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:50:06 CST >From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) >Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882669006@ccbbn12.dttus.com> >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >Resent-Message-Id: <"TLlyAB.A.ZL.PmFn0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1987 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com >Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:53:40 -0800 > >User brijackson is not defined > > Original text follows > ---------------------------------------------- >Received: from smtp03.dttus.com by ccbbn12.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) > ; 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Sat, 20 Dec 97 17:11:37 CST >Return-Path: >Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) > by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP > id FAA00032 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:08:56 -0600 >Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA19174 > (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); > Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:09:09 -0600 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) > id 0xjY12-0004QK-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 >X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:12:29 -0500 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: Ed Drake >Subject: Re: PMC-10 >Resent-Message-Id: <"oEy8p.A.r3D.L8En0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1978 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com >Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:09:04 -0800 > >kim said: > >>You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >>most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >>higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >>tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >>looking for though. > >kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is >$999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone >know for sure? Also on Rocktron's Web site there is a manual for the All >Access available to download in pdf format (Adobe Acrobat) so if anyone >more knowledgeable than myself wants to check it out and report back as to >whether this thing has all the capabilities needed, I know I'd appreciate >it. > >I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding >one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one >with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've >done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This >will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of >these. > >ric hordinski mentioned the rfc-1 midigator. How does this unit stack up >feature wise to these other units? > >There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, >to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember >downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I >hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, >no patch naming. > >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for >me because it is a desk/table >top controller. It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. > >Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly >most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer >being made. I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out >as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for >someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe >the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are >no longer around and the All Access costs so much? > >Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:23:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 17:28:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaCJ-00029H-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:51 -0800 Message-ID: <19971221012455.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.17.137.83] From: "Gambaude Palliard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Robert Rich/Amoeba Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:24:54 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"wb1Ci.A.uwB.jAHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 91add74d66d7a64015ddafb1046d34a9 Hi all, Robert Rich's name doesn't seem to come up very often on this list, however many must be familiar with his solo or collaborative works (with Steve Roach and others) and know that his music is very loop-based (a spring 97 issue of Keyboard, I believe, had a little feature on him, & mentioned use of several Jamdudes). I have a copy of his 1997 cd Watchful for sale. Please e-mail me personally if you're interested. Some info on the cd follows. happy looping, Gam On Watchful, Amoeba presents a cinematic 48-minute document of corrupted memories, recurring dreams, and personal crises in extreme close-up. Watchful is a strange trip along a very twisted path. The tracks: Inside It's a big world out there, and you're keeping a copy of it in your head FYI. Opening with simple hand drum and guitar, Inside explodes into a panorama of swirling guitars and Djimbes. Skin Where do you end and the rest of the world begin? Rich dwells psychotic over the "fragile line between blood and air." Hans Christian's cello adds a smooth and unsettling film over Davies' guitar pulse. Out there. Origami Instrumental featuring Davies on slow-motion guitar and Rich on alien woodwinds. Can't Find My Feet (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) The wind blows so hard that a simple walk up the block ignites an identity crisis. Stark voices by Ivy Barry set against on Rich's wind-blown vocals sends a shiver down your spine. Guitars and cellos swarm, rinse, and hang dry. Ignoring Gravity Is lucid dreaming the favorite pasttime of the collective unconscious majority? Dunno, but courtesy of Rich, this vessel is more than just a nice place to visit. Don Swanson (of L.A. art-rock ensemble The Telling) brings the snare and cymbals. Water Vapor The blue sky has become a pool reflecting the ceiling of a cold, damp cave. Rich supplies a courteous warning on lap steel. Desolation W.S. Burroughs once said "Thou shalt not be such a shit you don't even know you are one." Rich's vocals and Davies' guitars take it personally, and lacerate in unison. A new all-time low. Big Clouds Squelching voices dance and play as the storm subsides amid bursts of drums and blasts from within the pan pipes. Saragossa (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) Inspired by, among other things, the film, The Saragossa Manuscript. Pull on a single strand and the whole damn sweater unravels. Any Other Sky Catatonia in Catalunia. One minute you're on the east coast, the next on the west. You wake up to discover your address book has been out of date for 20 years. Splendid rhythms from Davies and Swanson and sax pedal tones from Scott Wright tune your head to receive Rich's mantra: "Doesn't matter." Watchful The titles role at the end of a 45-minute movie. Overhead power lines rattle. Piano and guitar discuss. Rumbling bass concurs now and then. Assume crash positions. "I've seen the future, and it is slow." - A.Harris, San Francisco 1990 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:23:26 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 17:41:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaOK-0003Qn-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:41:16 -0800 From: JFOG10 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:36:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jane, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!!!!!!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Zce0a.A.c1C.iLHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:41:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 721f8a222c8bc02059b6bd18174f7d57 Wow....this is FUN!!!!!! LOL JIM From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:23:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 17:50:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaXT-0004SO-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:50:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:47:13 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882676033@ccbbn12.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"ypt6Z.A.YzD.FUHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2020 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:50:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 00248270e10772ee155aed577d5d5bca User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp03.dttus.com by ccbbn12.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:47:10 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00008 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:44:39 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA28526 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:45:12 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaS2-0003rt-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:45:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:42:51 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882675771@ccbbn3.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"Eja9YC.A.VOD.9OHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2018 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:45:06 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn3.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:42:49 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00003 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:42:27 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA28228 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:40:53 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaNq-0003NE-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:40:46 -0800 From: JFOG10 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:36:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jane, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-Id: <"Zce0a.A.c1C.iLHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:40:46 -0800 Wow....this is FUN!!!!!! LOL JIM From ???@??? 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Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:31:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27792 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:32:29 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaFk-0002V2-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:37 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882675037@ccbbn3.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"kEcKrD.A.cCC.qDHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn3.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:34 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00026 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:30:12 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27572 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:28:38 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaC1-000282-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Message-Id: <19971221012455.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-Ip: [209.17.137.83] From: "Gambaude Palliard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Robert Rich/Amoeba Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:24:54 PST Resent-Message-Id: <"wb1Ci.A.uwB.jAHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Hi all, Robert Rich's name doesn't seem to come up very often on this list, however many must be familiar with his solo or collaborative works (with Steve Roach and others) and know that his music is very loop-based (a spring 97 issue of Keyboard, I believe, had a little feature on him, & mentioned use of several Jamdudes). I have a copy of his 1997 cd Watchful for sale. Please e-mail me personally if you're interested. Some info on the cd follows. happy looping, Gam On Watchful, Amoeba presents a cinematic 48-minute document of corrupted memories, recurring dreams, and personal crises in extreme close-up. Watchful is a strange trip along a very twisted path. The tracks: Inside It's a big world out there, and you're keeping a copy of it in your head FYI. Opening with simple hand drum and guitar, Inside explodes into a panorama of swirling guitars and Djimbes. Skin Where do you end and the rest of the world begin? Rich dwells psychotic over the "fragile line between blood and air." Hans Christian's cello adds a smooth and unsettling film over Davies' guitar pulse. Out there. Origami Instrumental featuring Davies on slow-motion guitar and Rich on alien woodwinds. Can't Find My Feet (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) The wind blows so hard that a simple walk up the block ignites an identity crisis. Stark voices by Ivy Barry set against on Rich's wind-blown vocals sends a shiver down your spine. Guitars and cellos swarm, rinse, and hang dry. Ignoring Gravity Is lucid dreaming the favorite pasttime of the collective unconscious majority? Dunno, but courtesy of Rich, this vessel is more than just a nice place to visit. Don Swanson (of L.A. art-rock ensemble The Telling) brings the snare and cymbals. Water Vapor The blue sky has become a pool reflecting the ceiling of a cold, damp cave. Rich supplies a courteous warning on lap steel. Desolation W.S. Burroughs once said "Thou shalt not be such a shit you don't even know you are one." Rich's vocals and Davies' guitars take it personally, and lacerate in unison. A new all-time low. Big Clouds Squelching voices dance and play as the storm subsides amid bursts of drums and blasts from within the pan pipes. Saragossa (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) Inspired by, among other things, the film, The Saragossa Manuscript. Pull on a single strand and the whole damn sweater unravels. Any Other Sky Catatonia in Catalunia. One minute you're on the east coast, the next on the west. You wake up to discover your address book has been out of date for 20 years. Splendid rhythms from Davies and Swanson and sax pedal tones from Scott Wright tune your head to receive Rich's mantra: "Doesn't matter." Watchful The titles role at the end of a 45-minute movie. Overhead power lines rattle. Piano and guitar discuss. Rumbling bass concurs now and then. Assume crash positions. "I've seen the future, and it is slow." - A.Harris, San Francisco 1990 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:38:18 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 18:38:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjbHv-0002Jv-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:38:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 20:32:33 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882678753@ccbbn22.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"haX5_D.A.lXB.P-Hn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2036 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:38:43 -0800 X-UIDL: f3d03ad0a086dfa4998720faf9b1b5f9 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp07.dttus.com by ccbbn22.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 20:32:27 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp07.dttus.com (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA00003 for ; 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Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:44:39 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA28526 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:45:12 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaS2-0003rt-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:45:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:42:51 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882675771@ccbbn3.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"Eja9YC.A.VOD.9OHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2018 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:45:06 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn3.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:42:49 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00003 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:42:27 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA28228 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:40:53 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaNq-0003NE-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:40:46 -0800 From: JFOG10 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:36:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jane, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-Id: <"Zce0a.A.c1C.iLHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2016 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:40:46 -0800 Wow....this is FUN!!!!!! LOL JIM From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 18:42:58 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 18:42:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjbLY-0002lX-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:42:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 20:37:13 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@ccbbn14.dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882679033@ccbbn14.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"M5RMN.A.d0B.6BIn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2037 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:42:28 -0800 X-UIDL: e14152b13a573aea31867ea2b6ccc16e User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp03.dttus.com by ccbbn14.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 20:37:11 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp03.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00013 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:34:49 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA01434 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:35:22 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjbEW-0001sa-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:35:12 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 20:28:16 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882678496@ccbbn7.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"NlMJXD.A.M8.y6Hn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2035 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:35:12 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn7.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 20:28:14 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00063 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:27:45 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA00918 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:26:11 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjb5e-0000k8-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:26:02 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19971218204212.00cade5c@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:55:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-Id: <"J5lBYD.A.ZH.N0Hn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2031 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:26:02 -0800 At 6:12 PM -0500 12/20/97, Ed Drake wrote: >kim said: > >>You might want to try the Rocktron All Access pedal. It looks to me like the >>most powerful and rugged pedal out there, although the price is quite a bit >>higher. ($500?) The people I know who don't pay much attention to the price >>tag all seem to use the Rocktron. I'm not sure if it does what you're >>looking for though. > >kim, I checked into the All Access and the list price on that sucker is >$999, so I'm guessing the street price is $600 (ouch!) or more. Does anyone yep, they ain't cheap. >I'd love to check out a PMC-10, but I think the problem there is finding >one, and then if you do, crossing your fingers and hoping you don't get one >with the memory crashing problem or a faulty hand held programmer. I've >done some Web searching for this unit but I've had no luck so far. This >will probably take time, patience, persistance and luck to find one of >these. I found one pretty easily, actually. I haven't looked in a while, but I imagine they show up fairly often. For ~$100 and the feature set, I would consider the memory/programmer problems infrequent enough to not worry about them. I've never had the memory problem myself, and you can buy another programmer from Digitech if you need to. I'm not sure how much, but I imagine it's reasonable. >There is also a Yamaha Midi unit, that seemed at the time I checked on it, >to have a lot of features but I don't remember the model #. I do remember >downloading some info about it from Yamaha's Web site. I also remember I >hated the display which consisted of Patch/preset numbers and that was all, >no patch naming. Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for >me because it is a desk/table >top controller. if you've got loops going, your hands should be free some of the time, right? >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. >Anyway it's sad that the one of the most feature laden as well as possibly >most affordable but maybe not as roadworthy units (PMC-10) is no longer >being made. I do know people using the PMC-10 successfully for international touring. The pedal itself is really quite rugged. The programmer is the only flimsy part, and you wouldn't have that plugged in while performing. > I'd like to compare all of these units and see what shakes out >as far as features, price, and availability. Maybe the market is ripe for >someone to come out with a top notch affordable MIDI controller or maybe >the market is so small, that's why the PMC-10 and the rfc-1 midigator are >no longer around and the All Access costs so much? That's basically it. The only significant market for midi pedals is guitarists, and then only the small number who are willing to do more than plug direct into an amp. ...And most of those only need to send program change to their Digitech rack unit. A lot of that market is stripped further by the pedals with all the multieffects built in, like Zoom and DOD have been doing well with. The few players who need something more sophisticated probably have a larger amount of gear and a correspondingly larger budget, and will demand something with very high quality, which appears to be the AllAccess. I think that's why the cheap, sophisticated pedals wound up succombing to the cheaper, unsophisticated pedals. I think if someone were to make put out another midi pedal now, it would either be something cheap and straightforward to compete with the DMC ground control, or something more expensive and powerful to compete with the AllAccess. The best pedals were being made several years ago; getting one used is definitely the best deal. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? 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Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:31:56 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27792 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:32:29 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaFk-0002V2-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:37 CST From: admin_dtt.usa.hub@dttus.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711208826.AA882675037@ccbbn3.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-Id: <"kEcKrD.A.cCC.qDHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2013 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0800 User brijackson is not defined Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from smtp01.dttus.com by ccbbn3.dttus.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sat, 20 Dec 97 19:30:34 CST Return-Path: Received: from dac-ans1.dttus.com (dac-ans1.dttus.com [10.5.10.45]) by smtp01.dttus.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00026 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:30:12 -0600 Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.NET) by dac-ans1.dttus.com with SMTP id AA27572 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:28:38 -0600 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjaC1-000282-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Message-Id: <19971221012455.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-Ip: [209.17.137.83] From: "Gambaude Palliard" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Robert Rich/Amoeba Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:24:54 PST Resent-Message-Id: <"wb1Ci.A.uwB.jAHn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: brijackson@dttus.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:28:33 -0800 Hi all, Robert Rich's name doesn't seem to come up very often on this list, however many must be familiar with his solo or collaborative works (with Steve Roach and others) and know that his music is very loop-based (a spring 97 issue of Keyboard, I believe, had a little feature on him, & mentioned use of several Jamdudes). I have a copy of his 1997 cd Watchful for sale. Please e-mail me personally if you're interested. Some info on the cd follows. happy looping, Gam On Watchful, Amoeba presents a cinematic 48-minute document of corrupted memories, recurring dreams, and personal crises in extreme close-up. Watchful is a strange trip along a very twisted path. The tracks: Inside It's a big world out there, and you're keeping a copy of it in your head FYI. Opening with simple hand drum and guitar, Inside explodes into a panorama of swirling guitars and Djimbes. Skin Where do you end and the rest of the world begin? Rich dwells psychotic over the "fragile line between blood and air." Hans Christian's cello adds a smooth and unsettling film over Davies' guitar pulse. Out there. Origami Instrumental featuring Davies on slow-motion guitar and Rich on alien woodwinds. Can't Find My Feet (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) The wind blows so hard that a simple walk up the block ignites an identity crisis. Stark voices by Ivy Barry set against on Rich's wind-blown vocals sends a shiver down your spine. Guitars and cellos swarm, rinse, and hang dry. Ignoring Gravity Is lucid dreaming the favorite pasttime of the collective unconscious majority? Dunno, but courtesy of Rich, this vessel is more than just a nice place to visit. Don Swanson (of L.A. art-rock ensemble The Telling) brings the snare and cymbals. Water Vapor The blue sky has become a pool reflecting the ceiling of a cold, damp cave. Rich supplies a courteous warning on lap steel. Desolation W.S. Burroughs once said "Thou shalt not be such a shit you don't even know you are one." Rich's vocals and Davies' guitars take it personally, and lacerate in unison. A new all-time low. Big Clouds Squelching voices dance and play as the storm subsides amid bursts of drums and blasts from within the pan pipes. Saragossa (samples in QuickTime and AIFF format) Inspired by, among other things, the film, The Saragossa Manuscript. Pull on a single strand and the whole damn sweater unravels. Any Other Sky Catatonia in Catalunia. One minute you're on the east coast, the next on the west. You wake up to discover your address book has been out of date for 20 years. Splendid rhythms from Davies and Swanson and sax pedal tones from Scott Wright tune your head to receive Rich's mantra: "Doesn't matter." Watchful The titles role at the end of a 45-minute movie. Overhead power lines rattle. Piano and guitar discuss. Rumbling bass concurs now and then. Assume crash positions. "I've seen the future, and it is slow." - A.Harris, San Francisco 1990 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 19:25:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 19:23:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjbyo-0004tx-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:23:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: purple.tmn.com: tbickley owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Bickley X-Sender: tbickley@purple.tmn.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DIE! DIE! DIE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8vTIeD.A.aTE.OrIn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2040 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:23:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 839136bd5af831e2b1b8559c9be54a3e Yes, looping works better as auditory rather than conceptual net art. Thanks for saving us, Kim! -Tom On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > wow, really sorry about that! Damn glad I checked my mail when I did, or it > would have gotten really scary..... > > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > * disciplined reading * * haiku structures perception * tbickley@artswire.org * disciplined writing * From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 19:19:18 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 19:19:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjbv4-0004Y0-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:19:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:14:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: DIE! DIE! DIE! Resent-Message-ID: <"gkpZqB.A.dDE.unIn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2039 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:19:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 2f876467412e3fc02055c217bf9b7829 wow, really sorry about that! Damn glad I checked my mail when I did, or it would have gotten really scary..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 19:26:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 19:27:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjc3J-0005IU-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:27:41 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: <2b229476.349c8ac0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:19:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"yJd6fC.A.9xE.XwIn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2041 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 19:27:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ef738e373ac93864f9396d99e64902f In a message dated 12/20/97 8:25:29 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > I think >if someone were to make put out another midi pedal now, it would either be >something cheap and straightforward to compete with the DMC ground control, >or something more expensive and powerful to compete with the AllAccess. Wow, I guess I really started something here with my innocent question! I was basically just looking for a midi pedal so that I don't have to also get the Echoplex pedal, but it looks like the Echoplex pedal may be more cost efficient. I was planning on checking out a Ground Control to handle the TriAxis and the TC Electronics efx (as well as the Echoplex, but it looks like no go) and hoping I wouldn't be surrounding myself with pedals. Speaking of the Echoplex, a call to Thoroughbred Music gave me the info that they won't have Plexes available for about 6-7 weeks, as I would have figured from what was posted here previously. Marshall From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 00:39:01 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 21:25:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjdte-0001pB-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:25:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0DA6.6E6CD3C0@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 00:21:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sN6FiD.A.RhB.AfKn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2042 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:25:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 5ee1f2de0a5b4d18927625cfc68bd6bd On Saturday, December 20, 1997 6:56 PM, Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] wrote: > Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a > built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 > charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. Actually, it's the FC200 and it works extrememly well if you can get over the display limitation. Also, it should cost $200-250. > >Finally, one other MIDI controller which I am aware of, is the PC-1600x > >from Peavey. Now I've never been a big Peavey fan, but this seems to be an > >incredibly deep controller, however as a guitarist this unit won't work for > >me because it is a desk/table > >top controller. > > if you've got loops going, your hands should be free some of the time, right? > > >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over > >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways > >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various > >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the > >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of > >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. > > Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about > getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my > feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. Right now, Manny's can special-order a new PC1600x for under $300. Or they have the previous model, the PC1600, in stock for ~$280. (You can buy an OS upgrade for the PC1600 to bring it current with the PC1600x.) Go to the Peavey web site to check out the feature list on this pup. It's way, way powerful. (I'll be getting a PC1600x next month.) Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 00:39:04 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 22:58:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjfKv-0004mi-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:58:05 -0800 Message-ID: <349CB11A.58A7@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:03:06 -0700 From: Scott Archambault Reply-To: metaphor@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC-200 References: <01BD0DA6.6E6CD3C0@jbrainin@interactive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1TpMwC.A.KTE.Q1Ln0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2043 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:58:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d80e99f8d76a7664efdfcce015e9b63 > Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a > built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 > charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. Actually, it's the FC200 and it works extrememly well if you can get over the display limitation. Also, it should cost $200-250. Wow. Where can you can get a FC-200 at that price? I just paid $320 for mine today (the only one they had sealed in a box) at Guitar Center. And that was after the asshole salesman tried to sell me one without batteries (it comes with six AA batteries as a power source) and one without a manual as "new." I don't know why I keep shopping there... But anyways... The FC-200's seem to be getting harder and harder to come by... buy yours now! It's a great resource. Scott Archambault metaphor@earthlink.net From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 00:39:05 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 20 23:51:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjgAf-0006Jx-00; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:51:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@rodan.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 In-Reply-To: <2b229476.349c8ac0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"K13IkC.A.nvF.ymMn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2044 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 23:51:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 49ae7842b7bdfa9db7197752222b3e11 Hey, How about ART's X-15 Ultrafoot. I used one for years and it worked pretty well. They have one used at the Ithaca Guitar works in Ithaca NY.I think they're on the web. Mark. From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:16:48 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 01:23:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjhbv-0000sX-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:23:47 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: <19971221092803671.AAA62@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"l1AkiB.A.pi.s9Nn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2046 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:23:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 041294d7ccc68ea42fe54cc760202eda At 18.01 19/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Gentle Readers- > >As I have privately related to various vociferous would-be Echoplex owners, >the fine folks at Bananas at Large and Thoroughbred Music were the >recipients of the first batch of EDP's from our gleaming new Nashville >plant. Hi Tom I'd like to see as soon as possible one of yours informative post titled "How To Buy an Echoplex in Europe". Am I onlyd dreaming? What's about CE? Could be possible to order the unit from those USA stores, bypassing CE control? thanks leo PS Have the new units still that little thermal problem or it was fixed? From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:16:48 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 01:23:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjhbr-0000s2-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:23:43 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Time and accuracy Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: <19971221092803671.AAB62@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"FNx9wD.A.eh.j9Nn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2045 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:23:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 369379ace7dbf3c9742c3fb76ed0094e hi About accuracy for loop time, lately I'm creating my loops to a midi clock from a cheap drum machine. The drumachine is synced slave to my jamman and the only output of the click goes to my earphone. No sound out from the speakers, only the loop of my lines. I wear a mono earphone at low volume to have the chance to perfectly hear the music. My loops are incredibly better since I've been using this method. To begin, Just sing mentally the phrase you're going to play starting and stopping the rec/tap function at the desired points. Don't play until the synced click start in your ears! Then you have a perfect time reference for more rythimc things, pulsing at the time you choose singing your part previously. I think this could be a good method for live solo looping performance or for syncing other instruments too. Think that drummers play to a click since stone age. Why not us loopers? But if you wanna be free live you could use just as a practice method. ciao leo From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:16:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 01:31:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjhjh-0001ME-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:31:49 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:30:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd0df3$2011e6a0$7ef1ffd0@future-perfect> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"07G6p.A.sHB.5FOn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2047 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 01:31:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 6159074a8ba4bf929bbb5ebe30412ab4 The X 15 only works on one midi channel, making it useless in controlling multiple processors. Also, (and I had one for a few years when I only had one FX unit, and ART SGE that made horrific noises...) the CC pedals had like 10 steps, so it was impossible to send smooth messages. The old ones, like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. Almost as bad as the Plex's beige color. Dave EIchenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Music must be heard for it to become real, and to be born into our world" -Robert Fripp >Hey, > >How about ART's X-15 Ultrafoot. I used one for years and it worked pretty >well. They have one used at the Ithaca Guitar works in Ithaca NY.I think >they're on the web. > >Mark. > > From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:15 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 02:18:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjiSP-0002jQ-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: <349CF941.B40@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:11:00 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Christmas question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lnx0eD.A.JEC.DvOn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2048 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:18:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 33d23c37b2f14c4d4793e050640c050a For you all I would need a few informations and an advice. I would like to buy a new reverb because the one I already have are too bad (ie: ART SGE mach 2, Midiverb 4, DSP 1287). These reberbs have a too much dinstiguable sound. I'd like a ransparent kind of space processor. I'd like to hear the "size" of the place in thereverb, not the reverb itself. The bad thing is, I don't have much money. I could not go far from about 500 bucks. Magazine tests led me to choose 3 competitors: Lexicon Alex, Lexicon reflex, and Yamaha REV-500. 1) Can you tell me how much these are in the USA (an average STREET PRICE) if one can... 2) Does any one sees reasons why I would choose one over the others (not to mention some new model advice in that line of price. Thanx to everyone in advance. From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 02:27:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjibQ-0003ay-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:27:20 -0800 Message-ID: <349CFBC3.6527@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:21:42 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: replace References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GfejsB.A.rID.G5On0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2049 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:27:20 -0800 X-UIDL: a74bcea61823436bb010d136471a5bb6 Is it me? I never noticed a "replace" fonction on the jamman that would allow just to replace a part of a loop while it is still running..` Am I so stupid. I did not see it in the manual either.` Maaybe I can't read too, but please I need explanations! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:17 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 02:40:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjio4-0004GC-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:40:24 -0800 Message-ID: <349CFEEA.4197@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:35:10 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:DIE.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tQYj0C.A.NzD.rFPn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2050 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:40:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 9217a46577bbcbe050eaef1086b411ba Never thought we could have real trouble with feedback loops... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:18 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 02:42:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjiq1-0004Rj-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:42:25 -0800 Message-ID: <349CFF67.1C6A@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:37:15 +0000 From: Malhomme Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: I P L X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Buying in Europe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0jKHwC.A.16D.oHPn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2051 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 02:42:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d02281fa5fbae88729f1c05ac130af8 Why not buy it in the States, and get it through things like UPS?... That save the CE thingie anyway... Nope? " I'd like to see as soon as possible one of yours informative post titled "How To Buy an Echoplex in Europe". Am I onlyd dreaming? What's about CE? Could be possible to order the unit from those USA stores, bypassing CE control? thanks leo" From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 15:21:41 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 14:16:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjtg4-0000H8-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:16:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:37:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"o_bzAB.A.UB.iRZn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2057 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:16:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 8cffbbbd6dbcf011fd317844b1fbbd63 >At 4:30 AM -0500 12/21/97, future perfect wrote: >> The old ones, >>like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. >>Almost as bad as the Plex's >>beige color. Hey I have one of these, barely used that I'm willng to part with if anyone is interested. ( The Art X-15 that is.) Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:33 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 11:03:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjqen-0000bg-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:03:21 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:57:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Resent-Message-ID: <"kGA62.A.YU.5bWn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2054 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:03:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 518c6b96ff194592be61b90e5300decc >> >It has 16 buttons along the bottom with a slider/fader over >> >each of the buttons. The buttons can be configured to work various ways >> >(toggle or momentary, etc) and the sliders can be assigned to send various >> >MIDI info as well. There is info about this device readily available at the >> >Peavey web site if someone wants to check it out. I don't know the price of >> >the PC-1600x but a friend of mine got one at a music store blowout for $200. >> >> Really? I'd buy it at that price. Where? I've been seriously thinking about >> getting a controller like that. Once I had two expression pedals at my >> feet, I realized I wanted more! A bank of sliders would be perfect. > >Right now, Manny's can special-order a new PC1600x for under $300. Or >they have the previous model, the PC1600, in stock for ~$280. (You can buy >an OS upgrade for the PC1600 to bring it current with the PC1600x.) Go to >the Peavey web site to check out the feature list on this pup. It's way, way >powerful. (I'll be getting a PC1600x next month.) > I've had a PC 1600 for about 3 or 4 years now, it's an incredibly handy little piece. Here's a few uses I've found for it: A real-time system exclusive programmer for a Yamaha DX-7 synth, which makes the DX generate some REALLY sick sounds, a million miles beyond the tinkly fake rhodes... A real-time programmer for the LXP 1 and 5. A controller surface for mixing in Deck, Studio Vision, etc. This one I just figured out. I can plug the output of the LFO or Envelope Generators of my modular system into one of the pedal inputs, and convert it to a MIDI controller. Great for syncing effects to the LFO. I paid about $380 for it, and it's been very worth that. I haven't upgraded to the 1600x software yet, but I understand it fixes one of the major problems I've found with the unit: the original 1600 can't calculate system exclusive checksums, which limits it's use as a sys-ex controller to gear that doesn't require checksums. It seems like just about every new synth uses checksums, so this is pretty bothersome. Actually, some of the new Peavey gear is really impressive. I have their SP/SX sampler combo, which is a great sounding, small and cheap sampler, and the SPAF Analog Filter, which was on the market several years before the current rage for anything analog, and sounds excellent. Also, a friend has their (rather expensive) tube pream in his studio, and I'm quite impressed with the sound. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 12:13:50 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 11:27:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjr1r-0001en-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:27:11 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:21:48 -0800 To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: replace Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"_H3foD.A.zTB.qyWn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2055 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:27:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 32cb55ac4b02980e791e3738597494c9 At 3:21 AM 12/21/97, Malhomme Olivier wrote: >Is it me? >I never noticed a "replace" fonction on the jamman that would allow just >to replace a part of a loop while it is still running..` >Am I so stupid. I did not see it in the manual either.` >Maaybe I can't read too, but please I need explanations! >Olivier Malhomme It's the "Punch-In" loop mode, the left side of the selector dial. In this mode, the recording starts as soon as you punch the tap switch (or footswitch). In the other mode, recording starts at the next loop boundary. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 15:21:36 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 12:19:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjrqN-0003mN-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:19:23 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd0df3$2011e6a0$7ef1ffd0@future-perfect> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:36:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 Resent-Message-ID: <"2p9edD.A.QQD.LjXn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2056 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:19:23 -0800 X-UIDL: f6d9dfbb5f6abe531775673d611b35f4 At 4:30 AM -0500 12/21/97, future perfect wrote: > The old ones, >like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. >Almost as bad as the Plex's >beige color. Hey, that's classic Oberheim beige! jeez, no repect for tradition..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:19 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 03:08:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjjFL-00057o-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:08:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971221124323.25cf3250@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:43:23 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: FC-200 In-Reply-To: <349CB11A.58A7@earthlink.net> References: <01BD0DA6.6E6CD3C0@jbrainin@interactive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o_YdqC.A.8pE.LgPn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2052 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:08:35 -0800 X-UIDL: fbc92557c290ccc2b6145fc4c649b246 >>> Do you mean Roland? There is the FC-100, which is quite powerful and has a >>> built in expression pedal. But like you say, the display is only a 3 >>> charcter LED type, which sucks for a pedal. >>Actually, it's the FC200 and it works extrememly well if you can get >>over the display limitation. Also, it should cost $200-250. >Wow. Where can you can get a FC-200 at that price? I just paid $320 >for mine today (the only one they had sealed in a box) at Guitar >Center. The FC-200's seem to be getting harder and harder to come by... buy >yours now! It's a great resource. Over in the UK there's a few companies bundling FC200's free with GX700's, ie GX700+FC200 for about $500. Michael From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 11:17:19 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 03:11:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjjIB-0005ND-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:11:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971221124652.0b3f689a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:46:52 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: replace In-Reply-To: <349CFBC3.6527@infobiogen.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"dJaTzC.A.y1E.VjPn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2053 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:11:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 932d93eed8343050ec77e53024715a53 Olivier asked: >Is it me? >I never noticed a "replace" fonction on the jamman that would allow just >to replace a part of a loop while it is still running.. >Am I so stupid. I did not see it in the manual either. Either you're not, or we both are - it never occured to me either! This is going to completely rewrite my Xmas plans... Michael From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 17:59:00 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 15:45:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjv3P-00040H-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:45:03 -0800 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:29:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: FC-200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"SiSIAD.A.hcD.pkan0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2059 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:45:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d55957bed07d8ed0a716343e96e1e96 Can the FC-200 be set up to send out commands on different MIDI channels, such as: 2 switches send program changes to unit A and two other switches send different commands to unit B? Coolest thing on paper about the 200 seems to be the SIX cv pedal jacks in back... Thanks David From ???@??? Sun Dec 21 17:58:59 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 21 15:41:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xjuzh-0003ef-00; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:41:13 -0800 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <412555c9.349da756@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:33:40 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Xyd_hB.A.tLD.2gan0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2058 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:41:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 7d7d322f8bd20437fb9fa75cee7fdb08 Sounds like maybe a a pretty outa-site pedal (for studio use anyway) would be an FC-200 controlling a PC 1660x...I don't have either one, of course--Anybody got any sense of how they would work together? My idea is that the Roland could just put some of the faders and buttons from the Peavey on the floor, thereby overcoming any of the limitations of the Roland's implementation... whaddaya think? dpc From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:28:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 06:35:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xk8ww-0000sm-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:35:18 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F530A78@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #260-#280... Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:39 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"P3pDoC.A.Bj.Jmnn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2060 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 06:35:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 74e8d1f247034cfed28a0af6f781b212 Good lord! This is the kind of loop from hell that I've always feared! D UNDO -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com [SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 1997 8:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #268 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: Jane, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!!!!!!!! >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:28:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 09:32:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkBi9-0003dq-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0EBB.739A30C0@post34.sequeltech.com> From: cdrynan@sequeltech.com (Chris Drynan) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" , "Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:24:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD0EBB.739A30C0" Resent-Message-ID: <"px2MYD.A.85C.ULqn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2061 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:32:13 -0800 X-UIDL: e25c4b8f18bf4e42955565d32e6b42ed Remove me from this list!!!1 -----Original Message----- From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com [SMTP:Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 1997 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #238 << Message: Untitled Attachment >> << Message: Re[2]: PMC-10 >> << Message: Resetting the Vortex? >> << Message: Re: Jmman sighted >> << Message: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One >> << Message: Re: How To Buy an Echoplex, Step One: WAIT >> << Message: rfc-1 midigator >> << Message: Re: PMC-10 >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> << Message: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message >> From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:28:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 09:44:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkBuS-0004uS-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0ED6.AD295800@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Fw: Lake Butler Mitigator pedal $150 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:38:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD0ED6.AD30F920" Resent-Message-ID: <"o4xykC.A.SLE.UYqn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2062 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:44:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 643fc7af75cfdd051fd5f4323f17cd17 In case anyone's interested... TriTeck wrote in article <19971222043100.XAA05630@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > Lake Butler Mitigator Pedal - > Good shape, Exp. pedal input,manual included... > as used by Lou Reed & Smashing Pumpkins... > Popular among keyboardists too (i.e.David Rosenthal) > includes pedal, power supply and manual.....only $150.00!!! > > triteck@aol.com 732-870-6801 > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD0ED6.AD30F920 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IioRAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQuAAQAhAAAAODI5OTI2OUVDOTdBRDExMThCNjc0NDQ1NTM1NDAw MDAA1gYBDYAEAAIAAAACAAIAAQSQBgDwAQAAAQAAABAAAAADAAAwAgAAAAsADw4AAAAAAgH/DwEA AACHAAAAAAAAALU7wsAsdxAaobwIACsqVsIVAAAA3iUuvRDT0BGLZERFU1QAAASCAAAAAAAAgSsf pL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAYW5uaWhpbGlzdC5jb20AU01UUABMb29w ZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAYW5uaWhpbGlzdC5jb20AAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAf AAAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGFubmloaWxpc3QuY29tAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEA AAAhAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBhbm5paGlsaXN0LmNvbScAAAAAAgELMAEAAAAkAAAAU01U UDpMT09QRVJTLURFTElHSFRAQU5OSUhJTElTVC5DT00AAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAA HwAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBhbm5paGlsaXN0LmNvbQAAAgH3XwEAAAAsAAAAvwAAALU7wsAs dxAaobwIACsqVsIVAAAA3iUuvRDT0BGLZERFU1QAAASCAAADAP1fAQAAAAMA/18AAAAAAgH2DwEA AAAEAAAAAAAAAuhyAQSAAQAlAAAARnc6IExha2UgQnV0bGVyIE1pdGlnYXRvciBwZWRhbCAkMTUw APILAQWAAwAOAAAAzQcMABYADAAmAAoAAQAzAQEggAMADgAAAM0HDAAWAAwAJQAiAAEASgEBCYAB ACEAAAA4Mjk5MjY5RUM5N0FEMTExOEI2NzQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADWBgEDkAYA5AMAABQAAAADACYA AAAAAEAAOQAAbbteAA+9AQIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG9DwBeo56/MAN6yRHRi2dERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwB AAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAZAAAAamJyYWluaW5AaW50ZXJhY3RpdmUubmV0AAAAAAMA BhCQO9LUAwAHEDcBAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABJTkNBU0VBTllPTkVTSU5URVJFU1RFRFRSSVRFQ0s8 VFJJVEVDS0BBT0xDT01XUk9URUlOQVJUSUNMRTwxOTk3MTIyMjA0MzEwMFhBQTA1NjMwQExBRERF UjAyTkVXU0FPTENPAAAAAAIBCRABAAAA1gEAANIBAABEAgAATFpGdfR9MaIDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYy APgLYG4OEDAzM50B9yACpAPjAgBjaArAYHNldDAgBxMCgH05CoF1YwBQCwMLtSBJqQOgY2ERMCAA cHkCIOxlJwQgC4B0BJAHkBRwvGQuFPAKogqECoBUBRDCVAWQayA8dAUQFHApFjBAYQbwLgWgbT78 IHcDYBRwFEETsAAgDeCCbBOgPDE5OTcOIBEY8DA0Mw9AMC5YAEFBMDU2MzBARQtgZASBMDIuFAB3 HHMuFvYU9xdgTGFrcROgQnV0GGAFwRaQaWhnYXQFsVAJgAdAICYtCuMb8kdvBHAgcwERAHBlLCBF eHBcLiAfEB2yC4BwHJAs7QOBdR/TGFB1AQAU6BdgmROAIHURMB7AYnkcIO8IYAfwCeAewCYGAADA HuCFC4BnHYB1bXBrC4BzGuAbmFBvICALYAXAYXcEYCPBHFB5BuALEQQAdAMEIB1QbyAoaS5l4C5E YXZpHsAIABEw8wIwEQBsKRu2INUEIB+jER8wcG93HMFzdXD/C1AikABwHsAgZBTxFPACILEqgSQx NRlwGWAhLGAXG7YbthZ9IC6CNzMyAC04NzAtNjgwLxJTLNoVJBHxADEwAAADABAQAAAAAAMAERAC AAAAQAAHMMAJdEkAD70BQAAIMMAJdEkAD70BAwAFgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAUoUAALcN AAAeABSACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAABUhQAAAQAAAAQAAAA4LjAAHgApgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AKoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAA AQAAAAAAAAAeACuACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAAF AAAARnc6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAEDY From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:28:59 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 09:51:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkC0Y-0005Yl-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:51:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:51:03 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9711228828.AA882823863@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"RUwnRC.A.kqE.8cqn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2063 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:51:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 8682fa643b67a23e46c1f727fc2b95a2 Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from ferret by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:48:37 EST Return-Path: Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkBrm-0004d9-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:42:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0ED6.AD295800@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Fw: Lake Butler Mitigator pedal $150 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:38:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 Resent-Message-ID: <"o4xykC.A.SLE.UYqn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2062 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:42:10 -0800 Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:noname (????/----) (00022CDD) From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:29:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 10:27:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkCZc-0000w2-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:27:28 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD0EDC.6D7DD900@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Using the Vortex Live Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:20:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FSwEp.A.Ld.RArn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2064 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 10:27:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 89c5b2fed1c1cbf4266f01e6d57f4f12 I'm finally going to be able to use my Vortex in a live situation on New Year's Eve. Does anyone have any tips on using it with a Top-40 band? Here's my signal flow: Guitar | SansAmp PSA-1 --> Volume Pedal --> Vortex | Marshall 8004 Power Amp | | 12" EV 12" EV The volume pedal and Vortex are in the PSA's effects loop. Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:29:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 11:23:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkDRN-0005ay-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:23:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:17:26 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Time and accuracy In-Reply-To: <19971221092803671.AAB62@Default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tkxICC.A.IsE.Jzrn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2065 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:23:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 24827ed31cdb38cde4e675bba42dffa3 Hey Leo, Try this, program a whole song of drums into your drum machine and have it play out to the mains as you loop to it. I've been doing live shows with other musicians with this method for a while and it works great. Mark. On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > hi > > About accuracy for loop time, lately I'm creating my loops to a midi clock > from a cheap drum machine. The drumachine is synced slave to my jamman and > the only output of the click goes to my earphone. No sound out from the > speakers, only the loop of my lines. I wear a mono earphone at low volume to > have the chance to perfectly hear the music. My loops are incredibly better > since I've been using this method. > > To begin, Just sing mentally the phrase you're going to play starting and > stopping the rec/tap function at the desired points. Don't play until the > synced click start in your ears! Then you have a perfect time reference for > more rythimc things, pulsing at the time you choose singing your part > previously. > > I think this could be a good method for live solo looping performance or for > syncing other instruments too. Think that drummers play to a click since > stone age. Why not us loopers? > But if you wanna be free live you could use just as a practice method. > > ciao > leo > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:29:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 11:36:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkDeE-0006p1-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:36:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: PMC-10 In-Reply-To: <01bd0df3$2011e6a0$7ef1ffd0@future-perfect> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"HEFcTC.A.d7F.UAsn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2066 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:36:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 7177dbe2988fb40884f9ba4aebe53c69 On Sun, 21 Dec 1997, future perfect wrote: > ) the CC pedals had > like 10 steps, so it was impossible to send smooth messages. The old ones, > like mine was, were 'painted' with this pink splatter pattern across them. > Almost as bad as the Plex's > beige color. Ok, let's face it, ART's faux '80s Ocean Pacific/Miami Vice was terrible. And I finally traded my SGX2000 for the Digitech 2112 when I finally realized the there just wasn't any good way to get the ART to sound good. (it did make some pretty kooky sounds, though) However, the CC had 256 steps and was fine for smooth (as smooth as MIDI constant control gets) CC. It was the ART gear itself that did a bad job dealing with the CC messages. I'm also pretty sure that you could set them to send multipal channels by doing some weird set up procedure, but I'm not sure of that. Also, vintage ART gear can be easily modified using my Mark UNuglyator Re-edifice kit (TM) OK, it's just black electrical tape, but it works wonders. Mark. From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:29:22 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 12:10:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkEBB-0001SW-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:10:21 -0800 Sender: jfm3@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <349EC82D.D8D98F00@acm.org> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:06:05 -0500 From: Joe Miklojcik Organization: Rutgers University ACS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: short delay, black tape References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wR5agC.A.8-.2fsn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2067 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:10:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 02a1d73fa73e91597f2e44bcd9876fc0 I have just spent several sessions playing into an incredibly short delay (500 ms, 100% feedback). I play synths, not guitars. Obviously, a longer, "playable" delay is on my wish list, but for the time being I'm having fun. To make up for the relatively short loop length, I find myself playing a longer phrase over and over again by hand. My favorite trick so far is to get a sound with a percussive click or spit right at the beginning and play it in time with the loop over and over. The click "smears" into something really interesting. I read once that the human ear perceptrons use the first 1/20th of a second of a sound to assess a new sound; is it a predator? Is the microwave dinner finished cooking? Is my girlfriend pounding on the doors? I think that when this 1/20th of a second is messed with, it has odd effects on people. Also, the looping makes what the brain might initially detect as an important sound more of a background sound as time goes on. Play a pattern of clicks and pops that really grab you into a loop. Then, wait for the sheer quantity of repetitions to allow your mind to let go of it. Blur the loop into something less aggressive -- perhaps with more bass tones. Later, play the inital pop/click pattern back into the loop again, you will evoke an "AHA!" response. Any other things like these I should try? Warning: the rest has little to do with looping: > Also, vintage ART gear can be easily modified using my Mark UNuglyator > Re-edifice kit (TM) OK, it's just black electrical tape, but it works > wonders. I apply such treatment to everything, regardless of it's inital beauty. I suffer from this horrible disease where if I see words in front of me, I can't play music. Everything gets taped over except for a the small words that label the useful controls. Glad to see that black tape is a fetish others have as well. (Joe Miklojcik) From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 13:29:26 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 12:56:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkEto-0004fq-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:56:28 -0800 From: Drumworker Message-ID: <8460b513.349ed16f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:45:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Question Re: Looping Microphone Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"_yJdsB.A.d-D.fKtn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2068 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:56:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 577ad4562b3fa5ce38c153d325bd63d1 I'm compiling a list of microphones that would be suitable for use when looping with Steel Pan - small condenser and unidirectional (to avoid unwanted sound in the loop). Is any one familiar with the AudioTechnica #AT 4049? Would that be a good choice of mic for this use? Any other suggestions? Thanks all! Paul O. From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 14:15:27 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 13:33:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkFTQ-0007MK-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:33:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:16:59 -0600 From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: short delay, black tape X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-id: <3.0.32.19971222151651.00714574@texas.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"AsCBT.A.oaG.Attn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2069 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:33:16 -0800 X-UIDL: b8c7b706e34fd565c8c127ccd406b888 Yeah Paint it black... Black Velcro Tape is even better. You can have you pedals crawl up the wall and sit on your ceiling by putting velcro stripes in your home studio. I can play several pedals this way using elbows, Peg heads, foreheads, knees as well as feet and toes. You can load your crossbow with those suction tipped arrows and shoot the auto wah into existence perched in its vertical velcro position. Avail at office depots type places. You can even take your computer apart and velcro the parts on the wall attached by their cables. Makes upgrading really a plug and play operation. Randy Jones At 03:06 PM 12/22/97 -0500, Joe Miklojcik wrote: >I have just spent several sessions playing into an incredibly short delay (500 >ms, 100% feedback). I play synths, not guitars. Obviously, a longer, >"playable" delay is on my wish list, but for the time being I'm having fun. To >make up for the relatively short loop length, I find myself playing a longer >phrase over and over again by hand. > >My favorite trick so far is to get a sound with a percussive click or spit >right at the beginning and play it in time with the loop over and over. The >click "smears" into something really interesting. I read once that the human >ear perceptrons use the first 1/20th of a second of a sound to assess a new >sound; is it a predator? Is the microwave dinner finished cooking? Is my >girlfriend pounding on the doors? I think that when this 1/20th of a second is >messed with, it has odd effects on people. > >Also, the looping makes what the brain might initially detect as an important >sound more of a background sound as time goes on. Play a pattern of clicks and >pops that really grab you into a loop. Then, wait for the sheer quantity of >repetitions to allow your mind to let go of it. Blur the loop into something >less aggressive -- perhaps with more bass tones. Later, play the inital >pop/click pattern back into the loop again, you will evoke an "AHA!" response. > >Any other things like these I should try? > >Warning: the rest has little to do with looping: > >> Also, vintage ART gear can be easily modified using my Mark UNuglyator >> Re-edifice kit (TM) OK, it's just black electrical tape, but it works >> wonders. > >I apply such treatment to everything, regardless of it's inital beauty. >I suffer from this horrible disease where if I see words in front of me, I >can't play music. >Everything gets taped over except for a the small words that label the useful >controls. >Glad to see that black tape is a fetish others have as well. > >(Joe Miklojcik) > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 22 20:08:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 22 19:46:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkLIG-0001z6-00; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:46:08 -0800 Message-ID: <00c801bd0f54$3fd90a60$cd22dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Seasonal Greetings and an Invitation to Listen Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:38:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"W5_IzD.A.8kB.tLzn0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2070 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:46:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 0359f142c2b72a941c5636a52ab6d1a4 Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! I'm happy to be able to find the time to post this between working the old year out of our systems, and using real mail (gasp!) to send out packages... This Tuesday, December 23, at 9pm PST, a tradition begun last year continues: Every Christmastime a new ambient music composition is posted on the EarthLight Studios web page (http://www.earthlight.net/Studios), and made available to verified charities on a fee-waived basis. For example, incidental between-sets music at a charitable event, or soundtrack content for public television (you get the idea). This year's edition is called "One Night's Flight"; you're invited to enjoy it in RealAudio format at the EarthLight Studios home page, at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - We've even put up the lights and such for the holidays, and all it needs is you to visit, and listen. The best of this season to all of you, and yours! Stephen Goodman * It's here! Really! No, really! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From ???@??? Tue Dec 23 12:59:17 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 23 00:16:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkPVc-0006hs-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:16:12 -0800 From: JFOG10 Message-ID: <1fb3981.349f722a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 03:11:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 'nother Vortex FOR SALE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"4_E5vB.A.5BG.uJ3n0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2071 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:16:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a1a240de623fb8c398f03117eb90e64 Hi kids.....been busy and haven't posted in a while, so I'm sorry to be just schilling something...I'll add something more constructive soon ;) Lexicon Vortex Morphing Multi-effects unit for sale.......good condition...with manual and power supply.....great sounding, creative unit.........$200 or possible trade for TC electronics Chorus , a decent midi module for my MAC or Fender Mexican Jazz Bass........ Jim From ???@??? Tue Dec 23 13:00:35 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 23 10:11:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkYo4-0000eZ-00; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:11:52 -0800 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.61 Message-ID: <1896@mainstring.win.net> Reply-To: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:48:52 Subject: Janis Ian, jamwoman From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) Resent-Message-ID: <"TGWMuD.A.fSH.V0_n0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2072 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:11:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ca640bf2a88a4341ee15f4ecc4cd2b5 Janis Ian is known and respected as a folk/pop singer-songwriter, but of late her live performances have incorporated a range of electronics. Here is an excerpt from an article in Acoustic Guitar magazine (February 98 issue)... < For vocal looping and effects, she has a Lexicon Jamman, a Digitech Vocalist, and a Yamaha SPX-900. Vocal looping has been a part of her show ever since the Breaking Silence album, and it can be quite spectacular. "We were doing a little bit of call and response stuff with an SPX years ago," she recalls. "My soundman started doing it on 'Ride Me Like a Wave'. And then when I started working with Philip Clark, my Australian sound guy, we were talking about, Wouldn't it be great if we could sample but didn't have to deal with a sampler? I called [a dealer] to ask whether there was anything like that, and he said 'Yeah, there's this great thing called the JamMan and it's really cheap.' And so we got one and boy, it was just an awesome thing. So we started using one, and now we're looking for more because they stopped making them." > PK From ???@??? Wed Dec 24 23:02:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 24 13:51:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkyiX-0003eM-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:51:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971224164744.006859c4@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: ngc1275@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 16:47:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Theatre of the Mind Subject: ***Happy Holidays*** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ygMQ5D.A.GHD.qLYo0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2073 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:51:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f523c73b92b2719b430f33a66a45db7 Hi Everyone, Just want to say how much I've enjoyed the streams of the L.D. for the past year and wish everyone H A P P Y H O L I D A Y S and a L O O P Y N E W Y E A R Mark b. From ???@??? Wed Dec 24 23:02:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 24 14:04:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xkyuq-0004TN-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:04:36 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01bd10b6$e7d30320$c722dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 13:57:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"AmwvqB.A.47D.bYYo0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2074 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 14:04:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 1da57b499e5178f9db71b5b407635d1b Best of wishes and all fine things of the season to all of you...! Come on by and view my Christmas card to evvybuddy, since I obviously cannot post it here (though that'd be neat, huh?) I've linked in to autoplay my Christmas song, "One Night's Flight" (RealAudio), by the way. :) http://www.earthlight.net/Christmas Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions From ???@??? Wed Dec 24 23:02:48 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 24 23:00:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xl7H2-0002BG-00; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:00:04 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 01:50:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Using the Vortex Live Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ck6vtD.A.i3B.YNgo0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2075 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 23:00:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 51241d6a3326cb5b29bfd00638afd874 Mark: The LoOpDoctOrs are completely addicted to playing live with the Vortex. In fact some might say that without the Vortex, the Docs are simply a pulse in search of a morph, that said, the most important thing with the Vortex is to try, if possible, to run it in stereo. Perusing your equipment set up, it sounds like you're using a single head Marshall, so we would suggest trying to get the Vortex feed into the PA mixer if the pa is in true stereo. Not that you can't have fun with a Vortex in mono...but there are a lot fewer calories. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Dec 25 23:36:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 25 10:35:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xlI8C-0007Mt-00; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:35:40 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: <26e7348c.34a2a484@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:22:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"4NxtEB.A.VqG.Kaqo0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2076 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:35:40 -0800 X-UIDL: e6a84f9476c4b04d9ce4f6503aacb75b Hi Dave: Thanks for you Peavy post. On a more detailed level, have you tried controlling the Jamman or Vortex or Echoplex with the PC1600 thingy? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Dec 25 23:36:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 25 11:17:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xlIn5-0000if-00; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:17:55 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:13:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Resent-Message-ID: <"97_Y3.A.Lg.mCro0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2077 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 11:17:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c946de55dce50170e6989314430f500 >Hi Dave: > >Thanks for you Peavy post. On a more detailed level, have you tried >controlling the Jamman or Vortex or Echoplex with the PC1600 thingy? > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs Well, not really. I didn't have the Echoplex long enough to really get too deeply into the MIDI implementation, and since the Vortex doesn't have MIDI, there's really nothing you could control from the Peavey. I have considered writing a Jamman control patch, using the buttons on the Peavey to send patch changes, but haven't as yet. One thing I have found is that using a MIDI to CV converter (my Doepfer modular includes one), you can plug the CV output into the pedal input on the Vortex, and control morphs via MIDI. I'm wondering if you could use gate voltages into the tap pedal input to MIDI sync the vortex. Unfortunately, all my gear is packed away right now because of my impending move, and it may be a week or 2 before I can set it all up again. I'm starting to feel withdrawal already. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Dec 25 23:36:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 25 13:14:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xlKbS-0004FH-00; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:14:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971225130850.00a3f100@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:08:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rBDqOD.A.WxD.Yvso0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2078 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 13:14:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 748a483c16c28674bb2f80bacf363779 That's cool! Does anyone make a standalone MIDI to CV converter? At 11:13 AM 12/25/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >One thing I have found is that using a MIDI to CV converter (my Doepfer >modular includes one), you can plug the CV output into the pedal input on >the Vortex, and control morphs via MIDI. I'm wondering if you could use From ???@??? Thu Dec 25 23:37:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 25 23:12:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xlTw6-00049Z-00; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:11:58 -0800 From: Fmplautus Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 02:02:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"qLFYNC.A.hsD.ie1o0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2079 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:11:58 -0800 X-UIDL: ccaa9e225722ecb224dfd7f6492306a6 Thanks Dave for the reply. Hope your move goes well. Actually, enforced absence from artistic endeavors can make for some very interesting out-of- left-field insights with refreshed and renewed purpose as the end reward. The trick is to just go with the deprivation and breathe it deep. We're not just saying thing because we're doctors either. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Dec 25 23:37:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Dec 25 23:15:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xlTzj-0004Q7-00; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:15:43 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:11:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: FC200, PC1600x (was re: PMC-10) Resent-Message-ID: <"9MAcwC.A.p9D.Ck1o0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2080 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:15:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 78391b54e6f0cd9ec29acee2daa50431 >That's cool! Does anyone make a standalone MIDI to CV converter? > >At 11:13 AM 12/25/97 -0800, Dave Trenkel wrote: >>One thing I have found is that using a MIDI to CV converter (my Doepfer >>modular includes one), you can plug the CV output into the pedal input on >>the Vortex, and control morphs via MIDI. I'm wondering if you could use Yeah, Doepfer(www.doepfer.com), Kenton and Encore all do. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Dec 27 22:35:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Dec 27 21:50:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmBcf-00049H-00; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:50:49 -0800 Message-ID: <19971228053927.26794.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: HELP!! Lost echo in JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Vy3TmC.A.dqD.geep0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2081 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:50:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 90e4e384a4a9b0e1994625b576a495b3 93 all, The most horrific thing just happened to me: the echo mode on my JamMan disappeared. It's been replaced by a loop mode. Is my knob bad? Is there a "reset to factory spec" I could use on the thing? Is the processor blown? Loop and sample modes still work fine, I've just lost echo (my most useful mode.) Any ideas? Rev. Doubt-Goat _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sun Dec 28 13:55:17 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 28 05:59:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmJFb-0007dc-00; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:59:31 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <2a174196.34a659ec@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 08:53:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: HELP!! Lost echo in JamMan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"ZIe_pC.A.N_G.Mplp0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2082 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 05:59:31 -0800 X-UIDL: abd212bdb3682cff59045b1f63c3ee44 this has happened to me on occasion too. not sure how or why. about 2 months ago the jamman was being very stubborn and would not echo for me. now it is doing fine. i didn't do anything to it. (except for swear and berate it.) so i guess it healed itself. you should probably get it checked out by someone. i don't know if jamman miracles occur all that often. maybe yours will get better on its own too. i hope so! =-) PJ From ???@??? Sun Dec 28 22:11:42 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 28 17:56:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmURH-0005Z5-00; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:56:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:14:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Polytown Resent-Message-ID: <"B3fCs.A.28E.1Hwp0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2083 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 17:56:19 -0800 X-UIDL: a4e2ddda627bd973461460a7376a37d4 Hello all: I saw this for sale on another list I'm on and I know some folks were looking for it in the recent past. >David Torn, Mick Karn, Terry Bozzio - Polytown (import digipak)...$9 > >Shipping will be $2 for any quantity within the U.S., overseas may be >more. If demand is exceed supply, I will be accepting bids (but no >higher than original discount retail.) There are 20 CDs on the complete >list, sent on request. > >Please reply to ersatz@hal-pc.org >Darryl Roy ersatz@hal-pc.org Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sun Dec 28 22:11:43 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 28 18:07:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmUbo-00066F-00; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:07:12 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 20:58:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 3rd CD/TAPE project. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Zztrf.A.VgF.lTwp0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2084 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 18:07:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 1611e7dbaa942cd6dd40e89c4d4a36a1 Calling all 4 track cassette tape Loopers out there to be a part of the 3rd CD project. If you have 4 track tapes that you would like to have included on a CD project, send me a note. I saw that there were a lot of folks out there that had tapes but no digital capabilities on the 1st and 2nd project. So this is it, here's your chance, send me a note indicating interest, and we'll go over the details. Tenative submission date will be March 31, 1998. See You all, Hope you had a good Holiday. John Peters (ANET@AOL.COM) Acoustic Guitar looper. From ???@??? Sun Dec 28 22:11:48 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 28 19:17:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmVhn-0001k4-00; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:17:27 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <49085fa7.34a7147b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 22:09:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 3rd CD/TAPE project. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Eh-MuC.A.maB.9Vxp0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2085 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 19:17:27 -0800 X-UIDL: d28795c5853affa7dc05257b3284e3e6 hello john, i play with a project called elctric bird niose. e.b.n. play cinematic loop and layered instumental guitar music. two guitarist,beatbox and efects. we are very interested in your compilation and have recorded material mastered to dat. please send us more infomation on your project. we are currently booking shows and would like some infomation on your area of the world.(were do you live?whats the club seen like?) thank you brian mckenzie From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 21:29:18 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 20:40:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmtTD-0002dt-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:39:59 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: HELP!! Lost feedback in echoplex Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 22:34:46 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd1413$17687de0$c63163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SfctGD.A.5KC._oHq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2102 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:39:59 -0800 X-UIDL: aff83df10ecf3e654a5c7f7d0871faf0 Hi, Will gladly pay shipping for the broken foot controller. Please inform. Thanks Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: klaw@iglou.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 10:31 PM Subject: RE: HELP!! Lost feedback in echoplex > Hope everyone had a great Christmas & forthcoming new year. Now then, >anyone had problems with losing feedback in Loop 5.0 ? Ive checked all midi >& external controllers as well as the front panel knob.. no go. Doesnt >matter what size of loop were talking about..... it... fades away..Funny >thing however,after such a fade the feedback led still pulses indicating >content in the loop and a slightly abrasive(on my nerves) metallic whine is >present. Whats up? Panel? > BTW I have a EDP foot controller ( needs repair )available to anyone if >they will pay shipping. It could be something very simple so consider >this.Thanks gang > K Law > > > > From ???@??? Sun Dec 28 22:11:50 1997 >From kflint Sun Dec 28 21:36:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmXsA-00008Z-00; Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:36:18 -0800 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <433209ad.34a735a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:31:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 3rd CD/TAPE project. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"FQwuzD.A.pJH.tXzp0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2086 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 21:36:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 8287f3349d5d32bdbc4bca5aac0d0bb6 Cool! I'm in..state your terms! dpc From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 01:09:42 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 00:12:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmaIx-0006x5-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:12:07 -0800 From: "Clark Battle" To: Subject: Tascam Digital Portastudio - MD Looping Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 23:45:44 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19971229080726.AAA336@default> Resent-Message-ID: <"AyP_c.A.QQG.-p1p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2087 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 00:12:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 94d52269cf023509dc729c47caa3b6a6 I read somewhere that the Tascam Digital Portastudio (a 4track MD device) can loop to 9.9 seconds. Has anyone ever used it for looping? Was it easy to use as such with a foot pedal or not? I ask because if i can do decent looping on it then id rather spend the money on it rather than a Plex. That way ill get a mixer and a good digital multitracker with looping capability all in one. Any opinions? Clark Battle BattleAxe! ~ Sound Tools From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 02:52:10 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 02:51:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmcn9-0004tH-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 02:51:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:31:52 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: my first CD ... advice needed Sender: Michael Peters To: "'Looper's Delight'" Message-ID: <199712290532_MC2-2D63-416@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"5fgQlD.A.tZE.F_3p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2088 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 02:51:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 440e96ecaa10d4f04d56a72ea80e93e9 Advice needed. I'm currently busy finishing my first CD. It is not a carefully constructed collection of perfectly played complex compositions, but rather a best-of showcase of the solo loop improvisations which have piled up over the last 2 years. (I've also done one or two real compositions but I'll save them for my next project.) None of this stuff is of much commercial value. I'd say some of it might be as interesting as the more obscure Torn loops, minus the famous name. So I don't expect to sell a lot. Originally I had planned to publish this thing as CDROMs which I would burn myself, but this would mean a lot of work. There are companies here in Germany who would print a quantity of 300 CDs for DM 1800 (about $1000), and I'm considering doing that instead. I'd give away 20 or 30 CDs as gifts to friends, and maybe sell 20 or 30 CDs to other loopers via the web. That would leave 250 CDs which would be sold very slowly, on occasional gigs (I don't do many at this time) or otherwise. Has anyone of you realized a similar project, and what are your experiences? Where would you send CDs to get more publicity? Is there a distribution method/company (especially for the US, since I'm in Germany) that you would recommend? How would it work? Also, I don't know anything about composition rights and how to deal with them (some of my improvisations might go through as compositions). ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:07:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 10:54:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmkKC-0004FR-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:54:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199712291707.JAA29088@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Looping with a keyboard Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 11:07:32 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"xHRUgC.A.HDD.V9-p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2094 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 10:54:04 -0800 X-UIDL: cd828caba911e5bba3a70cf33bd76ed6 Pulled out my old Roland RD-250s this weekend and plugged into my guitar looping home rig (compressor, Whammy Pedal, volume pedal, Boogie Subway Rocket, ART SGE multi-fx, Rane mixer splitting the effected signal to an 8 second delay and a 4 second delay in parallel, back into the Boogie's power section and out a 10" speaker). The RD-250 is a weighted-key MIDI controller with a few onboard sounds--three acoustic pianos, harpsichord, vibes, clavinova, two electric pianos. This was my first time using it in a looping context, and it was an interesting experience. Altering the eq on the effected signal, with the usual delay/reverb produced all sorts of spooky sounds. The less than perfect fidelity of the delays also helped transform acoustic piano sounds into something new. I was pleased to find that most of my guitar tricks (volume pedal swells, heavy compression before the preamp, judicious use of the Whammy's octave-up harmonization) worked with the keyboard. Turning on the distortion on the amp in conjunction with the Whammy brought up all sorts of cool analog synth sounds. I don't have an external sound module, and you can't edit the sounds in the Roland, but I was really pleased with the "guitaristic" approach to signal processing--running it through low-fi pedals and effects. The Whammy pedal in particular was great for adding all sorts of wobble and usable unpredicatablity in a way that I haven't encountered in synth patches. I'll definitly be trying this out on some of my solo gigs. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:07:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 09:18:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmipc-0003UY-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:18:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199712291711.JAA06406@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Tascam Digital Portastudio - MD Looping Date: Mon, 29 Dec 97 11:11:44 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"tWQR1.A.I7C.Zp9p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2093 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:18:24 -0800 X-UIDL: fd1cb0ddaaf46caccae468c387017b35 >I read somewhere that the Tascam Digital Portastudio (a 4track MD device) >can loop to 9.9 seconds. Has anyone ever used it for looping? Was it easy >to use as such with a foot pedal or not? I ask because if i can do decent >looping on it then id rather spend the money on it rather than a Plex. >That >way ill get a mixer and a good digital multitracker with looping capability >all in one. Any opinions? I have one of the 564 MD four-tracks, and I don't remember it having a looping option, but I'll check the manual tonight. It does allow you to "loop" a section to rehearse punch-in's, but I don't remember there being looping features in the way that this list commonly defines them. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:06:42 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 05:35:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmfM1-0002l1-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:35:37 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:30:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 3rd CD/TAPE project. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"2E7tEB.A.yTC.6Y6p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2089 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:35:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 21fd27ec52fe2deff48043402cbde222 Good to hear from you. I live about 80 miles south of Minneapolis, close to Rochester (home of the Mayo Clinic). The music scene in Rochester is small but growing. There are a few coffee houses and fine restaurants/bars which lend themselves to good music. The rest of the scene is the typical bar situation. As far as St. Paul and Minneapolis, a much brighter picture. Minneapolis, the upscale swank place with the large university close by produces any type of music desired, whereas St. Paul, the old quiet Cow town, has more serene venues. Make sense? Kinda hard to describe. In essence, you've gotta get out and make things happen around here, there are plenty of cool places though. (Mankato, Northfield, Duluth, La Crosse etc. etc.) Ambitious people can make anything happen. The third CD project is for loopers and was primarily intended for 4 track tape submissions; however, I'm sure we can accept DAT demos as well. I'll have to enlist the help of Matt Mcabe for DAT submissions. I'll add your name to the list and keep posting the group as to status. Thanks much!!!!!! From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:06:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 05:40:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmfQo-0003BM-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:40:34 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <27f4ee66.34a7a72e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:35:40 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 3rd CD/TAPE project. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Ay7CfB.A.nrC.xd6p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2090 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:40:34 -0800 X-UIDL: a8b1a909d77e5eb8c2e701bcecfd1d44 I'll add your name to the list. Details forthcoming. From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:06:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 05:44:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmfUz-0003ac-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:44:53 -0800 From: ANET Message-ID: <21bb7b54.34a7a7a7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:37:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: my first CD ... advice needed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"0VxZ8D.A.jDD.Ai6p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2091 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 05:44:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 1066d6ef85ae5887b1b8aea99b261e09 Hey Michael, I've heard some of your stuff and enjoyed what I heard. Intested in submitting one song to the 3rd CD project? From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:06:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 06:44:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmgQJ-0001oU-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 06:44:07 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291CD811@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: HELP!! Lost echo in JamMan Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:30:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"X5XOJD.A.0MB.XY7p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2092 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 06:44:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d7c44cf2fe9c6977f9f4ffdaffb94cc Rev, I suspect that the right hand encoder got damaged or is just defective. The system looks at that encoder to determine what mode it's in. If it is incapable of generating the correct number, the system will never go into the Echo mode. This can be checked by holding the RESET and FUNCTION buttons down on power up. In diagnostics, the right hand encoder selects the test. The selected test number is displayed. The tests should appear sequecially from 0-9,A,b,C,d,E,F (with 0 at the 6:00 position) as the knob is turned. If all the numbers don't appear, the encoder or its associated circuitry is probably bad (note - being a mechanical part, the encoder itself is primary suspect). Note that you don't have to actually run a test here, just try to select each of them. Also note that the system does not have a factory initialization process because the system has no "nonvolatile" memory (it remembers nothing when it is powered down). Email Greg Hogan at ghogan@lexicon.com or call at 781-280-0372 for service info. Bob Sellon Engineer Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Rev. Doubt-Goat[SMTP:dgoat@rocketmail.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 1997 12:49 AM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: HELP!! Lost echo in JamMan > > 93 all, > > The most horrific thing just happened to me: the > echo mode on my JamMan disappeared. It's been > replaced by a loop mode. Is my knob bad? Is > there a "reset to factory spec" I could use on > the thing? Is the processor blown? > > Loop and sample modes still work fine, I've just > lost echo (my most useful mode.) > > Any ideas? > > Rev. Doubt-Goat > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:50:13 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 11:42:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xml55-0001LT-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:42:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971229074544.22778374@texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:45:44 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Looping with a keyboard In-Reply-To: <199712291707.JAA29088@scv1.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"00-cHD.A.oa.fr_p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2096 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:42:32 -0800 X-UIDL: e25badc691c9415f7de62a510a1dca11 hi folks, i must confess that i too respect the keyboard/loopage enlightenment..being a string player (chapman stick, geetar etc.) i have found that my music/gigs have been helped out alot by my cheesey ole Ensoniq ESQ-1 > Korg A2> Alesis Midiverb 3>jamman >Mackie >chain....i am able to loop multi layers of keys via the Jamman...while playing a Stick part through the Plex, with some backward grooves ,of course.... so its with me live from now on,,,i have for better or worse written keys into the musical story,,, when i practice odd scales etc...i will loop a piano>jamman chord maybe add a groove,,,maybe not,,,and i will practice some scales ,,,while hearing the looped chord,,,it has helped me learn new approaches to spontaneous improvisation,,and hearing the interaction of a note before i play it.... see you in the groove james rhodes > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 13:10:19 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 13:08:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmmQE-00013p-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:08:26 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8ED9@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: HELP!! Lost echo in JamMan Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 12:18:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"I8P8P.A.oW.59Aq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2097 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:08:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 7cb6356b2e82ad228eae8027aa1c8b9b Dear Reverend Doubt-Goat, The most likely scenario is that your program switch needs to be replaced. If the machine is under warranty(1 year from original purchase) the machine needs to be returned to the factory for warranty repair. Otherwise you can return the machine to us fir out-of-warranty repair for US$95.00 or purchase the switch from us and have it replaced by you or someone who you know to be capable of doing the work(6 solder points.) Either way, please contact me directly for a return authorization number or to order the part. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: Rev. Doubt-Goat[SMTP:dgoat@rocketmail.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 1997 12:49 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: HELP!! Lost echo in JamMan > > 93 all, > > The most horrific thing just happened to me: the > echo mode on my JamMan disappeared. It's been > replaced by a loop mode. Is my knob bad? Is > there a "reset to factory spec" I could use on > the thing? Is the processor blown? > > Loop and sample modes still work fine, I've just > lost echo (my most useful mode.) > > Any ideas? > > Rev. Doubt-Goat > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 11:07:26 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 11:00:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmkPx-0004lk-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:00:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:35:17 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: my first CD ... advice needed Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712291336_MC2-2D6D-FD7D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"G0Hbd.A.owD.nE_p0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2095 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 11:00:01 -0800 X-UIDL: a767cfaf06fb3be38e4dad456cd825c3 hi John, >I've heard some of your stuff and enjoyed what I heard. >Intested in submitting one song to the 3rd CD project? thanks for asking ... I've applied for the 2nd CD already, and if Matt puts one of my pieces on that CD, I'd rather leave the space on the 3rd CD for someone else - I guess there is not enough space for all the people who want to be on it. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 21:29:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 15:57:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmp4G-0006ft-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: <34A83739.714B15A@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:50:17 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: loopingkeys...to sharkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vxPb1C.A.CnF.LdDq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2098 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:57:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 3c5cffc010213c29b8f74f19c8dfb147 hello james, I'm a new addition to the loopers delight forum and I happened to catch one of your postings in reference to looping keys throgh jam man, etc. I've been caught up in that same action for about a year and a half ( using my roland Paraphonic 505 and local effects, whatever's handy...) and I feel much the same as you do about the musical terrutory the loops have taken me too. Through spontenaity and improvisation I find new worlds of inspiration in every moment/ change. In comparison to "pop", I'll take homemade loops anyday... just a thought j.secord From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 21:29:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 16:15:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmpL1-0000H1-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:15:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:08:58 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Echoplex foot pedal source? In-Reply-To: <34A83739.714B15A@mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"o1ZgP.A.MJH.YvDq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2099 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 16:15:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a0fa9daa691a63ca7da026de6761f2e Now that I've "won" the Echoplex from the Rogue Music auction site I was wondering where I can get the foot pedal for this sucker? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 21:29:13 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 18:58:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmrsz-0004E8-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:58:29 -0800 Message-ID: <34A855CE.2650@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:00:46 -0700 From: Scott Archambault Reply-To: metaphor@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, rec.music.makers.guitar@sweden.it.earthlink.net CC: ghogan@lexicon.com Subject: Lexicon MPX-1 Expandability? Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"a2FqOB.A.qiD.xHGq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2100 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:58:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f5f3e25bf27c173c5cdb766d8dd71a3 Does anyone know if the MPX-1's delay time is expandable (i.e. with future Lexicon software upgrades or simm chips)? I'm very impressed with this boxÑbut I just wish it had a longer delay time. Two seconds are just not enough. (Even my Digitech TSR-24S gives you five seconds to loop with...) Thanks, Scott Archambault metaphor@earthlink.net From ???@??? Mon Dec 29 21:29:17 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 20:29:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmtJK-0001mg-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:29:46 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8ED9@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: RE: HELP!! Lost feedback in echoplex Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:23:46 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"q8liXB.A.QNB.fdHq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2101 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:29:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 36fc46c6073cc2afcd56d9c5b0b199df Hope everyone had a great Christmas & forthcoming new year. Now then, anyone had problems with losing feedback in Loop 5.0 ? Ive checked all midi & external controllers as well as the front panel knob.. no go. Doesnt matter what size of loop were talking about..... it... fades away..Funny thing however,after such a fade the feedback led still pulses indicating content in the loop and a slightly abrasive(on my nerves) metallic whine is present. Whats up? Panel? BTW I have a EDP foot controller ( needs repair )available to anyone if they will pay shipping. It could be something very simple so consider this.Thanks gang K Law From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 02:15:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 29 23:26:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmw4U-00078h-00; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:26:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971229232019.00a45c70@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:20:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: (non-loop content) Triaxis doc In-Reply-To: References: <01bd071d$565fb200$643163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZWhgvD.A.bPG.oEKq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2103 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:26:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 0693d8b05fe6fea537cd24192f1615c0 There are a few Triaxis owners on the list. This post is for them. I've had mine for several years. The "manual" that it came with is about 3 inches x 4 inches - and has no info about setting it up to respond to continuous controllers. I just found out that, although not available on the Mesa website, there is a much better pdf format Triaxis manual on their ftp site (ftp.mesaboogie.com/pub). Am I the only person that got the 3x4 job? From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 03:00:31 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 02:34:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xmz0i-00037Q-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 02:34:56 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971229232019.00a45c70@global.california.com> References: <01bd071d$565fb200$643163d1@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 02:30:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: (non-loop content) Triaxis doc Resent-Message-ID: <"IYRetC.A.NqC.M1Mq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2104 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 02:34:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d143d10ccd05af3a82ae23e5a170df1 At 11:20 PM -0800 12/29/97, Sean Echevarria wrote: >There are a few Triaxis owners on the list. This post is for them. > >I've had mine for several years. The "manual" that it came with is about 3 >inches x 4 inches - and has no info about setting it up to respond to >continuous controllers. I just found out that, although not available on >the Mesa website, there is a much better pdf format Triaxis manual on their >ftp site (ftp.mesaboogie.com/pub). > >Am I the only person that got the 3x4 job? I got mine a year and half ago, and it came with a nice 40 page manual. It includes the continuous controller info. I guess you had to buy it new with the 2.0 software to get that. I've heard so many people whine about programming the CC's that I haven't gotten around to trying. There have been some hardware changes, too. Starting a couple years ago, Lead 1 Red is the dual rectifier version, and starting just recently they added some sort of deep mod. (I think, I'm a little fuzzy on that one, but I think it takes some of the buzziness out of one of the red modes.) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 13:21:32 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 04:59:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn1Gf-0002Ej-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 04:59:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: HELP!! Lost feedback in echoplex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Bp70uC.A.D3B.U9Oq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2105 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 04:59:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a893e51dcc5ebc0fb130f91c83c0f02 On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 klaw@iglou.com wrote: > BTW I have a EDP foot controller ( needs repair )available to anyone if > they will pay shipping. It could be something very simple so consider > this.Thanks gang Still available? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:22:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 13:41:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn9Q1-0003Xz-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:41:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199712302127.NAA10208@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 15:27:02 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"7MPWf.A.8YC.ohWq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2111 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:41:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b09e5c595e1ef64d74cbd260459d841 That's a great piece of gear. I still make extensive use of my Digitech 3.7 sec version. Both models allow you to select "repeat hold" via a front panel button or a foot-pedal. Travis Hartnett >I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 >at a local guitar store that features used equipment. > >I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more >current looping device. Recently saw a Vortex for $287 at a local music >store but that still seems somewhat out of my range. > >I play as a form of stress management (lights dimmed, kids in bed, maybe a >candle or two). So my questions are > >Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? > >Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative >atmospheric music. > >The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 >or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the >time machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that >appears to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers >delight archive. From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 13:22:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 12:48:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn8aL-0006Yv-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:48:21 -0800 From: ENAT21213 Message-ID: <26f0232c.34a95b5f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:36:44 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: submision Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"4IS8V.A.7kF.oxVq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2106 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:48:21 -0800 X-UIDL: f9c755c5a285ed3de0173166e344a6ac I would like to submit a tape to be considered for the upcomming loopers delight cd conpilation.I could not find a address in the L.D. comp. section.Do any of you know the address were i can submit my tape to? thanks brian electric bird noise ENAT21213@aol.com From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 13:22:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 13:04:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn8qD-0000E2-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:04:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199712302044.MAA19763@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: submission ---> address for submissions Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:56:49 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sV2bPB.A.fuG.w_Vq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2107 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:04:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d3e98eb00e2cb4101e5589e2072787f > From: ENAT21213 > I would like to submit a tape to be considered for the upcomming loopers > delight cd conpilation.I could not find a address in the L.D. comp. section.Do > any of you know the address were i can submit my tape to? > thanks DATs should be sent to me. Very soon I will be posting my address. I've been holding off because there are still some important details to hash over and I don't want to get a million DATs before everyone knows exactly what's involved with the project. In other words....Stay Tuned! Matt From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:21:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 13:21:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn96k-0001Tz-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:21:50 -0800 From: lwordsman@pirnie.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:17:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199712302117.QAA00107@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> To: Loopers-delight@annihilist.com X-Mailer: MailNet 4.10 Resent-Message-ID: <"wsltzD.A.JAB.mSWq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2108 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:21:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 4e4d5b9e677b42ced51f2ba80c423eb0 I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 at a local guitar store that features used equipment. I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more current looping device. Recently saw a Vortex for $287 at a local music store but that still seems somewhat out of my range. I play as a form of stress management (lights dimmed, kids in bed, maybe a candle or two). So my questions are Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative atmospheric music. The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanx! From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:21:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 13:33:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn9Ho-0002de-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:24:52 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <199712302117.QAA00107@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sNVkPB.A.6qB.oaWq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2109 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:16 -0800 X-UIDL: ffcd640625a95578597f29da78422f77 On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 lwordsman@pirnie.com wrote: Don't overlook the Zoom 508. it give you 4 seconds of very clean delay and it's workong very well for me as a looping toy. > > I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 at a local guitar store that features used equipment. > > I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more current looping device. Recently saw a Vortex for $287 at a local music store but that still seems somewhat out of my range. > > I play as a form of stress management (lights dimmed, kids in bed, maybe a candle or two). So my questions are > > Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? > > Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative atmospheric music. > > The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Thanx! > All rights reserved. No part of skullsaw may be reproduced in any form without written consent from skullsaw www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:21:58 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 13:33:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn9Hw-0002eb-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <199712302117.QAA00107@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sJeWDB.A.vuB.IbWq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2110 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 4aae8364fc48c78365e937aac929aef7 On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 lwordsman@pirnie.com wrote: forgot to mention the Zoom 508 is going for $100 new. > > I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 at a local guitar store that features used equipment. > > I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more current looping device. Recently saw a Vortex for $287 at a local music store but that still seems somewhat out of my range. > > I play as a form of stress management (lights dimmed, kids in bed, maybe a candle or two). So my questions are > > Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? > > Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative atmospheric music. > > The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Thanx! > All rights reserved. No part of skullsaw may be reproduced in any form without written consent from skullsaw www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:22:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 13:44:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn9Sv-0003qg-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:44:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000601bd156a$a51e8780$1822dacf@sgoodman> Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Time Machine Antics Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:33:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Thmz6D.A.60C.2lWq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2112 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:44:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a6c63d16ff352bed135dc0f81a1a5bc >I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 at a local guitar store that features used equipment. I got my 7.6 Time Machine for $125 via the Recycler, a used equipment paper (that's also ONLINE at http://www.recycler.com) back in 1992... and it's still ticking! >I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more current looping device. Thus my enthusiasm for the 7.6, given my own relatively destitute status. >Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? Most definately yes. On the unit, with the loop set to be long, and the feedback to the loop set all the way up, is the best way to recreate the tape loop effect we all strive to achieve. There are, mind you, only 16 layers in the unit, thus 16 cycles is ones limit with the loop open. You must open the loop to put stuff into it - and remember to close it so that everything you wanted to keep doesn't just cascade off the top of the stack. This is best achieved with a footpedal, though doable with the ol' fingers on the front panel too. >Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative atmospheric music. > >The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. Pfeh and kibosh! Let me be the first (or one of many) to invite you to my website. ALL of the music produced and posted at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios is done using the 7.6 Time Machine in the signal path. Have a listen and you'll be able to tell if what I'm producing is close to what you want to hear in a looping device. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:22:06 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 14:18:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xn9zN-0006V3-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:18:17 -0800 From: KULTBOX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:06:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: alex! 179 new-chicago Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Pz8rvD.A.jtF.IIXq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2113 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:18:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 97720e5bcef96c9552a25f787ab3c837 hey guyz: guitar center chicago (villa park) a burb has the lexicon alex for 179 new..they only have a few left........ just wanted to pass on the newz... -r From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:22:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 15:54:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnBUH-0006NO-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:54:17 -0800 Message-ID: <34A98846.1F84F6C2@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:23 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------84C9C8CFEC084FBF35F730E7" Resent-Message-ID: <"2DGJ4C.A.SeF.bhYq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2114 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:54:17 -0800 X-UIDL: aeddac50d7d379a9821be42d6f527b94 Return-Path: <> Received: from chmls04.mediaone.net ([24.128.1.114]) by mw.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA24840 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:46:36 -0500 Received: from mail1.noc.netcom.net (mail1.noc.netcom.net [204.31.1.150]) by chmls04.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12857 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (mail-whi.pirnie.com [207.93.215.211]) by mail1.noc.netcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02137 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com ([10.1.1.15]) by mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 253 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost) by mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with internal id SAA00190; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:49:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:49:01 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199712302349.SAA00190@mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SAA00190.883525741/mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com" The original message was received at Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:54 -0500 from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com [10.1.1.211] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- <1wordsman@pirnie.com> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <1wordsman@pirnie.com>... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: innerspace@mediaone.net Received: from mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com [10.1.1.211]) by mailnet.malcolmpirnie.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00160 for <1wordsman@pirnie.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:48:54 -0500 From: innerspace@mediaone.net Received: from mw.mediaone.net ([24.131.1.17]) by mail-whi.malcolmpirnie.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id 137 for <1wordsman@pirnie.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:47:57 -0500 Received: from mediaone.net ([24.131.4.70]) by mw.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA24762 for <1wordsman@pirnie.com>; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <34A98788.B211AB1@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:45:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 1wordsman@pirnie.com Subject: digitech time machine loopers forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey-how ya doin? I'm a recent addition to the loop forum, but I'm well versed in looping through a number of different little toys. I read your message about the Digitech time machine. You said you could get one of the 4.3 sec. units. Over the last five or six years I've had access to both the 3 sec. and 7.6 sec. units, and frankly, I find the digitech time machine's(although very noisy) to be more flexible and user friendly than the lexicon jam man or any other "modern" looper. Don't have time to go into detail now, but I'd love to babble about how much fun these units are to play through. One thing you should be aware of... there are four units in the time machine series. I believe that the 3.0 & 4.0 versions don't have the sample trigger capability that the longer delay units have, and I've grown to love the ability the time knob gives you over creating cool loops from a guitar source. good luck, gotta go. From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:22:16 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 17:21:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnCqw-00056N-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:21:46 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:15:37 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: loopingkeys...to sharkey Sender: R & T Cummings To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199712302016_MC2-2D8E-F848@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"dkclRC.A.MaE.X0Zq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2115 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:21:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 557d917d6c385ca7bd675c8de176f4dd Yes, we amateurs are finally killing pop music by taking it for ourselves! ;-) Rob From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 02:26:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 21:57:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnH9U-0006WS-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:57:12 -0800 From: Marzzz Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:50:10 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: (non-loop content) Triaxis doc Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"JU34w.A.VzF.V2dq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2117 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:57:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 93ee77ab39c5e74b192b5acb42d2702a In a message dated 12/30/97 4:33:37 AM, Kim wrote: <> Correct about the manual. You cab call Mesa Boogie and they will send you a copy. The Lead 1 Red mode was changed with version 2.0 to be a Dual Recto type tone, and since last august was modified some more so that the tone was richer and less buzzy, especially in the upper harmonics. All TriAxis have been shipping this way since last August. Older 2.0 versions can be updated to the "Phat Mod" for $75 plus shipping, 1.0 versions may be more expensive. If you like the Lead 1 Red mode the way it is, I would advise NOT getting the Phat Mod. For me, I didn't like the Lead 1 Red mode, and much preferred the Phat Mod version after I had it installed. Marshall From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 03:33:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnMOn-0005T5-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 03:33:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 06:10:26 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: stereoizing mono with Vortex Sender: Michael Peters To: "'Looper's Delight'" Message-ID: <199712310610_MC2-2D9B-8712@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"DwDwaC.A.pyE.1xiq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2118 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 03:33:21 -0800 X-UIDL: cb9b159052f7e60687fa8d0faa9cd984 I have some mono (or not very stereo) recordings which I'd like to stereo-enhance a little to make them more interesting for headphone listening. I have a Vortex but I'm not very experienced with it yet. Does anyone have Vortex settings for such a purpose? The effect should not be too dramatic. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Tue Dec 30 20:22:18 1997 >From kflint Tue Dec 30 18:22:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnDnM-0001sd-00; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:22:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34AA29B1.6B3C@db3.so-net.or.jp> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:17:05 +0000 From: BUYO-BUYO-IGOR Reply-To: igor@db3.so-net.or.jp Organization: SaRiGaMa's Oil Vending Orchestra X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 [ja] (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: somebody using QT-MID-MOV to have loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KLMv8B.A.bSB.Qsaq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2116 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:22:08 -0800 X-UIDL: e4e83f9247766af6f9ba70719d019a47 Hi! I'm new to this list and writng from Japan. Using 68k-Macintosh and love to to run several QuickTime Movies at once to have different length of loops get mixed forever. I also love Microtuned music and when running MIDI files...there will be a bunch of bend-data flowin in to QT-musical-instruments. What happening when different bends get onto the same MIDI channel? Simply the same with a sound module receiving a lot of MIDI-ins? Or will there be virtual sound modules for each QT-mid-mov file? THANX ------ BUYO-BUYO-IGOR @ SaRiGaMa' Oil Vending Orchestra http://www.dtinet.or.jp/~buyobuyo gianthead@bigfoot.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:36 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 05:20:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnO4o-00038P-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 05:20:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:16:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712311316.IAA20180@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Time Machine Antics Resent-Message-ID: <"QdR9N.A.7rC.7Wkq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2119 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 05:20:50 -0800 X-UIDL: a18f72bd22a2d544b1fb1b739ca59cab Ditto on Stephen's enthusiasm/ I have a Jammie and an RDS 8000 (rack mount 8 sec.--same as 7.6) and love them both--the Time Machine is a great unit for the bucks and has knobs for real-time tweakability not to mention chorusability and flangeing--things I CAN"T do with the Jammie --if you want to do a pedal with knobs, the DOD delay pedals are about $100 discounted for 4 secs. of loops (got one of those too, but like the time machine much better) The Zoom ppedal packs alot of power into a pedal, but you have to SCROLL :( I LIKE KNOBS drone on~~~~Tom >>I happened across a used Digitech Time Machine (4 second delay) for 149.00 >at a local guitar store that features used equipment. > > >I got my 7.6 Time Machine for $125 via the Recycler, a used equipment paper >(that's also ONLINE at http://www.recycler.com) back in 1992... and it's >still ticking! > >>I long to join the ranks of loopers but can't spare the cash for a more >current looping device. > >Thus my enthusiasm for the 7.6, given my own relatively destitute status. > >>Can I create a loop or an infinite repeat with a time machine? > > >Most definately yes. On the unit, with the loop set to be long, and the >feedback to the loop set all the way up, is the best way to recreate the >tape loop effect we all strive to achieve. There are, mind you, only 16 >layers in the unit, thus 16 cycles is ones limit with the loop open. > >You must open the loop to put stuff into it - and remember to close it so >that everything you wanted to keep doesn't just cascade off the top of the >stack. This is best achieved with a footpedal, though doable with the ol' >fingers on the front panel too. > >>Is the time machine a valid entry point for creating a sort of meditative >atmospheric music. > >> >>The clerk tried to steer me to a digital delay pedal ($125 with maybe 800 >or 1600ms delay) as opposed to the the time machine. He described the time >machine as more appropriate for recording booth usage although that appears >to go against the discussions that I've seen in the loopers delight archive. > > >Pfeh and kibosh! Let me be the first (or one of many) to invite you to my >website. ALL of the music produced and posted at >http://www.earthlight.net/Studios is done using the 7.6 Time Machine in the >signal path. Have a listen and you'll be able to tell if what I'm producing >is close to what you want to hear in a looping device. > >Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios >EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! > > > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 05:32:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnOGU-00045S-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 05:32:54 -0800 From: PJBMHB Message-ID: <1090cc9.34aa4895@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:28:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Time Machine Antics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"gbGyC.A.AnD.djkq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2120 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 05:32:54 -0800 X-UIDL: a0c0d76fc7b0b78f1a33c8d287b9e97e i have had the zoom 508 for a few months now and am very happy with it. the 4 seconds of sampling is very cool and i like the fact that you can adjust the treble content of the echoes to give it a more realistic sound. sound-wise, i would say that the zoom clobbers the digitech. i had a rds 3600 that would really cut off the top-end of any signal i fed it. the zoom only does this if i want it to. the zoom also has a tap delay feature which is really cool. with the combined looping capabilities of the zoom and my 32 second jamman i am in loop heaven. (whatever that means!) =-O pj From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:42 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 07:37:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnQCl-0004Sd-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:37:11 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291B8EEC@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: stereoizing mono with Vortex Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:21:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"x6X0RB.A.JxD.OWmq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2121 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:37:11 -0800 X-UIDL: df558cdb82c6d9daad28d61bf570cb75 Michael Peters asked:"I have some mono (or not very stereo) recordings which I'd like to stereo-enhance a little to make them more interesting for headphone listening. I have a Vortex but I'm not very experienced with it yet. Does anyone have Vortex settings for such a purpose? The effect should not be too dramatic." Michael, My suggestion is to start with Choir A. Bring all parameters to 0 except for MIX, OUTPUT and MOD FX LVL which should all be set to 64. I have not tried this but I expect that it should work well for what you are looking for. Please let me know what you think or what you come up with. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:46 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 07:43:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnQIi-00050F-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:43:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971231103844_2049102881@mrin39.mx> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"4-rwUD.A.rYE.Fdmq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2122 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 07:43:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d03060e9f79902f4673fad3de4f3d82 <> If all you're getting for your bucks is 4 sec, why not get a new Zoom 508 pedal? It does a lot, plus has 4 sec of delay for about $100. 4 sec. is plenty for long slow, meditative explorations that are still rhythmic, IMHO. You can also get (when ever they actually ship) a DOD delay pedal that does 8 sec for about $100. I think it's the 98 pedal, or something. check out their website for more info...) dpc dpc From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:51 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 08:17:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnQpz-0007GQ-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:17:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:11:58 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: stereoizing mono with Vortex Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199712311112_MC2-2D9B-C7ED@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"y-rMq.A.6hG.E9mq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2123 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:17:43 -0800 X-UIDL: fbd9cd6689d25ccc650fc9626a1f89f8 >My suggestion is to start with Choir A. thanks Greg, I'll give it a try. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:28:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 10:49:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnTDC-0003MP-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:49:50 -0800 From: HOTAIRKONG Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:41:44 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"Yn0boC.A.clC.GKpq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2124 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:49:50 -0800 X-UIDL: a3c88db5f6de7f6046c833ec9ddd361f Hi Your message about the Lexicon Vortex was forwarded to me by Ric Hordinski. I am interested in purchasing the unit if it has not been sold. Please contact me at this email address or call (503)819-5664. Thankyou Soft Landings Kong From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 15:29:03 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 13:42:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnVuM-0000aR-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:42:34 -0800 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <940e9b3b.34aaba62@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:34:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Resent-Message-ID: <"4SqJLC.A.aD.Dsrq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2125 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:42:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 5879bf13f1228c3f064ea21502ae97d0 <> Odd. I believe he was the one who bought my Vortex...sorry, anyway. It's gone! good hunting! dpc From ???@??? Wed Dec 31 19:11:45 1997 >From kflint Wed Dec 31 16:20:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xnYN4-0004Bh-00; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:20:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 19:15:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801010015.TAA26765@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Lexicon Resent-Message-ID: <"QPBMo.A.QiD.0Auq0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2126 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:20:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 80704d302a68aa591c014e2e0f4c3326 At 04:34 PM 12/31/97 EST, you wrote: ><>> >Odd. I believe he was the one who bought my Vortex...sorry, anyway. It's gone! >good hunting! >dpc > > > I have one myself, but not for sale . . . the madness reigns unchecked--maybe the Loopers ought to bankroll a Jamman--Vortex reissue . . . drone on ~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net