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Wed Oct 01 22:29:56 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 1 20:25:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGbt9-0002Z0-00; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:25:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710020319.XAA13558@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: delurking (was: belated LD bday) Resent-Message-ID: <"UWpTNC.A.E6B.ZLxM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/678 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:25:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 42a171ec6157608c7d947e8862370409 At 12:55 AM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >ok, I totally forgot, but the Looper's Delight list had it's 1 year >anniversary Sept 10. It's been a remarkable year, really. We've formed an >amazing little community here with all sorts of interesting folk. I'll say--I signed on after a fellow didgeridu player mentioned LD a couple of weeks ago--GREAT STUFF! quick question about the DOD fx 94 pedal--I'm thinking of getting one, but I think DOD has a reputation amongst guitarists as less than great--how do you think this piece stands up against say some of the Digitech PDS and RDS effects that I see posts about. Allso what are the differences between the RDS xx00 series and the x.x Time machines in the defunct Digitech lines--would these be agood loop choice while I wait for the dream Jamman/Vortex combo to knock on my door (anyone got extras?) Thanks again for all the info! drone on~~~~~~drone on~~~~~~drone on~~~~~~~~drone on~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 22:40:53 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 18:30:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xI20C-0005IK-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:30:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199710060119.UAA07026@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: Vortex wall wart Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:14:40 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-1LujB.A.EhE.H0DO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/718 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:30:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 164511df3b33516c4137b868093f61e4 Someone was kind enough to send me the address and phone for Lexicon but the Devil mede me delete it.Any chance you could send it again?I want to order a wall wart for Vortex. Thanks, LooseBruce From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:47 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 03:14:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGiGo-000154-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:14:10 -0700 Message-ID: <343373A5.465D@fredmarshall.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:12:55 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delurking (was: belated LD bday) References: <199710020319.XAA13558@newman.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D80yLC.A.fy.6M3M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/679 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:14:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 7fc819d3b10d1b9e08cc2318dba8ae9a Tom Lambrecht wrote: > drone on~~~~~~drone on~~~~~~drone on~~~~~~~~drone on~~~~Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net - nice thought . . . "droning on" cast in a positive light . . . - which contains the successive internals: drone on one neon eon on mmm From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 03:27:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGiTG-0001lL-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:27:02 -0700 X-From_:fred@fredmarshall.com Thu Oct 02 03:27:00 1997 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15] (root) by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGiTD-0001kk-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:26:59 -0700 Received: from 206.184.162.48 (beadgcf.vip.best.com [206.184.162.48]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id CAA29475 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34337774.71BB@fredmarshall.com> Old-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:29:10 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: drone on . . . one neo, neon, eon . . . on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:27:02 -0700 X-UIDL: fd3fd74728cb232f51ae2c7e7ecfb69b - fergot about neo m From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 04:08:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGj7i-0003Jo-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:08:50 -0700 Message-ID: <19971002110408.24510.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.173.249.42] From: "alice crash" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 04:04:07 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"k3Ggh.A.g5C.m_3M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/680 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:08:50 -0700 X-UIDL: f91080e9631fda9fb695779a1eee97da have u heard Scorn? on Invisible records. nice minimalist stuff with an almost drum-nbass thing going. its done by the drummer from napa;m death ( but dont let this fool u) A >From lists@slip.net Thu Sep 18 08:49:20 1997 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) > id 0xBipP-0002jF-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:49:15 -0700 >Message-Id: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:51:17 -0800 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) >Subject: Re: music >Resent-Message-ID: <"Prx6SB.A.-UC.mzUI0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/561 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: alicecrsh@hotmail.com >Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:49:15 -0700 > >Kim Flint wrote: >>So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which >>artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record >>store on Saturday, what should I get? >> >I've been listening to "As Is", by We, on Asphodel, quite a lot lately. >They're part of the New York "illbient" scene. The first track mixes some >very cool Rhodes piano loops with some extremely bass heavey (I mean >really, the first drum kick made my stereo amp shut down the first time I >played it) heavey drum 'n bass, it's almost like a d 'n b remix of "In A >Silent Way". Also, Funki Porcini's "Love, Pussycats & Car Wrecks" is >another recent fave. I really think that the jazz/drum 'n bass fusion thing >is finally producing some mature works, with this disc and the recent >Squarepusher stuff. > >Another very nice CD I've been listening to almost daily is Choying Drolma >and Steve Tibbetts "Cho", on Rykodisc. Drolma is a Tibetan Buddhist nun, >and she was recorded singing traditional songs at her monastery in the >Himalayas. Then Tibbetts added various guitars and processing, with a few >other western musicians on percussion and strings. This disc is not >particularly loop-based, but it's deeply beautiful, Tibbetts displays >remarkable restraint and respect for the source materials. > >Also, I've been pulling out my old lps of synthesizer music from the '60's >a lot lately, Morton Subotnick's "Silver Apples of the Moon" and "The Wild >Bull" in particular. I'm amazed at how advanced some of this stuff is, >there's been very little synth music that approaches this, either sonically >or compositionally, in the 30 years since it was recorded. > >>Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about >>looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? Why do we want to do it? >>Why does it show up in so many types of music? Is it something in human >>nature, learned from culture, what? >> >Jeez, Kim, why do you have to ask the hard questions, can't we just go back >to talking about 3rd cousin sync? > >A few weeks ago, I found in a box of non-working music gear an Ibanez >analog delay pedal I bought in 1979. This was my first "looping" device, I >used it for, among other things, making my monophonic synths play chords by >arpeggiatting them in time with the echos. I replaced a pot and put new >batteries in it and it still works. > >I was always fascinated by the sound that remained after I stopped playing, >it seemed to be an entity of it's own, and this led me to experiment with >just about every delay technology, from tape looping to digital delays to >samplers to the JamMan. Every once in a while, I come up with a loop so >complete in itself that it just doesn't need anything else, and I'll leave >it playing in the studio for hours, sometimes for days, checking in with it >every now and again. > >Looping acts like a microscope looking into sound events. A loop lets you >hear, through repetition, details of a small piece of sound that would have >been missed when it was first sounded. Not all sounds can take this >scrutiny, but when you find one that does, the effect is almost magical. > >Anyway, this is some of what keeps me looping... > > >________________________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > >"...there will come a day when you won't have to use >gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in >your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper >type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em >together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em >together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra >________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 04:34:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGjWU-0004Y3-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:34:26 -0700 Message-ID: <19971002112939.19499.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.173.249.42] From: "alice crash" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 04:29:39 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"Vq-MD.A.CAE.iX4M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/681 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 04:34:26 -0700 X-UIDL: c9e425c4ca260a69b0e615607dba733f Pete, as for the humor in looping,maybe content of the loop will work. we found a line from a movie, Doom Generation, in which a young man is explaining " I feel like a gerbal smothering in Richard Gere's butthole". This was looped repeatatively and a lot of noise and drums placed behind in. I for one found the segment extremely funny. When played live, it was hard to judge the audiences reation. A >From lists@slip.net Thu Sep 18 16:21:58 1997 >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) > id 0xBptM-00041Y-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:21:48 -0700 >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pete Koniuto >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: music >In-Reply-To: <9708188746.AA874623023@mail.amsinc.com> >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Resent-Message-ID: <"TAWI6D.A.kdD.kbbI0"@ferret> >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/578 >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: SmartList >Resent-To: alicecrsh@hotmail.com >Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:21:48 -0700 > > >Ed Chang wrote: > >> Anyway, my theory is that 'alien/possibly great' sounds/concepts can >> sound bad even to the genius-composer at the time of creation because it >> doesn't fit comfortably in his/her familiar sound-world... > >Exactly, Ed. It's that uncharted territory thing. I >sometimes hear something i've just worked on, be it a loop >or something else (but usually a loop, since other >pieces and parts happen more slowly, a little more >methodically, or are perhaps more premeditated), and >i'll think, no, there isn't enough high end in this >to make it sound all nice and balanced. It sounds dull, >lo-fi, swampy. It isn't until later that i realize, >i've never heard something so damn swampy--this is stinky >swampy, and it's scaring me, not boring me. IT'S HAVING >IMPACT. > >Often a good clue early on about what is effective, what >has impact musically is when i find myself either >laughing or proverbially scared shitless. Sometimes both. >But if i can immediately sense the humor in a piece, or the >terror, these are probably reflexes to something that >doesn't quite sit easily with that sound-world with which >i'm familiar and all to comfortable. > >Unfortunately, i KNOW i'm much better at the scarey stuff. >At least that's a reaction others often have to my >material, especially my looping. > >Can anyone suggest how to invoke more humor in the looping >process? Either the kind of humor that brings with it >tears; or the kind that pulls out that Cheshire grin to >the listener's lips, like yeah, i get it. > >Torn can do it. During the Polytown sessions, he would >pull schitt out that had everyone in the control room >laughing themselves silly. And he knew it. And i think >he may have even been aiming for that. Or maybe he was >just trying to crack himself up. > >Suggestions on how to bring humor (even the nervous kind) >into the loop? > > >Pete Koniuto > >----------------- >Music Library >Boston University >617-353-3705 >pkoniuto@bu.edu >----------------- > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 05:45:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGkda-0007Yw-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:45:50 -0700 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Thu Oct 02 05:45:49 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGkdY-0007Yi-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:45:48 -0700 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id IAA08205 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34339D61.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:10:57 -0400 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music References: <19971002110408.24510.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:45:50 -0700 X-UIDL: fc3577e7172a1cbd3ba028c28d168888 alice crash wrote: > > have u heard Scorn? on Invisible records. nice minimalist stuff with an > almost drum-nbass thing going. its done by the drummer from napa;m death > ( but dont let this fool u) I think his name is Mick Harris. He has done a lot of cool records- Check out Painkiller (with Bill Laswell and John Zorn) Trevor From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 07:01:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGlpA-0002HP-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:01:52 -0700 Message-Id: <1678.199710021356@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:56:06 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: delurking (was: belated LD bday) Resent-Message-ID: <"e1sUoB.A.lyB.wg6M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/682 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:01:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 706df5bfda1512aa3d65434ad717ce99 >quick question about the DOD fx 94 pedal--I'm thinking of getting one, but I >think DOD has a reputation amongst guitarists as less than great--how do you >think this piece stands up against say some of the Digitech PDS and RDS >effects that I see posts about. Is this the EchoSonic? I read that DOD are planning a new 8sec pedal. The word "Mayhem" was used. Could be interesting. Michael From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:45:59 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 07:57:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGmhJ-0005Wg-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:57:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021453.KAA27783@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: delurking (was: belated LD bday) Resent-Message-ID: <"NDa04C.A.T5E.lV7M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/683 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:57:49 -0700 X-UIDL: e4e548362dcc050656ecdace2b5cb7d3 At 02:56 PM 10/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >>quick question about the DOD fx 94 pedal--I'm thinking of getting one, but I >>think DOD has a reputation amongst guitarists as less than great--how do you >>think this piece stands up against say some of the Digitech PDS and RDS >>effects that I see posts about. > >Is this the EchoSonic? I read that DOD are planning a new 8sec pedal. The >word "Mayhem" was used. Could be interesting. > >Michael > > > > > This one is just called the fx 94--up to 4seconds of delay in three ranges with the kicker of course being infinite loop, trigger and sample settings ;) I tried one out yesterday and liked it for the most part except for a whine thatt changed in pitch as you adjust the "delay" setting (maybe a bad unit?)--it's faint, but annoying during quiet passages and I'd like to use this with a Pignose or my small Gibson tube amp without any other gates etc. on it Looking back at my notes Ed Chang mentioned this unit--any feedback about how it stacks up to the others you've used? Any comments on the old Roland SDE 1000? I saw a used one. The rumored 8 second pedal (according to DOD--I called) will be just like the 94, cept with eight secconds WHEN and IF they du it. They apparebtly exhibited an empty box prototype of it at a show. Thanks again, drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom 57 deg F, beautiful,clear here in St. Louis Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:46:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 08:52:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGnXr-0001o7-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:52:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping in Thessaloniki In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ns9XfC.A.2JB.CH8M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/684 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:52:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 815e1c203d78b2cbc4afb27a779852d0 Comments about LiSa? (Curtis doesn't actually use it (yet) so I will respond). I have found LiSa to be very useful, flexible and stable. Though it appears awkward to use and program at first it is quite simple. It allows you to divide up your available RAM into sample regions and play them back in a bunch of ways. It has some simple filtering that can be fun, and a pattern editor which allows you to create your own playback algorithms. It also juggles voices very well, discarding old ones as it runs out of CPU. It has never crashed or even fuzzed out on me. I have a couple gripes. It has a wonderful set of envelopes for playing back notes, but it can't envelope on record. This is a problem for loopers; if you choose the back and forth playback mode (where it plays the sample backwards and forwards as long as the note is on) and there is a click on either end of the sound that you recorded, you'll hear the click loud and clear as it cycles around. I hate clicks. I've worked around it, but it's a pain. Also, it has this great Scrub playback feature where you can scrub through a soundfile with a control change message. Unfortunately, it doesn't smooth out the control change messages, so it ends up being a lumpy scrub with discrete and audible pitch changes. Still pretty cool though... I highly recommend it, and it's only $200. By the way, our gig went very well! Dan Trueman ---------------- "Oy, Fungus!" Dan Trueman Music Department Princeton University http://www.music.princeton.edu/~dan ---------------- On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Morgan Fisher wrote: > Curtis Bahn wrote: > > >Jam man and echoplex DP driven by interactive MAX algorithms > >LiSa by STEIM > > Aha - LiSa! I just got hold of a demo (for those who don't know, this > program turns your Mac into a sampler) but haven't had time to try it yet. > Do have any comments about LiSa? Is it complex to use compared to regular > samplers such as the Akai, etc? Any special features worth mentioning? > > Hope your performance is a great success, Curtis! > > Morgan Fisher > > > > > > >From Morgan Fisher, Tokyo > Email address: morgan@gol.com > Second email address: morgan_fisher@ringo.net > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:46:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 09:09:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGnou-0003IU-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: <19971002155736.12968.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [205.173.249.42] From: "alice crash" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MIDI Light controllers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:57:35 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"jabNKC.A.LrC.AZ8M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/685 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:09:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 14aa27586abee00d1eb244c7da3cf71f Is anyone using a midi light controller for live shows? Does anyone have the scematics for one? Are there any other lighting control devices that would leave the musician hands free but synch the lights with the music? Im currently using hallogen utility lamps with colored filters to light the stage. Id like to have an on and off for these at different times in the songs. Any ideas? Al. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 09:46:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 09:12:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGnrZ-0003aX-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:12:29 -0700 X-From_:moin@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Thu Oct 02 09:12:24 1997 Received: from eikonwww.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.240.7] (root) by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGnrS-0003Yi-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:12:22 -0700 Received: from luzifer (dial131.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.24.131]) by eikonwww.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA18021 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:12:18 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: <3433C80B.66BBB951@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Old-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:12:59 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill Organization: Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper«s Delight Subject: Equipment Recommendations Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to //www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~moin bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:12:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 4568ca950868fd4bdc4fbf55a41e44d2 Hello Loopers, could some of you give some equipment recommendations to an absolute looping newbie. I like music like Polytown and some of the Fripp stuff. Checked out the music store today for the Vortex a lot of you have been talking about - only to find it is no longer produced... I«m a keyboarder, saxophonist and trombonist. People interested in my (non-looping) music are welcome to check out my site. What are you guys out there using ? (If there«s a FAQ, excuse my stupid question, just give me the url via email then, thanks). Rainer -- *** MOINLABS GFX and Soundworks *** Your choice in professional weirdness http://www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~moin Visit our pages for information on actual projects From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 12:16:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 11:14:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGpm2-0005JF-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:54 -0700 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:23:00 EST Encoding: 26 Text Message-Id: <9709028758.AA875826519@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dfx94 Resent-Message-ID: <"DdhkC.A.YgE.SN-M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/686 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 784ef16571089e43680c0ea45a2a6f20 >Looking back at my notes Ed Chang mentioned this unit-- >any feedback about how it stacks up to the others you've used? >Any comments on the old Roland SDE >1000? I saw a used one. I don't have much more to add than my original post. I agree that it has some noise attached to it, but what I've been doing lately is creating loops and storing them in the unit, and then unplugging the input into the DFX94, which for some reason cuts out some of the noise. Probably because it's not balanced. Another drawback to it is that the mix control only allows the delay/loop sample to match the input "straight" signal. The PDS8000 lets you mix so that only (or almost only) the delay(wet) signal is output. But the DFX94 is great for the price (mine was $84 used) and has all the "mayhem-like" sample-stretching qualities a noisemeister such as myself would require. Oh yeah, the PDS8000 has a footpedal trigger input, the DFX94 does not (I don't think). Boss has another pedal which lets you set the delay times with foot pedal action, I forget the name. With this you can set A and B loop points of beginnings and endings as precisely as you can tap your foot. The DFX94 and the PDS8000 depends on the position of the dial. Anyway enough geartalk. My new favorite record is Portishead:Portishead - that record and the Lamb record from last year give me newfound faith in the state and future of popular music today. ed chang From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 12:16:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 11:48:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGqI9-0000GH-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3433EB36.3B74@u.washington.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:43:03 -0700 From: Thom Heileson Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu Organization: or/Orphean productions / CARTAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Drone one References: <199710020319.XAA13558@newman.concentric.net> <343373A5.465D@fredmarshall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7TztWD.A.xHH.8s-M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/687 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:48:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 3a5ace5c59b1266e82d30f1bf498184a fred marshall wrote: > > Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > > drone on~~~~~~drone on~~~~~~drone on~~~~~~~~drone on~~~~Tom > > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > > - nice thought . . . "droning on" cast in a positive light . . . There's a music list, btw, called "Drone On" -- it's about artists like Bowery Electric, Slowdive, Spaceman3, Stereolab, even some non-guitar artists I think (I'm not on the list, a friend is), but as you can imagine repetition in music is the basic idea, not far removed from this list. -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 12:16:09 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 12:15:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGqir-0002Pi-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:15:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3433F176.1C21@u.washington.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:09:42 -0700 From: Thom Heileson Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu Organization: or/Orphean productions / CARTAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Scorn / Mick Harris References: <19971002110408.24510.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XCxkM.A.jxB.5F_M0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/688 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:15:41 -0700 X-UIDL: c04e7ad4596e7113adef2c5ed0167535 alice crash wrote: > > have u heard Scorn? on Invisible records. nice minimalist stuff with an > almost drum-nbass thing going. its done by the drummer from napa;m death > ( but dont let this fool u) The guy behind Scorn is Mick Harris, and I just picked up a side project CD by him -- mick harris,eraldo bernocchi:overload lady. This is a bit more frantic than Scorn, in fact it is drum-n-bass, but the interesting, and relevant, thing about it is that is incorporates jungle-like breakbeats but uses them more repetitively, with less variation than most jungle, which tends to be manic. Mick Harris also has a project called Lull, which from what I know is very minimal, what some might call dark ambient. Thom -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 14:12:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 13:26:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGrpR-0000Ev-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <343401B7.3335@u.washington.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:19:03 -0700 From: Thom Heileson Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu Organization: or/Orphean productions / CARTAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music -- looped spoken words References: <19971002112939.19499.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"67WPjD.A.6xG.-GAN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/689 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:26:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 8db9b7c7055d3393a90a10633a8c2f9e alice crash wrote: > > Pete, > as for the humor in looping,maybe content of the loop will work. we IMO, some of the greatest use of looping spoken word was done in the early 80s by an Australian group called Severed Heads... my all-time fave is a track which loops this guy (sounds like it's from a 50s talk show or something) saying "Ya like that, y'wanna do it again? (insert squeaky strange contraption noise) -- Well, if ya it that much I'll do it _again_! (insert squeaky strange contraption noise)..." over and over and over again, during which slowly other layered sounds and tones rise to the surface. The effect is hilarious in the most surreal and disturbing way, and the main reason is the repetition itself (unrelenting!). Anyonw else heard this, or is familiar with Severed Heads' material from this period...? Thom > found a line from a movie, Doom Generation, in which a young man is > explaining " I feel like a gerbal smothering in Richard Gere's > butthole". This was looped repeatatively and a lot of noise and drums > placed behind in. I for one found the segment extremely funny. When > played live, it was hard to judge the audiences reation. > A > > >From lists@slip.net Thu Sep 18 16:21:58 1997 > >Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) > > id 0xBptM-00041Y-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:21:48 -0700 > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Pete Koniuto > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: Re: music > >In-Reply-To: <9708188746.AA874623023@mail.amsinc.com> > >Message-ID: > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Resent-Message-ID: <"TAWI6D.A.kdD.kbbI0"@ferret> > >Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/578 > >Precedence: list > >Resent-Sender: SmartList > >Resent-To: alicecrsh@hotmail.com > >Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:21:48 -0700 > > > > > >Ed Chang wrote: > > > >> Anyway, my theory is that 'alien/possibly great' sounds/concepts > can > >> sound bad even to the genius-composer at the time of creation > because it > >> doesn't fit comfortably in his/her familiar sound-world... > > > >Exactly, Ed. It's that uncharted territory thing. I > >sometimes hear something i've just worked on, be it a loop > >or something else (but usually a loop, since other > >pieces and parts happen more slowly, a little more > >methodically, or are perhaps more premeditated), and > >i'll think, no, there isn't enough high end in this > >to make it sound all nice and balanced. It sounds dull, > >lo-fi, swampy. It isn't until later that i realize, > >i've never heard something so damn swampy--this is stinky > >swampy, and it's scaring me, not boring me. IT'S HAVING > >IMPACT. > > > >Often a good clue early on about what is effective, what > >has impact musically is when i find myself either > >laughing or proverbially scared shitless. Sometimes both. > >But if i can immediately sense the humor in a piece, or the > >terror, these are probably reflexes to something that > >doesn't quite sit easily with that sound-world with which > >i'm familiar and all to comfortable. > > > >Unfortunately, i KNOW i'm much better at the scarey stuff. > >At least that's a reaction others often have to my > >material, especially my looping. > > > >Can anyone suggest how to invoke more humor in the looping > >process? Either the kind of humor that brings with it > >tears; or the kind that pulls out that Cheshire grin to > >the listener's lips, like yeah, i get it. > > > >Torn can do it. During the Polytown sessions, he would > >pull schitt out that had everyone in the control room > >laughing themselves silly. And he knew it. And i think > >he may have even been aiming for that. Or maybe he was > >just trying to crack himself up. > > > >Suggestions on how to bring humor (even the nervous kind) > >into the loop? > > > > > >Pete Koniuto > > > >----------------- > >Music Library > >Boston University > >617-353-3705 > >pkoniuto@bu.edu > >----------------- > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Thu Oct 02 14:12:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 13:54:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGsGY-0002j7-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:54:34 -0700 Message-Id: <97Oct2.155141cdt.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:49:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Greetings From Oberheim Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KzcrmD.A.6IC.bjAN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/690 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:54:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 4b5efba46e6b543f1d5ffc402cb30cee Hello- My name is Tom Spaulding and I am the Product Manager for Oberheim. As some of you may know, we are moving our offices(from Oakland to Nashville) and re-organizing. We are committed to be the most helpful, informed, and available company as we can be. Please e-mail me at tspauldi@gibson.com whenever necessary. I welcome all comments and suggestions about the Oberheim of the future, but please refrain from flaming me about past experience with us unless you still have an unresolved situation, in which case you will get an immediate response. My background is in the guitar field (I've been playing for 22 years)and I have much to learn about the Echoplex Digital Pro and the field of Looping. Any help I can get will be greatly appreciated and certainly uncompensated;-) We plan on resuming manufacture of the Echoplex Digital Pro within the next 30 days. If you have a unit on backorder or in warranty service, please give us a little time to get set up and do things right. I look forward to communicating with you. Thanks for hanging in there! (Please forgive me if this seems crass and commercial - I'm merely trying to make contact with the power users out there). Tom From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 11:03:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 04:29:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xH5ur-0002H8-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 04:29:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971002182420.007dccd0@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:24:24 -0500 To: mnelson@dmans.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: MIDI Light controllers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yL728B.A.Z3B.wXNN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/697 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 04:29:05 -0700 X-UIDL: a6c45185ccc0f2164bb14f6c83bce612 Hello, Try this site. No experience with company or product. Looks interesting though. http://www.infusionsystems.com/icube.htm Randy Jones At 12:48 AM 10/3/97 -0500, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: >Alice, > This reply is going to be vague because, frankly, I just can't >remember - but... At the 1996 NAMM show I met a young woman who worked >for a company that produced a sensor employed infra-red light. The >sensor's beam could be configured and it's output could be MIDI >messages. The concept was that a dancer or musician could trigger an >event or even control an instrument with hand movements. I believe it >was capable of detecting distance, so pitch or volume, for example, >could be controlled by hand height. Sorry I can't pull the name of the >company out of my personal memory banks. Does this sound familiar to >anyone else? > >Motley > > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 04:08:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 17:17:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGvQg-0005K7-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:17:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:10:17 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Greetings From Oberheim Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199710022010_MC2-2299-C926@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"yKzCuC.A.abE.6gDN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/692 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:17:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 7dc52a81959025ddde8b171e5b8ad37a hi Tom, welcome to the list!!! >We plan on resuming manufacture of the Echoplex Digital Pro within the >next 30 days. ... enthusiastic shouting and opening of champaigne bottles !!! (and please, be sure to send some of them Echoplexes to Germany!) ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 04:08:34 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 16:49:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGv07-0002ql-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:49:47 -0700 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v2.61 Message-ID: <1664@mainstring.win.net> Reply-To: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:20:08 Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping From: pk@mainstring.win.net (Pat Kirtley) Resent-Message-ID: <"R8UgDC.A.XPC.YIDN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/691 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:49:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 9cdce7b55b8f48592d3926f71cb1da79 Someone commented that analog tape, and the sonic characteristics of tape delay have a unique quality that is difficult to simulate with digital electronics. This is true, and there is nothing like the real thing. It isn't difficult to begin experimenting with analog tape looping. First, go to a pawn shop or similar source and obtain a used tape machine. The best likely candidates for looping modifications are machines with 3-head 3-motor design and electronically operated transport controls. Many excellent and rugged machines of this type were made in the 70's and early 80's by TEAC, Tascam, Pioneer, Revox, and Akai. If you find one of these formerly very expensive units, you will probably be able to purchase it for $200 or less. They are now aging, but the best ones were built to last, and can become completely operable with minor maintenance and cleanup. There are two ways to modify the machine into a looper. Way 1 is to add another playback head, separated from the record head by a significant distance. Way 2 is to increase the tape-distance between the existing record and play heads. Way 1 is described here. If you observe the tape path, you will note that the tape is fed out by the supply reel on the left side, first passes across the erase head, then the record head, then the playback head, before entering the capstan / pinch roller assembly, and then is wound onto the takeup reel on the right. It is not necessary to use an actual "loop" of tape to create the audio looping function, because the audio loop is formed electronically by feeding part of the playback head's output into the recording input. The concept that creates musically useful loops is a relatively wide separation between the record and playback heads. The easiest way to do this is to get another playback head, preferably from a junked tape recorder (i.e. cheap). Take the playback head and mount it on a board along with two of the tape guide-posts from the junked tape recorder. The guide posts are necessary because the tape must cross the playback head in a very precise alignment in order for this to work. Open up the head assembly on the the working tape recorder and disconnect the wiring from the rear of the playback head. You will need a small soldering iron to accomplish this. If you don't have one, get a techie friend to help out. You will need to obtain a length of cable similar to the cable you have disconnected from the playback head. It will probably have 4 conductors and a braided shield. Ten feet is a good length to start with (too long a cable will cause audio problems). It's got to be shielded cable. Connect the new wire to the remote tape head, and splice to the end of the wire in the good tape recorder. You must make sure that the connections from the rear of the new tape head go to exactly the same wires as the original head did. Position the remote tape head assembly on a solid support some distance away from the tape recorder, to the right and at the same level as the transport deck. Doing this works best if you have the tape recorder on its back on a tabletop. The tape feeding out of the capstan/ pinch roller goes out through the first extra guide, across the remote playback head, through the second guide, and back onto the takeup reel. You can test the new setup by putting a pre-recorded tape in place, and listening to the output. Note: because you have altered the tape path significantly, the machine will not work correctly in fast-forward and rewind modes. To use these modes, remove the tape from the remote head and let it feed through the machine normally. To begin looping, you must establish an electronic path from the tape machine's output to its input. The easiest way to do it is with an external mizer. Simply include the line out of the tape machine as one of the inputs to the mixer, and connect the mixer's output to the tape machine input. You will have created a true stereo looper, and the loop-delay time is regulated by the distance from the record head to the remote playback head. At a tape speed of 7.5 inches/sec, 10ft of separation translates to 16 sec loop time. 5ft = 8 sec, et cetera. Cutting the tape speed in half doubles the loop time (just like digital!). An added benefit is that your looping creations are automatically and permanently recorded for you. Aside from a couple of days of scrounging around pawn shops, the project should take only a few hours to complete. Hope this inspires some new musical ideas, alone or in combination with modern effects/ devices. Pat Kirtley From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 04:08:43 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 19:43:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xGxho-0001dM-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:43:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: tspauldi@gibson.com Subject: Re: Greetings From Oberheim In-Reply-To: <97Oct2.155141cdt.26882@gateway.gibson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"XnJQ8C.A.xCB.0pFN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/693 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:43:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ca735e32ea1d52b63d5853245f6692f On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Tom Spaulding wrote: > Hello- > > My name is Tom Spaulding and I am the Product Manager for Oberheim. Hello, Tom, and thank you for taking the time and initiative to reach out to some of your users here. > I welcome all > comments and suggestions about the Oberheim of the future, but please > refrain from flaming me about past experience with us unless you still > have an unresolved situation, in which case you will get an immediate > response. My current situation is in fact quite unresolved, but I shall refrain from flaming nonetheless. The timeline of my dealings with Oberheim are as follows: On Wednesday, July 23, I sent my Oberheim Echoplex into the Oakland center for repair (under the Return Authorization # 44727), along with a check for $35 dollars (since my unit is not under warranty), as per the instructions sent to me by then-Oberheim employee Dean Fouts. (I was also told that this $35 would be used towards my final repair bill). Dean informed me that there would be a roughly four-week turnaround rate, though he advised that this would vary depending upon the amount of work currently being performed. On Friday, August 6, I sent Dean e-mail asking for any further information on the status of my Echoplex. On Monday, August 18, having still recieved no reply from Mr. Fouts to my previous message on the 6, I sent another e-mail to him asking once more for any information he could provide. On Wednesday, August 20th, I recieved an e-mail from Dean apologizing for the delay, and stating that he had just submitted a query regarding the status of my unit's repair. On Friday, August 29th, having resorted to phoning Mr. Fouts at the Nashville office, I recieved a phone message from Dean stating that the repair would be completed shortly. I sent e-mail to him that night (the 29th) asking for details regarding the apparently soon-to-be-completed repair, including how much the final repair bill would come to, where this payment would have to be sent, and what the cause (and fix) of the problem was. On Tuesday, September 2, Dean sent me back mail saying that my account was now being handled by Pat Murphy, as Mr. Fouts no longer worked for Oberheim. Also on Tuesday, September 2, Pat Murphy e-mailed me to say that $45 would take care of the repair bill; he also provided an address to send the check to, which I did. On Monday, September 8th, Pat sent me another e-mail confirming receipt of the check. There was a considerable "cascade" of previous letters below his latest message, including one from Pat which was directed to a "Mike" (presumably Mike Lyon); in this letter Pat metioned to Mike that, according to an earlier e-mail from Mike to Pat, my echoplex was to have been ready some time that week. Approximately one week later, on Tuesday, September 16th, I recieved (via Looper's Delight) news from Ed Drake than the Oakland office had been closed and everything was being shipped to Nashville. Not yet having recieved my Echoplex, I was not inspired by this report. The same day (Tuesday the 16th) I e-mailed Pat Murphy asking for an update on my Echoplex. On Friday, September 19th, having recieved no reply from Pat to my previous query for information, I called him at the Nashville office (the number having been provided not by him or anyone at Oberheim, but rather by the membership of this list). Pat asked what the last word had been when he had gotten back to me; I told him that he had not in fact "gotten back to me," as I had not recieved a response from him with regards to my last question. He wondered aloud if he had even recieved the e-mail I had sent him; after searching through his computer he finally found my letter. He remarked that he had thought he'd gotten back to me; after checking, he confirmed my report that he had not. He confirmed the now widespread news of the Oakland-Gibson transit, which I pointed out had not been brought to my attention by anyone at Gibson. He told me that there was a repair team standing by once the move was completed, and that my repair job was in fact at the very top of the list. I then asked him why it was that I had sent a check in to him, on his instructions, to cover repair costs when there had in fact been no repair work yet done, and consequently no way to accurately gauge how much labor would have to be done (and, consequently, how much it might cost). He said that all of their information had come from Mike Lyon in California. I then pointed out that I had been informed (again, by Pat) that my unit was to have been ready earlier this week. Pat's only explanation was that Mike Lyon must have been lying. I then asked to be informed of any further developments, which he promised would be provided. This conversation, on Friday, September 19th, was the last contact I had with Oberheim; as of today, Thursday, October 2, I have heard nothing more from anyone at Gibson. I have, however, heard several more things regarding Oberheim and Gibson via Loopers Delight, not the least of which is that Mike Lyon apparently did not know about the Oakland-Gibson transit until the day it happened. My hope is that the aforementioned predicament is attributable more to communication errors than to gross negligence (though based upon similar reposrts I have heard from other Oberheim customers, I must conclude that a certain amount of the latter is involved). My reality at present is as follows: I was informed of an approximately four-week repair time for my unit. At present, I have waited over twice that long, have had consistent trouble communicating with multiple employees of Oberheim, and have sent in two cashiers checks totaling $80 (plus an additional charge of $12 to me, on account of Gibson requiring Cashier's checks rather than personal checks), and I don't even have confirmation that repair on my unit has EVEN BEGUN. With regards to my present situation, I would of course appreciate any information which is presently available regarding the repair of my Echoplex. With regards to your solicitation for suggestions regarding the future operation of Oberheim, I would simply point out the irony of the fact that I sent my unit to a location approximately six hours away from me, where it sat for approximately two months (whether or not it was worked on at all is unknown to me, and apparently to many of the customer service represetatives at Oberheim) before being shipped halfway across the nation. If the repair work had taken place during a timetable even TWICE as long as the one I was originally quoted, I would not have found myself caught in the middle of Oberheim's housecleaning procedure. It also ocurs to me that, had Mike Lyon known about the impending move some time earlier than the actual day that the move began, there might have been some possibility of this confusion being avoided or at least alleviated. I don't know how much of Lyon's ignorance regarding the move had to do with his own state of mind and how much of it had to do with the heads of Gibson not informing him, but what I do know is that at least one customer has found himself getting shafted as a result of company politics, via circumstances he had nothing to do with and had to find out about through third party sources. The fact that you are coming to the list to offer assistance is a good sign, and I certainly do not hold you personally responsible for the specific problems I have encountered with the three aforementioned invididuals. I look forward to any light you can shed on a solution to my situation, as well as to any reasons why the present situation even exists. --Andre LaFosse altruist@music.calarts.edu (818) 893-2144 From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 04:08:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 2 22:49:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xH0cE-0004Bc-00; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:49:30 -0700 Message-ID: <34348729.36EE@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 00:48:25 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI Light controllers References: <19971002155736.12968.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E7N7vB.A.dnD.5YIN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/694 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:49:30 -0700 X-UIDL: e1f13c8154eb9c48044b41930941847c Alice, This reply is going to be vague because, frankly, I just can't remember - but... At the 1996 NAMM show I met a young woman who worked for a company that produced a sensor employed infra-red light. The sensor's beam could be configured and it's output could be MIDI messages. The concept was that a dancer or musician could trigger an event or even control an instrument with hand movements. I believe it was capable of detecting distance, so pitch or volume, for example, could be controlled by hand height. Sorry I can't pull the name of the company out of my personal memory banks. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? Motley From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 04:08:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 01:40:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xH3HL-0004I6-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:40:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:35:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oberheim... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rHEw8B.A.H3D.s6KN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/695 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:40:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 1e9f489aee44e12ec8188c34798a4f1d " "(Please forgive me if this seems crass and commercial - I'm merely trying to make contact with the power users out there)." Which is enough rare that a manufacturer takes immediate and direct interest in knowing who uses the product, that will be 1) immediately forgiven 2) be welcome ! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 04:08:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 02:29:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xH43D-000686-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:29:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3434B98F.195D@gte.net> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 05:23:27 -0400 From: future perfect Reply-To: artmusic@gte.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Greetings From Oberheim References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1kM7WC.A.5cF.ImLN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/696 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:29:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 44438aeb03d86bb2dfd45eb1a9bdc740 I look forward to any light you can shed on a solution to my > situation, as well as to any reasons why the present situation even > exists. > > --Andre LaFosse As someone who has not yet bought an Echoplex, but has had similar repair-hell stories with gear by other manufacturers, this story scares me a bit. I've heard of customer service problems with Oberheim (even reviews on Harmony Central confirm this, as well as stories like this one), and with current Echoplexes costing $700 or more, I wish there was another option for looping about now that was as versatile. Andre, I thank you for posting this story, to warn us all what *could* happen when we spend the $700+ ( a lot of dough for us poor musician types). Lets hope the move across the country will inspire a move to hire a more competent customer relations/repair department. Dave Eichenberger -- ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Music rears it's beautiful head and puts you right into the rightness."- Trey Gunn From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 11:03:16 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 06:43:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xH80y-0001bS-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:43:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <971003093501_555756469@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music/Scorn Resent-Message-ID: <"gpPX7C.A.QLB.RVPN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/698 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:43:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 6e24b272b1deb217a26c06451255cf1e Actually, Scorn includes a lot of looped guitar stuff, courtesy of Jim Plotkin and a DeltaLab delay. Plotkin's new "Flux" is an interesting guitar-loop based pop record, by the way. mike From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 11:03:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 08:28:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xH9eS-0000xS-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:28:24 -0700 Message-ID: <19971003152103.9545.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.22.60] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fourthworld: the jon hassell mail list Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:21:02 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"nj7Lm.A.eU.d2QN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/699 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:28:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 1c149e513f097cc3eed93954dd7e01d0 Hello Folks- Well a little while ago I posted up to check the waters to see if people would be up for a jon hassell maillist. I have been slightly overwhelmed by the responses. there is a great deal of appreciation for him and his work. Being without an isp or knowing a wily sysadmin (any volunteers to help already?) means that the list has been registered at coollist, because, well, its free. of course you have to put up with the little ads at the bottom but a small price to pay si? so it'll be moderated by me, and at the moment not in digest form as coollist is having trouble with its digest engine (any volunteers to help already?) to join all this beta fun go to coollist's webpage at: http://www.coollist.com and go to the section- Subscribe to a Coollist mailing list: enter the List Name : fourthworld and Your Email : you@yourdomain.com or e me personally and i'll tack you on myself: josephbuck@hotmail.com thanks all. salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 11:03:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 10:45:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHBmv-0004Ke-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:45:17 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 12:23:50 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: symetrix 606 $475 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"-RZlUD.A.FbD.O3SN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/700 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:45:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 790a928a53442d811525512aa3983b62 Remember the groovy looking 606? Appeared to be a Vortex with full MIDI, more tweakable. >From Harmony Central: symetrix 606 delay fx machine Asking Price: US$1500 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: if you havent heard of it check out last monthes issue of futre music this is an impresive machine great sounding delay with 8 knobs on it for tweaking delay parameters full midi implementation this is a serious delay box $475 Seller: james bowman, 3304342926 E-mail: joekidd@raex.com Post Date: 10/2/97 From ???@??? Fri Oct 03 11:03:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 10:45:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHBmz-0004LF-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 3 Oct 1997 12:25:08 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS:EH 16 second $700 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"h8SFbD.A.0gD.73SN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/701 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:45:21 -0700 X-UIDL: f7db2936d69c9ce499b4baca39d41e3c >From Harmony Central: EH 16 second delay $700 Asking Price: US$700 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: The rare and desirable 16 second delay by Electro Harmonics, has forward and reverse modes, up to 16 sec delay, modulation and built in metronome. Fripp in a box (he used one). This one is in excellent shape. $700 Seller: Charles Pogan, (518)877-6459 E-mail: newlab@aol.com Location: CLIFTON PARK, NY Post Date: 10/2/97 From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:49 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 11:33:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHZ13-000312-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:33:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971004012650.0098c5b0@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 01:26:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: VORTEX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DHSeSD.A.GZC.kpoN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/709 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:33:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 5c4159113e948de71e6769377e625689 Hello, Radio Shack didn't have one here. I found one locally at Altex Electronics (210) 637-3200, but I had to splice my own connector (little thingee that plugs into the Vortex) from a multi voltage wall wart as the one that came with it was too small. Easy enough to do though. I belive I paid less than $10.00. I use a little Korg A/B switch with mine that I found at a pawn shop. Works good. Also use both Boss FV50 and Boss FV60 expression pedals. I understand most passive ones (no battery) will work. At 09:20 AM 10/4/97 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/4/97 6:55:52 AM, you wrote: > >>Can anyone suggest sources and/or perhaps know of prices for power supplys >>(wall Warts) that are good for the Lexicon Vortex.The unit says 9v AC at 1 >>amp.It also says use Lexicon msa ac adapter.Are they available from >>Lexicon?Also looking for footswitches. > >Try Radio Shack. > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:39 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 02:52:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHQst-0001zM-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:52:27 -0700 From: "Peter Thompson" To: Subject: Re: FS:EH 16 second $700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 10:52:34 +0100 Message-ID: <01bcd0ab$3d6a6860$70da6f83@pt205.wolfson.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"4gLADB.A.BtB.9DhN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/703 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:52:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 858c55d47df522411227220269e688ee On 2/10/97 Travis Hartnett wrote: > The rare and desirable 16 second delay by Electro Harmonics, > has forward and reverse modes, up to 16 sec delay, modulation > and built in metronome. Fripp in a box (he used one). This one > is in excellent shape. $700 Here is a little snippet from an interview with Robert Fripp in Guitar Player, July 1995: Fripp once phoned Electro-Harmonix about the 16-second delay, which they were advertising as a "Fripp-in-a-box". "I asked if I could have one for free and they said "No"", grimaces Fripp. "That's wonderful, isn't it?" _________________________________ Peter Thompson Wolfson College Cambridge England pt205@hermes.cam.ac.uk From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:41 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 06:24:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHUCS-0000Op-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 06:24:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 09:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <971004091959_172069482@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, bgerow@ny.tds.net Subject: Re: VORTEX Resent-Message-ID: <"hNznXC.A.aJ.hLkN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/706 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 06:24:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 1a37d1ce7204c35b73141dd7880cdb56 In a message dated 10/4/97 6:55:52 AM, you wrote: >Can anyone suggest sources and/or perhaps know of prices for power supplys >(wall Warts) that are good for the Lexicon Vortex.The unit says 9v AC at 1 >amp.It also says use Lexicon msa ac adapter.Are they available from >Lexicon?Also looking for footswitches. Try Radio Shack. From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 08:26:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHW61-0000vd-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:26:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:15:53 -0400 X-Sender: tbickley@purple.tmn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: tbickley@artswire.org (Tom Bickley) Subject: Jamman footswitches Resent-Message-ID: <"-3lutC.A.vm.j9lN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/707 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:26:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 940ac940ac251d986040836f6007a94f Regarding footswitches for the Jamman: I'm very happy with the Boss FS-5U and an insert cable. Currently I'm using four of the footswitches and two insert cables (a "send & return" cable with stereo 1/4" phone plug to to mono 1/4" phone plugs). The Boss footswitches lock together and feel very comfortable. This was my solution when I bought a Jamman that had been a demo unit and no longer had a footswitch. Also, though one pair of switches lets you do a lot, the flexibility of control with two pairs is terrific. -Tom * "New music: new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org * From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:41 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 05:23:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHTEz-0006Ox-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 05:23:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199710041221.IAA00662@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: VORTEX Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 08:22:39 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j45B.A.xvF.YSjN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/705 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 05:23:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 9396eae3f125ab0877ef33ec01a1bf0f Hi, I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. Lexicon PSUs are really pricey. we're talking about $50, and yes they are available only from Lexicon unless you have access to a real good parts supplier. As far as footswitches are concerned, you'll have to find one with a TRS output. Lexicon uses RE-AN footswitch circuits; they are a British company that makes all the nice plastic connectors you see on the back of your lexicons and most european gear. Hope this helps a little. D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "Echo is Instant Nostalgia" jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html ---------- > From: Bruce Gerow > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: VORTEX > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:35 AM > > Hi Loopers and Loopets, > Can anyone suggest sources and/or perhaps know of prices for power supplys > (wall Warts) that are good for the Lexicon Vortex.The unit says 9v AC at 1 > amp.It also says use Lexicon msa ac adapter.Are they available from > Lexicon?Also looking for footswitches. > Thanks, > LooseBruce From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:48 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 11:17:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHYm0-00023w-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:17:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:11:53 -0600 (MDT) From: Henry Throop To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: R Fripp in London (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dD7sX.A.UfB.tboN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/708 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 11:17:52 -0700 X-UIDL: fde922edb6daa05fcf1d12ac805f5e6a > Robert Fripp, Trey Gunn, Tony Levin & Bill Bruford are playing December > 1-4, 1997 @ The Jazz Cafe in London, England. These performances will > be unrehersed improvisations. -henry throop@bogart.colorado.edu From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 16:19:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 14:53:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHc8V-0003DG-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:53:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710041221.IAA00662@mail.colba.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:47:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: VORTEX Resent-Message-ID: <"uvCdwB.A.9uC.LmrN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/710 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:53:19 -0700 X-UIDL: b806c8f572cf268cbb219ced73cd65aa At 8:22 AM -0700 10/4/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >Hi, > >I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. Lexicon PSUs are >really pricey. we're talking about $50, and yes they are available >only from Lexicon unless you have access to a real good parts >supplier. ya, ha ha! Anyone want to start the "wall warts, evil tools of Satan" thread again? My Jameco catalog has these for $5.49, P/N 102234, 1-800-831-4242, http://www.jameco.com. Connector is 2.1mm x 5.5mm female, don't know if that's right. They also sell all the numerous styles of jacks for about $.50 each. Lexicon (and all the other mfg using wallwarts) pay about $2 or less for these flimsy pieces of hum-radiating garbage, btw. And no, that usually doesn't translate into lower prices for you the poorly-informed consumer. Capitalism is so cool! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 16:19:47 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 15:37:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHcol-0005sA-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:36:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: we are all trucks To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cheaply starting out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"raOAq.A.y4E.XOsN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/711 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:36:59 -0700 X-UIDL: e4f0418d4b53d0b7c3fc809649951e5a I think I asked this before, but I didn't get a whole lot of reply. I'm thinking about getting into looping, because some of the stuff I can dink out on piano strike me as sounding really cool made into a fullblown atonal loop. But I don't have a whole lot of cash. So what's suggestions? If I had the knowhow, I'd consider building my own analog machine, but even with instructions I can't understand what the hell I'm doing. Machinery is way beyond my skills. But I'm looking for the best way to start out. "You're such a wonderful person, it's insanity. But you've got problems. the asylum: I'll never touch you." (David Bowie) http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 00:06:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 20:23:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHhIP-0003ZP-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:23:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dtorn@aol.com Message-ID: <971004231344_1890999842@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: hello, yusuf Resent-Message-ID: <"CFNAk.A.OxC.nbwN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/713 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:23:53 -0700 X-UIDL: cca1faf77039e354d83196f7f11e23d9 yo! thasall, just: hiya! best (au le rue), dt From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 16:58:39 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 02:12:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHmk3-0006XW-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:12:47 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971004231344_1890999842@emout08.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:07:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hello, yusuf Resent-Message-ID: <"Nh8AnD.A.1vF.Uk1N0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/715 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:12:47 -0700 X-UIDL: da5b0f07cdc3f7402c055488585fab3b At 11:16 PM -0400 10/4/97, Dtorn@aol.com wrote: >yo! >thasall, just: >hiya! >best (au le rue), >dt oh David, you're such a tease! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 16:58:38 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 02:10:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHmhU-0006GP-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:10:08 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: hello, yusuf Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:11:53 +0200 Message-ID: <19971005091152156.AAA96@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"b9dX1B.A.jjF.Th1N0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/714 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:10:08 -0700 X-UIDL: ab8fc948c1c7d9f32846fb5aa6e8bc24 At 23.16 04/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >yo! >thasall, just: >hiya! >best (au le rue), >dt > > Hi david I don't know if you're a subscriber of this list or just casual.... but I'm really happy to have you here now. ciao leo From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 22:40:54 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 19:14:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xI2h8-0007Ey-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:14:50 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971005090435.0097f100@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 09:04:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Lexicon address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"j5G2GD.A.YWG.GdEO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/719 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:14:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 99bf37917804a7de6be951bfd38be5d4 Hello, Lexicon Inc. 100 Beaver Street :-) Waltham MA 02154 Tele 617-736-0300 Fax 617-891-0340 Randy At 03:14 AM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Someone was kind enough to send me the address and phone for Lexicon but >the Devil mede me delete it.Any chance you could send it again?I want to >order a wall wart for Vortex. > Thanks, > LooseBruce > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 16:58:44 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 10:12:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHuEC-0000t6-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3437C768.CB2@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:59:21 -0400 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI Light controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"C4DmpB.A.Bg.Ij8N0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/716 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 193d83dceaa89d5a673b453518725412 Buchla Lightning Controller: http://www.buchla.com/ -- **** What's Charles up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen From ???@??? Sun Oct 05 16:58:55 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 16:50:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xI0Rj-0001JR-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:47:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: hello, yusuf Resent-Message-ID: <"oW73yB.A.Dy.uXCO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/717 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 4a3b55f0665b0535676cfc695d74dac1 and you bro ... best back to ya any sylvian developments with ya >yo! >thasall, just: >hiya! >best (au le rue), >dt Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 00:04:24 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 5 22:52:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xI65X-0002SA-00; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:52:15 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710060119.UAA07026@mail.tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:46:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Vortex wall wart Resent-Message-ID: <"469w_D.A.18B.MtHO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/720 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:52:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 000f2c07f5e27ea0bff55ebc9eb0c80c At 3:14 AM -0400 10/2/97, Bruce Gerow wrote: >Someone was kind enough to send me the address and phone for Lexicon but >the Devil mede me delete it.Any chance you could send it again?I want to >order a wall wart for Vortex. > Thanks, > LooseBruce Greg Hogan, Lex's customer service person, reads the list regularly and will probably help you first thing Monday. He's pretty good about that. email: kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 10:19:26 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 00:23:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xI7Vi-0006F0-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:23:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 03:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <971006031826_1075688463@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheaply starting out Resent-Message-ID: <"eOCzYB.A.ulF.DEJO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/721 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:23:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 2aa4486fec289dbffdb613831cee8d48 There really is no ultimately satisfying cheap way. I'd say: Get ambitious, mow some lawns, start a lemonade stand, work a geek job or two, whatever, just to get enough to get an Oberheim Echoplex. It sounds the best, can be memory expanded for very long loop times (you could do an entire piece.) and if it has the current software update it can be mated with another one and sync in stereo. this is amazing. The only other thing would be the Boomerang. It's less expensive but has lower fidelity and is not as expansive. Hope this helps a bit. Jim From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 10:19:40 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 07:44:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIEOK-0004oo-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:44:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:36:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheaply starting out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"dE1-o.A.tAE.rePO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/722 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:44:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 602590c8aaa3bdd53ef63bb7f498eeb2 Just get a delay. ANY delay. Used Digitech and Boss delays with up to two seconds of memory are dirt cheap, well under $100. The little Zoom delay thing costs less than $150, and is programmable, tap tempo, etc. You do NOT need an Oberheim Echoplex or a full-blown tape looping rig in order to do looping! A cheap stomp box with infinite repeat is enough to get you started. My first looper didn't even have that... it was just a Boss pitch shifter/delay with 1.7 seconds of delay. Made a lot of good music with it. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 10:19:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 08:12:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIEpS-0007NK-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:12:14 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: GEAR INFO Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:14:04 +0200 Message-ID: <19971006151403703.AAA222@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"IL9Rn.A.ShG.E7PO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/723 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:12:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 331e9fdd0ee0adcd3960dd0dfc78c954 Hi all sorry, this is not really loop related... so e-mail me privately. ANyone knows Ram Specs for Akai S1000 sampler? I'd like to upgrade mine but it seems not so cheap from AKAI... And what about pc sound cards? How is the SB 64 Gold? Any suggestions about other models ? thanks in advance leo From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 10:19:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 09:33:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIG6L-0005z1-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:33:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199710061626.JAA07898@marge.cyber-dyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: GEAR INFO Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:21:15 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Lwn_D.A.f6E.2ERO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/724 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:33:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 5ddf199182784ab7aeac6b5e9429a715 check out Yamaha sb sucks ---------- > From: Leonardo Cavallo > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: GEAR INFO > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 8:14 AM > > > Hi all > > sorry, this is not really loop related... so e-mail me privately. > > ANyone knows Ram Specs for Akai S1000 sampler? I'd like to upgrade mine but > it seems not so cheap from AKAI... > > And what about pc sound cards? How is the SB 64 Gold? Any suggestions about > other models ? > > thanks in advance > > leo > From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 11:23:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 11:16:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIHhw-0006uH-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:16:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:11:52 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199710061811.AA21298@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheaply starting out Resent-Message-ID: <"B0F5wD.A.DBG.snSO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:16:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 0430627d1cc69f3d9d6d8da11f1f1073 People asked recently about the DFX94 from DOD, and I thought I'd comment quickly on my issues with it, as it also is relevent from the standpoint of "cheaply starting out" (a little over $100 new). Good: 4 second delay you can dynamically adjust delay time of an existing loop, speeding it up/slowing it down. This is even useful musically, not just as FX, since you can (with effort) change speed by a factor of 2, which changes the pitch by an octave supports both a delay mode (pedal turns on&off delay effect) and a "hold" model (pedal on: infinite repeat, can't layer; pedal off, decays according to feedback, you can layer), and you can switch between the two modes without losing the loop (but have to turn a knob) It also supports a mode which samples, then triggers on footpresses, but I've never even tested that it works. Bad, compared to other pedals I've used: Max feedback setting is not very high. Stuff fades out pretty quickly. And so there's lots of stuff you can't do... e.g. I used to love letting a loop fade out, then turn feedback > 100% and bringing the loop back, sounding heavily altered. Other issues: No wet/dry mix (just delay level, effectively always at least 50% dry)--I'm not sure I've ever seen a pedal that wasn't this way. Dunno whether it's really noisy; I've never tried isolating it from my other effects to see. As to how effective a looper it is, I'd say that I always had a lot of fun with it. However, I just got a JamMan, and I would have to say that even with the same loop durations, I'm creating entirely different textures due to the ability to set feedback to 100% (or just under). On the other hand with the JamMan, I'm disappointed about the tradeoff between echo and loop modes: echo is the only mode that allows feedback < 100%, but loop mode is the only way to do a "replace" (not to mention multiple loops). On the DFX I do this in infinite repeat mode by setting feedback to 0, then "punching in" and back out (feedback is ignored while the loop is holding). I guess with the JamMan if I got a MIDI footpedal I could trigger the appropriate feedback-setting-commands in echo mode at least. (Or I may be missing something, I've only had it a few days.) I also wish I could make the reset/bypass footswitch mean "select in the other direction", since as it stands I find the select footswitch useless during performance. Oops, this turned into a whine about the JamMan. Sorry. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 11:23:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 10:50:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIHIu-0004lp-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:50:48 -0700 Message-ID: <34392E64.506D6040@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:32:19 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR INFO X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971006151403703.AAA222@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Pe2_B.A.P1D.IOSO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/725 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:50:48 -0700 X-UIDL: bfa764797892974b017e7becd97e2117 Leo Turtle beach pinnacle Exept the minijack plugs this card is far from crap You can load wawes in sample ram ( cheap simms) up to 48 megs make your key map then you have the kurzweil architecture to tweak your sound the patch editor is on the TB site. have a look even without the card I bought the card almost a year ago and the updates/grades have been constant It works fine with cubase (from the first day) for almost nothing you get digital in/out manual is informative Lot of FAQ on line support : never got a human reply but I found the answers on the mailback helps tip: you better install it non PnP As I'm not working for them I'll stop now Claude PS: SB yerk :=( From ???@??? Mon Oct 06 11:23:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 10:50:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIHIr-0004lX-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:50:45 -0700 Message-ID: <34392EB9.97C2C20A@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:32:25 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR INFO X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19971006151403703.AAA222@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OHSlrB.A.s1D.LOSO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:50:45 -0700 X-UIDL: cb8d4e39e1057d3185ff2d69e4ee045a Leo Turtle beach pinnacle Exept the minijack plugs this card is far from crap You can load wawes in sample ram ( cheap simms) up to 48 megs make your key map then you have the kurzweil architecture to tweak your sound the patch editor is on the TB site. have a look even without the card I bought the card almost a year ago and the updates/grades have been constant It works fine with cubase (from the first day) for almost nothing you get digital in/out manual is informative Lot of FAQ on line support : never got a human reply but I found the answers on the mailback helps tip: you better install it non PnP As I'm not working for them I'll stop now Claude PS: SB yerk :=( From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 01:26:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 12:40:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIJ0g-0006GP-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:40:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:33:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Monkici@aol.com Message-ID: <971006152928_878539646@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"LZ03y.A.4VF.P1TO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:40:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 11aa3881f61c6a8c644658bb2f309f31 i keep seeing "boomerang" showing up and i'm wondering if any one has a phone number or web address for this company. thanks, ric From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 01:26:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 13:20:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIJdq-0001OK-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:20:34 -0700 Message-ID: <343947DC.510A@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:19:40 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang References: <971006152928_878539646@emout12.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1r0HuB.A.wz.fbUO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:20:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 158c8a762b7465c2bf51c3c48f25492b > i keep seeing "boomerang" showing up and i'm wondering if any one has a phone > number or web address for this company. Hi Ric, Here's the schtick, and thanks for your interest in the Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com Mike Nelson, co-owner From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 01:27:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 18:06:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIO6X-0005JP-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:29 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971007010059.0067f030@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:00:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"JpnCt.A.IhE.HnYO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/731 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:06:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a0fa68f92c93a5f172c57f0228c9746 At 03:33 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >i keep seeing "boomerang" showing up and i'm wondering if any one has a phone >number or web address for this company. > >thanks, ric > Ric, Boomerang Musical Products 1-800-530-4699 PO Box 54595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595> web page Boomerangmusic.com Grover From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 01:27:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 6 19:11:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIP7Q-0002wY-00; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:11:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3439A92A.92540977@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:14:51 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seasons & music X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F048720@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b0RX9B.A.kaC.WlZO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/732 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:11:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 13a45d4f96a964c0bee6c3d89f262507 A little thought on this subject again, now that we've had a few chilly days here in upstate NY. I find that I do listen to more ambient music in the winter. It is probably due to the increased reading that I have to do for school. I find it hard to concentrate on difficult material when I'm listening to music with lyrics or strong themes. Ambient is perfect for setting that sonic environment for studying. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 10:56:03 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 04:51:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIYAv-0002jx-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCD2F5.E2D28840@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Multi-effects Unit Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:51:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WKHjID.A.BSC.nEiO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/733 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:51:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 5ce8143c117a239c308bba311ff4c4a7 I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 10:56:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 06:51:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIa2j-00024v-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:51:21 -0700 Date: 7 Oct 1997 13:45:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19971007134535.22804.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Resent-Message-ID: <"VToT5.A.fnB.r0jO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/735 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:51:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 79a47b3048a8c57e36d23d114790f197 Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) asked: > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my = > SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently = > using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? I love my Dynacord DRP-15 (distributed by electrovoice). It's not cheap but it's algorithms and sound quality are wonderful. And of course there's the effervescent Lexicon LXP-5. Maybe it's getting a little long in the tooth but it's a great unit if you can still find them. It has nice echo, delay, and pitch special effects programs. The user interface is simple for making quick changes. - Floyd Miller From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 10:56:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 06:58:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIa9Z-0002av-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:58:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971007095212_-1628101252@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Resent-Message-ID: <"RUpZiC.A.3GC.t7jO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/736 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:58:25 -0700 X-UIDL: cbb01f17786e3f25c1849040e8bc1de3 <> My opinions, with emphasis on outside rather than meat'n'potatoes: Low end ($100-something): MANY choices....check out the Zoom 1201 Mid (under $1K): Again, MANY options....I'd check Alesis Quad GT, Ensoniq DP2, Boss GT-5 (my pick...in addition to the COSM preamps, a SERIOUS fx noise-maker, with ring mod, acoustic emulation, monosynths, an fx loop, and very cool delay looping -- under 2 sec, of course...more details upon application) High-mid (under $2K): Lex MPX-1 (sounds great, fantastic control options, but slow to change patches, and underpowered if you like long stereo fx chains), TC G-Force (ditto for the MPX pluses but neither of the minuses; the price-performance leader--and an audio knock-out!) High End (over $2K)...well, there's nothing in the same class with the $3500 Eventide GTR4000. From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 10:56:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 07:42:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIaqW-0005k6-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:42:48 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29119093@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Lexicon address Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:24:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3GM3FC.A.V_E.SlkO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/737 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:42:48 -0700 X-UIDL: e4a7aacc05c72cbf37c489c3fb890c30 Randy kindly informed the list of our contact information being: > Lexicon Inc. > 100 Beaver Street :-) > Waltham MA 02154 > Tele 617-736-0300 > Fax 617-891-0340 > We moved in November our current contact inormation is: Lexicon, Inc 3 Oak Park Bedford MA 01730 Tele 781-280-0300 FAX 781-280-0499 From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 10:56:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 05:22:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIYeG-0004IJ-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:22:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199710071219.IAA19967@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:19:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GOO-9B.A.jtD.mhiO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/734 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 05:22:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 7c173d64efc1c0976435640144d39cd7 In the lower price range I'd recommend the Zoom Studio 1204. It has I think about 512 presets, you can tweak and store the effects you create, the tweaking done with knobs, and there is a nice 10 band vocoder in there as well with a 1/4 input at the front of the unit (full 1U rackmount). I don't work for Zoom, but I sure like their price/performance ratio. Oh, and this I think sells for under $200 US. later, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "Echo is Instant Nostalgia" jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html ---------- From: Mark Kata To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Multi-effects Unit Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 4:51 AM I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 08 00:35:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 21:04:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xInLz-0000Lm-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:04:07 -0700 Message-ID: <343A6A23.6243@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:58:14 +0100 From: Anton Chovit Reply-To: antonc@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit References: <01BCD2F5.E2D28840@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e-a-HB.A.dwG.hQwO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/741 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:04:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 8642eb81bf0ce26b243ef7a771278cc3 Mark Kata wrote: > > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com I use an ART SGX2000 express with my SansAmp PSA1 hooked to effects loop 1, and my JamMan hooked to effects loop 2 (the 2000 has two loops) and this works great. I use the x15 foot controller. Loop 1 comes in after the analog effects (comp, dist, gate, prog EQ, etc.) but before any digital effects. Loop 2 comes after everything and is in stereo (the Jamman sums the two channels, but the ART keeps the original channels separate). I really like this set-up. I have a few patches that use the SansAmp as the dist (ie. 2000's dist is off) and I get all the sans amp sounds w/ the art effects. Other patches are set with the same digital effects, but the distortions are different. There are eight different distortions (4 tube, 4 solid state). And then sometimes I use the two distortions (even if I am not using the sansAmp as a distortions, I am calling it that here). I like the JamMan at the end of everythisn cuz it delays (or loops) the total sound, not like adding reverb to the delayed sound which sound muddy to me. I sent all of this into my 16 track board and use three of the post fader sends to send signals to my 3 echoplexes. I run the plexs back into the board. Every thing runs thru my peavy 60 watt stereo tube power amp into two closed back cabs with 25 watt greenbacks. This is a very nice setup for capturing loops. I then use my ToneKing contenental for live playing over loops. This setup gives me the flexibility to throw any type of sound to the lopers, and reserves the best sound (The Tone King really is the BEST AMP I have ever heard, try it you'll probably end up shelling out lots of cash for one!!) for playing over the loops live. I have treid most of the other multi effect available (as of a year and a half ago: I've stopped looking around cuz I have what I need, If you can believe it). Don't make the mistake of demoing this unit with the presets. they are too overprocessed and you might mistake this for what the unit sounds like with resonable set-ups. Try stripping all effects and adding them one at a time as you would a set of pedals. Good luck! From ???@??? Tue Oct 07 10:56:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 10:13:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIdCm-0003FC-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:13:56 -0700 Message-ID: <343A6D61.440C@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:12:01 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit References: <01BCD2F5.E2D28840@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6Uksd.A.1fC.gxmO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/738 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:13:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 61a563289ec1e31293352c2825536837 I use a Yamaha G10 pedal; it's discontinued, but can be found for around $250 used. Pros: very transparent to the through signal (adds no color), small, has an assignable expression pedal, good chorus & digital delay, ok flange, ok compression, ok wah wah (programmable), can function as volume pedal, easy to program. Cons: pitch shift is cheesy, has no reverbs, pedal cannot be assigned to delay time or chorus depth (only mix or level). The unit also has distortions, amp simulator, and EQ, which I don't use. I put it in the effects loop of my amp and it sounds great. When I've shopped for effects gear I try out many products, but always seem to gravitate to Yamaha for value: good sound & reliabilty for a reasonable price. On the other hand Digitech and Art stuff always seems to disappoint me. I bought 3 Digitech RP6's and they never could get me one that worked; sounded cheesy anyway. This is the third different Yamaha product I've had. > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? From ???@??? Wed Oct 08 00:34:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 11:36:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIeUE-00047Y-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:36:02 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199710071830.LAA21757@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01BCD2F5.E2D28840@mark.asisoftware.com> from "Mark Kata" at Oct 7, 97 07:51:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xXWKPB.A.gWD.5-nO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/739 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:36:02 -0700 X-UIDL: c370f8adad7974a0ba329905c3331014 > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my = > SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently = > using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com As far as the high end goes, the Eventide Harmonizer 3000 and 4000 series are the most powerful processors of which I have heard. They let you construct your own effects out of building blocks such as summers, multipliers, etc. They also allow a lot of realtime control via MIDI. I think some of them also support the control of effects parameters by input dynamics - that is, how loud/soft you play your instrument. Comparable in power might be the Kyma/Capybara system but this is not as compact or as portable as a single Eventide box because it requires a desktop computer. The VG8 is also a powerful unit, but in a different fashion. Links to websites describing the above can be found at the Digital Guitar Links page: http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/links.html Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 08 00:34:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 7 13:33:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIgK0-0006BI-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <971007162343_-1865032826@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Multi-effects Unit Resent-Message-ID: <"QIxpK.A.QUF.7spO0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/740 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:33:36 -0700 X-UIDL: b4f178e7fa0a41b169320a21c04c2eeb In a message dated 10/7/97 1:34:05 PM, pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu wrote: >Comparable in power might be the Kyma/Capybara system but this is not >as compact or as portable as a single Eventide box because it requires >a desktop computer. The Kyma System will now work with a PC Card in a laptop. Still a bit expensive, but immensely powerful..... Marshall From ???@??? 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Original text follows: --------------------- Received: from Spica.LaserMaster.Com by mercury.colorspan.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 22:58:42 -0600 Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by Spica.LaserMaster.Com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA17372 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:08:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xInFK-0007Pp-00; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:57:14 -0700 From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/volume97/167 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-Id: Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:57:14 -0700 ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 167 Today's Topics: Re: VORTEX [ Kim Flint ] cheaply starting out [ we are all trucks ] hello, yusuf [ Dtorn@aol.com ] Re: hello, yusuf [ Leonardo Cavallo ] Re: hello, yusuf [ Kim Flint ] Re: MIDI Light controllers [ Charles Cohen ] Re: hello, yusuf [ paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, ] Vortex wall wart [ "Bruce Gerow" ] Re: Lexicon address [ Randy Jones ] Re: Vortex wall wart [ Kim Flint ] Re: cheaply starting out [ BlkSwan03@aol.com ] Re: cheaply starting out [ Dave Stagner ] GEAR INFO [ Leonardo Cavallo ] Re: GEAR INFO [ "Marc Roche" ] Re: GEAR INFO [ "c.voit" ] Re: cheaply starting out [ buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barre ] boomerang [ Monkici@aol.com ] Re: boomerang [ "Mikell D. Nelson" ] Re: Multi-effects Unit [ floyd@voicenet.com ] Re: Multi-effects Unit [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] RE: Lexicon address [ "Hogan, Greg" ] Re: Multi-effects Unit [ "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VORTEX Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 At 8:22 AM -0700 10/4/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >Hi, > >I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. Lexicon PSUs are >really pricey. we're talking about $50, and yes they are available >only from Lexicon unless you have access to a real good parts >supplier. ya, ha ha! Anyone want to start the "wall warts, evil tools of Satan" thread again? My Jameco catalog has these for $5.49, P/N 102234, 1-800-831-4242, http://www.jameco.com. Connector is 2.1mm x 5.5mm female, don't know if that's right. They also sell all the numerous styles of jacks for about $.50 each. Lexicon (and all the other mfg using wallwarts) pay about $2 or less for these flimsy pieces of hum-radiating garbage, btw. And no, that usually doesn't translate into lower prices for you the poorly-informed consumer. Capitalism is so cool! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 18:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: we are all trucks To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: cheaply starting out Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 I think I asked this before, but I didn't get a whole lot of reply. I'm thinking about getting into looping, because some of the stuff I can dink out on piano strike me as sounding really cool made into a fullblown atonal loop. But I don't have a whole lot of cash. So what's suggestions? If I had the knowhow, I'd consider building my own analog machine, but even with instructions I can't understand what the hell I'm doing. Machinery is way beyond my skills. But I'm looking for the best way to start out. "You're such a wonderful person, it's insanity. But you've got problems. the asylum: I'll never touch you." (David Bowie) http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 16:00:26 -0700 From: Roland Eberle To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VORTEX Message-ID: <33BD808A.E5A1ABEA@ccnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Julia & Dave wrote: > Hi, > > I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. Lexicon PSUs are > really pricey. we're talking about $50, and yes they are available > only from Lexicon unless you have access to a real good parts > supplier. > > As far as footswitches are concerned, you'll have to find one > with a TRS output. Lexicon uses RE-AN footswitch circuits; > they are a British company that makes all the nice plastic > connectors you see on the back of your lexicons and most > european gear. > > Hope this helps a little. > > D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N > > "Echo is Instant Nostalgia" > > jndk@colba.net > > http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html > > ---------- > > From: Bruce Gerow > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: VORTEX > > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:35 AM > > > > Hi Loopers and Loopets, > > Can anyone suggest sources and/or perhaps know of prices for > power > supplys > > (wall Warts) that are good for the Lexicon Vortex.The unit says 9v > AC at > 1 > > amp.It also says use Lexicon msa ac adapter.Are they available from > > Lexicon?Also looking for footswitches. > > Thanks, > > LooseBruce Not true...Lexicon sells power supplies for about $11.00 plus s/h...one of the few things they dont gouge for IMHO(I've bought 3) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Dtorn@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: hello, yusuf Message-ID: <971004231344_1890999842@emout08.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 yo! thasall, just: hiya! best (au le rue), dt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:11:53 +0200 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello, yusuf Message-ID: <19971005091152156.AAA96@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 At 23.16 04/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >yo! >thasall, just: >hiya! >best (au le rue), >dt > > Hi david I don't know if you're a subscriber of this list or just casual.... but I'm really happy to have you here now. ciao leo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:07:46 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello, yusuf Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 At 11:16 PM -0400 10/4/97, Dtorn@aol.com wrote: >yo! >thasall, just: >hiya! >best (au le rue), >dt oh David, you're such a tease! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 12:59:21 -0400 From: Charles Cohen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MIDI Light controllers Message-ID: <3437C768.CB2@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buchla Lightning Controller: http://www.buchla.com/ -- **** What's Charles up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:47:53 -0400 From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hello, yusuf Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 and you bro ... best back to ya any sylvian developments with ya >yo! >thasall, just: >hiya! >best (au le rue), >dt Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 03:14:40 -0400 From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: Vortex wall wart Message-Id: <199710060119.UAA07026@mail.tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone was kind enough to send me the address and phone for Lexicon but the Devil mede me delete it.Any chance you could send it again?I want to order a wall wart for Vortex. Thanks, LooseBruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 09:04:36 -0500 From: Randy Jones To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon address Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971005090435.0097f100@texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello, Lexicon Inc. 100 Beaver Street :-) Waltham MA 02154 Tele 617-736-0300 Fax 617-891-0340 Randy At 03:14 AM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Someone was kind enough to send me the address and phone for Lexicon but >the Devil mede me delete it.Any chance you could send it again?I want to >order a wall wart for Vortex. > Thanks, > LooseBruce > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:46:08 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex wall wart Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 At 3:14 AM -0400 10/2/97, Bruce Gerow wrote: >Someone was kind enough to send me the address and phone for Lexicon but >the Devil mede me delete it.Any chance you could send it again?I want to >order a wall wart for Vortex. > Thanks, > LooseBruce Greg Hogan, Lex's customer service person, reads the list regularly and will probably help you first thing Monday. He's pretty good about that. email: kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 03:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheaply starting out Message-ID: <971006031826_1075688463@emout01.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 There really is no ultimately satisfying cheap way. I'd say: Get ambitious, mow some lawns, start a lemonade stand, work a geek job or two, whatever, just to get enough to get an Oberheim Echoplex. It sounds the best, can be memory expanded for very long loop times (you could do an entire piece.) and if it has the current software update it can be mated with another one and sync in stereo. this is amazing. The only other thing would be the Boomerang. It's less expensive but has lower fidelity and is not as expansive. Hope this helps a bit. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:36:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheaply starting out Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Just get a delay. ANY delay. Used Digitech and Boss delays with up to two seconds of memory are dirt cheap, well under $100. The little Zoom delay thing costs less than $150, and is programmable, tap tempo, etc. You do NOT need an Oberheim Echoplex or a full-blown tape looping rig in order to do looping! A cheap stomp box with infinite repeat is enough to get you started. My first looper didn't even have that... it was just a Boss pitch shifter/delay with 1.7 seconds of delay. Made a lot of good music with it. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:14:04 +0200 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: GEAR INFO Message-ID: <19971006151403703.AAA222@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi all sorry, this is not really loop related... so e-mail me privately. ANyone knows Ram Specs for Akai S1000 sampler? I'd like to upgrade mine but it seems not so cheap from AKAI... And what about pc sound cards? How is the SB 64 Gold? Any suggestions about other models ? thanks in advance leo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:21:15 -0700 From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: Re: GEAR INFO Message-Id: <199710061626.JAA07898@marge.cyber-dyne.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out Yamaha sb sucks ---------- > From: Leonardo Cavallo > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: GEAR INFO > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 8:14 AM > > > Hi all > > sorry, this is not really loop related... so e-mail me privately. > > ANyone knows Ram Specs for Akai S1000 sampler? I'd like to upgrade mine but > it seems not so cheap from AKAI... > > And what about pc sound cards? How is the SB 64 Gold? Any suggestions about > other models ? > > thanks in advance > > leo > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:32:19 +0100 From: "c.voit" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR INFO Message-ID: <34392E64.506D6040@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leo Turtle beach pinnacle Exept the minijack plugs this card is far from crap You can load wawes in sample ram ( cheap simms) up to 48 megs make your key map then you have the kurzweil architecture to tweak your sound the patch editor is on the TB site. have a look even without the card I bought the card almost a year ago and the updates/grades have been constant It works fine with cubase (from the first day) for almost nothing you get digital in/out manual is informative Lot of FAQ on line support : never got a human reply but I found the answers on the mailback helps tip: you better install it non PnP As I'm not working for them I'll stop now Claude PS: SB yerk :=( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:32:25 +0100 From: "c.voit" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR INFO Message-ID: <34392EB9.97C2C20A@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leo Turtle beach pinnacle Exept the minijack plugs this card is far from crap You can load wawes in sample ram ( cheap simms) up to 48 megs make your key map then you have the kurzweil architecture to tweak your sound the patch editor is on the TB site. have a look even without the card I bought the card almost a year ago and the updates/grades have been constant It works fine with cubase (from the first day) for almost nothing you get digital in/out manual is informative Lot of FAQ on line support : never got a human reply but I found the answers on the mailback helps tip: you better install it non PnP As I'm not working for them I'll stop now Claude PS: SB yerk :=( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:11:52 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cheaply starting out Message-Id: <199710061811.AA21298@world.std.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 People asked recently about the DFX94 from DOD, and I thought I'd comment quickly on my issues with it, as it also is relevent from the standpoint of "cheaply starting out" (a little over $100 new). Good: 4 second delay you can dynamically adjust delay time of an existing loop, speeding it up/slowing it down. This is even useful musically, not just as FX, since you can (with effort) change speed by a factor of 2, which changes the pitch by an octave supports both a delay mode (pedal turns on&off delay effect) and a "hold" model (pedal on: infinite repeat, can't layer; pedal off, decays according to feedback, you can layer), and you can switch between the two modes without losing the loop (but have to turn a knob) It also supports a mode which samples, then triggers on footpresses, but I've never even tested that it works. Bad, compared to other pedals I've used: Max feedback setting is not very high. Stuff fades out pretty quickly. And so there's lots of stuff you can't do... e.g. I used to love letting a loop fade out, then turn feedback > 100% and bringing the loop back, sounding heavily altered. Other issues: No wet/dry mix (just delay level, effectively always at least 50% dry)--I'm not sure I've ever seen a pedal that wasn't this way. Dunno whether it's really noisy; I've never tried isolating it from my other effects to see. As to how effective a looper it is, I'd say that I always had a lot of fun with it. However, I just got a JamMan, and I would have to say that even with the same loop durations, I'm creating entirely different textures due to the ability to set feedback to 100% (or just under). On the other hand with the JamMan, I'm disappointed about the tradeoff between echo and loop modes: echo is the only mode that allows feedback < 100%, but loop mode is the only way to do a "replace" (not to mention multiple loops). On the DFX I do this in infinite repeat mode by setting feedback to 0, then "punching in" and back out (feedback is ignored while the loop is holding). I guess with the JamMan if I got a MIDI footpedal I could trigger the appropriate feedback-setting-commands in echo mode at least. (Or I may be missing something, I've only had it a few days.) I also wish I could make the reset/bypass footswitch mean "select in the other direction", since as it stands I find the select footswitch useless during performance. Oops, this turned into a whine about the JamMan. Sorry. Sean Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:33:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Monkici@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: boomerang Message-ID: <971006152928_878539646@emout12.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 i keep seeing "boomerang" showing up and i'm wondering if any one has a phone number or web address for this company. thanks, ric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:19:40 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang Message-ID: <343947DC.510A@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i keep seeing "boomerang" showing up and i'm wondering if any one has a phone > number or web address for this company. Hi Ric, Here's the schtick, and thanks for your interest in the Boomerang Phrase Sampler. Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com Mike Nelson, co-owner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:28:13 +0100 From: "nicomonguzzi" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jamman upgrade Message-ID: <33C02A07.E33FAA7D@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ciao a tutti, hello everybody, i just discovered the looper's delight and =85 nice work folks i'm a drummer/percussionist and play with a guitarist, we use two jamman= synchronised, after a few problems we finally found the way. any news about the upgrade? it will be available in europe (switzerland)?= sorry for my english bye nicos :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:00:59 -0500 From: Grover Sheffield To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: boomerang Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971007010059.0067f030@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 At 03:33 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >i keep seeing "boomerang" showing up and i'm wondering if any one has a phone >number or web address for this company. > >thanks, ric > Ric, Boomerang Musical Products 1-800-530-4699 PO Box 54595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595> web page Boomerangmusic.com Grover ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:14:51 -0500 From: mark sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seasons & music Message-ID: <3439A92A.92540977@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Spica.LaserMaster.Com id XAA17372 A little thought on this subject again, now that we've had a few chilly days here in upstate NY. I find that I do listen to more ambient music in the winter. It is probably due to the increased reading that I have to do for school. I find it hard to concentrate on difficult material when I'm listening to music with lyrics or strong themes. Ambient is perfect for setting that sonic environment for studying. -- -- Mark =20 @ =F8??? IAMNOTHERE c =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:51:55 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <01BCD2F5.E2D28840@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my = SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently = using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:19:33 -0700 From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <199710071219.IAA19967@mail.colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the lower price range I'd recommend the Zoom Studio 1204. It has I think about 512 presets, you can tweak and store the effects you create, the tweaking done with knobs, and there is a nice 10 band vocoder in there as well with a 1/4 input at the front of the unit (full 1U rackmount). I don't work for Zoom, but I sure like their price/performance ratio. Oh, and this I think sells for under $200 US. later, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "Echo is Instant Nostalgia" jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html ---------- From: Mark Kata To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Multi-effects Unit Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 4:51 AM I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 1997 13:45:35 -0000 From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <19971007134535.22804.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) asked: > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my = > SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently = > using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? I love my Dynacord DRP-15 (distributed by electrovoice). It's not cheap but it's algorithms and sound quality are wonderful. And of course there's the effervescent Lexicon LXP-5. Maybe it's getting a little long in the tooth but it's a great unit if you can still find them. It has nice echo, delay, and pitch special effects programs. The user interface is simple for making quick changes. - Floyd Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <971007095212_-1628101252@emout13.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 <> My opinions, with emphasis on outside rather than meat'n'potatoes: Low end ($100-something): MANY choices....check out the Zoom 1201 Mid (under $1K): Again, MANY options....I'd check Alesis Quad GT, Ensoniq DP2, Boss GT-5 (my pick...in addition to the COSM preamps, a SERIOUS fx noise-maker, with ring mod, acoustic emulation, monosynths, an fx loop, and very cool delay looping -- under 2 sec, of course...more details upon application) High-mid (under $2K): Lex MPX-1 (sounds great, fantastic control options, but slow to change patches, and underpowered if you like long stereo fx chains), TC G-Force (ditto for the MPX pluses but neither of the minuses; the price-performance leader--and an audio knock-out!) High End (over $2K)...well, there's nothing in the same class with the $3500 Eventide GTR4000. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:24:06 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Lexicon address Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29119093@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Randy kindly informed the list of our contact information being: > Lexicon Inc. > 100 Beaver Street :-) > Waltham MA 02154 > Tele 617-736-0300 > Fax 617-891-0340 > We moved in November our current contact inormation is: Lexicon, Inc 3 Oak Park Bedford MA 01730 Tele 781-280-0300 FAX 781-280-0499 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:12:01 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <343A6D61.440C@dmans.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a Yamaha G10 pedal; it's discontinued, but can be found for around $250 used. Pros: very transparent to the through signal (adds no color), small, has an assignable expression pedal, good chorus & digital delay, ok flange, ok compression, ok wah wah (programmable), can function as volume pedal, easy to program. Cons: pitch shift is cheesy, has no reverbs, pedal cannot be assigned to delay time or chorus depth (only mix or level). The unit also has distortions, amp simulator, and EQ, which I don't use. I put it in the effects loop of my amp and it sounds great. When I've shopped for effects gear I try out many products, but always seem to gravitate to Yamaha for value: good sound & reliabilty for a reasonable price. On the other hand Digitech and Art stuff always seems to disappoint me. I bought 3 Digitech RP6's and they never could get me one that worked; sounded cheesy anyway. This is the third different Yamaha product I've had. > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <199710071830.LAA21757@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my = > SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently = > using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com As far as the high end goes, the Eventide Harmonizer 3000 and 4000 series are the most powerful processors of which I have heard. They let you construct your own effects out of building blocks such as summers, multipliers, etc. They also allow a lot of realtime control via MIDI. I think some of them also support the control of effects parameters by input dynamics - that is, how loud/soft you play your instrument. Comparable in power might be the Kyma/Capybara system but this is not as compact or as portable as a single Eventide box because it requires a desktop computer. The VG8 is also a powerful unit, but in a different fashion. Links to websites describing the above can be found at the Digital Guitar Links page: http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/links.html Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Marzzz@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <971007162343_-1865032826@emout20.mail.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In a message dated 10/7/97 1:34:05 PM, pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu wrote: >Comparable in power might be the Kyma/Capybara system but this is not >as compact or as portable as a single Eventide box because it requires >a desktop computer. The Kyma System will now work with a PC Card in a laptop. Still a bit expensive, but immensely powerful..... Marshall -------------------------------- End of Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 Issue #167 ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Oct 08 10:24:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 8 03:07:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xIt1h-0005HH-00; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:07:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9710078762.AA876283127@mercury.colorspan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:28:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: brainless mail servers from the dawn of time Resent-Message-ID: <"MoPt-D.A.FoE.-o1O0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/743 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:07:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ce30e7f71b8c7fd9812bb03fcca113a >Message is undeliverable. hmm, sorry about that mail bounce from hell there. If it happens again, the offending address will be made to suffer appropriately. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 08 23:38:49 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 8 17:40:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJ6eF-0004Wo-00; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:40:15 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199710090029.RAA03129@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit To: antonc@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <343A6A23.6243@earthlink.net> from "Anton Chovit" at Oct 7, 97 05:58:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1Y9d6B.A.VMD.CWCP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/744 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:40:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 4fa2abfbdf21149322325ffde436ce58 Some intriguing new toys described in the latest Musician's Friend catalog: Boss ME30 Multiple Effects Pedal ($249.99) Has the usual array of effects, but adds a Phrase Trainer feature that records up to 12 (or 22 - the catalog contradicts itself) seconds of whatever is plugged into a certain input. The apparent intention is to use the Phrase Trainer for learning a lick from, say, a CD. The recorded phrase can be slowed down up to 25% of the original speed without changing pitch. It can also be looped. The built-in expression pedal looks like a nice touch. Of course you don't have to plug in a CD player into the CD input... it could be something else... Digitech Guitar Talker ($239) Plug in a guitar (or whatever you want) and a mic. This is basically a vocoder pedal that lets you select between Vocoder, Talkbox, Darth Vader, and other sounds. One trick I've always wanted to try with a vocoder or similar effect is to use it in conjuction with an Ebow. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 09:00:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 05:37:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJHqg-0000GU-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:37:50 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:37:47 +0200 Message-ID: <19971009123746218.AAA230@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"aZKztD.A.eEH.o6MP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/745 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:37:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 44052f2a3740eec7a7a035a04213341e >Return-Path: >X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:00:29 -0500 >To: Leonardo Cavallo >From: Tom Spaulding >Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE > >Leo- >We are working on this. A CE approval is neccessary to do business in >Europe, and we have every intention of getting one within the next 6 >months. Please hang in there, we will be in Europe soon. > >Tom > >At 06:46 AM 10/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Hi mr Spaulding >> >>When will echoplex be shippedd to europe??? >> >>leo >> >> >> > For euro-loopers This is the reply I received from Mr Spaulding about Europlexes... 6 months of more waiting. I've ordered my unit in early may... it's a long wait! I'm wondering.... why another CE? Had the latest units (non upgrade) this european approval on them? I know some of the old Echoplexes arrived here, through official dealer. Do you need a new CE for just upgrading the same type od product?? It seems odd... maybe Mr Spaulding could give us an answer. ciao leo From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 11:19:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 11:18:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJNAW-0002Hs-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:18:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199710091750.KAA31868@scv4.apple.com> Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 12:53:57 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"_V94a.A.3SB.m3RP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/752 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:18:40 -0700 X-UIDL: a4d17c458fdce28d9c51c47cabf92abb Bob, Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex LTD, and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 09:01:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 07:02:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJJAU-0002ml-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:02:22 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D03E@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:54:12 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Sx3tXB.A.JRC.iKOP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/746 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:02:22 -0700 X-UIDL: f32a0d0ac70255b49bd5cc599f67b513 Being the system software programmer for the product, I might be slightly (alright, largely) biased but a mid priced multi-effects system to consider is the MPX1 from Lexicon (around $1000). One of the most important features of the MPX1 is the extent and sonic purity of the system's parameter controls. Each program contains 5 generic patches that can map external MIDI controllers, notes, pitch bend, aftertouch, etc, as well as the system's internal controllers to virtually every audio parameter. For internal controllers, the MPX 1 has 2 independent LFOs, 2 ADSRs (attack, decay, sustain, release), 2 envelope generators, a random number generator, an arpeggiator (outputs the arpeggiated notes and makes them available as control sources), an A/B generator and a sample and hold generator. In addition to the 5 patches, most of the internal controller sources have the built in ability to be controlled from all of the sources (MIDI, internal controllers, etc..). The system also has 10 global patches that allow mix and level parameters to always be controlled by a particular source. The potential combinations are amazing. I recently created a program that used a gas pedal plugged into the rear panel to simulatinously control delay input level, feedback and mix to operate a sort of pedal driven loop patch. With the pedal all the way back, the delay mix was set to dry. As you move the pedal forward, the delay starts getting brought in and the input is turned on. As the pedal is moved forward the feedback is increased until, near the very end of the pedal, the feedback is set to 100% and the input is muted effectively putting the system into a loop mode. You end up with a single pedal control that allows you to build loops (2 seconds max), layering into them, fading them, etc.. After playing with that for a while I added a pitch shifter to the output with the pitch patched to the squarewave output of one of the LFOs. The patch was set up to toggle the pitch shift up and down an octave. The rate of the LFO can be either locked to the delay/loop time using the tempo mode or an independent frequency producing some weird, evolving "Welcome to the Machine" kinds of sounds. One of the other things I really like about the MPX 1 is the EQs. There's a whole barrage of EQs available (single, dual, parametric, shelf) including a filter that emulates a moog synth ("SweepFilter"). Again, patching to parameters is unbelieveable. The system uses a seperate processor for reverbs so they always sound excellent and don't use up DSP processing power. There are also a variety of pitch shifters, detuners, chorus algorithms, tremolos, autopanners, etc.. that can be used independently or combined. Another cool thing about the MPX 1 is the audio routing. The system allows you to set the order of the effects and the relative positions of the effects: 2 stereo paths are available so you can send the high frequencies to a detuner while sending the lows to a looper, for instance. One last thing that I really like is a built in tone generator. It's basically a digital oscillator but can be patched to (patch the output level to an envelope and use it to beef up a kick drum). In addition to the "effect" type of things you can do with it, it also makes a nice oscillator for testing. Send the output to your mains and sweep the frequency as a quick frequency response test, check signal flow through your system or as a tuning reference. Anyway, just another multi-effects system to check out if you are in the market. Bob Sellon Software Engineer Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:50 AM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Multi-effects Unit > > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my > SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently > using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 09:01:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 07:21:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJJSh-0003vP-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:21:11 -0700 From: "JF. Carter" Message-Id: <199710091414.PAA02378@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Subject: echoplex, Euro voltage To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com (loopers delight) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:14:53 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9cGRIC.A.HPD.RcOP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/747 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:21:11 -0700 X-UIDL: cf76e0c924c47fca48a4c00507bd30c6 before I expend anymore time/trouble trying to get my hands on an echoplex, can someone answer the simple but vital question of whether or not the thing will operate on European mains voltage (230V 50Hz). If no-one has direct experience of this could you just tell me whether the power supply is transformer based or switching. I've seen some fine examples of what happens to 220V 60Hz equipment, with a switching powersupply, when you plug it into a 50Hz mains. Transformer stepped down systems alway seem to be fine. thanks for any info. Jim Carter From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 09:01:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 07:22:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJJU2-000446-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCD49D.64E34060@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:23:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Uo8zkD.A.jXD.LeOP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/748 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 07:22:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 73178b42da2e4fec23f298f98c1d95f8 No one has mentioned Rocktron's products, such as the Intellifex or the Replifex. How do they compare with the competition? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 09:21:57 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 09:19:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJLJ1-0005fC-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:19:19 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex for sale in LA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-vLSuD.A.WuE.IJQP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/749 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:19:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 3e307f2a61d7aa94a455d29cbdf63f77 I see in today's RECYCLER newspaper that someone is selling a Lexicon Vortex processor in the Los Angeles area for $125 obo. The # is (213) 390-8073. Go get 'em... --Andre From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 09:54:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 09:29:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJLSw-0006kh-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:29:34 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710091414.PAA02378@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:19:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex, Euro voltage Resent-Message-ID: <"Fv4Lh.A.dnF.JTQP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/750 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:29:34 -0700 X-UIDL: d344a8708f3e3d1cd530a68e1b0e515a Hi- I designed the power supply in the echoplex, so I guess I can answer the question.... yes, it will work fine on 230V 50hz. There is a switch on the back to change between 115V and 230V. Just make sure you switch it to the correct setting. It's a linear supply with a dual primary on the transformer, so the switch just configures it to step the voltage down appropriately. 50/60 hz will not make a difference. No noisy switcher supplies here! Also, the supply is designed to be very tolerant of voltage variations, so if the voltage sags or whatever, you shouldn't have a problem. In the 115V setting, it will operate down to a mains voltage of about 88V! That also means it will work fine in Japan, where the voltage is 100V if I recall right. hope this answers your question. kim >before I expend anymore time/trouble trying to get my hands on >an echoplex, can someone answer the simple but vital question of >whether or not the thing will operate on European mains voltage >(230V 50Hz). >If no-one has direct experience of this could you just tell me >whether the power supply is transformer based or switching. >I've seen some fine examples of what happens to 220V 60Hz >equipment, with a switching powersupply, when you plug it into >a 50Hz mains. Transformer stepped down systems alway seem to be fine. > >thanks for any info. > >Jim Carter ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 10:15:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 10:04:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJM0Z-0002Xx-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:04:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971009123746218.AAA230@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:46:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Resent-Message-ID: <"HT1jl.A.UfB.8xQP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/751 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:04:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 110c77c8eb78ff385443fc12bfc7b3c7 At 2:37 PM +0200 10/9/97, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: >For euro-loopers > >This is the reply I received from Mr Spaulding about Europlexes... >6 months of more waiting. I've ordered my unit in early may... it's a long >wait! > >I'm wondering.... why another CE? I don't think it's another CE approval. The product was designed well before CE went into effect, and needed changes to meet the new requirements. Those changes cost quite a bit and still need to be implemented, so it never really has passed CE. The units you have seen may have already been there when CE started, or the dealer in question may have been less scrupulous than you think. The design changes were all done, I think they just need to be built with the new design. CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. The bigger companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales volume to make it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. I'm not really a fan of deregulation, but you guys could have made it a little easier! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 12:24:43 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 11:35:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJNQE-00046r-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:34:54 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710091750.KAA31868@scv4.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:24:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Resent-Message-ID: <"7VVXjB.A.W3C.1GSP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:34:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 383b8add151f071dd2a910145fb13fbf At 12:53 PM +0000 10/9/97, T.W. Hartnett wrote: >Bob, > >Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex LTD, >and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How >quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > >Travis Hartnett That was the reason I bought an intellifex over an LXP-15 years ago. I'd be interested in the patch switching time, too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 12:24:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 11:55:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJNkA-0006Ef-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:55:30 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D067@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:46:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iVO9iC.A.uPF.rcSP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/754 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:55:30 -0700 X-UIDL: a831253d78edbc69440a22ed71a47c62 Travis, The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Bob, > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > LTD, > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > Travis Hartnett > From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 12:24:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 12:04:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJNsm-0007CJ-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:04:24 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCD4C4.2D065700@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:01:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ALwbFD.A.w2F.iiSP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:04:24 -0700 X-UIDL: b2da006a6303f3e061979a916cacacd6 Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Travis, The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Bob, > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > LTD, > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > Travis Hartnett > From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 16:34:01 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 12:40:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJORC-00037s-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:39:58 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F41@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:28:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"tlDdnD.A.CGC.tETP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/756 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:39:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d342f9b03ab6069009ae5b90e25dda1 Dry signal can be passed through unchanged during program changes in the MPX 1. The same is true for the LXP15 V2.00 software. The LXP15 V1.31 software did mute the entire signal during program changes. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg hogan Lexicon customer Service Phone 781-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:02 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time? > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > > ---------- > From: Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Travis, > The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about > 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. > > Bob Sellon > Lexicon/Stec > > > ---------- > > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > > > Bob, > > > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > > LTD, > > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > > > Travis Hartnett > > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 16:34:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 12:48:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJOYz-00043a-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:48:01 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D06F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:38:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"KgkZwD.A.R_C.nMTP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/757 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:48:01 -0700 X-UIDL: ef51a874e7e3a863d1ea61fef2e10b0d It's selectable: Mute or bypass. The newest version of the software (V1.10) which accompanies the new Remote Footcontroller (MPX R1) allows the signal level during the bypass be adjusted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:02 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time? > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > > ---------- > From: Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Travis, > The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about > 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. > > Bob Sellon > Lexicon/Stec > > > ---------- > > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > > > Bob, > > > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > > LTD, > > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > > > Travis Hartnett > > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 18:06:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 17:20:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJSoS-0006jG-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: <343D741D.3200@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:17:38 -0400 From: msottila Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: lightworks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan sync misconceptions. References: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D03E@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sdvYQD.A.g0F.fNXP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/758 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:20:16 -0700 X-UIDL: de7e16713fc4dad167b56a2b4c7f12aa Hello all. A few weeks ago, I sent a message asking if I were going to have trouble syncing 2 JamMans from the MIDI clock of the sequencer of a Ensonic TS-10. I forgot who responded, but I was told I was going to have problems daisy chaining the 2 JamMans. The work around was to sync all three devices to a single MIDI clock source with a MIDI splitter. I purchesed a splitter and tried sending MIDI clock to both the JamMen from the sequencer and had really bad delay problems. I had a show the next day and I couldn't find any cheap solution for a MIDI clock generating device. What to do, you might ask. Well our newest member(owner of JamMan #2), with a very rudimentry knowledge of MIDI, suggested hooking up the devices as I had originally envisioned. MIDI out of the sequencer to the in of my JamMan, MIDI out of my JamMan into the in of his. With the advise I had gotten, it sounded implausable, but what the hell? It was worth a try. Anyway, you've probably guessed the end of this one already. It worked perfectly, as I originally predicted it would. No delay problems what so ever. The show was a sucess and now I'm rich and famous. Just kidding, but the show went well and was void of any syncing problems. What were you talking about when you told me to split the MIDI signal? Could it have been that you thought that I wanted both units to start looping at the same time? I didn't. Both machines are autonamous, used by different members, they just need to have access to the same MIDI clock. So if anyone was put off by thinking that syncing two JamMen to a single MIDI clock was a problem, as I did, forget it. It works great! Happy looping. (anyone want to buy a very slightly used MIDI splitter?) From ???@??? Thu Oct 09 18:06:53 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 17:29:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJSwu-0007fj-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:29:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199710100019.MAA24876@planet.ak.planet.gen.nz> From: "cookie" To: Subject: Fw: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:19:29 +1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZK0xeB.A.uYG.sTXP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/759 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:29:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 5214e09708cf20a760b97e460e676051 ---------- > From: cookie > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilst.com > Subject: > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:16 PM > > hey there ! i made my first loops at the age of seven or eight, on an > old ampex > machine.... this was about 27/28 years ago !! sadly i've none of that > now.. :( > > ever tried making _really_ long tape loops ? i used to do it by putting > cotton-reels > on pencils stuck into anything that would hold them up - all round the room > !!! > > and with the old sound-on-sound function switched in, you could have them > constantly > eveolving ! ( great way to get an atmosphere going ! ) > > bye now, > > cookie From ???@??? Fri Oct 10 10:36:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 9 23:01:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJY8f-0000fr-00; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:01:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:56:18 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199710100156_MC2-236D-5656@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"u949JD.A.zX.ePcP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/760 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:01:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 05785a26012f0382231f3ae57311e484 Status: U >I'm wondering.... why another CE? >Had the latest units (non upgrade) this european approval on them? I don't think they had a CE stamp. They were imported to Europe when the CE stamp was not required yet. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Oct 10 10:36:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 03:23:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJcEV-0004vU-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:23:47 -0700 Message-Id: <16181.199710101018@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:18:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Resent-Message-ID: <"iJazGB.A.FbE.DFgP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/761 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 03:23:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 30f1187b82548e7201c4590b446d8b45 Status: U Kim: >CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing >the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too >expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. Serves ya right for making substandard gear! Ha! > The bigger companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales >volume > to make it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. I'm amazed. Aren't there decent standards held in the States? > That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. Nah, that's just taxes and stuff. Strats cost more here than there. Going strat price is over $1000 right now. From ???@??? Fri Oct 10 10:36:52 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 08:35:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJh69-0001CC-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <343E1178.6B71@hhmi.upenn.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:28:07 +0000 From: "Robert S. Carter" Reply-To: rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. References: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D03E@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> <343D741D.3200@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IWMJh.A.6l.FnkP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/762 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:35:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 5887b13845a218aebd694b939dd5b84e Status: U msottila wrote: > > Hello all. > > A few weeks ago, I sent a message asking if I were going to have trouble > syncing 2 JamMans from the MIDI clock of the sequencer of a Ensonic > TS-10. I > Well our newest member(owner of JamMan #2), with a very rudimentry > knowledge of MIDI, suggested hooking up the devices as I had originally > envisioned. MIDI out of the sequencer to the in of my JamMan, MIDI out > of my JamMan into the in of his. With the advise I had gotten, it > sounded implausable, but what the hell? It was worth a try. > > Anyway, you've probably guessed the end of this one already. It worked > perfectly, as I originally predicted it would. No delay problems what > so ever. > > I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. In the MIDI implementation chart in the JamMAn manual it clearly states that all MIDI data with the exception of MIDI clock is echoed to the JamMAn's MIDI out. I also use sequencers and other devices to generate mIDI clock and my experience is that the clock will NOT go thru my JamMan. Because I have other devices that also will not echo MIDI clock that need to be simultaneously slaved I have resorted to using pMIDI patchbays as splitters. I have used both a MX8 and a yamaha MEP4 with satisfactory resulsts. BOB. From ???@??? Fri Oct 10 10:37:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 10:19:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJiiG-00027Z-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:18:56 -0700 Message-ID: <343E29A5.834@hhmi.upenn.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:11:18 +0000 From: "Robert S. Carter" Reply-To: rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ozdojB.A.QYB.uHmP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/764 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:18:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 7b9701578431490780a34dd08afb3b32 Status: U Steven Dubofsky wrote: > > Are you sure the JMs out isn't a switchable thru/out? A lot of gear that > skimps on the midi connectors use this configuration including Boss abd > Alesis multi effctors. > The JamMan MIDI out in fact does act as a MIDI through and echoes all info EXCEPT (according to the manual and in my experience) MIDI clock. It would obviously be great if it did echo clock as well- whether this might bne switchable via some esoteric function the the decvice's utility mode, I dunno- no mention of any sort is made in the manual. Perhaps our Lexicon buddies can fill us in... BOB. From ???@??? Fri Oct 10 10:36:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 08:48:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJhIW-0002Uv-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:48:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Robert S. Carter" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. In-Reply-To: <343E1178.6B71@hhmi.upenn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"22CkoC.A.KuB.AzkP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/763 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:48:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 60d9dbd301e8b5ac21372c6ed649330e Status: U > > > > I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. In the MIDI implementation > chart in the JamMAn manual it clearly states that all MIDI data with > the exception of MIDI clock is echoed to the JamMAn's MIDI out. I also > use sequencers and other devices to generate mIDI clock and my > experience is that the clock will NOT go thru my JamMan. Because I have > other devices that also will not echo MIDI clock that need to be > simultaneously slaved I have resorted to using pMIDI patchbays as > splitters. I have used both a MX8 and a yamaha MEP4 with satisfactory > resulsts. Are you sure the JMs out isn't a switchable thru/out? A lot of gear that skimps on the midi connectors use this configuration including Boss abd Alesis multi effctors. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? 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Original text follows: --------------------- Received: from Spica.LaserMaster.Com by mercury.colorspan.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 12:16:32 -0600 Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by Spica.LaserMaster.Com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA09048 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:25:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJieD-0001i0-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:14:45 -0700 From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/volume97/170 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-Id: Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:14:45 -0700 ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 170 Today's Topics: Re: brainless mail servers from the [ Kim Flint ] Re: Multi-effects Unit [ Paolo Valladolid ] RE: Multi-effects Unit [ "Sellon, Bob" ] echoplex, Euro voltage [ "JF. Carter" ] Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE [ Kim Flint ] RE: Multi-effects Unit [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] RE: Multi-effects Unit [ "Sellon, Bob" ] RE: Multi-effects Unit [ Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) ] RE: Multi-effects Unit [ "Hogan, Greg" ] RE: Multi-effects Unit [ "Sellon, Bob" ] JamMan sync misconceptions. [ msottila ] Fw: [ "cookie" ] RE: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE [ Michael Peters ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@annihilist.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:28:00 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: brainless mail servers from the dawn of time Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Message is undeliverable. hmm, sorry about that mail bounce from hell there. If it happens again, the offending address will be made to suffer appropriately. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Valladolid To: antonc@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <199710090029.RAA03129@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some intriguing new toys described in the latest Musician's Friend catalog: Boss ME30 Multiple Effects Pedal ($249.99) Has the usual array of effects, but adds a Phrase Trainer feature that records up to 12 (or 22 - the catalog contradicts itself) seconds of whatever is plugged into a certain input. The apparent intention is to use the Phrase Trainer for learning a lick from, say, a CD. The recorded phrase can be slowed down up to 25% of the original speed without changing pitch. It can also be looped. The built-in expression pedal looks like a nice touch. Of course you don't have to plug in a CD player into the CD input... it could be something else... Digitech Guitar Talker ($239) Plug in a guitar (or whatever you want) and a mic. This is basically a vocoder pedal that lets you select between Vocoder, Talkbox, Darth Vader, and other sounds. One trick I've always wanted to try with a vocoder or similar effect is to use it in conjuction with an Ebow. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:37:47 +0200 From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Message-ID: <19971009123746218.AAA230@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Return-Path: >X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:00:29 -0500 >To: Leonardo Cavallo >From: Tom Spaulding >Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE > >Leo- >We are working on this. A CE approval is neccessary to do business in >Europe, and we have every intention of getting one within the next 6 >months. Please hang in there, we will be in Europe soon. > >Tom > >At 06:46 AM 10/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Hi mr Spaulding >> >>When will echoplex be shippedd to europe??? >> >>leo >> >> >> > For euro-loopers This is the reply I received from Mr Spaulding about Europlexes... 6 months of more waiting. I've ordered my unit in early may... it's a long wait! I'm wondering.... why another CE? Had the latest units (non upgrade) this european approval on them? I know some of the old Echoplexes arrived here, through official dealer. Do you need a new CE for just upgrading the same type od product?? It seems odd... maybe Mr Spaulding could give us an answer. ciao leo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:54:12 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D03E@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Being the system software programmer for the product, I might be slightly (alright, largely) biased but a mid priced multi-effects system to consider is the MPX1 from Lexicon (around $1000). One of the most important features of the MPX1 is the extent and sonic purity of the system's parameter controls. Each program contains 5 generic patches that can map external MIDI controllers, notes, pitch bend, aftertouch, etc, as well as the system's internal controllers to virtually every audio parameter. For internal controllers, the MPX 1 has 2 independent LFOs, 2 ADSRs (attack, decay, sustain, release), 2 envelope generators, a random number generator, an arpeggiator (outputs the arpeggiated notes and makes them available as control sources), an A/B generator and a sample and hold generator. In addition to the 5 patches, most of the internal controller sources have the built in ability to be controlled from all of the sources (MIDI, internal controllers, etc..). The system also has 10 global patches that allow mix and level parameters to always be controlled by a particular source. The potential combinations are amazing. I recently created a program that used a gas pedal plugged into the rear panel to simulatinously control delay input level, feedback and mix to operate a sort of pedal driven loop patch. With the pedal all the way back, the delay mix was set to dry. As you move the pedal forward, the delay starts getting brought in and the input is turned on. As the pedal is moved forward the feedback is increased until, near the very end of the pedal, the feedback is set to 100% and the input is muted effectively putting the system into a loop mode. You end up with a single pedal control that allows you to build loops (2 seconds max), layering into them, fading them, etc.. After playing with that for a while I added a pitch shifter to the output with the pitch patched to the squarewave output of one of the LFOs. The patch was set up to toggle the pitch shift up and down an octave. The rate of the LFO can be either locked to the delay/loop time using the tempo mode or an independent frequency producing some weird, evolving "Welcome to the Machine" kinds of sounds. One of the other things I really like about the MPX 1 is the EQs. There's a whole barrage of EQs available (single, dual, parametric, shelf) including a filter that emulates a moog synth ("SweepFilter"). Again, patching to parameters is unbelieveable. The system uses a seperate processor for reverbs so they always sound excellent and don't use up DSP processing power. There are also a variety of pitch shifters, detuners, chorus algorithms, tremolos, autopanners, etc.. that can be used independently or combined. Another cool thing about the MPX 1 is the audio routing. The system allows you to set the order of the effects and the relative positions of the effects: 2 stereo paths are available so you can send the high frequencies to a detuner while sending the lows to a looper, for instance. One last thing that I really like is a built in tone generator. It's basically a digital oscillator but can be patched to (patch the output level to an envelope and use it to beef up a kick drum). In addition to the "effect" type of things you can do with it, it also makes a nice oscillator for testing. Send the output to your mains and sweep the frequency as a quick frequency response test, check signal flow through your system or as a tuning reference. Anyway, just another multi-effects system to check out if you are in the market. Bob Sellon Software Engineer Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:50 AM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Multi-effects Unit > > I'm thinking about getting a new multi-effects unit to patch into my > SansAmp PSA-1 preamp and the rest of my looping rig. I'm currently > using a Peavey ProFex Mark 1. > > Any suggestions in the low, medium and high price ranges? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:14:53 +0100 (BST) From: "JF. Carter" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com (loopers delight) Subject: echoplex, Euro voltage Message-Id: <199710091414.PAA02378@zeus.bris.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit before I expend anymore time/trouble trying to get my hands on an echoplex, can someone answer the simple but vital question of whether or not the thing will operate on European mains voltage (230V 50Hz). If no-one has direct experience of this could you just tell me whether the power supply is transformer based or switching. I've seen some fine examples of what happens to 220V 60Hz equipment, with a switching powersupply, when you plug it into a 50Hz mains. Transformer stepped down systems alway seem to be fine. thanks for any info. Jim Carter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:23:29 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Re: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <01BCD49D.64E34060@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one has mentioned Rocktron's products, such as the Intellifex or the Replifex. How do they compare with the competition? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex for sale in LA Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I see in today's RECYCLER newspaper that someone is selling a Lexicon Vortex processor in the Los Angeles area for $125 obo. The # is (213) 390-8073. Go get 'em... --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:19:20 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: echoplex, Euro voltage Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi- I designed the power supply in the echoplex, so I guess I can answer the question.... yes, it will work fine on 230V 50hz. There is a switch on the back to change between 115V and 230V. Just make sure you switch it to the correct setting. It's a linear supply with a dual primary on the transformer, so the switch just configures it to step the voltage down appropriately. 50/60 hz will not make a difference. No noisy switcher supplies here! Also, the supply is designed to be very tolerant of voltage variations, so if the voltage sags or whatever, you shouldn't have a problem. In the 115V setting, it will operate down to a mains voltage of about 88V! That also means it will work fine in Japan, where the voltage is 100V if I recall right. hope this answers your question. kim >before I expend anymore time/trouble trying to get my hands on >an echoplex, can someone answer the simple but vital question of >whether or not the thing will operate on European mains voltage >(230V 50Hz). >If no-one has direct experience of this could you just tell me >whether the power supply is transformer based or switching. >I've seen some fine examples of what happens to 220V 60Hz >equipment, with a switching powersupply, when you plug it into >a 50Hz mains. Transformer stepped down systems alway seem to be fine. > >thanks for any info. > >Jim Carter ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:46:32 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:37 PM +0200 10/9/97, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: >For euro-loopers > >This is the reply I received from Mr Spaulding about Europlexes... >6 months of more waiting. I've ordered my unit in early may... it's a long >wait! > >I'm wondering.... why another CE? I don't think it's another CE approval. The product was designed well before CE went into effect, and needed changes to meet the new requirements. Those changes cost quite a bit and still need to be implemented, so it never really has passed CE. The units you have seen may have already been there when CE started, or the dealer in question may have been less scrupulous than you think. The design changes were all done, I think they just need to be built with the new design. CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. The bigger companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales volume to make it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. I'm not really a fan of deregulation, but you guys could have made it a little easier! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 12:53:57 -0000 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <199710091750.KAA31868@scv4.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Bob, Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex LTD, and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:24:58 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:53 PM +0000 10/9/97, T.W. Hartnett wrote: >Bob, > >Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex LTD, >and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How >quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > >Travis Hartnett That was the reason I bought an intellifex over an LXP-15 years ago. I'd be interested in the patch switching time, too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:46:20 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D067@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Travis, The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Bob, > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > LTD, > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > Travis Hartnett > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:01:07 -0400 From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-ID: <01BCD4C4.2D065700@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Travis, The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Bob, > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > LTD, > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > Travis Hartnett > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:28:49 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F41@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Dry signal can be passed through unchanged during program changes in the MPX 1. The same is true for the LXP15 V2.00 software. The LXP15 V1.31 software did mute the entire signal during program changes. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg hogan Lexicon customer Service Phone 781-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:02 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time? > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > > ---------- > From: Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Travis, > The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about > 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. > > Bob Sellon > Lexicon/Stec > > > ---------- > > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > > > Bob, > > > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > > LTD, > > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > > > Travis Hartnett > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:38:09 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2912D06F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Content-Type: text/plain It's selectable: Mute or bypass. The newest version of the software (V1.10) which accompanies the new Remote Footcontroller (MPX R1) allows the signal level during the bypass be adjusted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Mark@asisoftware.com[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:02 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Is the input's signal silenced during the loading time? > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > > ---------- > From: Sellon, Bob[SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > Travis, > The program load time on the MPX 1 varies from about 100ms to about > 400ms depending on the complexity of the program being loaded. > > Bob Sellon > Lexicon/Stec > > > ---------- > > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 2:16 PM > > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > > Subject: RE: Multi-effects Unit > > > > Bob, > > > > Thanks for the overview of the MPX-1. I currently use an Intellifex > > LTD, > > and one of the major selling points was the gapless switching. How > > quickly does the MPX-1 change patches? > > > > Travis Hartnett > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:17:38 -0400 From: msottila To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan sync misconceptions. Message-ID: <343D741D.3200@mailbox.syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. A few weeks ago, I sent a message asking if I were going to have trouble syncing 2 JamMans from the MIDI clock of the sequencer of a Ensonic TS-10. I forgot who responded, but I was told I was going to have problems daisy chaining the 2 JamMans. The work around was to sync all three devices to a single MIDI clock source with a MIDI splitter. I purchesed a splitter and tried sending MIDI clock to both the JamMen from the sequencer and had really bad delay problems. I had a show the next day and I couldn't find any cheap solution for a MIDI clock generating device. What to do, you might ask. Well our newest member(owner of JamMan #2), with a very rudimentry knowledge of MIDI, suggested hooking up the devices as I had originally envisioned. MIDI out of the sequencer to the in of my JamMan, MIDI out of my JamMan into the in of his. With the advise I had gotten, it sounded implausable, but what the hell? It was worth a try. Anyway, you've probably guessed the end of this one already. It worked perfectly, as I originally predicted it would. No delay problems what so ever. The show was a sucess and now I'm rich and famous. Just kidding, but the show went well and was void of any syncing problems. What were you talking about when you told me to split the MIDI signal? Could it have been that you thought that I wanted both units to start looping at the same time? I didn't. Both machines are autonamous, used by different members, they just need to have access to the same MIDI clock. So if anyone was put off by thinking that syncing two JamMen to a single MIDI clock was a problem, as I did, forget it. It works great! Happy looping. (anyone want to buy a very slightly used MIDI splitter?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:19:29 +1300 From: "cookie" To: Subject: Fw: Message-Id: <199710100019.MAA24876@planet.ak.planet.gen.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: cookie > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilst.com > Subject: > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:16 PM > > hey there ! i made my first loops at the age of seven or eight, on an > old ampex > machine.... this was about 27/28 years ago !! sadly i've none of that > now.. :( > > ever tried making _really_ long tape loops ? i used to do it by putting > cotton-reels > on pencils stuck into anything that would hold them up - all round the room > !!! > > and with the old sound-on-sound function switched in, you could have them > constantly > eveolving ! ( great way to get an atmosphere going ! ) > > bye now, > > cookie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:56:18 -0400 From: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Message-ID: <199710100156_MC2-236D-5656@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline >I'm wondering.... why another CE? = >Had the latest units (non upgrade) this european approval on them? = I don't think they had a CE stamp. They were imported to Europe when the = CE stamp was not required yet. = ___________ Michael Peters = http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:18:48 +0100 From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Message-Id: <16181.199710101018@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim: >CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing >the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too >expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. Serves ya right for making substandard gear! Ha! > The bigger companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales >volume > to make it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. I'm amazed. Aren't there decent standards held in the States? > That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. Nah, that's just taxes and stuff. Strats cost more here than there. Going strat price is over $1000 right now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:28:07 +0000 From: "Robert S. Carter" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. Message-ID: <343E1178.6B71@hhmi.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit msottila wrote: > > Hello all. > > A few weeks ago, I sent a message asking if I were going to have trouble > syncing 2 JamMans from the MIDI clock of the sequencer of a Ensonic > TS-10. I > Well our newest member(owner of JamMan #2), with a very rudimentry > knowledge of MIDI, suggested hooking up the devices as I had originally > envisioned. MIDI out of the sequencer to the in of my JamMan, MIDI out > of my JamMan into the in of his. With the advise I had gotten, it > sounded implausable, but what the hell? It was worth a try. > > Anyway, you've probably guessed the end of this one already. It worked > perfectly, as I originally predicted it would. No delay problems what > so ever. > > I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. In the MIDI implementation chart in the JamMAn manual it clearly states that all MIDI data with the exception of MIDI clock is echoed to the JamMAn's MIDI out. I also use sequencers and other devices to generate mIDI clock and my experience is that the clock will NOT go thru my JamMan. Because I have other devices that also will not echo MIDI clock that need to be simultaneously slaved I have resorted to using pMIDI patchbays as splitters. I have used both a MX8 and a yamaha MEP4 with satisfactory resulsts. BOB. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Robert S. Carter" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > I'm sorry, I just don't understand this. In the MIDI implementation > chart in the JamMAn manual it clearly states that all MIDI data with > the exception of MIDI clock is echoed to the JamMAn's MIDI out. I also > use sequencers and other devices to generate mIDI clock and my > experience is that the clock will NOT go thru my JamMan. Because I have > other devices that also will not echo MIDI clock that need to be > simultaneously slaved I have resorted to using pMIDI patchbays as > splitters. I have used both a MX8 and a yamaha MEP4 with satisfactory > resulsts. Are you sure the JMs out isn't a switchable thru/out? A lot of gear that skimps on the midi connectors use this configuration including Boss abd Alesis multi effctors. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw -------------------------------- End of Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 Issue #170 ********************************************** From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 02:03:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 12:06:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJkO8-00078a-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:06:16 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16181.199710101018@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:54:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Resent-Message-ID: <"LFZS7B.A.rgF.SonP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/766 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:06:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 267309657a40954143c267c6a047e95c >Kim: >>CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing >>the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too >>expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. > >Serves ya right for making substandard gear! Ha! It wasn't substandard when we designed it, just after you guys changed the laws! It had already been shipping for quite a while before that, meaning it had to be changed in production. Huge pain. It was those damned EMI regulations. Do you know how much it costs just to find out if you have an EMI problem? The scan labs charge at least $200 an hour, plus another $200/hour for a consultant since you almost certainly don't know what you're doing. And you're gonna be sitting in there for a while! And then you've got to pay some other bunch of overpriced consultants who may or may not know what they're doing to recommend design changes to correct any problems, then you've got to redesign a shipping product, build new prototypes, scan them again, probably do it over again since the consultant turned out to be a flake, redo all the production engineering, fill out all the paperwork, etc. That's a lot of cash for a small company and a low volume product. I mean, jeez. If the music is good, who cares if it stops a pacemaker or two? :-) > >> The bigger companies could afford to make the changes and had the sales >>volume > to make it worthwhile; they just bumped the price way up. > >I'm amazed. Aren't there decent standards held in the States? Ha! In the land of the free-market-no-matter-how-much-damage-it-causes? Don't get me wrong, I think the standards are a good thing. It's just that the economic reality was pretty severe for small companies already dealing with the expense of competing in a foreign market. I knew of several small companies that just didn't bother. >> That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. > >Nah, that's just taxes and stuff. Strats cost more here than there. Going >strat price is over $1000 right now. Strats have to pass CE too! At Gibson, we were actually scanning Les Pauls for EMI problems. It was crazy. anyway, back to looping.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 02:04:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 13:56:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJm72-0003jk-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:56:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:49:21 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199710102049.AA15418@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: stereoizing mono loop with vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"Frcn3.A.0wC.XTpP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/767 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:56:44 -0700 X-UIDL: d974a2b80304e63c206f2bd5b03849e8 A sidenote: As a new owner of both a JamMan and a Vortex, I want to give many thanks to everyone involved with this list (and the website) for being such fabulous sources of information (and used gear). I've never bought equipment I'd never tried out with such a good understanding of what I was getting. [This is kinda long, and totally Vortex specific... it's not the looper you're looking for... move along.] I had been expecting that I was going to use the Vortex as a "performance expression effect" on my guitar sound; however, until I get an expression pedal for it, this probably won't happen, because I've gotten hooked on placing it _after_ my JamMan, and using it to give the (long) JamMan mono loops a stereo field. This will probably be less interesting if I were to play live with the setup, but it is especially appealing when I'm playing late at night with headphones (and it's _plausible_ I'd be willing to consume half of my 4-tracks tracks on a single loop). My goal is/was most definitely to achieve the "sound" of a stereo loop, so I don't care (for this purpose) about changing the effect dynamically. Initially, I used the Vortex as a glorified stereo chorus. Then I hit on the notion of using the Vortex's delays as a "sustain" in the sense of performing volume-swelled notes so that they blend seamlessly with the delay. The reason it's interesting to do this in the Vortex (as opposed to actually embeddeding it into the loop "proper" as it's stored in the JamMan) is that it means that the note coming into the Vortex is shorter. Thus, if there is some kind of dynamically changing effect "at the front" of the Vortex, the shorter note will be "mostly the same", and then the echoes will hold it out; if the echoes were "stored in the loop", then the note would pick up the changing sound. To put it in a different, maybe more clear way: if I play two overlapping notes (as heard through the Vortex), each of which lasts for 5 seconds, and the second starts two seconds after the first--if you "sustain" the notes outside the Vortex, then during the 3 seconds the notes overlap, they'll be processed identically--making it sound like a mono loop with stereo processing. If each note is actually 1 second long, with the Vortex "echo sustaining" it for another 4 seconds, then those two notes can sound "independent" if there's an effect that has changed sound in the intervening 1 second. To be more specific, the idea I had in my head (which I am about to describe trying to implement) was that a Vortex patch with an LFO-panner on the inputs, and the delays arranged as a true stereo echo, would make it so that each note played into the Vortex would come out at a random location in the stereo field; tuning the panning speed makes sure that the notes don't move too much during the time they're actually at the input of the Vortex (and going through the panner). I.e., conceptually, I want the whole system to sound like I have a "stereo JamMan", and each note added to it is placed at a different position in the stereo field. The actual description above achieves that, except that when a loop repeats, the stereo position will change (since the timing of the loop and the panning LFO aren't in sync). So, I hunt through the list of effects for something that does this. The best I find is (I assume now, I didn't take notes) Maze A, which is basically this, except that (according to the chart) the echoes are connected L&R reversed from the direct signal. That could be coped with by not mixing in the direct signal. However, it seemed that the echoes simply did not have the same stereo separation that the direct signal did, and I couldn't quite figure out why. This could have been user error, but I found a substitute--Cycloid A, which does "filter panning", worked pretty well. The effect was interesting, and did give an interesting stereo quality to the loop--a very different kind of stereo than just "glorified stereo chorus". Well, I thought that was the end of that, so I ignored my JamMan and decided independently, for fun, to try to make a Vortex patch with the Vortex looping but some internal effect on the feedback, so that the loop would get progressively "nastier" (for a definition of nasty meaning multiple passes of some effect). The choices for algorithms that do this are extremely limited; unless I'm forgetting one, just Shadow A, which has an _unconfigurable_ hicut filter in the feedback loop, to simulate tape echo, and Atmosphere B, which has two modulators in the feedback loop, and 7 parameters affecting them! Sounds great. So then I wasted a bunch of time trying to figure out the parameters did. (Where "waste" is defined as "I never did understand". Anyone care to attempt to explain _what_ a modulator is, and then hence what a _tap_ is? I'm assuming the difference between a tuned tap and a gliding tap is simply that the former is fixed and the latter has a parameter that is swept with the LFO.) I pretty much failed to get any kind of interesting "each time it repeats it gets nastier". To connect back to how this started, however, I did accidentally create a surprising looping effect which I didn't even think was possible with just a pair of delays: a stereo echo where each echo occurs at a different location in the stereo field. That is, the first echo is basically in the center, the second is a little more to the right, etc., until they're mostly on the right; then they move back across to the _left_. If it weren't for that last bit, you can get a similar effect simply with two delays configured in stereo, with different feedback settings (one channel dies away faster, and the sound "moves" to the other side); however, that effect is much less dramatic. It's also not like the sound of Mosaic A, where the echoes are glued to the location of a panner controlled by an LFO; each note sounded makes this progression independently. [It may be that this effect is trivially creatable with the Vortex, and I just happened to find it as part of Atmosphere B; however, I was not able to construct it in any other algorithms, although I didn't try very hard.] The upshot of this is that with the "use a delay to simulate sustain", you get a note which starts at the center of the stereo field, then slowly moves one way and then the other. Put the mono looper back in front of that, and you get an effect indistinguishable from what you would feeding that same patch into a true stereo looper, and you get a very interesting (and continuously shifting) stereo field, as opposed to the "subtle fixed" chorusy sounds or the "dramatically shifting" panning sounds. Anybody got any other tips or tidbits for putting Vortex post-JamMan, or in general applying stereo effects to mono loops? Sean Barrett (of course two echoplexen is the right way to stereo loop, but I can't really justify such a purchase solely to get stereo looping; although I suspect there's at least one in my future) From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 02:04:52 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 21:14:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJswv-0004ph-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:14:45 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971011041013.006bb518@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:10:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? Resent-Message-ID: <"7jg0xD.A.BNE.ewvP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/768 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:14:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 932e522aa43448de10275f8cfc250911 Alright, all you gear-knowledgable people. I'm about ready to buy a looping toy and further twist my personality. I want to know how I can selectively, with one looping device, 1) loop guitar, 2) loop vocal, and 3) both. I assume I can run both from my mixer, or use an A/B box to choose one or the other. Is there a box (commercially or that I can make) that allows me to switch between the THREE options noted above? Thanks for all the info so far. I'm impressed with you. Oh, when will the new software start being shipped with EPs from Oberheim? Grover From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 02:04:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 10 21:31:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJtD3-00060E-00; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:31:25 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971011043533.008e960c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:35:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? Resent-Message-ID: <"RnKHm.A.3SF.gAwP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/769 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:31:25 -0700 X-UIDL: f52a971d5e3265139a06764e443c0f72 At 11:10 PM 10/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >Alright, all you gear-knowledgable people. I'm about ready to buy a looping >toy and further twist my personality. I want to know how I can selectively, >with one looping device, > 1) loop guitar, 2) loop vocal, and 3) both. > >I assume I can run both from my mixer, or use an A/B box to choose one or >the other. Is there a box (commercially or that I can make) that allows me >to switch between the THREE options noted above? I assume there is some reason why you can't just use the output of the mixer directly into the looping device? Or an auxillary out? Or did you want some separate switching device to make it easy to switch while performing? That would be a very simple device, easy to make. I'm sure there are commercial devices like that as well, but I don't really know what's out there for that. >Thanks for all the info so far. I'm impressed with you. Oh, when will the >new software start being shipped with EPs from Oberheim? Echoplexes shipping now have the new software. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 02:04:59 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 01:58:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJxNm-0000Bo-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:58:46 -0700 Message-ID: <343F5A5E.1D@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:52:15 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zH_IhD.A.AB.g8zP0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/770 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:58:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 11db9d986df4b1a753f98f3b04bb3931 Paolo said: " One trick I've always wanted to try with a vocoder or similar effect is to use it in conjuction with an Ebow" AH this man should be awarded a king of gold medal for his ideas. Did anyone try? Like with a SE-70, or another vocoder? From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 17:02:32 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 04:44:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xJzyc-0004oc-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 04:44:58 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:48:15 +0200 Message-ID: <19971011114813703.AAA212@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"AvdNgD.A.3VE.uX2P0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/771 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 04:44:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 73810fe5322299f2db338730ffcf6b90 Hi all I'd like to know where can I find in N.Y. a new, upgraded Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro with pedalboard. Any store reccomended? Info on line about disponibility? I can search on the web if you give me the store names. This is because I've got a friend of mine in N.Y. during the next week who could buy the unit for me... Any suggestions? Please help me AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. thanks in advance Leo From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 17:02:37 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 07:52:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xK2uN-0003QT-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:52:47 -0700 From: Marc Lawrence Roche Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:40:21 -0700 Message-ID: <01bcd653$9a6262e0$212981d0@govinda.cyber-dyne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-vSJ3D.A.U-C.CG5P0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/772 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:52:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ff883a602faa540332ba2e885fac548 8th St music in Phil will give you the best price. get in line.....ciao -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 4:42 AM Subject: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST > Hi all > >I'd like to know where can I find in N.Y. a new, upgraded Oberheim Echoplex >Digital Pro with pedalboard. Any store reccomended? Info on line about >disponibility? I can search on the web if you give me the store names. >This is because I've got a friend of mine in N.Y. during the next week who >could buy the unit for me... >Any suggestions? Please help me AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. > >thanks in advance >Leo > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 17:02:38 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 09:13:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xK4A9-0006vH-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:13:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:07:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <971011120709_1333627494@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? Resent-Message-ID: <"KfyqvD.A.OFG.tR6P0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/773 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:13:09 -0700 X-UIDL: e7d3cf279bc7878be2987a640f29383a I don't know if it would do a good job, but could you use the Ernie Ball panning volume pedal as an A/B mixer while it's in "pan" mode? That way you could mix the levels of A and B in any configuration you want. The sweep of the mix might sound awkward, but then again maybe not. ? Anyone tried this? In a message dated 97-10-11 02:42:37 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? Date: 97-10-11 02:42:37 EDT From: gls@mindspring.com (Grover Sheffield) Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Alright, all you gear-knowledgable people. I'm about ready to buy a looping toy and further twist my personality. I want to know how I can selectively, with one looping device, 1) loop guitar, 2) loop vocal, and 3) both. I assume I can run both from my mixer, or use an A/B box to choose one or the other. Is there a box (commercially or that I can make) that allows me to switch between the THREE options noted above? Thanks for all the info so far. I'm impressed with you. Oh, when will the new software start being shipped with EPs from Oberheim? Grover >> From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 17:02:41 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 10:27:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xK5K7-0003cb-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? In-Reply-To: <971011120709_1333627494@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5i7tc.A.TGD.iY7P0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/774 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:27:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 6f3de9d5430dc8790394102e4389f7c5 > Alright, all you gear-knowledgable people. I'm about ready to buy a looping > toy and further twist my personality. I want to know how I can selectively, > with one looping device, > 1) loop guitar, 2) loop vocal, and 3) both. > > I assume I can run both from my mixer, or use an A/B box to choose one or > the other. Is there a box (commercially or that I can make) that allows me > to switch between the THREE options noted above? Morley makes a couple of pedals along these lines; the one I use has one input/output jack, an A jack, and a B jack. You can select between A alone, B alone, or A and B combined. I use it live when I'm running two amps at once to switch between a "normal" unprocessed guitar sound and my looped stereo rig, by plugging my guitar into the in/out jack and running each of the A and B jacks to one of the amps. But there's no reason you couldn't invert the formula, i.e. plug a mike into A, a guitar into B, and then send the in/out jack signal into your looper. It's a pretty good piece of gear, and retails for about $40 bucks. It can be run both with or without a battery (the former option drives LEDs which tell you what channels are engaged). --Andre From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 17:02:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 11:59:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xK6l5-00007y-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:59:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971011145303_1177307584@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: stereoizing mono loop with vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"6QWEZD.A.uFH.mt8P0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/775 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:59:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 7cbe799e74e24c66b40bcf8502c58a12 Sean: Congratulations on your new Vortex...quite simply the most amazing box of mind boggling space innerds ever devised by deviants in any laboratory. The LoOpDoctOrs must quibble with your assessment that... (of course two echoplexen is the right way to stereo loop, but I can't really justify such a purchase solely to get stereo looping; although I suspect there's at least one in my future) There is no "right" way. We like the twisted, tortured, jerryrigged approach to creativity and your post about the accidents that came about as you massaged your Vortex is a paen to the monstrous fertility that comes when you do your corn rituals and sacrifice to the aural god known as VORTEX. We would not presume to instruct anyone on how to get the "right way" going as far as stereo fields, however the LoOpdoctOrs will venture that one of the more truly "sick" and interesting patches as far as panning and ponging and bonging is the DUO "click" on the Vortex dial. Try fooling with Duo and do get an expression pedal so you can toesy-morph between this and some of your other stereo pans. Incidentally, we really appreicate your understanding that "stereo" isn't about "left and right" but really about depth of field...like the old "stereographic" viewers the LoOpdoctOrs used to waste hours of time with as children. What true stereo means is three dimensionality and your idea of notes playing hide and seek across a sound field simply means that you are one multi-dimensional looping hombre. We salute you! Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sat Oct 11 17:02:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 11:59:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xK6l8-00008N-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:59:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: 'Loopers-Delight' Subject: Is Mr. Torn on this list?? Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:56:17 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f5651B.A.aMH.Jv8P0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/776 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:59:30 -0700 X-UIDL: dac9f850803c79a1e4561a9debbe773f Hi there! I'm new to this list ... here's a little descript. of me ... The main thing about what I do is freedom and evolution. It's about caching a feeling and responding to that and what's happening now. I don't consider beat, key and structure to be important for music. I do however consider noise, feedback, surprice and interaction as very eccential. I'm at the moment working on a homepage as a tribute to David Torn, I however will not make it available before he says go. My first Q is simple: Is Mr. Torn on this list?? Yes, I know that I'm pretty straighforward, but I really would like to know! And yes, I do hope to get a reply from the man himself! Mr. Torn changed my life even before I heard his music. This is only the takeoff ... there is something else that I want to ask you, Mr. Torn ... if I ever hear from you. Stefan Hansen Denmark From ???@??? Sun Oct 12 04:33:47 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 19:21:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKDej-000536-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:21:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:16:47 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199710120216.AA21331@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: stereoizing mono loop with vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"hyO7KC.A.WcE.PMDQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/777 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:21:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d458da62c17c042eca9c2793eea2625 Speaking of Vortex (and going off tangent from looping): This reminds me; does anyone know of any good web resources for the Vortex? As was noted here before, Andy Butler's page seems to have gone away. I don't know what was on it to know what I'm missing. Searching with search engines turns up hundreds of pages, most of which are actually just mailing list digests and out-of-date for sale lists; my attempts to narrow the search down further never produced anything interesting. In terms of _other_ info about Vortex: I'm currently producing a list of manual addenda, and if anyone else has any, I'll be glad to put them all together in a document. At the moment, the list is very short (how long it will grow will depend mainly on how many other bugs I find): at least on my Vortex (this _could_ be a problem with all, or it might be just mine, I'm not sure which is more likely), mono output is achieved through hooking the left output, not the right as is asserted in the manual and the back of the unit. (This could just mean my outputs are reversed... I haven't verified the actual L vs. R routing. Is it possible that this is actually just grabbing the "phones" output and Y-ing them together? At a minimum, I definitely claim that using the right output alone does _not_ result in both L & R channels mixed together, at least on mine. Those of you using it in mono might want to check yours out and see if you've been missing anything.) In Mosaic B, the manual indicates that Echo 1 is connected directly to an output (after going through Echo FX Level). I discovered that it is actually routed through Mod FX Level on the way to the output (but not on the way to the next echo). (This seems likely to be a software bug rather than a manual bug, since it doesn't really make any sense configured this way.) I will probably be making an exhaustive sweep though all of the algorithms during the next few weeks, checking for further errors of this sort (well, actually, that's not the main goal, but I might as well check, since I'll be doing it--and I really need to know this, because I do a lot of "I want an effect that's wired up like this" and then go hunting through the manual for one, so when it's not wired up right it takes me a while to figure out why it's not doing the right thing). Hey, but don't take this as a slam against the Vortex. It's very hard to write software that's completely bug free. And the Vortex does lots of things right. It always bugs me in other effects boxes that the designer has limited the range of the parameters to values thought to be "musically useful". I often used to turn one of the two knobs on my Boss chorus pedal up all the way, and think "I could still use more", and I still remember the day I actually turned both knobs up to full to record a guitar track (creating a very pleasant vibratoy tremolo effect that sat well in that particular mix), when I once had never thought it would be reasonable. The Vortex's LFO rates are a good example of this (ignoring their use as ring mod sources). In general, the extremal values in Vortex parameters seem--well, extremal, which is great, since it covers the difference between the designer's opinion of musiciality and mine (or else it means the designer had a ludicrous definition of musicality and should be shot, but I digress). If I could fix one thing about the Vortex, I don't think it would be MIDI, or front panel controls, or more slots to save programs in. I think I'd like Envelope to effectively range from -64..64... technically, make it 0..63, but make 32 be "no envelope effect", 63 be the same as it is now, and 0 be "envelope has full effect in the 'reverse'" sense. I'm a big fan of orthogonality. Maybe it would turn out all of these settings would be useless, but I'd like to try a "reverse ducking echo"--i.e. an echo that got quieter as I played quieter and louder as I played louder. I'd like to be able to make my panning speed up as I play louder, instead of the reverse. Etc. Oops, end rant mode. Nobody's going to change the Vortex, and nobody's going to make a new one, so not much point in saying what I'd change. Besides, it's a lovely box. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Sun Oct 12 04:33:49 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 11 20:09:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKEPk-0007Ve-00; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:09:56 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:11:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? Resent-Message-ID: <"iCFU.A.u1G.h6DQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/778 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:09:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d9434685e9124e4eb04d7cc0e26b5eb >Alright, all you gear-knowledgable people. I'm about ready to buy a looping >toy and further twist my personality. I want to know how I can selectively, >with one looping device, > 1) loop guitar, 2) loop vocal, and 3) both. > >I assume I can run both from my mixer, or use an A/B box to choose one or >the other. Is there a box (commercially or that I can make) that allows me >to switch between the THREE options noted above? > >Thanks for all the info so far. I'm impressed with you. Oh, when will the >new software start being shipped with EPs from Oberheim? > You can do this with a JamMan without any extra equipment. The JamMan has stereo ins & outs, but only loops in mono, summing both channel inputs when it loops. This "feature" has been endlessly criticized on this list. But you could plug your guitar into one channel, the vocals into the other, then when you loop, you would just capture which ever input had a signal, or both. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Oct 12 04:34:01 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 12 02:18:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKK9v-0006Cj-00; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 02:17:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3528.199710120912@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 10:12:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: ECHOPLEX SHIPPING TO EUROPE Resent-Message-ID: <"wRt15C.A.MpF.oTJQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/779 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 02:17:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c82dd867001b1a9111541801dc7c46f >>Kim: >>>CE totally hosed a lot of small american manufacturers, by the way. Doing >>>the design changes, getting EMI tests, managing the paperwork, etc. was too >>>expensive, so a lot of them had to stop selling in europe. >> >>Serves ya right for making substandard gear! Ha! > >It wasn't substandard when we designed it, just after you guys changed the >laws! Got to keep you on your toes, heh heh. >I mean, jeez. If the music is good, who cares if it stops a pacemaker or >two? :-) Hey, that's what the music's for! >>> That's why synths in europe cost way more than in the US now. >>Nah, that's just taxes and stuff. Strats cost more here than there. Going >>strat price is over $1000 right now. >Strats have to pass CE too! At Gibson, we were actually scanning Les Pauls >for EMI problems. It was crazy. Bloody hell... OK, but gtrs etc were stupid prices even before CE.... Michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 12 19:29:19 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 12 17:19:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKYEU-0002hI-00; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:19:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 14:37:37 UT From: "Pete Gilbert" Message-Id: To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: first public loop Resent-Message-ID: <"ls3teC.A.oQC.mgWQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/781 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:19:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 3133e701b8463edce8442001a3d1a77a well, I performed my first "solo loop" before real people (rather than a music store demo) on Friday night. I have looped in performance before, as accompaniment, but this was the first solo. We were scheduled to play for two hours at the Borders in Ann Arbor, and as our set is only an hour long, we decided to fill things out by adding solos at various points. I decided to perform Seascape from the MST CD. I think that it went well ... I explained to the audience what I was going to do which they seemed to enjoy. I quickly got into "head down and focused on the task" mode, which meant that I didn't get to really see the response. There were still people sitting out there and a bit of applause as I faded the loop and we moved into the next part of the set, so I hadn't emptied the place :-) The piece mixes somewhat straight Stick Melody end with synth textures from the GR09 and bass synth textures from the ME8B and stick melody end processed through the SGX2k and H3k. OK. so it was only 5 or ten minutes long, but I liked it! thanks for reading....Pete Gilbert From ???@??? Sun Oct 12 19:29:11 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 12 15:47:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKWnD-0006fc-00; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:47:23 -0700 Posted-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:42:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971012234218.0072c984@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:42:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST In-Reply-To: <01bcd653$9a6262e0$212981d0@govinda.cyber-dyne.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"rxXmVD.A.C6F.OJVQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/780 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:47:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a1d0a785376161a0ce210f7fbd5084a >8th St music in Phil will give you the best price. get in line.....ciao >-----Original Message----- >From: Leonardo Cavallo >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 4:42 AM >Subject: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST > > >> Hi all >> >>I'd like to know where can I find in N.Y. a new, upgraded Oberheim Echoplex >>Digital Pro with pedalboard. Any store reccomended? Info on line about >>disponibility? I can search on the web if you give me the store names. >>This is because I've got a friend of mine in N.Y. during the next week who >>could buy the unit for me... >>Any suggestions? Please help me AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> >>thanks in advance >>Leo Does this mean that new Echoplexes are available again in the USA? Erik (Norway) From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 09:48:08 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 12 21:30:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKc8J-0002xS-00; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:29:31 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: Re: first public loop Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 00:10:43 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"rmJ9rB.A.OF.z3ZQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/782 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:29:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 371a9ce90ab5cd38b3c75dc6a1af0d77 Pete, I liked it too. (so did the audience - I wasn't into "head down and focused on the task" mode) Phil From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 09:48:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 03:48:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKi2t-0002X8-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:48:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: first public loop Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:42:49 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YMjcMD.A.nIC.tsfQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/783 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:48:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 300011a1f7167d255d65a3a6db60222e Hi Pete! I'm new to this list ... I just want to tell you that I would have loved to be there, but ... well, I'm from Denmark! I'm living in a small town and I know how it is with people who don't understand ones art. Have fun ... Stefan. From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:55:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 10:13:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKo3R-0006mp-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:13:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199710131624.JAA18520@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: looping vocals, guitar or both? Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:28:14 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"13xfE.A.H-F.LWlQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/786 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:13:17 -0700 X-UIDL: dae6514c8392a7f07f4f273146c40dd6 Before I got a mixer, I used to use a setup like this, and it works great as long as you remember not to switch between the the inputs while the record function is active, otherwise you end up with a "popping" sound in the loop. Travis Hartnett >Morley makes a couple of pedals along these lines; the one I use has one >input/output jack, an A jack, and a B jack. You can select between A >alone, B alone, or A and B combined. I use it live when I'm running two >amps at once to switch between a "normal" unprocessed guitar sound and my >looped stereo rig, by plugging my guitar into the in/out jack and running >each of the A and B jacks to one of the amps. But there's no reason you >couldn't invert the formula, i.e. plug a mike into A, a guitar into B, >and then send the in/out jack signal into your looper. From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 09:48:17 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 05:59:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKk62-0006xk-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:59:42 -0700 Message-Id: <97Oct13.075716cdt.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:54:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Om9RPC.A.aQG.eohQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/784 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:59:42 -0700 X-UIDL: e82c072db82eb48cf8e167356120cc6f Not quite yet...stay tuned, we have our top people on it! Tom @ Oberheim At 05:42 PM 10/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >>8th St music in Phil will give you the best price. get in line.....ciao >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Leonardo Cavallo >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 4:42 AM >>Subject: URGENT!! HELP REQUEST >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>>I'd like to know where can I find in N.Y. a new, upgraded Oberheim Echoplex >>>Digital Pro with pedalboard. Any store reccomended? Info on line about >>>disponibility? I can search on the web if you give me the store names. >>>This is because I've got a friend of mine in N.Y. during the next week who >>>could buy the unit for me... >>>Any suggestions? Please help me AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >>> >>>thanks in advance >>>Leo > >Does this mean that new Echoplexes are available again in the USA? >Erik (Norway) > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 09:48:29 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 09:24:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKnHu-0002pu-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 13 Oct 1997 10:39:37 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS:Vortex $180 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"rDciMC.A.3FC.lmkQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/785 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:24:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 539bd5f748beb6e93d3f55b3cdc44273 >from Harmony Central: FS: Lexicon Vortex CHEAP Asking Price: US$180 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Vortex Morphing FX processor No AC adapter (takes standard 9V, 1 Amp adapter, readily found in any Radio Shack) One corner of rack ears broken, so it'll only screw in with 3 screws instead of 4 Otherwise, excellent+ condition $180 + shipping Located in Philadelphia ***Remove NOSPAM to reply*** Seller: Gary Philips, E-mail: prana@voicenet.com Location: PHILADELPHIA, PA Post Date: 10/12/97 From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:55:49 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 13:26:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKr4R-0000xT-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:26:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Oberheim Echoplex available in Southern California Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"vJE1kC.A.WK.8IoQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/787 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:26:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 36975c58d7f980d1ebd0fd05c8875b52 A store in Westminster, CA (Orange County) has a demo Oberheim Echoplex for sale. They'll be offering it for $399 at their Swap Meet on October 18th and 19th. I called ahead and was told that the unit would not be put on sale before that time, but I wouldn't be surprised if they'd sell it for retail to someone before the sale if an interested party came along (I saw a unit on the showroom floor when I was there over a year ago, and it's entirely possible that this is the same one). My first inclination was to show up at the door of the place on the morning of the 18th, but right now I can't afford the unit, so hopefully one of you out there can snatch the thing up. The store is called Music to the Maxx; they're located at 14200 Beach Blvd. in Westminster, and the # is (714) 379-1994. Good luck. --Andre From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:56:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 16:01:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKtUi-0006g9-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:01:48 -0700 Posted-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:55:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971013235503.00746f78@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:55:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zMv61C.A.IqF.WbqQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/788 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:01:48 -0700 X-UIDL: b944b73d65301d7f6826d1a9faa954c6 As I can't afford both, I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me compose a rig for looping guitars that: A) Sound good for playing electric guitar in a straightforward manner, and B) is able to amplify my HEAVILY treated, synth-like guitar signals. Everything has to be in stereo, by the way. I currently use a Rocktron Voodo Valve tube driven pre-amp (with a speaker simulator & digital effects that I usually bypass) and a Roctron Velocity power amp. I've tried this setup with different speakers made for guitars, and the problem is that it wont really convert the frequencies not in the guitar domain into sound. Are there any ok sounding speakers made for guitars on the market that will do this? Or do I have to run my pre-amp w/speaker simulator into a mixer in order to obtain B). What equipment should I consider in the latter case? What I'm looking for, I guess, is a solution that gives the best compromise between A) and B). I'd really, really appreciate any feedback and advice you could give on this. If you think this is a bit off topic, please feel free to e-mail me privatly. Thanks Also, someone mentioned that using e-bowed guitars with a vocoder might be a good idea. I have tried this, replacing the synth with guitar signals, and it works ok if the signal is really thick and wide. Try placing the vocoder after a loop with lots of (processed) layers. It gives the vocoder a better signal to work with. Again, thanks. Erik Ljones (Norway) From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:56:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 17:14:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKuca-00055j-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:14:00 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971013235503.00746f78@pop.stud.ntnu.no> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:09:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA Resent-Message-ID: <"oWoYZC.A.JFE.lerQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/789 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:14:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 74224965f9fcaba3aec77ca0aeceeaed Erik, I have experienced this problem also. Unfortunately, the best solution I found was using two sets of speakers. I use a Boogie 50/50 tube amp powering 2 1x12" cabinets, w/ Celestion Greenbacks for my guitar sounds (and loops) and I use a full-range amp/speaker setup (currently using home stereo equipment for this) for non-guitar sounds and loops, as well as heavily processed guitar sounds (eg. Vortex). Of course, the problem with this is that it is expensive, both in terms of having to have 2 separate amp/speaker setups, a 4-buss mixer, as well as needing multiple looping devices (since I dedicate a looping device for either guitar or non-guitar sounds). But it is the best sounding setup I have found. (My brother uses a similar setup, as well). I suppose the next best option is to just use full-range speakers, either a PA speaker (2 or 3-way), or, if you just have 1x12" cabinets, try a EV 200 watt. These will give you the bass frequencies you are looking for, but you really need something with a mid-range and/or tweeter to get the detail of the higher frequencies. Also, you would not get that "guitar character" from speaker breakup, if that's what you're looking for (I am -- and those greenbacks do it for me!....think: Jimmy Page's lead on Tea For One), but perhaps you can use your Rocktron effects to simulate a tube amp/speaker combination. How does your guitar setup sound, when listening through headphones? If you like that, then full-range PA speakers should do it for you. If you're a purist, though, you may want to bail on the full-range, and go for the tone and dynamics of a guitar speaker, which cannot be matched by a PA speaker. You need to decide where you want to compromise. Good luck! Cheers, Chris >As I can't afford both, I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me >compose a rig for looping guitars that: >A) Sound good for playing electric guitar in a straightforward manner, and >B) is able to amplify my HEAVILY treated, synth-like guitar signals. >Everything has to be in stereo, by the way. > >I currently use a Rocktron Voodo Valve tube driven pre-amp (with a speaker >simulator & digital effects that I usually bypass) and a Roctron Velocity >power amp. I've tried this setup with different speakers made for guitars, >and the problem is that it wont really convert the frequencies not in the >guitar domain into sound. Are there any ok sounding speakers made for >guitars on the market that will do this? Or do I have to run my pre-amp >w/speaker simulator into a mixer in order to obtain B). What equipment >should I consider in the latter case? >What I'm looking for, I guess, is a solution that gives the best compromise >between A) and B). I'd really, really appreciate any feedback and advice >you could give on this. If you think this is a bit off topic, please feel >free to e-mail me privatly. Thanks > >Also, someone mentioned that using e-bowed guitars with a vocoder might be >a good idea. I have tried this, replacing the synth with guitar signals, >and it works ok if the signal is really thick and wide. Try placing the >vocoder after a loop with lots of (processed) layers. It gives the vocoder >a better signal to work with. Again, thanks. > >Erik Ljones (Norway) > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:56:18 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 17:46:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKv7Y-0000bC-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:46:00 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC36D1EB@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:23:37 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.27) Resent-Message-ID: <"HDrSMD.A.cIH.I8rQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/790 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:46:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 64f082911ef6b1ffb5d7a7570a5677a3 I'm running my guitar through a Mesa VTwin pedal into my looping gear and finally into a Roland K500 keyboard amp. My setup isn't stereo but could easily be made stereo (just throw on another amp). For straight guitar (with Mesa) this setup works pretty well, but you wouldn't mistake it for a real guitar amp. If your straight guitar work runs more towards rock than jazz, you probably won't be satisfied with anything short of an actual guitar amp. For more melodic applications, however, I think I prefer my setup, it has a sweetness and a clarity that guitar amps don't. > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Ljones [SMTP:eriklj@stud.ntnu.no] > Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 4:02 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA > > As I can't afford both, I'd really appreciate it if someone could help > me > compose a rig for looping guitars that: > A) Sound good for playing electric guitar in a straightforward manner, > and > B) is able to amplify my HEAVILY treated, synth-like guitar signals. > Everything has to be in stereo, by the way. > > I currently use a Rocktron Voodo Valve tube driven pre-amp (with a > speaker > simulator & digital effects that I usually bypass) and a Roctron > Velocity > power amp. I've tried this setup with different speakers made for > guitars, > and the problem is that it wont really convert the frequencies not in > the > guitar domain into sound. Are there any ok sounding speakers made for > guitars on the market that will do this? Or do I have to run my > pre-amp > w/speaker simulator into a mixer in order to obtain B). What equipment > should I consider in the latter case? > What I'm looking for, I guess, is a solution that gives the best > compromise > between A) and B). I'd really, really appreciate any feedback and > advice > you could give on this. If you think this is a bit off topic, please > feel > free to e-mail me privatly. Thanks > > Also, someone mentioned that using e-bowed guitars with a vocoder > might be > a good idea. I have tried this, replacing the synth with guitar > signals, > and it works ok if the signal is really thick and wide. Try placing > the > vocoder after a loop with lots of (processed) layers. It gives the > vocoder > a better signal to work with. Again, thanks. > > Erik Ljones (Norway) > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:56:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 19:54:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKx7t-0001lZ-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:54:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971013224539_-58683968@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA Resent-Message-ID: <"Ux9iu.A.MQB.12tQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/791 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:54:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 6a7fa33375cae6eadb06c6c91d9abdcb Try an ADA Ampulator if you're running into a PA. It's a box that emulated not only a mic'd cabinet, but power tubes of various orders, and disorders, doing different amp things... The LoOpDoctOrs like it. We got the idea from David Torn. The only thing we Don't like about it, is it's mono, but if you run it before a Vortex, you can turn it stereo. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 23:56:26 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 13 19:58:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xKxBR-00024k-00; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:58:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971013224848_1066000450@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hasn't anyone heard of the ADA Ampulator Resent-Message-ID: <"T6hg1C.A.bbB.J5tQ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/792 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:58:09 -0700 X-UIDL: f83d49f3c839c3fd1f5a093f441b895e Toma said... "I'm running my guitar through a Mesa VTwin pedal into my looping gear and finally into a Roland K500 keyboard amp. My setup isn't stereo but could easily be made stereo (just throw on another amp). For straight guitar (with Mesa) this setup works pretty well, but you wouldn't mistake it for a real guitar amp. If your straight guitar work runs more towards rock than jazz, you probably won't be satisfied with anything short of an actual guitar amp. For more melodic applications, however, I think I prefer my setup, it has a sweetness and a clarity that guitar amps don't. " We agree...nothing like whacko power tubes and transformers for good ol' rock tone...but we are impressed by the magic tricks of the ADA ampulator. Does a good job of sounding and "feeling" like a runaway guitar amp...and get this, you can adjust mic'd positions, tube bias, cabinet loads, and "classes" of amps. It's quite an interesting beast. Only drawback is thatit's Mono...but just put it in front of a Vortex and you're off... Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 09:54:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 04:51:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xL5VK-0003PI-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:51:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: Vortex Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:55:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-Id: <19971014125422.045782e4.in@mail.korg.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"yTB7KB.A.F-C.ru1Q0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/795 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:51:14 -0700 X-UIDL: c9c073784b5c262f0db9992fe8625ac2 Yes yes yes yes... Will you ship to Italy? I want it!!!! BTW, thank you for any reply... CIAO from Stefano - The Looping Uncle ;) -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Bruce Gerow A: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Data: martedl 14 ottobre 1997 13.59 Oggetto: FS: Vortex >Hi Loopers, > Vortex has power supply,manual,footswitch,original box.Only thing missing >is the footswitch cord (standard 1/4" tip,ring,sleeve).Price is $265.plus >shipping from Oneida,NY.I'm posting to the Looper list a day ahead of the >net .It goes to the first person who says to ship it. > Thanks, > LooseBruce > > From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 09:54:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 04:27:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xL58H-0002ID-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:27:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199710141123.EAA17285@saturn.psn.net> From: "That's MISTER Johnson to you, bucko" To: Subject: Re: Vortex Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:26:35 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pw0fcB.A.44B.mY1Q0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/794 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:27:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 8966063c79740ceaafe8ee365f69aec6 I'm interested. Let me know, strangely, we are both selling stuff at the same time. If the guy buys my Warr Raptor like I think he is, I'll take it right now. How do you want the payment? Tom Johnson tappy@usa.net stick@psn.net 6+6 Maple Warr Raptor ************************************************************** "This is America, and you are entitled to think what we want you to." --Bill Hicks ---------- > From: Bruce Gerow > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: FS: Vortex > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 5:51 AM > > Hi Loopers, > Vortex has power supply,manual,footswitch,original box.Only thing missing > is the footswitch cord (standard 1/4" tip,ring,sleeve).Price is $265.plus > shipping from Oneida,NY.I'm posting to the Looper list a day ahead of the > net .It goes to the first person who says to ship it. > Thanks, > LooseBruce > From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 09:54:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 05:52:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xL6T3-0006Fp-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:52:57 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29135047@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: JamMan sync misconceptions. Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:44:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29135047@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCD87D.7125B720" Resent-Message-ID: <"Qmy0DD.A.FfF.jn2Q0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/796 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:52:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 33a2b87b11d3c3d11bb7bd93acbedf06 As stated, the JamMan echos everything except MIDI clock to its output. The MIDI clock output by JamMan is it's internally generated one. JamMan's internally generated MIDI clock is locked to the MIDI clock it is receiving after the first loop is initialized. MIDI clock is output from JamMan before the first loop is initialized but it is referenced to the previous loop the system was set for so it is invalid. In retrospect, it would have been better to just echo the incoming MIDI clock when in slave mode but this is not the case. In subsequent prototype ROMs, I actually disable MIDI clock output until it is valid but it may in fact be better to echo it in the slave situation. One of the problems with doing this is priority scheme of the system software. Audio, generated and incoming MIDI clocks are the highest priority in the system so there can be some lag in "echo'd" MIDI data. Though the JamMan's output is not switchable (thru/out), there is a toggle buried in the diagnostics that allows all MIDI clock generation to be disabled. The following app note describes the operation: ================================================== Lexicon Jamman - Disable MIDI Clock IN by Bob Sellon (System Programmer) This app note was written to allow people to use a special feature in the released software that was not documented in the Users manual due to its implementation late in the project. While ease of use was one of the primary design parameters of the Jamman, we found that this noble cause can sometimes result in limited functionality. Design trade offs are always made but there were some features that just have to be included at all costs. When a system is being designed new applications always turn up at the last minute and you are faced with either leaving them out or crossing your fingers and adding them in late in the game. The subject of this app note is just such a feature. One group of features that we were able to squeeze into the product was a fairly moderate MIDI implementation but with excellent MIDI clock accuracy. Most of the major aspects of the system's operation can be controlled via MIDI program change messages. Our original intention for this was to allow people to use their MIDI foot controllers to control JamMan. The application we under estimated was the use of a MIDI sequencer with JamMan. There were two interesting aspects of using a sequencer with Jamman. First, the sequencer can be preprogram with a fairly sophesticated sequence of commands making it's use in live performance automatic and painless, and second, you can add sequenced music to your live loops. While both of these appications can be done without the special feature, they can be limited by the sequencer itself. If you are content to let the seuencer set the tempo of your performance, you simply connect the MIDI OUT of the sequencer to Jamman's MIDI IN as follows: Sequencer ----------------> JamMan MIDI in Jamman automatically detects the incoming MIDI clock from the sequencer (assuming it has been enabled in the sequencer) and attempts to lock to it. The problem shows up if you want to tap the tempo in in real-time but still use the sequencer to control the Jamman. An example would be letting sequencer drop in and out of layer mode or initialize subsequent loops. Again, this can be done without the special feature but you will be forced to use the sequencer's tempo if the sequencer cannot disable it output of MIDI clock. The special feature allows you to disable the input of MIDI clock to Jamman while still recognizing the control commands. To set the system up to allow the tempo to be set in real-time, the MIDI output from JamMan must be connected to the MIDI input of the sequencer and the sequencer must be set to derive it's sync externally. |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | ----> Sequencer ----------------> JamMan --->------| MIDI in MIDI out (sorry about the diagrams) The problem is that as soon as JamMan detects a MIDI clock at it's input, it automatically locks to it. If JamMan is slaved to the sequencer and the sequencer is slaved to JamMan, who is master? (Obviously the great god Zarquot.) This is where the spiffy "MIDI Clock In Disable" feature comes to the rescue. Included in the Jamman software is a set of diagnostics which are typically used by service technicians. Along with the diagnostic tests, however, there is a utility for changing the MIDI channel to which the system will respond as well as tool to disable the systems response to incoming MIDI clocks. To enter diagnostics, press and hold the RESET/BYPASS and FUNCTION buttons while the system is powering up. The letter 'd' will appear on the display indicating that you have entered the diagnostics. Turn the right hand front panel encoder until the number 12 appears on the display then press the RESET/BYPASS button. This brings you to a special diagnostic tool that outputs a very fast MIDI clock for troubleshooting MIDI problems. If you press the FUNCTION button, however, the MIDI clock input will be disabled. Press RESET/BYPASS a second time then turn the encoder to 9 and press RESET/BYPASS one final time to exit diagnostics and run the normal software. Yes, this is ugly as sin which is one of the reasons it has not shown up in any application notes so far. But if you are hard core, you just might find it useful. One additional down side to this feature and to the setting of the MIDI channel is that they must be set each time the Jamman is power cycled. If the sequencer can optionally disable its output of MIDI clock and also slave to MIDI clock, the setup step can be avoided all together. Simply use MIDI channel 1 (Jamman's default) on the sequencer for Jamman data only and set the sequencer to sync to external MIDI clock with MIDI clock out disabled. With MIDI clock IN disabled, the sequencer and JamMan can be connected as shown above but JamMan will ignore the MIDI clocks being output by the sequencer and still recognize all of the control commands. With this setup the operator simply TAPs in the first loop and a whole series of complex commands can be programmed into the sequencer with no additional operator intervention except to play their perspective instrument. The things that can be done with this setup are amazing. New loops can be initialized, LAYERING enabled, loops muted, etc... Commands from a MIDI foot controller can even be recorded into a sequencer in real-time using the following setup: |----------------<-----MIDI Foot Controller<---------------| | ----> Sequencer ----------------> JamMan -----------| MIDI in MIDI out The only requirement is that the foot controller passes MIDI clock through. The Lake Butler Mitigator and the ART foot pedals were found to work very well for control but tended to be a bit sluggish for setting the tempo because of the rubber around the buttons. ===================================================== Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Robert S. Carter[SMTP:rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu] > Reply To: rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu > Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:16 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: JamMan sync misconceptions. > > Steven Dubofsky wrote: > > > > > Are you sure the JMs out isn't a switchable thru/out? A lot of gear > that > > skimps on the midi connectors use this configuration including Boss > abd > > Alesis multi effctors. > > > > > The JamMan MIDI out in fact does act as a MIDI through and echoes all > info EXCEPT (according to the manual and in my experience) MIDI clock. > It would obviously be great if it did echo clock as well- whether this > might bne switchable via some esoteric function the the decvice's > utility mode, I dunno- no mention of any sort is made in the manual. > Perhaps our Lexicon buddies can fill us in... > > BOB. > From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 03:26:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 02:57:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xL3jP-00070i-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:57:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199710140951.EAA01804@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: FS: Vortex Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:51:49 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SO3L_C.A.BVG.RC0Q0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/793 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:57:39 -0700 X-UIDL: de6f79bffeab0437aff9154e218acb1d Hi Loopers, Vortex has power supply,manual,footswitch,original box.Only thing missing is the footswitch cord (standard 1/4" tip,ring,sleeve).Price is $265.plus shipping from Oneida,NY.I'm posting to the Looper list a day ahead of the net .It goes to the first person who says to ship it. Thanks, LooseBruce From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 23:42:53 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 12:16:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLCS0-00037m-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3443C2CA.FF3F0CED@publishingresources.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:06:51 -0400 From: michael stevinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: <<<>> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2CFBB1E1B8B7049F2F39926B" Resent-Message-ID: <"sTe7dB.A.GQC.NM8Q0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/797 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:16:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 0107976db62f3daeeb4ed8aeae88017e i've recently acquired a Roland SRE-555 Chorus Echo. it's a great unit, i know how to splice my own tape, and the possibilites with this machine are endless. however, i'm having a hard time getting the most out of the unit. because i am inexperienced in using the SRE-555, i was hoping that some of you out there who have experience using a tape loop could give me some helpful hints, tips, lessons, information, or whatever it is that you know, that goes well beyond what the manuals tell you? this information would be highly valuable and greatly appreciated. Please SEND ALL MESSAGES TO: MIKILLS@AOL.COM, as i am not subscribed to any lists. thanks, MICHAEL Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Michael J. Stevinson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:vcard.vcf (TEXT/R*ch) (0001F24F) From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 23:43:31 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 20:00:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLJh3-0001KK-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:00:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:17:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Another Vortex, reasonable price Resent-Message-ID: <"OJALxB.A.Ts.3ADR0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/799 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:00:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 9aebd15f9325ac6faeb76983f69405ae Just saw this on the news group.... vortex is like new with manuals and footswitch, 180 + shipping. the boss is a rackmount reverb, programmable, midi. some of the "non-linear reverb" sounds hold their own with the vortex's "almost so wierd you can't use them" efx. it is "faux stereo" in that the wet output is mixed, but the dry output remains stereo (like the input). I'm asking 110 + shipping for this, which is also in great shape. thanks, kelly. address kjohn79484@aol.com *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 23:43:23 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 14 17:12:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLH4E-0004DR-00; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:12:02 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F5015@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:07:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"omBN6B.A.xWD.riAR0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/798 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:12:02 -0700 X-UIDL: b9ee0342107e27f830d37633cf18b0ff I like running a fender guitar amp into 15 inch bass speakers. They seem to handle most of the frequencies without that "horn-burn" I hear from some keyboard amps. David >As I can't afford both, I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me >compose a rig for looping guitars that: >A) Sound good for playing electric guitar in a straightforward manner, and >B) is able to amplify my HEAVILY treated, synth-like guitar signals. >Everything has to be in stereo, by the way. > >I currently use a Rocktron Voodo Valve tube driven pre-amp (with a speaker >simulator & digital effects that I usually bypass) and a Roctron Velocity >power amp. I've tried this setup with different speakers made for guitars, >and the problem is that it wont really convert the frequencies not in the >guitar domain into sound. Are there any ok sounding speakers made for >guitars on the market that will do this? Or do I have to run my pre-amp >w/speaker simulator into a mixer in order to obtain B). What equipment >should I consider in the latter case? >What I'm looking for, I guess, is a solution that gives the best compromise >between A) and B). I'd really, really appreciate any feedback and advice >you could give on this. If you think this is a bit off topic, please feel >free to e-mail me privatly. Thanks > >Also, someone mentioned that using e-bowed guitars with a vocoder might be >a good idea. I have tried this, replacing the synth with guitar signals, >and it works ok if the signal is really thick and wide. Try placing the >vocoder after a loop with lots of (processed) layers. It gives the vocoder >a better signal to work with. Again, thanks. > >Erik Ljones (Norway) > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 15 10:36:14 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 15 07:17:19 1997 Received: from one.mind.net [206.99.66.5] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLUGE-00033B-00; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:17:18 -0700 Received: from warren-s-box (ip03.mind.net [206.151.158.9]) by one.mind.net (8.8.5/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA07175 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3444D072.1D8F624F@wsdesigns.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:17:22 -0700 From: Warren Sirota Reply-To: wsirota@wsdesigns.com Organization: WS Designs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Song in RealAudio X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 14520562fbd881b8a1cab15e5c4272e4 Hi all, This message has nothing to do with looping, so please direct all e-mail regarding this personally to me, not to the list. I apologize for the off-topicness of this, but since a lot of you know me and I'm a regular contributor, I didn't think this one short message would be too much of a protocol violation. I have a new political rock song (and Internet grassroots organizing effort) regarding campaign finance reform. It's just been played on 45 NPR affiliates, and is available via RealAudio (right now, it requires a 28.8 modem - more versions will be up soon) at http://www.mind.net/wsirota/themagainstus/. I'd like as many people as possible to hear it, talk about it, etc. So please visit the site if this sort of thing appeals to you. Thanks. -- Yours truly, Warren Sirota musician, programmer, writer http://wsdesigns.com/wsirota From ???@??? Wed Oct 15 10:51:36 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 15 10:38:11 1997 Received: from emout25.mail.aol.com [198.81.11.130] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLXOX-0006Jz-00; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:38:05 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout25.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA28970 for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gabestern@aol.com Message-ID: <971015122354_-527773896@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA X-UIDL: 72e98441b9ca1119bd9c256294a45b10 Status: O X-Status: Well, I've battled through the same territory myself. I ended up with a pretty strange system which includes: A Hafler 250W/channel (can't remember model #)) amp driving 2 EV1803 cabinets (18 inch bass, 8 inch mid, and a horn for highs - the horn can be attenuated) 2 Marshall 50W heads, each driving a 4x10 cabinet. A Crown Powerbase1 (200W/channel) amp driving a pair of jbl 15 in speakers A Phase Linear 400 driving a pair of Bose 901's I use a 2 way Xover and 2 ADA MEQs (midi controlled equalizers) on the way to the amps It gets the job done, but I really need to crank it to get it to sound right. At low volumes it actually sounds better coming through a 50 watt receiver and some AR-1 speakers. From ???@??? Wed Oct 15 21:37:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 15 21:37:23 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLhgK-0000ze-00; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:37:08 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-27-91.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.91] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xLhgK-0004HO-00; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:37:08 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:36:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test? X-UIDL: f39c7e50325b57f9466e003da49ff288 the list has been busted all day, is it working now? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 10:33:44 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 08:33:36 1997 Received: from asint.asisoftware.com [206.84.184.193] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLrvY-0001Lf-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:33:32 -0700 Received: from mark.asisoftware.com ([206.84.184.194]) by asint.asisoftware.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 135-41775U100L2S100) with SMTP id AAA257 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:39:53 -0400 Received: by mark.asisoftware.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDA28.8AF832C0@mark.asisoftware.com>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <01BCDA28.8AF832C0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Demise of MIDI? Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:42:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 646db45983f0aac2f577e0cc8ca8de22 I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest. It mentioned the impending demise of MIDI. Does anyone, especially those of you working in the music industry, know anything about this? How will it impact looping? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 10:33:45 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 08:57:02 1997 Received: from ari.ari.net [198.69.192.1] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLsIG-0003Mk-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:57:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (alevin@localhost) by ari.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA27212 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping @ Space Rock Fest in Baltimore Saturday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: b1ea169f01bf21872929564484460d0b Orion Space Rock Festival Saturday, October 18th 1997 3:00PM Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland The Orion Space Rock Festival will be held on Saturday October 18th at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. This all day festival will feature the top U.S. Space Rock acts performing full sets accompanied by the Solar Fire Light Show. There will be a wide range of space rock styles presented. Everything from loop-based ambient music to full blown intense mind blowing sci-fi rock. Featured performers: o Alien Planetscapes o Architectural Metaphor o Escapade o Quarkspace o Fingerpaint ADMISSION: $25.00 at the door. All ages welcome! OTHER INFO: Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST, email alevin@ari.net, or point your favorite web browser to http://prog.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ Orion Studios is a rehearsal and recording studio located in beautiful southwest Baltimore, Maryland. Orion has 21 rehearsal studios which are rented on a monthly basis, plus a 24 track digital recording studio attached to a showcase room. The show will take place in the Showcase Room. We have no liquor license, so its a BYOB affair. Sodas will be available. There will be a retail area where the bands and other vendors will be selling CDs, tapes, and T-shirts, so bring plenty of cash! Vendors interested in attending should call Orion or email mpotter@stsci.edu about table rentals. ======================================================================== Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 10:33:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 09:38:23 1997 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org [128.29.154.1] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLswH-0007QL-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:38:21 -0700 Received: from azrael.mitre.org (azrael.mitre.org [128.29.82.1]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.8.6/8.8.6/mitre.0) with ESMTP id MAA07766; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dharma.mitre.org (dharma.mitre.org [128.29.82.44]) by azrael.mitre.org (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA03644; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MM58949.mitre.org (seligman-mac.mitre.org [128.29.104.196]) by dharma.mitre.org (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA09331; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971016124408.006ebe3c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:44:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Cc: churwitz@igc.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-UIDL: aa595e3d18d9772178c794a0c96e2161 Hi folks, I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an electric guitar or violin? Thanks, Len Seligman From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 10:33:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 10:15:59 1997 Received: from picasso.artnet.net [207.155.25.11] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLtWe-0003oP-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:15:56 -0700 Received: from [207.155.25.54] (ppp54.artnet.net [207.155.25.54]) by picasso.artnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03952 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:15:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: GR 700 system for sale X-UIDL: f55de7756174b08f8d551cca9ba66793 For sale - Roland GR707, GR505 (red strat w/2 humbuckers) guitars w/cases, GR700 synth, PG200 programmer all original in great shape w/all cables. $800.00 for everthing. Buyer pays shipping. Los Angeles area. Eric efisch@artnet.net (@13)664-5632 From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 15:10:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 15:10:37 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xLy7o-0001SZ-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:10:36 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-6-70.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.70] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xLy7o-0006b4-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:10:36 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:09:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: bd52165a2ac3f7b4bcfbc59f3764c02c The list has been busted by my ISP for the past two days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jan 17 00:17:53 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 16 18:36:07 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xtO6y-0005nG-00; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:35:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971016172505.0079c6a0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:25:05 -0600 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Hello... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GzrgqB.A.7ZE.caBw0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2311 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:35:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a3695431f4c85d750fc96c5f16d812d >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:45:11 -0600 >To: loopers-delight@anihilist.com >From: Goddess >Subject: Hello... > > Hello, I've just joined the looper's delight list earlier this week and have been listening to some the conversation back and forth. Now that I have some time, I wanted to write and just say "hi". I've been involved with looping for at least seven years now and am glad to have been made aware of this list. I think it can be a wonderful resource... > My first introduction to loops was from hearing Brian Eno and Robert Fripp with Frippertronics. I'd beeen working with delays before that point, however, they were not long enough to do any substancial loops in my opinion. I unfortunately didn't have the money or the sources to find a couple of tape machines I could use so, I was still out in the cold... I then heard about the electro-harmonix peddal that had 16 seconds of sampling time and was reversable. From that point on, I was on a quest to find a peddal which was afordable and could achieve what I needed. What I found was the PDS8000 from digitech which worked quite nicely for a while but did not have the frequency response I was looking for. I then moved up to the RDS8000 which is the rack-mounted version of the same. It actually has a few more features than the peddal... Oh, by the way, for those who aren't familiar with those two things, they had a sampling time of eight seconds. I then heard about the Jam-Man and got one immediately when they came out and proceded immediately also to upgrade it fully. I've used the Lexicon ever since and I love it! I'm currently looking to get an Oberheim Echo-plex digital pro. > Anyway, enough about the gear... I am currently living in Boulder Colorado and don't find to many people here who know much about, or do much with looping. I work in a music store and currently teach guitar there also so if there's any place to meet musicians here, I'm there... If there's anyone in my area, please don't hesitate to write me. I like lots of different types of music so I'm open to just about anything... > Thanks again for the existance of this list, as loopers seem sparce to me where ever I am in the country. It's nice to hear that there is some sort of meeting place for us. I look forward to more interesting e-mail... > >smiles, > >Corynne > >P.S. Are there any other women on this list? From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 18:47:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 18:45:41 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xM1Tu-0004kN-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:45:38 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-19-83.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.83] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xM1Tx-00065B-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:45:41 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:44:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: e41059ccd85f2814272b5eb870f62fed The list has been busted by my ISP for the past two days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 23:26:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 16 23:26:38 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xM5ro-0005qy-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:26:36 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-4-68.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.68] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xM5rp-0007LB-00; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:26:38 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:25:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: 47547a2013dd9252b56c90f39529524f The list has been busted by my ISP for the past two days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 17 10:34:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 17 10:30:39 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMGEO-0002Ok-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:30:36 -0700 Received: from eb-pm3-5-101.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.101] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xMGEO-00049V-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:30:36 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:29:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: e25ade644c89193066c25f3969970812 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 17 10:59:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 17 10:59:44 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMGgX-0004mR-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:59:41 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-15-79.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.79] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xMGgW-0005Ea-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:59:41 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:58:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: 9f404625e4c17f9985e7b817fa3f8e1e The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 17 22:38:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 17 16:15:54 1997 Received: from mail.vtx.ch [194.51.92.4] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMLcV-0004Kn-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:15:52 -0700 Received: from c.voit ([194.235.25.29]) by mail.vtx.ch (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with ESMTP id AAA22739 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:43:39 +0200 Message-ID: <3447F7BE.DD498E9E@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:41:50 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: bcf29aae599438eb17fa0928c46cdfcc Loopers I'm trying to explain to my girl friend Laurence (Classical flutist) the in and out of the LXP 15 V1.20 with the french and german manuals.....all that in french.. the manuals are relating to an older Rom version and are simply impossible to understand and incomplete (pages missing) Although beeing a midi and multi effect adict for years I'm stuck and ridiculous in front of her ;=) I want that Original plain engilsh manual for V 1.20 A download in zipped PDF would be the _fastest_ (I want to break FFFREEE) Tank you for helping me to spend my future time playing guitar and flute duos instead of yelling at the tranlator.. Claude Voit From ???@??? Fri Oct 17 22:41:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 17 22:42:11 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMReL-0003v0-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:42:09 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-5-69.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.69] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xMReM-0002kO-00; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:42:10 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:41:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: c3930269d4fc32bab7e9c559417d5c91 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 18 12:07:50 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 18 11:59:21 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMe5o-0005s8-00; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:59:20 -0700 Received: from eb-pm1-14-46.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.46] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xMe5n-00067B-00; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:59:20 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:58:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: 1f0a66e1d99dfcf47587bde15593c685 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Oct 18 20:42:23 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 18 20:34:02 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMm7t-0003jJ-00; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:34:01 -0700 Received: from eb-pm1-10-42.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.42] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xMm7s-0001xT-00; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:34:01 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:33:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: 6592edc25b07b49034bb130198a0e6f0 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 19 13:13:29 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 19 05:23:49 1997 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com [198.81.11.22] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xMuOa-00021t-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 05:23:48 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA22415; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <971019082246_661047471@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Nov/Dec Gigs X-UIDL: bcd246497a6a8a4259740b0a75c0c8f3 Here's a current list of my confirmed Stick(R)/Loop gigs: ("Adelante" info: ) Nov. 8 - w/J. Jody Janetta (percussion/bass) @ Celestial Cafe - Medford (609)596-7098 Nov. 14 - w/Adelante @ Border's Book's/Music - Marlton (609)985-5080 Nov. 29 - w/Adelante & special guest Ray Ashley @ Down to Earth Coffeehouse - Mt. Holly (609)265-9135 Dec. 12 - w/Adelante @ Amnesty International Benefit concert - Ocean City (venue to be assigned) Dec. 13 - w/Invasion of Time (improv. duo w/fellow Stickist/Loopist Jim Speer) @ Philly Stick Night '97 @ The Lion Fish - Phila (215)829-1903 Also featured will be performances by Greg Howard and Ray Ashley (with his new trio-Three Hour Tour) Dec. 28 - w/Adelante @ The Pearl - Somers Pt. (609)653-1155 Jan. 10 - w/Adelante @ Border's Books/Music - Mays Landing (609)407-1960 Thanks-Paul Mimlitsch From ???@??? Sun Oct 19 13:36:54 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 19 13:24:41 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xN1tw-0007J1-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:24:40 -0700 Received: from eb-pm2-25-89.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.89] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xN1tx-0001Rj-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:24:41 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:23:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: 9453c4b1c84ce4eda322d110a10b085f The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jan 20 00:54:32 1998 >From kflint Mon Jan 19 22:03:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xuWm3-0007iJ-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:02:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971019215755.007a0bb0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:57:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: RE: Hello... In-Reply-To: <01BD246E.C9C6E6A0.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Fy_eCD.A.8tG.vyDx0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2373 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:02:59 -0800 X-UIDL: e386d2633ee4c51a0293bcfc4400db74 Hi Laurie, It's nice to find other women doing this sort of thing! Thanks for the reply! What instrument(s) to you play? I'd like to hear some of what you do... I'll be talking again soon, but as of now, it's late here so I'm going to sign off. smiles, Corynne At 12:10 AM 1/19/98 -0800, you wrote: > >From Corynne: >>Hello, I've just joined the looper's delight list earlier this week...[snip] > >Welcome abroad! (oops... aboard) . I just signed on a few months ago, myself. > >>I'm currently looking to get an Oberheim Echo-plex digital pro. > >It's like having a beige '56 Jag XK-120 with a warp drive retrofit docked right >there in your rack. Sweeeeet. > >>P.S. Are there any other women on this list? > >Yup. ;^)=8=<== > >laurie > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 20 09:31:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 20 04:51:10 1997 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNGMX-0000QT-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:51:09 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA25189 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:50:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from chi-il24-18.ix.netcom.com(207.220.149.82) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025177; Mon Oct 20 06:49:43 1997 Message-ID: <344B450D.2276@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:48:29 -0500 From: Mike Artemenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AXON Request Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: b627e8fab7d7acd811c0297652506dcf To all interested Axon NGC77 users: Please submit a request for a pitch shift-per string-per patch function for the next Eprom upgrade. This will allow open tunings for individual patches. You can reach Dr. Dave Lee at Music Industries Corp. 1-800-431-6699 Ext. 125. If anyone has other ideas to be submitted let me know and I will do the same. Multiple requests may get the job done. Thanks for reading this. Mike Artemenko From ???@??? Mon Oct 20 09:31:33 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 20 07:23:56 1997 Received: from shrike.ravenet.com [208.212.179.12] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNIkN-0003PR-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:23:55 -0700 Received: from [208.212.178.197] by shrike.ravenet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10293) with SMTP id AAA259 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:23:52 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:29:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: bumped?? X-UIDL: 52414d22f7956d327362d4031c5937d1 It appears that somehow I got bumped from the list ... please someone help me back on .. not receiving email for some time now Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Mon Oct 20 10:19:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 20 10:20:20 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNLV4-0001AQ-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:20:18 -0700 Received: from eb-pm1-18-50.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.50] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xNLV5-0003Of-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:20:20 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:19:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: e2671244dce7e9a00f05dfe05b0ca4df The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 20 11:51:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 20 11:52:28 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNMwE-0001TH-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:52:26 -0700 Received: from eb-pm1-6-38.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.38] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xNMwD-0006bS-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:52:26 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:51:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: 07c338452ab7ac4177f03832d1f5f046 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 00:25:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 00:26:26 1997 Received: from mole [207.171.193.16] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNYhs-0002vS-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:26:24 -0700 Received: from eb-pm1-18-50.dialup.slip.net [207.171.198.50] by mole with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xNYhn-000098-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:26:20 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:25:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore X-UIDL: b03d70db3f79c84fddc1dcde25b65a69 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 20:37:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 15:11:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNmW8-0005zt-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:11:12 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:32:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore Resent-Message-ID: <"iFGNhB.A.sXE.vWST0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/800 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:11:12 -0700 X-UIDL: abb302c97f215c2f08872d69b26840ba The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 09:53:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 09:35:29 1997 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNhHD-0005uv-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:35:28 -0700 Received: from scv4.apple.com (A17-128-100-142.apple.com [17.128.100.142]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA37368 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:47:05 -0700 Received: from msgate.apple.com (msgate.apple.com [17.130.8.37]) by scv4.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12962 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:47:01 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 21 Oct 1997 10:41:04 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Return-Receipt-To: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS:Lexicon Prime Time $550 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" X-UIDL: ec5874b63989f8706552ad9dab7dbabc Groovy vintage gear from Harmony Central: Lexicon Prime Time w/ Expanded Memory Asking Price: US$550 Condition: Excellent Production Year: 1979 Description: Capable of up to 8+seconds of delay, footswitch controlable, sweep generator, sample/hold function sonically warm and sweet, almost analog sounding. lots of features. Original Owners Manual Serviced last year. In perfect operating condition. Inquire for details Thanks, Isaiah Seller: Isaiah Solomon, 303-629-6916 E-mail: zoosx@earthlink.net Location: DENVER, CO Post Date: 10/21/97 From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 20:37:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 15:11:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNmW9-000601-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:11:13 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:58:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore Resent-Message-ID: <"uow7bC.A.rbE.LXST0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/801 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:11:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 7460b77de210d3b829b5413bccaf389c The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 20:37:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 15:12:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNmX7-00067E-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:14:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore Resent-Message-ID: <"ZH1AmD.A.pvE.4ZST0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/802 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 750c4621204bf4d393510a1745b58405 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 20:37:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 16:12:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNnSx-0003sO-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:11:59 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:14:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: test - ignore Resent-Message-ID: <"-BBH9D.A.YAD.yUTT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/803 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:11:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 5c356bf3c9e8225d9817fcb7534c7ee8 The list has been busted by my ISP for the past few days, this is a test message to see if they have fixed it yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 20:37:25 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 16:26:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNnh4-0005Jk-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:26:34 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971021232106.00987218@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:21:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: LD is back! Resent-Message-ID: <"27KaQB.A.paE.jjTT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/804 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:26:34 -0700 X-UIDL: bcb10e0c4a366508ed674aff6e257c32 It looks like the Looper's Delight list is back up! As many of you noticed, Looper's Delight has been off the air for a while. Sorry about the interuption, my internet service provider broke the list last week as part of their ongoing efforts to be the next aol. But the real horror started when I tried to get them to fix it again. A whole week of phone calls and emails to everyone I could think of, with no action at all. I was ready for the Steven Segall approach..... I've got most of the mail that has been sent to the list. (it was all going directly to my account for mysterious reasons.) I will post it all for you later tonight when I get home. If something you sent hasn't shown up by tomorrow, please send it again. thanks for your patience, and please recommence with the looping.... kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 23:30:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 23:27:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsfA-0006mB-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:44:56 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971021232106.00987218@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:29:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD is back! Resent-Message-ID: <"nANT6C.A.9xE.lFYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/805 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:44:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 3e221e1aeb951fbde92317a00ac17122 Hello- The list is indeed fixed up. Again, sorry about the delay. A whole bunch of people tried to subscribe while the list was dead, I've just added all of them manually. (that's as fun as it sounds...) So for all of you newcomers, welcome to Looper's Delight, sorry it took a while to get your subscription through. I'm now going to forward a bunch of mail to the list that was sent while it was broken, some of it may be a little out of date. Make sure you check any dates before you rush off to any publicized events. again, thanks for your patience, kim >It looks like the Looper's Delight list is back up! > >As many of you noticed, Looper's Delight has been off the air for a while. >Sorry about the interuption, my internet service provider broke the list >last week as part of their ongoing efforts to be the next aol. But the real >horror started when I tried to get them to fix it again. A whole week of >phone calls and emails to everyone I could think of, with no action at all. >I was ready for the Steven Segall approach..... > >I've got most of the mail that has been sent to the list. (it was all going >directly to my account for mysterious reasons.) I will post it all for you >later tonight when I get home. If something you sent hasn't shown up by >tomorrow, please send it again. > >thanks for your patience, and please recommence with the looping.... > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:47:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNshS-00070H-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:47:18 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:30:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Warren Sirota (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: New Song in RealAudio Resent-Message-ID: <"PY74Z.A.I2E.WGYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/806 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:47:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 8b216b31c0d75317454e5ff1217c745f Hi all, This message has nothing to do with looping, so please direct all e-mail regarding this personally to me, not to the list. I apologize for the off-topicness of this, but since a lot of you know me and I'm a regular contributor, I didn't think this one short message would be too much of a protocol violation. I have a new political rock song (and Internet grassroots organizing effort) regarding campaign finance reform. It's just been played on 45 NPR affiliates, and is available via RealAudio (right now, it requires a 28.8 modem - more versions will be up soon) at http://www.mind.net/wsirota/themagainstus/. I'd like as many people as possible to hear it, talk about it, etc. So please visit the site if this sort of thing appeals to you. Thanks. -- Yours truly, Warren Sirota musician, programmer, writer http://wsdesigns.com/wsirota From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:48:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsiF-00075s-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:48:07 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:31:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Gabestern@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Re: guitar amp+speakers vs. PA Resent-Message-ID: <"KOw4uB.A.y6E.8GYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/807 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:48:07 -0700 X-UIDL: eb89fd08f5f633342f82c037fb377b7d Well, I've battled through the same territory myself. I ended up with a pretty strange system which includes: A Hafler 250W/channel (can't remember model #)) amp driving 2 EV1803 cabinets (18 inch bass, 8 inch mid, and a horn for highs - the horn can be attenuated) 2 Marshall 50W heads, each driving a 4x10 cabinet. A Crown Powerbase1 (200W/channel) amp driving a pair of jbl 15 in speakers A Phase Linear 400 driving a pair of Bose 901's I use a 2 way Xover and 2 ADA MEQs (midi controlled equalizers) on the way to the amps It gets the job done, but I really need to crank it to get it to sound right. At low volumes it actually sounds better coming through a 50 watt receiver and some AR-1 speakers. From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 23:30:53 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 23:07:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsjP-0007ES-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:49:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:31:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Demise of MIDI? Resent-Message-ID: <"fN4AAB.A.yBF.6HYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/808 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:49:19 -0700 X-UIDL: a1046db8d35f351dea53f9e5dd06d6cf I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest. It mentioned the impending demise of MIDI. Does anyone, especially those of you working in the music industry, know anything about this? How will it impact looping? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:50:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsjv-0007IL-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:49:51 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:32:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Adam Levin (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Looping @ Space Rock Fest in Baltimore Saturday Resent-Message-ID: <"y05lhC.A.3EF.QIYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/809 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:49:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 5109195653ad204a103cee7a79ae3150 Orion Space Rock Festival Saturday, October 18th 1997 3:00PM Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland The Orion Space Rock Festival will be held on Saturday October 18th at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. This all day festival will feature the top U.S. Space Rock acts performing full sets accompanied by the Solar Fire Light Show. There will be a wide range of space rock styles presented. Everything from loop-based ambient music to full blown intense mind blowing sci-fi rock. Featured performers: o Alien Planetscapes o Architectural Metaphor o Escapade o Quarkspace o Fingerpaint ADMISSION: $25.00 at the door. All ages welcome! OTHER INFO: Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST, email alevin@ari.net, or point your favorite web browser to http://prog.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ Orion Studios is a rehearsal and recording studio located in beautiful southwest Baltimore, Maryland. Orion has 21 rehearsal studios which are rented on a monthly basis, plus a 24 track digital recording studio attached to a showcase room. The show will take place in the Showcase Room. We have no liquor license, so its a BYOB affair. Sodas will be available. There will be a retail area where the bands and other vendors will be selling CDs, tapes, and T-shirts, so bring plenty of cash! Vendors interested in attending should call Orion or email mpotter@stsci.edu about table rentals. ======================================================================== Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:53 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:51:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNslA-0007RQ-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:51:08 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:33:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"-CxNjB.A.bNF.aJYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/810 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:51:08 -0700 X-UIDL: ed4c7fc47f00b946d3aeb916d251ad9e Hi folks, I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an electric guitar or violin? Thanks, Len Seligman From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:52:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNslw-0007XH-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:51:56 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:33:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: GR 700 system for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"o2umlC.A.jQF.3JYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/811 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:51:56 -0700 X-UIDL: aad7c3242703626348ae15159015da5e For sale - Roland GR707, GR505 (red strat w/2 humbuckers) guitars w/cases, GR700 synth, PG200 programmer all original in great shape w/all cables. $800.00 for everthing. Buyer pays shipping. Los Angeles area. Eric efisch@artnet.net (@13)664-5632 From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:53:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsmu-0007eT-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:52:56 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:34:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "c.voit" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence) Resent-Message-ID: <"cwmURD.A.rYF.4KYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/812 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:52:56 -0700 X-UIDL: b80959c551b79e56612ef3d50f3356b8 Loopers I'm trying to explain to my girl friend Laurence (Classical flutist) the in and out of the LXP 15 V1.20 with the french and german manuals.....all that in french.. the manuals are relating to an older Rom version and are simply impossible to understand and incomplete (pages missing) Although beeing a midi and multi effect adict for years I'm stuck and ridiculous in front of her ;=) I want that Original plain engilsh manual for V 1.20 A download in zipped PDF would be the _fastest_ (I want to break FFFREEE) Tank you for helping me to spend my future time playing guitar and flute duos instead of yelling at the tranlator.. Claude Voit From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:54:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsna-0007jJ-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:53:38 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:35:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: PMimlitsch@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Nov/Dec Gigs Resent-Message-ID: <"vqetrC.A.XeF.nLYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/813 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:53:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 8690cd3916c15db0293460aff5cd5874 Here's a current list of my confirmed Stick(R)/Loop gigs: ("Adelante" info: ) Nov. 8 - w/J. Jody Janetta (percussion/bass) @ Celestial Cafe - Medford (609)596-7098 Nov. 14 - w/Adelante @ Border's Book's/Music - Marlton (609)985-5080 Nov. 29 - w/Adelante & special guest Ray Ashley @ Down to Earth Coffeehouse - Mt. Holly (609)265-9135 Dec. 12 - w/Adelante @ Amnesty International Benefit concert - Ocean City (venue to be assigned) Dec. 13 - w/Invasion of Time (improv. duo w/fellow Stickist/Loopist Jim Speer) @ Philly Stick Night '97 @ The Lion Fish - Phila (215)829-1903 Also featured will be performances by Greg Howard and Ray Ashley (with his new trio-Three Hour Tour) Dec. 28 - w/Adelante @ The Pearl - Somers Pt. (609)653-1155 Jan. 10 - w/Adelante @ Border's Books/Music - Mays Landing (609)407-1960 Thanks-Paul Mimlitsch From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 23:30:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:55:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNspI-00009P-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:55:25 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:36:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mike Artemenko (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: AXON Request Resent-Message-ID: <"FRIinC.A.-jF.VMYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/814 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:55:25 -0700 X-UIDL: c26f254d1542f2397b04249d4ff63ecf To all interested Axon NGC77 users: Please submit a request for a pitch shift-per string-per patch function for the next Eprom upgrade. This will allow open tunings for individual patches. You can reach Dr. Dave Lee at Music Industries Corp. 1-800-431-6699 Ext. 125. If anyone has other ideas to be submitted let me know and I will do the same. Multiple requests may get the job done. Thanks for reading this. Mike Artemenko From ???@??? Tue Oct 21 21:53:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 21 21:53:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNsnE-0007gp-00; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:53:16 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:36:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Hartnett, Travis" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: FS:Lexicon Prime Time $550 Resent-Message-ID: <"HjYDRD.A._kF.dMYT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/815 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:53:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 01c06e9cea6dcf744aca39fe1a7732fa Groovy vintage gear from Harmony Central: Lexicon Prime Time w/ Expanded Memory Asking Price: US$550 Condition: Excellent Production Year: 1979 Description: Capable of up to 8+seconds of delay, footswitch controlable, sweep generator, sample/hold function sonically warm and sweet, almost analog sounding. lots of features. Original Owners Manual Serviced last year. In perfect operating condition. Inquire for details Thanks, Isaiah Seller: Isaiah Solomon, 303-629-6916 E-mail: zoosx@earthlink.net Location: DENVER, CO Post Date: 10/21/97 From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:24:52 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 02:04:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xNwi6-0006Wt-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:04:14 -0700 Message-ID: <344DC0AF.5999@aznet.net> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:00:32 -0700 From: crimson Reply-To: Crimson@aznet.net Organization: Autonomy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GR 700 system for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vvZtSC.A.v4F.LCcT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/816 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:04:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 93d34a8dd05da29fe5adca9c9b976282 Forgive me for my ignorance but could you please send me a little description of the different items and a brief explanation of what they do. I'm vaguely familiar with the GR700, but the others stump me. They do sound very interesting and might be something that i would be interested in having. Thank you for your time, Adam Tuckerman From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:39 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:35:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO3kU-0000ac-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199710221600.JAA14164@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 11:04:29 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"GAbu1B.A.UkG.9hiT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/825 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:10 -0700 X-UIDL: d5f58e92690cd4558d29fda43449137f >> <> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an >> electric guitar or violin?>> >> The VG-8 can provide excellent sounds of this type, as (I'm guessing here, >> since I don't have one) can the various MIDI guitar rigs. You might also try >> staccato notes into a ring modulator... > >Try weaving a lamp-type ball chain in and out of the strings, in parallel >with a strip of felt or some other cloth damping. To get a real tuned >percussion effect, avoid fretting notes... tune the guitar to the pitches >you want, and play open strings. Alter your pick position or striking >surface (like metal versus plastic picks) to get different tonalities. >Another thing that works really well for a percussive tone is something >stiff, like a pencil, between the strings and fretboard. Start at the >12th fret, then move it around. Try picking on both sides of the object. >Experiment! > >Personally, I think prepared guitar sounds much more natural and true than >trying to achieve those percussive sounds with electronics. A little fuzz >or flanging can bring these things out, but ultimately the best sound >comes from the guitar itself. Using a really short delay (10ms or so) with high regeneration can also help. I sometimes use a Whammy pedal before my preamp input, set to add an octave. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:16 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 06:10:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO0YF-0001JJ-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:10:19 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F87@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: 'Gotham' Subject: RE: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:01:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"8fhH0D.A.A1.3mfT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/817 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:10:19 -0700 X-UIDL: cc4cfd045679e626e921dea7833a8312 Dear M. Voit, I have forwarded your message to our Swiss distributor, Gotham AG, who should be able to sell you the manual that you need. You can email them directly at gotham@music.ch Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that i can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 > ---------- > From: c.voit[SMTP:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:48 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: lxp 15 manual Wanted (off but help Laurence) > > Loopers > > > I'm trying to explain to my girl friend Laurence (Classical flutist) > the > in and out of the LXP 15 V1.20 with the french and german > manuals.....all that in french.. > the manuals are relating to an older Rom version and are simply > impossible to understand and incomplete (pages missing) > Although beeing a midi and multi effect adict for years I'm stuck and > ridiculous in front of her > ;=) > > I want that Original plain engilsh manual for V 1.20 > > A download in zipped PDF would be the _fastest_ > (I want to break FFFREEE) > > Tank you for helping me to spend my future time playing guitar and > flute > duos instead of yelling at the tranlator.. > > Claude Voit > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 07:42:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO1z8-0005D5-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:42:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:34:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971022103415_1244105667@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"XoIDjB.A.MTE.x8gT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/819 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:42:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 0585d032cce8d6e150ffaf1d97efc0d8 <> The VG-8 can provide excellent sounds of this type, as (I'm guessing here, since I don't have one) can the various MIDI guitar rigs. You might also try staccato notes into a ring modulator... DPC From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:02:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO3EW-0004dc-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:02:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:59:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds In-Reply-To: <971022103415_1244105667@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pevqH.A.y2C.z9hT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/822 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:02:08 -0700 X-UIDL: d4d6164483003b4a30f5fcf7a07afd6d On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > < about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an > electric guitar or violin?>> > The VG-8 can provide excellent sounds of this type, as (I'm guessing here, > since I don't have one) can the various MIDI guitar rigs. You might also try > staccato notes into a ring modulator... Try weaving a lamp-type ball chain in and out of the strings, in parallel with a strip of felt or some other cloth damping. To get a real tuned percussion effect, avoid fretting notes... tune the guitar to the pitches you want, and play open strings. Alter your pick position or striking surface (like metal versus plastic picks) to get different tonalities. Another thing that works really well for a percussive tone is something stiff, like a pencil, between the strings and fretboard. Start at the 12th fret, then move it around. Try picking on both sides of the object. Experiment! Personally, I think prepared guitar sounds much more natural and true than trying to achieve those percussive sounds with electronics. A little fuzz or flanging can bring these things out, but ultimately the best sound comes from the guitar itself. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:15:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO3RK-00067f-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:15:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199710221545.IAA05790@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:51:39 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2cUFd.A.LgE.ZPiT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/823 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:15:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 99a86ce77f778045fddb78a8433d6d53 > From: Mark Kataby way of Kim Flint > I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest. It mentioned the > impending demise of MIDI. About 2 years ago, I read some discussions on this topic. I believe the "replacement" is called ZIPI (or something like that). It mainly corrects many of the shortcomings of MIDI....like speed. I think it was designed by a manufacturer of guitar synths. Obviously I really don't remember that much about it. Sorry. Matt From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:44 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:57:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO463-00039q-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:57:27 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCDEE1.DBF97D60@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:58:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rEPLWD.A.NhB.b1iT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/827 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:57:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 29a8f3b5231542b73027c47d9fa8761e The original Peavey ProFex preamp has a preset called "steel drum." I'll look for the parameters, tonight. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Len Seligman[SMTP:seligman@mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Hi folks, I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an electric guitar or violin? Thanks, Len Seligman From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:17:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO3TP-0006Kr-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:17:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199710221606.JAA06315@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:12:15 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Uvn5nB.A.HDF.KUiT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/824 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:17:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 5e3ea58eb1cc26e26511e664e60a2646 > From: Len Seligmanby way of Kim Flint > I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric > violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include > marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions > about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an > electric guitar or violin? Try putting tiny alligator clips on your springs at various positions. You can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you place the clips. I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less than 4 bucks. They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest. Matt From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:42 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:56:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO44x-00031v-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:56:19 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCDEE4.78E1B960@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:17:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mxk9b.A.yhB.g1iT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/828 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:56:19 -0700 X-UIDL: ccc270d6bf542714484834a037d78e40 I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years ago. It was developed by Zeta Systems. I don't remember anything about it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities. Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Matt McCabe[SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? > From: Mark Kataby way of Kim Flint > I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest. It mentioned the > impending demise of MIDI. About 2 years ago, I read some discussions on this topic. I believe the "replacement" is called ZIPI (or something like that). It mainly corrects many of the shortcomings of MIDI....like speed. I think it was designed by a manufacturer of guitar synths. Obviously I really don't remember that much about it. Sorry. Matt From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:36 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:34:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO3kB-0000Yh-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:34:51 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCDEE4.9EEBE220@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: Axon problems Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:18:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCDEE4.9EF509E0" Resent-Message-ID: <"JNGyK.A.bvG.VjiT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/826 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:34:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 11bb9acf3c02840b9817afec4b2fd67d Speaking of Axon problems, I thought I'd pass along this message from Trey Gunn. Be aware that Trey is using the Axon with an 8 string Warr guitar with a 34" scale length and a range of Bb-0 to D-4. I personally would like to have access to all of the Global menu options for individual presets in the Scratch or arrange mode. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net -----Original Message----- From: Treyg@aol.com [SMTP:Treyg@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 1:30 PM To: jbrainin@interactive.net Subject: Re: Axon problems jb, yes, there is a bug in the axon that i'm hoping they can resolve for me (us, actually). it has to do with the fact that it doesn't let you program in the fact that you are using a different tuning from standard guitar tuning. combined with the fact that there seems to be a limit on the scale length of the guitar that it 'hears.' this stuff is easily upgradable because the unit is software based. the side effects are this: when you do a fret split, it splits at a different fret for every string, because it refers to stadard guitar tuning. but on the 3rd string between the 14 and 18 frets there is a serious glitch. other than that, it is fantastic. and yes, i was using the guitar mode. the bass mode does not allow higher than bass pitches to be heard, so all the strings stopp tracking around the 5 or 7th fret, depending on which string. i got the model with the sounds in it, and am very happy. they're not amazing sounds, but they are useful. especially since i am running them through the GP-100 anyway. to have a half-rack midi-convertor AND a sound module in one is great. yo, tg From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 09:56:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO45E-000343-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:56:36 -0700 Message-Id: <7715.199710221645@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:45:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"XVlYWD.A.DwB.b3iT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/829 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:56:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 854545f68436e0346f38d7fef95b8375 >> Any suggestions >> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an >> electric guitar or violin?>> Well, a bunch of acoustic players get some pretty steel-drum-ish sounds on Fripp & Crafty Guitarist's "Show of Hands". I think they're playing above the nut tho'... do you need the sound to be tunable? Michael From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:47 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 10:20:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO4S7-0005jw-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:20:15 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131F8F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:05:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"tguatB.A.RCE.zLjT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/832 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:20:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 96657c5657072746cddbc07809d2fc0b Mark asked: "Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI?" No,I know nothing of this. I am sure that our Marketing/Engineering folks would wait until things were more firmly established before taking the great leap on to the razor blade known as cutting edge. Wimpy? Yes. Respectfully realistic? Yes again. regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:46 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 10:17:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO4PT-0005QC-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:17:31 -0700 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01bcdf0d$3ea1eee0$cf4c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ScGZ0C.A.1xD.nJjT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/830 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:17:31 -0700 X-UIDL: eee9fb9eef8c9867dd13ccb6a006f271 You can buy a kalimba (well, maybe not an authentic one) for pretty cheap. I got one for about 20 bucks this summer in a knick-knack type tourist store. It sounds pretty good. I'm thinking of attaching a contact mic to try looping, but I use a condenser for it now. I haven't tried looping it yet. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Len Seligman (by way of Kim Flint) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:59 AM Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds >Hi folks, > >I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric >violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include >marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions >about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an >electric guitar or violin? > >Thanks, >Len Seligman > > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:45 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 10:17:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO4P7-0005O4-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:17:09 -0700 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01bcdf0d$55ce8ce0$cf4c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PVTu2B.A.e0D.BKjT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/831 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:17:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 2a6dceb7e1000ff7e2e1f481830531b1 Which springs? Do you mean inside the guitar? Or on the pickups? -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Matt McCabe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:21 PM Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds >> From: Len Seligmanby way of Kim Flint > >> I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric >> violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in >include >> marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any >suggestions >> about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an >> electric guitar or violin? > >Try putting tiny alligator clips on your springs at various positions. You >can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you >place the clips. I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less >than 4 bucks. They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest. > >Matt > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 11:29:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 10:27:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO4Yh-0006Y1-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:27:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199710221712.KAA07801@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:18:49 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uatjz.A.z2E.uSjT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/833 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:27:03 -0700 X-UIDL: e27585d9966e8488122260ce832e3cda > From: Jesse Kudler > Which springs? Do you mean inside the guitar? Or on the pickups? Oops!!! I meant strings. "p" and "t" are so close on the keyboard you know!!! ;-) Matt From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 11:29:51 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 10:34:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO4fl-0007PJ-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:34:21 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199710221723.KAA16947@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:23:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01BCDEE4.78E1B960@mark.asisoftware.com> from "Mark Kata" at Oct 22, 97 12:17:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-N5_pD.A.BxF.kajT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/834 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:34:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 62b4ebc16788b1aa42862a50b0e67341 > I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years = > ago. It was developed by Zeta Systems. I don't remember anything about = > it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities. > > Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: Do you know = > anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI? > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com Our very own Kim Flint entered the ZIPI project in its final days. I recall both Oberheim and Zeta being involved in supporting the project, which took place at UC Berkeley's CNMAT. However, I get the impression Kim is kind of busy right now, so we'll just have to wait until he has some free time to share his experiences. I do recall that the ZIPI project eventually died. Perhaps the emergence of physical modeling technology in effects processors/preamps (various Roland preamps, Roland VG8, Yamaha's new preamp, Johnson Millenium amp) and synths, lower-cost digital audio recording hardware and software, and looping devices have diminished the demand for a MIDI replacement. But this is pure speculation on my part. :) Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 08:32:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO2lp-0001a8-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:32:29 -0700 Message-ID: <344E3750.AE7BD2D8@interaccess.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:26:40 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AXON Request X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-9am8C.A.xI.5mhT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/820 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:32:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 73acd94719ed9caea450b4f5713e33bc Thanks for the post. I have a couple requests: When I switch the GK2a to guitar only, the AXON sends out Midi volume = 0, and continues to send midi notes, I'd rather have it not send out midi at all. The midi volume message screws up any other controllers talking to the same synth. Also, it doesn't track Ebow playing very well, it seems to require an attack to trigger notes, even if the string is vibrating like crazy. Finally, I'd like to be able to set up the default "patch" to one of the Arrange modes. Jim Mike Artemenko (by way of Kim Flint) wrote: > To all interested Axon NGC77 users: > Please submit a request for a pitch shift-per string-per patch > function > for the next Eprom upgrade. This will allow open tunings for > individual > patches. You can reach Dr. Dave Lee at Music Industries Corp. > 1-800-431-6699 Ext. 125. If anyone has other ideas to be submitted let > > me know and I will do the same. Multiple requests may get the job > done. > Thanks for reading this. > > Mike Artemenko From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 10:25:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 08:32:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO2lf-0001Yt-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:32:19 -0700 Message-ID: <344E37C4.624D4BEA@interaccess.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:28:37 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SQ9nmB.A.TW.xohT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/821 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:32:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 73bb060a7b5bb7c918d51533319c5b41 A while back, there was an article in the NYTimes about the AES show and their president. One of the things she was working on was pushing the use of firewire technology, but didn't say exactly how. Perhaps this is related? Jim Mark Kata by way of Kim Flint wrote: > I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest. It > mentioned the > impending demise of MIDI. > > Does anyone, especially those of you working in the music industry, > know > anything about this? > > How will it impact looping? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 11:29:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 10:56:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO50f-0001nq-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:55:57 -0700 Message-Id: <97Oct22.124920cdt.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:46:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0MMFC.A.bw.IwjT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/835 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:55:57 -0700 X-UIDL: ea2b35e6c86b8f504b10af33aa6c21a1 I think I'll let Kim answer the ZIPI questions. I finally get to meet him tomorrow here in Twang Town. If ZIPI lives, can we, uhm... use "ZIPI the 5-Pin Head" as a mascot? ;) Tom "The Echoplexes Are Coming, Really!" Spaulding At 12:23 PM 10/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >> I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years = >> ago. It was developed by Zeta Systems. I don't remember anything about = >> it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities. >> >> Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: Do you know = >> anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI? >> >> Mark Kata >> Mark@asisoftware.com > >Our very own Kim Flint entered the ZIPI project in its final days. >I recall both Oberheim and Zeta being involved in supporting the >project, which took place at UC Berkeley's CNMAT. > >However, I get the impression Kim is kind of busy right now, so we'll >just have to wait until he has some free time to share his experiences. >I do recall that the ZIPI project eventually died. Perhaps the >emergence of physical modeling technology in effects processors/preamps >(various Roland preamps, Roland VG8, Yamaha's new preamp, Johnson >Millenium amp) and synths, lower-cost digital audio recording hardware and >software, and looping devices have diminished the demand for a MIDI >replacement. But this is pure speculation on my part. :) > > >Paolo Valladolid > --------------------------------------------------------------- >|Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ >|for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- | >\ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | > \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 11:29:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 11:05:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO5AH-0002rO-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:05:53 -0700 Message-Id: <97Oct22.130004cdt.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:57:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_WzERC.A.l1B.I6jT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/836 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:05:53 -0700 X-UIDL: df2ecc0f9612175723375e1fdd411cd9 Hello All- As far as ZIPI goes, the decidely non-wimpy, disrepectfully futuristic, cutting edge dancin', tryin' to build more Echoplexes of a Product Manager at Oberheim says: We will wait and see, also. As to the death of MIDI, a new format/protocol/"recently-found-original-master tape"/CD/DAT/MiniDisc/DVD/Adat/DA88/Pentium/MMX strategy has been used before to jump-start sluggish sales trends by greater Marketing Minds than ours. Who can say? Tom At 12:05 PM 10/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >Mark asked: "Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: >Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of >ZIPI?" > >No,I know nothing of this. I am sure that our Marketing/Engineering >folks would wait until things were more firmly established before taking >the great leap on to the razor blade known as cutting edge. Wimpy? Yes. >Respectfully realistic? Yes again. > >regards, > >Greg Hogan >Lexicon Customer Service >Phone +781-280-0372 >FAX +781-280-0499 > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 12:05:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 11:41:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO5iF-0006IS-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:40:59 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCDEE4.78E1B960@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:28:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Demise of MIDI? Resent-Message-ID: <"i8-MS.A.vzE.LZkT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/837 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:40:59 -0700 X-UIDL: fafa4d0f18636b203a0af9616ee981d2 Actually, I was one of the people who worked on zipi, so I'm very familiar with it and reasons why it was developed. Zipi is dead, so don't expect it anytime soon. There was a reasonable movement behind it a few years ago. One of the key developers of zipi was CNMAT, or the Center for New Music and Audio Technology at UC Berkeley. One of CNMAT's key areas of research is in musical performance and control. They are still heavily involved in this, and I beleive have developed a new musical description language, a successor to the MDL used for zipi. There is information about this on CNMATs web page. The point behind these efforts is that midi is a very slow and inefficient control network and communication protocol. It was developed in the early 80's just for the purpose of communicating between a simple keyboard and a simple synth. It is terrible for handling just about any other application. Rapid parameter updates, which are very useful on modern algorithmic synths (physical modeling, resynthesis, etc), are impossible with midi. Accurate synchronization, polyphony, etc. are all screwed up by midi, and it has been well recognized for years that midi is the biggest impediment to further advances in instrument technology. It is also the primary reason why guitar synths always suck. When the controller and the synth/effect have 100's of MIPs available, and they communicate over a 31kbs channel, you have a big problem! As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on current technology trends. Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire. What this means is that Mr Gates is turning the dodgy old midi physical interface into the dinosaur it should have become some time ago, and the music industry will evolve or die with it. You can expect to see manufacturers replacing the relatively expensive midi connectors/uarts with cheap firewire interfaces in the next few years. Networking these devices together and connecting them to your pc will be a simple task. And with bandwidth at 400MB/s, you will be able to send multiple audio channels along with any performance control info. Almost certainly there will be someone making firewire to midi convertors so that the pc of the future can still talk to the synth of the past. Obviously, that makes a midi only device much less attractive to the average consumer. The AES does indeed have working groups determining specifications for how to communicate audio and midi over firewire. I don't know the state of that, but I beleive reports have been published. And when all you are left with is the terrible musical description language of midi, and none of the slow hardware it was designed for, you have to wonder what the point of keeping even that is. Changing it now really just becomes a question of changing low level drivers in software. So the opportunity for CNMAT or someone else to introduce a new description language for modern network technologies is quite real. All they really need to do is get Microsoft to like it, and the what the rest of the music industry thinks is not very important. kim At 12:17 PM -0400 10/22/97, Mark Kata wrote: >I saw an article about ZIPI in Computer Music Journal a couple of years >ago. It was developed by Zeta Systems. I don't remember anything about >it either, but I remember being impressed by its capabilities. > >Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: Do you know >anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI? > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > >---------- >From: Matt McCabe[SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:51 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? > >> From: Mark Kataby way of Kim Flint > >> I just read a very strange post in Digital Guitar Digest. It mentioned >the >> impending demise of MIDI. > >About 2 years ago, I read some discussions on this topic. I believe the >"replacement" is called ZIPI (or something like that). It mainly corrects >many of the shortcomings of MIDI....like speed. I think it was designed >by a manufacturer of guitar synths. > >Obviously I really don't remember that much about it. Sorry. > >Matt ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 22:22:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 12:31:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO6VJ-0003n8-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:31:41 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight Postings" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:22:03 -0700 From: "frivolous" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 and music X-Sender-Ip: 194.72.122.73 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H9k44C.A.TsC.cKlT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/838 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:31:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 2947dd3137fc641a54c15e2ec2e503a1 Have any of you folks had a chance to play with the Korg DL-8000 looper yet? I read that the price in the UK is going to be UKP500 ($800) or so - not bad for an imported high-tech device over here! I'm still waiting for Yamaha to release some details about what they'll be doing with FireWire. They have a plan called "mLan", which sounds like the kind of thing you're talking about - multiple channels of audio, perhaps in a live setting? (This may still come back round to looping after all...) See http://www.analog.com/publications/press/misc/press_061296A.html and http://www.vxm.com/21R.35.html for more info I found on the net... Cheers, --- frivolous@mailexcite.com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See my XLChords project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 22:22:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 12:39:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO6cl-0004gQ-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971022123249.007ba100@pmail1.csuhayward.edu> X-Sender: sgresham@pmail1.csuhayward.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:32:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Scot Gresham-Lancaster Subject: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces In-Reply-To: References: <01BCDEE4.78E1B960@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pIUuL.A.ngD.ASlT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/839 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 7f6c2f0a38357e470119ef400c2269d8 At the recent SIGGRAPH yamaha showed a very interesting mixing system that was capable of 16bit 44.1k 100+ channels using fire wire. This looked like a fairly amazing system and promised to bust open the digital audio market. It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to imagine a control protocol being developed in this context...once the hardware is in place that is. BTW ...USB is significantly slower and a much tighter and expensive development ramp up. Which means that Microsoft will probably puch it instead...sigh... At 11:28 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: > >As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making >these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is >very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on >current technology trends. > >Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of >the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and >Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi >ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial >port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or >USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and >video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire. > Scot Gresham-Lancaster < Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Technician, Educator > ph: 510-885-3150 fax:510-885-3146 email: scot@csuhayward.edu www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~sglbio.html The market place is where greedy people cooperate. A community takes imagination ....Robert Haas From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 22:22:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 13:15:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO7BS-0000AC-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:15:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight Postings Subject: Re: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 and music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_g7up.A.e7G.71lT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/840 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:15:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 335542553116c14f88bc0bb534aa66f8 On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, frivolous wrote: > See http://www.analog.com/publications/press/misc/press_061296A.html and > http://www.vxm.com/21R.35.html I like the line in the latter article that says: "Mr. Gary Hoffman, President of Skipstone, and the chairman of the 1394 Trade Association, has predicted that FireWire will become a standard consumer electronics interface in 1996." Nostradamus, he ain't. 8) -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 22:22:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 13:43:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO7cS-0002zE-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:43:08 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971022203410.0087fed0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:34:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"0_7v9.A.p0B.FNmT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/841 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:43:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 5c7701e6d76d65673a87566cfbe70026 Microsoft is pushing both firewire and USB, and both are supposed to be part of Windows 98. USB will be on everything, while firewire is a high bandwidth option for medium and high-end machines, especially those for multimedia applications. Sort of like how now, every machine has a printer port, but not everything has ethernet or scsi. Firewire is supposed to replace things like scsi, parallel ports, and ethernet for some applications. It will be used for audio, digital video, disk drives, dvd drives, scanners, printers, digital cameras, etc. In this context, musical instruments are another pc peripheral and would be expected to have this interface too. As far as looping goes, it a performance looping context you are basically excercising control over audio streams in real time. This is exactly the sort of thing that firewire is designed to do. So instead being limited to keeping audio loop data in one box, you would be able to freely route it in real time, as you manipulate and control it. That's what you all want to do, right? kim At 12:32 PM 10/22/97 -0700, Scot Gresham-Lancaster wrote: >At the recent SIGGRAPH yamaha showed a very interesting mixing system that >was capable of 16bit 44.1k 100+ channels using fire wire. This looked like >a fairly amazing system and promised to bust open the digital audio market. >It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to imagine a control protocol being >developed in this context...once the hardware is in place that is. > >BTW ...USB is significantly slower and a much tighter and expensive >development ramp up. Which means that Microsoft will probably puch it >instead...sigh... > >At 11:28 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >>As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making >>these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is >>very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on >>current technology trends. >> >>Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of >>the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and >>Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi >>ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial >>port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or >>USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and >>video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire. > >> >Scot Gresham-Lancaster >< Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Technician, Educator > >ph: 510-885-3150 fax:510-885-3146 >email: scot@csuhayward.edu >www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~sglbio.html > >The market place is where greedy people cooperate. >A community takes imagination ....Robert Haas > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 22:22:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 13:46:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO7g4-0003O0-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:46:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 16:36:52 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9709228775.AA877563412@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"g9z6bD.A.EJC.1PmT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/842 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:46:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 226b930ca321e7cd026f79a5d2305866 Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from ams.amsinc.com by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Wed, 22 Oct 97 16:36:45 EST Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net) by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06958; Wed, 22 Oct 97 16:43:52 EDT Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xO7Vq-0002BI-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:36:18 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971022203410.0087fed0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:34:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-Id: <"0_7v9.A.p0B.FNmT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/841 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:36:18 -0700 Microsoft is pushing both firewire and USB, and both are supposed to be part of Windows 98. USB will be on everything, while firewire is a high bandwidth option for medium and high-end machines, especially those for multimedia applications. Sort of like how now, every machine has a printer port, but not everything has ethernet or scsi. Firewire is supposed to replace things like scsi, parallel ports, and ethernet for some applications. It will be used for audio, digital video, disk drives, dvd drives, scanners, printers, digital cameras, etc. In this context, musical instruments are another pc peripheral and would be expected to have this interface too. As far as looping goes, it a performance looping context you are basically excercising control over audio streams in real time. This is exactly the sort of thing that firewire is designed to do. So instead being limited to keeping audio loop data in one box, you would be able to freely route it in real time, as you manipulate and control it. That's what you all want to do, right? kim At 12:32 PM 10/22/97 -0700, Scot Gresham-Lancaster wrote: >At the recent SIGGRAPH yamaha showed a very interesting mixing system that >was capable of 16bit 44.1k 100+ channels using fire wire. This looked like >a fairly amazing system and promised to bust open the digital audio market. >It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to imagine a control protocol being >developed in this context...once the hardware is in place that is. > >BTW ...USB is significantly slower and a much tighter and expensive >development ramp up. Which means that Microsoft will probably puch it >instead...sigh... > >At 11:28 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >>As we discovered with zipi, and as Greg just demonstrated for us, making >>these changes from within the music industry is very hard. The industry is >>very slow and not willing to take risks, and usually not very up to date on >>current technology trends. >> >>Fortunately, I guess, we have microsoft. Microsoft is dictating as part of >>the PC '98 specification that all PC's from here on out have only USB and >>Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces. This means that you will not have midi >>ports grafted on the joystick connector anymore, or hacked into a serial >>port or whatever. Midi control data will be communicated over firewire or >>USB. These peripheral networks will also be used for transmitting audio and >>video, so all of these things can easily be lumped together in one wire. > >> >Scot Gresham-Lancaster >< Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Technician, Educator > >ph: 510-885-3150 fax:510-885-3146 >email: scot@csuhayward.edu >www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~sglbio.html > >The market place is where greedy people cooperate. >A community takes imagination ....Robert Haas > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 22:23:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 19:53:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xODOy-0000lk-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:53:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971022194631.009c35b0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:46:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: 2 questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UXbobD.A.BM.QqrT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/844 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:53:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 3dbddff446fcce3c1b9f6f86ec9a4f2e A lot of people have recommended the Roland EV-10 for use with the Vortex. Doesn't look like it's made anymore. Any consensus on the EV-5? And second, has anyone actually gotten the Echoplex upgrade since Oberheim moved cross country? Just trying to find out if it's safe to send them money at this point. Thanks, Sean From ???@??? Wed Oct 22 23:10:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 22 23:05:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOGOv-0004r4-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:05:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971023020000_-1494458379@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: test - ignore Resent-Message-ID: <"9dybMB.A.jME.cguT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/845 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:05:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 55f8b65fed50298bf37b16f40b7f3b00 got your message, Kim From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:08:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 04:23:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOLM0-0001ta-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCDF83.9AFCCD60@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:16:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"E6Lk9D.A.liB.ZIzT0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/846 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:23:04 -0700 X-UIDL: e174a96e234630fe67e9020fb0ae3ffe Here are the settings for the Steel Drum patch on the original Peavey ProFex preamp. You can probably get a similar sound with a similar collection of stomp boxes or another multi-effects unit. Compressor Attack = extra fast Release = slow Sustain = 6 (maximum) Level = 100% Noise Gate Through = 10 (maximum) 3 Band EQ Type = Drastic Low = 0 (flat) Mid Frequency = 2.1 KHz Mid Gain = -33 (where 0 = flat, 100 = maximum boost, -100 = maximum cut) High = -34 Pitch Shifter Course Pitch = +12 (one octave up) Cents = +50 Pre-Delay = 0 ms Feedback = 48% Mix = 62% Reverb Type = Tunnel Size = Huge Pre-Delay = 0 ms Time = 0.2 sec. Damp = 1 KHz Mix = 100% I hope this helps. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Len Seligman[SMTP:seligman@mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Hi folks, I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an electric guitar or violin? Thanks, Len Seligman From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 17:31:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOXeQ-0004WR-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:30:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199710231852.LAA31478@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Breath controller? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 13:56:29 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"I1-WC.A.JeD.qp-T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/853 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:30:54 -0700 X-UIDL: f1eb7bcf4c02f45bb182ac5c262c9c33 Not related to looping, but there's been enough discussion of various ways to implement real-time control of paramenters during performance that I thought I'd tap the collective knowledge of the group. Has anyone heard of a breath controller than can be used to generate MIDI CV messages? I remember that Allan Holdsworth used to use a breath controller with his SynthAxe, but I believe that was part of the SynthAxe package. I'm interested in trying to find a standalone unit which I could plug in to any MIDI CV input. My immediate use for this would be to give me a breath-controlled volume controller, to aid in simulating horn and string sounds. I've used a volume pedal for a long time, but the physical distance the pedal has to travel prevents really quick attacks and releases. I also think, that with practice, it would be easier to vary the volume level during a held sound than with the volume pedal. Anyone know of such a device? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:09:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 11:49:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOSJg-0000lf-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:49:08 -0700 From: "Type in your real name here" To: Subject: Jam Man: sell or trade Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:38:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcdfda$72d41ee0$640753d1@greg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BCDFB0.89FE16E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OMltDB.A.cvG.Zl5T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/847 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:49:08 -0700 X-UIDL: e9d830a06c1018b841f65d3703cb0a04
I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else.  I am most interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075).  I do not know what a reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well.
 
Thanks
 
Greg Rosenberg
gregory@itis.com
From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:09:51 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 12:44:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOTAq-0006cr-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:44:04 -0700 Message-Id: <4487.199710231931@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:31:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: New DOD pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"DSu6pC.A._RF.ma6T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/848 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:44:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d5f312bfb36af2b89873568f23145a8 The new FX98 pedal will have looping, 8 sec delay, or 4 sec REVERSE delay. Not to be confused with the current echo box. (FX96). This is from the current UK guitar mags - DOD haven't put it on their website yet. I think it's called the Echosonic. Michael From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 15:20:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOVcX-0006rA-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:20:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971023180729_2091056537@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Digital Wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"lBVKDC.A.QeF.gs8T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/849 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:20:49 -0700 X-UIDL: db94f96e58a76f19eea8ea5fd5e39ebb I need an Echoplex for a project that I'm working on - ASAP, but if I have to wait, (I know they're back-ordered at the factory) I will. However, if you know of one that's for sale please contact me directly - "drumworker@aol.com" Thanks, P. Ormandy Toronto. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 16:41:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOWsf-0007aE-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:41:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@rodan.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade In-Reply-To: <01bcdfda$72d41ee0$640753d1@greg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IuTZ1C.A.eBG.349T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/850 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:41:33 -0700 X-UIDL: f7ddcddf48837023e99675ace2a5488c On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Type in your real name here wrote: > I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else. I am most interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075). I do not know what a reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well. > > Thanks > > Greg Rosenberg > gregory@itis.com > You can get anywhere from $250 to $300 for the JamMan. If you are interested in selling it outright, I may have a buyer who is interested. Let me know. Mark. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 16:43:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOWu6-0007kc-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:43:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:34:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971023193249_-790135361@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"nOpWVD.A.mhG.X99T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/851 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:43:02 -0700 X-UIDL: dbbe127e48e72b0ad2834a5728eb0469 Greetings, gearheads I've decided to part with my once-loved Vortex, since under-used fx units are starting to stack up around here... Its got a User's manual, the Applications manual, and two Lexicon dual footswitches. Best offer over $235, COD shipping included. David Coffin dcoffin@taunton.com work dpcoffin@aol.com home 800-283-7252, ext 518 days, EST 860-354-1571 eves From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 17:04:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOXEa-00023n-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:04:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971023193534_-760474047@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Korg DL-8000 / FireWire / IEEE1394 and music Resent-Message-ID: <"D4tTKB.A.1PB.mR-T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/852 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:04:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 6b53d60872db00a98ae8f4bdf9d76d2c Last I heard from Korg, these things won't ship til after the winter NAMM show. They sound pretty cool on paper, tho.. dpc <> From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:25 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 17:47:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOXue-0006Is-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:47:40 -0700 Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B4907090F@www.ihs.dk> From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: 'Loopers-Delight' Subject: It could be a new looping device. Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:41:04 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"gm_7nD.A.sRF.r6-T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/854 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:47:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 525f66a8d47bacfb8747ba6fcf069f42 Hi out there. I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there" is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different that other products on the market. Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions will be appreciated. I don't think and hope that this letter in anyway break to rules for this list. After all, we will all benefit from this. Thank you, Stefan. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 18:42:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOYm7-0003wC-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:42:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199710240130.SAA00698@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:30:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Breath controller? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"N1AxX.A.utC.Oq_T0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/855 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:42:55 -0700 X-UIDL: b8289fb12a907cfca9b90147afdba256 I use a Yamaha BC-1 breath controller plugged into an Anatek "Wind Machine". This unit converts the output from the breath controller into a midi control message that then can then be fed to any of my midi intelligent rack goodies. Having the ability to route this modulation source to any parameter destination has really increased my weirdness. Try it !!!! Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:30 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 19:10:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOZCL-0006Iw-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:10:01 -0700 X-ROUTED: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:07:20 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex Digital Wanted Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:53:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.5888.11592@204.138.111.42 Resent-Message-ID: <"v6NsM.A.xJF.PGAU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/856 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:10:01 -0700 X-UIDL: fce4add7f74579869672751ffd72c441 Hello P. Ormandy, I tried sending you a message off list but it came back as a bad address. Would you mind shooting my correct email. Cheers, Gordon ---------- > From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > To: Rainham > Subject: Echoplex Digital Wanted > Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 7:23 PM > > > I need an Echoplex for a project that I'm working on - ASAP, but if I have to > wait, (I know they're back-ordered at the factory) I will. However, if you > know of one that's for sale please contact me directly - "drumworker@aol.com" > > Thanks, > > P. Ormandy > Toronto. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 19:12:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOZEC-0006Vf-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:11:56 -0700 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <345003C3.3042@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:11:15 -0400 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VjSrw.A.RhF.GKAU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/857 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:11:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 6afe4d90e0f7aa08ff9267a6126ee2f3 All of these sounds are in the Roland gr-30 guitar synth. Dave From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 19:35:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOZat-0000pI-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B49070910@www.ihs.dk> From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: 'Loopers-Delight' Subject: Patrick, about my company. Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:25:53 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"HFtifB.A.5RH.8cAU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/858 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:35:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 9569ea59b9790318d46c027d1db29287 Hi Patrick. I'm sorry if I expressed myself wrong. My company is dedicated to "out there" product, therefore we need info from artists around the world to make the best "out there" products for your needs. We are however also working on some of our own ideas, but I'm sorry to say that I can't get into details about these yet because we are working on some pretty innovative stuff and need the patents first. Thank you for your interest. Stefan. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 22:36:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOcQA-00060x-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:36:30 -0700 Message-ID: <345033C2.2BE2@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:02 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mn-GmD.A.1NF.DKDU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/859 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:36:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 639e63e784744a37292b27470eb8ab1e Len Seligman (by way of Kim Flint) wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm a looping guitarist/vocalist that plays with a looping electric > violinist/vocalist. Additional sounds/textures I'd like to bring in include > marimbas, kalimbas (African thumb piano), and steel drums. Any suggestions > about effects that could be used to get these or related sounds from an > electric guitar or violin? > > Thanks, > Len Seligman Put a Roland GK-2A pickup on your axe, connect it to a GR-30 guitar synthesizer and you can have more personalities than Cybil. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 23 22:53:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOcg6-0007Dt-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:52:58 -0700 Message-ID: <345037FF.4EC@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:54:07 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Demise of MIDI? References: <01BCDEE4.78E1B960@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"c4Q_dB.A.NdG.4aDU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/860 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:52:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 936c3950e222f3125628f03ac32a864b Mark Kata wrote: > Hey you customer reps at Oberheim, Boomerang and Lexicon: Do you know anything about the demise of MIDI or the introduction of ZIPI? > Mark, Sorry, but I am ZIPI illiterate. I do, however have a GR50, and my partner in the Boomerang venture has a GR30. I would be enthusiastic about anything that would improve tracking. Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 07:46:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOl0e-0006A2-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:46:44 -0700 Message-ID: <34505EF1.41C5@hom.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:40:17 +0200 From: David & Daniel Ferguson Reply-To: breakz@hom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-SPRY (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Breath controller? References: <199710231852.LAA31478@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lBd0xB.A.PTF.zNLU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/866 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:46:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 2bb76a1565fa9e05cd6e4e8751f14fc0 I believe Yamaha has in it's current production line a "wind controller", of course the DX synths had breath controler inputs, but I don't think any MIDI CC data is produced, also there is some sort of 3rd party box that you can plug the old DX breath controller and I believe it transmits MIDI CC, I'll look in to it. Daniel Ferguson From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:10:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 01:47:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOfOc-0000Pv-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: <34506081.5899@faderboy.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:46:57 -0700 From: Gil Morales Reply-To: faderboy@faderboy.com Organization: fmd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade References: <01bcdfda$72d41ee0$640753d1@greg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"h0Yiw.A.pG.h-FU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/861 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:47:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 1cf5e3b1e64cd5041f969ea3258b318f Type in your real name here wrote: > > I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering > dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else. I am most > interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work > nicely with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075). I do not know what > a reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on > that as well. > > Thanks > > Greg Rosenberg > gregory@itis.com I'd give you $300 for it - I'm in dire need of one... thanks Gil Morales -- PEACE faderboy@faderboy.com http://www.faderboy.com/ From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:36 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 08:45:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOlvY-0003oj-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:45:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241521.IAA29100@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Breath controller? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:24:56 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"JocCrC.A.KZC.xAMU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/871 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:45:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 337850058f7fbd987505b9efd5d16925 >I use a Yamaha BC-1 breath controller plugged into an Anatek "Wind >Machine". This unit converts the output from the breath controller into >a midi control message that then can then be fed to any of my midi >intelligent rack goodies. Having the ability to route this modulation >source to any parameter destination has really increased my weirdness. >Try it !!!! Is this the old "sax synthesizer" controller that Yamaha marketed in the late '80s? Travis From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:00 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 03:50:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOhJo-0005Z1-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:50:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:44:26 -0400 (EDT) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971024064425_-693286144@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"xJUTGB.A.m9E.JxHU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/862 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:50:16 -0700 X-UIDL: d0c7e809a1ff05176e81bcb45045aa83 i have seen spanking new vorteces for less than this on sale. you might want to come down a bit in price. sorry, =-) PJ From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 11:05:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOo73-0000tj-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241711.KAA40698@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 12:15:36 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"B3q6qC.A.1CH.bDOU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/875 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:05:33 -0700 X-UIDL: a6b639797c9ebe28b1e4edd02e25abc0 >I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out >there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there" >is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different >that other products on the market. >Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you >would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions >will be appreciated. What I'd like to see is a breath controller that would send MIDI CV information. I'm not talking about something shaped like a sax or a clarinet that lets me use woodwind technique to control a synthesizer, but rather a mouthpiece I can blow into while I'm playing guitar. This hypothetical controller could be connected to any CV input, and be used to control anything (volume, modulation, vibrato, whatever) that a normal CV pedal controls. Controls for sensitivity, max and minimum levels would be nice. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 12:20:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOpHM-0001el-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:20:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:04:05 +0400 Message-ID: <00003D16.@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 To: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9GbLOB.A.CT.NJPU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/880 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:20:16 -0700 X-UIDL: db6d472b058990a67ef6301a8d37a618 Does anybody have an idea on how to contact Mike Matthews (the father of Electro Harmonix)? I think i would be a good idea to interview him about the EH 16 seconds digital delay and include it in the Looper's page. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Autor: "Stephen P. Goodman" na internet Data: 24/10/1997 11:03 G. Peterson asked: > Now that electro-harmonix has resurfaced (new sensor ltd.), and reissued > the Q-tron, I am wondering if they have any plans in the works to do the > same with the much coveted Delay 16? I've called them, and they say "next year" they will be producing a new Delay 16 pedal. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 06:45:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOk3f-0001x8-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:45:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971024091930_83986316@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"p6nV5D.A.hUB.CUKU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/863 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:45:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 19791b6188e1c157fdef9d3da9caae5f <> Well, thanks, but I'm not the Price Club, and that's what it'll currently take to pry it from my covetous grasp! There's at least that much pleasure left for me in the old box, whenever I get around to it... dpc From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 07:08:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOkPd-0003L2-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:08:29 -0700 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <6edc41ec.3450aa45@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:02:22 EDT To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Vortex for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"oTCzwB.A.AvC.QqKU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/864 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:08:29 -0700 X-UIDL: d05dadba03ca2dec29bc5e26293ebc33 Re: the question of what a Vortex should sell for: FYI, I've already sold mine--and turned away another offer--at $235, within 12 hours of posting it... dpc From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:03 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 12:58:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOpsU-0005nE-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:58:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241916.MAA37910@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 14:20:34 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ay85DC.A.2IE.KsPU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/881 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:58:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 1e743b97112516c75e06e2516b8a2574 > >Hi all, I have a question and a request that has been on my mind for quite >some time. >Now that electro-harmonix has resurfaced (new sensor ltd.), and reissued >the Q-tron, I am wondering if they have any plans in the works to do the >same with the much coveted Delay 16? >The #800 posted on their web page is not functional in Canada, and I was >wondering if one of you State side listers might give them a call and find >this info out. >The number for customer service is #800 633 5477 I just gave them a call at that number, and they said that yes, they are planning to bring back the 16-second delay, but it'll probably be about 12 months before we see it. Yee Haw. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:37 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 08:53:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOm38-0004lI-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:53:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:43:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971024162334.0074740c@pop.stud.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Olu8WC.A.eYD.5IMU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/872 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:53:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 21a9f50ce84d724e65d8426106bb28b1 On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Erik Ljones wrote: > Matt wrote: > >Try putting tiny alligator clips on your strings at various positions. You > >can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you > >place the clips. I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less > >than 4 bucks. They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest. > > Since english is not my native language, would someone be kind and explain > to me what an alligator clip is? Is Radio Shack some kind of an electronics > dealer...I was wondering where in Norway I should go to look for something > like this. "Alligator clips" are small devices for holding electronic parts and other small things. Do you know what a clothespin is? The things you use to hang wet clothes up to dry? It's like one of those, only smaller and metal. It has a number of teeth for a gripping surface and a strong spring. You can get them at any store that sells electronic parts. They are used for making test equipment and stuff. > Also, I finally got ahold of a decent ring modulator w/ a multiplier chip > in it. It has two inputs (no internal oscillator on this unit), so I was > wondering if any of you guitarists out there have any ideas for signals to > modulate my guitars with...I'm into the concept of creating new and > interesting sounds with a guitar, so anything unusual is especially of > interest. > As for the not so drastic use of a ring mod, I probably should get an > oscillator that can generate all the simple waveforms. Where & how can I > get something like this without having to spend all my money? Any advice > and/or suggestions on this would be deeply appreciated. Thanks How about an old analog synthesizer? -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 08:28:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOlfD-0001la-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:28:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCE06E.F904D880@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:20:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8vrkh.A.t4.rzLU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/868 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:28:39 -0700 X-UIDL: fc698d4c07c70195cd9de34ca0da2ef5 You may want to try plugging a drum machine or a tape recorder's output into your ring modulator. I like using a recording of someone talking as an input into my ring modulator. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Erik Ljones[SMTP:eriklj@stud.ntnu.no] Sent: Friday, October 24, 1997 11:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Matt wrote: >Try putting tiny alligator clips on your strings at various positions. You >can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you >place the clips. I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less >than 4 bucks. They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest. Since english is not my native language, would someone be kind and explain to me what an alligator clip is? Is Radio Shack some kind of an electronics dealer...I was wondering where in Norway I should go to look for something like this. Also, I finally got ahold of a decent ring modulator w/ a multiplier chip in it. It has two inputs (no internal oscillator on this unit), so I was wondering if any of you guitarists out there have any ideas for signals to modulate my guitars with...I'm into the concept of creating new and interesting sounds with a guitar, so anything unusual is especially of interest. As for the not so drastic use of a ring mod, I probably should get an oscillator that can generate all the simple waveforms. Where & how can I get something like this without having to spend all my money? Any advice and/or suggestions on this would be deeply appreciated. Thanks Erik Ljones From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 07:29:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOkjm-0004kx-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:29:18 -0700 Posted-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:23:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971024162334.0074740c@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:23:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds In-Reply-To: <199710221606.JAA06315@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"i7f15.A.HBE.t9KU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/865 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:29:18 -0700 X-UIDL: a2851faae713610cab0e38b918e13b70 Matt wrote: >Try putting tiny alligator clips on your strings at various positions. You >can get some weird ringy/gongish/percussive sounds depending on where you >place the clips. I purchased a pack of 12 clips at Radio Shack for less >than 4 bucks. They come in different sizes but I went with the smallest. Since english is not my native language, would someone be kind and explain to me what an alligator clip is? Is Radio Shack some kind of an electronics dealer...I was wondering where in Norway I should go to look for something like this. Also, I finally got ahold of a decent ring modulator w/ a multiplier chip in it. It has two inputs (no internal oscillator on this unit), so I was wondering if any of you guitarists out there have any ideas for signals to modulate my guitars with...I'm into the concept of creating new and interesting sounds with a guitar, so anything unusual is especially of interest. As for the not so drastic use of a ring mod, I probably should get an oscillator that can generate all the simple waveforms. Where & how can I get something like this without having to spend all my money? Any advice and/or suggestions on this would be deeply appreciated. Thanks Erik Ljones From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:34 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 08:37:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOlnG-0002lC-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:36:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241526.IAA15488@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:31:38 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Go5_mB.A.AmB.E6LU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/869 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:36:58 -0700 X-UIDL: aa5bf21dc927c042685c71b74fe8c58f > From: Erik Ljones > Since english is not my native language, would someone be kind and explain > to me what an alligator clip is? Is Radio Shack some kind of an electronics > dealer...I was wondering where in Norway I should go to look for something > like this. They are jaw-like clips used for making temporary connections on circuit boards and the like. Radio Shack is basically an electronics supply store -- known mainly among musicians for having every kind of adapter known to man (and woman). Hope that helps!!! Matt From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:36 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 08:43:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOlu0-0003bv-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:43:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex for sale In-Reply-To: <971024064425_-693286144@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"q3YPbB.A.XMC.I_LU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/870 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:43:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 75dfa75c4e0a87bba1e4daffa23ecd36 On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > i have seen spanking new vorteces for less than this on sale. you might want > to come down a bit in price. sorry, =-) PJ This begs the one word question: "Where?" -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 13:59:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOqpB-0004Oo-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:59:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242038.NAA24070@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Breath controller? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 15:42:18 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"DTG2eB.A.y-C.AmQU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/884 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:59:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 603f5cc172a3ff9caa6b939a0c74ff19 >> >I use a Yamaha BC-1 breath controller plugged into an Anatek "Wind >> >Machine". This unit converts the output from the breath controller into >> >a midi control message that then can then be fed to any of my midi >> >intelligent rack goodies. Having the ability to route this modulation >> >source to any parameter destination has really increased my weirdness. >> >Try it !!!! >> >> Is this the old "sax synthesizer" controller that Yamaha marketed in the >> late '80s? >> >> Travis > >No, the BC-1 is a mouthpiece that translates either your lip pressure >or how hard you blow (not sure which, but I think it is the latter) >into MIDI Breath Controller information. The Anatek box, I believe, >lets you remap the data coming from the BC-1 into just about any other >type of MIDI realtime controller type: MIDI Volume, MIDI Pitchbend, etc. >It has a switch that lets you select which controller information >you like. Great! Unfortunately, it appears to be out of production. The more I think about it, the more I want something that'll do this. Volume/CV pedals are great, but... Travis From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:38 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 09:13:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOmMk-0006rF-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:13:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:02:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: "'Loopers-Delight'" Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. In-Reply-To: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B4907090F@www.ihs.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wAqDG.A.FgF.bbMU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/873 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:13:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 432fcdbfdd2f88d80efc8c774cef52dd Y'know, i'm not all that concerned about getting devices that sound "out there". What I'd like are effects that sound GOOD! Not good as in "cool", but good as in doesn't trash the dynamics and detail of the original sound. Most effects boxes are guilty of this... Lexicon stuff is pretty good, but ART, Digitech, etc all sound dry and sterile to me. The best sounding digital effect I have is a DeltaLabs Echotron. I'm sure that on a bench test it sucks, but it's very sweet and warm-sounding in practice. How about this for an idea... build some genuine PCM digital delays, with knob-based interfaces? Forget MIDI and off-the-shelf A/D and D/A converters... that's what kills the music. I would love to see a device like the old EH 16 second delay, with an oscillator, reverse, etc, or something that sounds like the old DeltaLabs delays. Good SONICS has virtually nothing to do with good measurements. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 15:09:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOrv9-0004fC-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:09:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242140.OAA22124@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 16:44:32 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"PprtK.A.lZD.9pRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/892 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:09:31 -0700 X-UIDL: da02efae9a6d3542552c434d67ad5e17 >> I just gave them a call at that number, and they said that yes, they are >> planning to bring back the 16-second delay, but it'll probably be about >> 12 months before we see it. Yee Haw. > >Did they give any indication as to how much they will cost? Are they going >to incorporate any new features such as MIDI control, more memory, etc? No, but given their previous track record, I'd suspect a near identical copy of the old one, same specs, appearance, etc. And, off the top of my head, I think the Boomerang may offer all the functionality of the EH-16. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 12:06:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOp4R-00004c-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:06:55 -0700 Message-ID: <19971024164648.6535.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.25.66] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:46:40 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"Hdl1ZD.A.4UG.D-OU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/879 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:06:55 -0700 X-UIDL: add86d7f2e279374e5e273946664a163 Dave said: >I would love to see a device >like the old EH 16 second delay, with an oscillator, reverse, etc, or >something that sounds like the old DeltaLabs delays. Good SONICS has >virtually nothing to do with good measurements. I was told by one of the guys at Sovtek that the reissue 16 second delay is going to be one of their *priority* releases within the next year. Ah a boy can dream. Salam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 10:23:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOnS9-0004XP-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:23:17 -0700 X-ROUTED: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:20:14 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:55:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.12274.7380@204.138.111.21 Resent-Message-ID: <"rf63Y.A.XmD.GeNU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/874 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:23:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 5500c497463ae11d474062b4408b4d45 Hi all, I have a question and a request that has been on my mind for quite some time. Now that electro-harmonix has resurfaced (new sensor ltd.), and reissued the Q-tron, I am wondering if they have any plans in the works to do the same with the much coveted Delay 16? The #800 posted on their web page is not functional in Canada, and I was wondering if one of you State side listers might give them a call and find this info out. The number for customer service is #800 633 5477 Many thanks in advance, Gordon ---------- From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 11:56:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOouL-0006fr-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:56:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241807.LAA24773@smtp04.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:03:58 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BZvcwB.A.9NF.V0OU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/878 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:56:29 -0700 X-UIDL: f053ae37828486b0d1c903f5d663f2c1 G. Peterson asked: > Now that electro-harmonix has resurfaced (new sensor ltd.), and reissued > the Q-tron, I am wondering if they have any plans in the works to do the > same with the much coveted Delay 16? I've called them, and they say "next year" they will be producing a new Delay 16 pedal. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 08:21:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOlY4-0000wo-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:21:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241516.LAA22933@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:15:00 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oycpcB.A.3S.QtLU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/867 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:21:16 -0700 X-UIDL: a36bba8901321feace8cd66f6b58713c > Since english is not my native language, would someone be kind and explain > to me what an alligator clip is? They are the small clips which have teeth. They resemble an alligator's head, hence the name. > > Also, I finally got ahold of a decent ring modulator w/ a multiplier chip > in it. It has two inputs (no internal oscillator on this unit), so I was > wondering if any of you guitarists out there have any ideas for signals to > modulate my guitars with... First, you will need a sine wave generator. I would suggest you get a good solid-state oscillator from a surplus dealer or use an analogue synth with the filter resonance turned all the way into self-oscillation as your carrier. Avoid tube oscillators. They sound very nice, but their sine waves are not always perfect and the 48V output could fry your other equipment. Be sure to check the out levels on the solid state oscillator as well. These things usually don't cost much. You may also experiment with other waveshapes as carriers, but since you are using a guitar which is rich in harmonic content, I imagine you'll get better results with a pure sine wave. You may also exceed audible range with most stand-alone generators, and I'm seriously suggesting you try this out. Since this signal is acting as a modulation source, it need not be audible in frequency range to act on your guitar sound. I also suggest you try putting an EQ between your guitar and the ring mod; this will give you more control over which harmonics are affected. Hoping this helps a little, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "Echo is Instant Nostalgia" jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:52 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 11:56:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOotp-0006bh-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:55:57 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199710241816.LAA01728@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Breath controller? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:16:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199710241521.IAA29100@scv4.apple.com> from "T.W. Hartnett" at Oct 24, 97 10:24:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8iJE2B.A.UAF.eyOU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/877 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:55:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 7c4c4aad73af322ec3e79b20b76c43ab > >I use a Yamaha BC-1 breath controller plugged into an Anatek "Wind > >Machine". This unit converts the output from the breath controller into > >a midi control message that then can then be fed to any of my midi > >intelligent rack goodies. Having the ability to route this modulation > >source to any parameter destination has really increased my weirdness. > >Try it !!!! > > Is this the old "sax synthesizer" controller that Yamaha marketed in the > late '80s? > > Travis No, the BC-1 is a mouthpiece that translates either your lip pressure or how hard you blow (not sure which, but I think it is the latter) into MIDI Breath Controller information. The Anatek box, I believe, lets you remap the data coming from the BC-1 into just about any other type of MIDI realtime controller type: MIDI Volume, MIDI Pitchbend, etc. It has a switch that lets you select which controller information you like. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:11:47 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 11:38:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOocr-0004cI-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:38:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199710241828.LAA25552@smtp04.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:25:09 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VRjw1D.A.8SD.yjOU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/876 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:38:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 10ffb68cec7f7b1363b2107610c68059 'New Sensor Ltd' is actually listed as http://www.sovtek.com by the way. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 13:23:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOqGZ-0000aq-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:23:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242011.NAA23980@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: metal footcontroller enclosures Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:16:40 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FG6jBD.A.d0G.bFQU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/882 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:23:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 98d818e0f677a2e756559e74eaec4429 Does anyone know where I could find metal enclosures suitable for footcontrollers? I'm not interested in the stompbox size....I need something a little bigger. I'm thinking about replacing my 2 cheesy Lexicon footswitches (Vortex/JamMan) with one beefy custom footcontroller wired for both machines...and a few other switching functions. Any ideas? Thanks! ----------------------------- Matt McCabe Sales/Marketing Support SunGard Bi-Tech Systems Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 13:24:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOqHB-0000fH-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:24:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242013.NAA24031@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:18:18 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"88AT6C.A.-9G.0GQU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/883 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:24:09 -0700 X-UIDL: c3ebb2b4b14316661da28fdf83d2b4c0 > From: T.W. Hartnett > I just gave them a call at that number, and they said that yes, they are > planning to bring back the 16-second delay, but it'll probably be about > 12 months before we see it. Yee Haw. Did they give any indication as to how much they will cost? Are they going to incorporate any new features such as MIDI control, more memory, etc? Matt From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 13:59:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOqoy-0004N7-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:59:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:49:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loop Subject: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures In-Reply-To: <199710242011.NAA23980@gw1.bi-tech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"H40tdC.A.2PD.ZoQU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/885 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:59:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 745536a3fd0681302316ce6fdb435913 On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Matt McCabe wrote: > Does anyone know where I could find metal enclosures suitable for > footcontrollers? I'm not interested in the stompbox size....I need > something a little bigger. I'm thinking about replacing my 2 cheesy > Lexicon footswitches (Vortex/JamMan) with one beefy custom footcontroller > wired for both machines...and a few other switching functions. Any ideas? > Thanks! Angled-front aluminum boxes are available from Mouser, Digikey, and other electronics supply shops. A much harder problem is finding robust momentary footswitches that can take stage abuse. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 14:29:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOrIG-0007iP-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:29:20 -0700 Message-Id: <97Oct24.162042cdt.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:17:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1OUDbB.A.p-F.LCRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/886 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:29:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 0e2d46ea70526767cbb67055ae0c3b8a Try the Mouser momentary footswitches like we use in the Echoplex footswitch. They work for us, and I believe ADA uses them too. Tom At 03:49 PM 10/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Matt McCabe wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I could find metal enclosures suitable for >> footcontrollers? I'm not interested in the stompbox size....I need >> something a little bigger. I'm thinking about replacing my 2 cheesy >> Lexicon footswitches (Vortex/JamMan) with one beefy custom footcontroller >> wired for both machines...and a few other switching functions. Any ideas? >> Thanks! > >Angled-front aluminum boxes are available from Mouser, Digikey, and other >electronics supply shops. A much harder problem is finding robust >momentary footswitches that can take stage abuse. > >-dave > >By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. >Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. >Venus De Milo. >To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ > -Charles Fort > > > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 14:41:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOrUL-0001RW-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:41:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242113.OAA25497@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:18:46 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"piKf7.A.3T.zPRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/888 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:41:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 69475a7a4740bc11d75d6c8cb6e104aa > From: Dave Stagner > Angled-front aluminum boxes are available from Mouser, Digikey, and other > electronics supply shops. A much harder problem is finding robust > momentary footswitches that can take stage abuse. Great! Unfortunately, I've never heard of those stores. I'm in California. You don't happen to have their numbers handy do you? Matt From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 14:29:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOrI0-0007gF-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:29:04 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199710242119.OAA03179@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Breath controller? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:19:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199710242038.NAA24070@scv4.apple.com> from "T.W. Hartnett" at Oct 24, 97 03:42:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QWJNzD.A.xJG.pDRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/887 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:29:04 -0700 X-UIDL: dc843932f2976ec2319dab4d35666787 > >No, the BC-1 is a mouthpiece that translates either your lip pressure > >or how hard you blow (not sure which, but I think it is the latter) > >into MIDI Breath Controller information. The Anatek box, I believe, > >lets you remap the data coming from the BC-1 into just about any other > >type of MIDI realtime controller type: MIDI Volume, MIDI Pitchbend, etc. > >It has a switch that lets you select which controller information > >you like. > > Great! Unfortunately, it appears to be out of production. The more I > think about it, the more I want something that'll do this. Volume/CV > pedals are great, but... > > Travis I think Yamaha is still producing a breath controller in some shape or form if not a BC-1 model. They have to if they still have the VL-70 physical modeling synth in production. Dunno about Anatek, though... Perhaps you can try contacting Harvey Starr? He produces MIDI controllers that have input ports for a Yamaha breath controller. Perhaps he can custom build a box for you that just does the MIDI mapping functionality. The URL is http://catalog.com/starrlab/ Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 14:59:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOrlR-0003VB-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:59:29 -0700 From: John Neilson Message-Id: <199710242124.RAA13792@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:24:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199710242011.NAA23980@gw1.bi-tech.com> from "Matt McCabe" at Oct 24, 97 01:16:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"R-Mp8C.A.ASC.cgRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/890 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:59:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 15fd0f5dd3e830f3ce0bfe0855945f67 > > Does anyone know where I could find metal enclosures suitable for > footcontrollers? I'm not interested in the stompbox size....I need > something a little bigger. I'm thinking about replacing my 2 cheesy > Lexicon footswitches (Vortex/JamMan) with one beefy custom footcontroller > wired for both machines...and a few other switching functions. Any ideas? > Thanks! > Those JamMan footswitches are awful. I immediately replaced mine with a pair of Korg pedals that do the trick just fine. They're red, flat, and each comes with 2 switches, so two of these with a pair of insert cables will fix you up in no time. I can look up the part number when I get home if you'd like. On the other hand, maybe you'd rather build boxes... ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson www.mixup.com jneil@mixup.com "a site for sore ears" From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:24 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 14:51:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOrdT-0002Xc-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:51:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242134.OAA25823@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Mouser Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:39:40 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w7JsNB.A.vbB.HZRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/889 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:51:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 827d589d6b5aa04db9ff09f1662954ad Never mind my last question. I found their web site....http://www.mouser.com. Thanks! ----------------------------- Matt McCabe Sales/Marketing Support SunGard Bi-Tech Systems Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 15:02:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOroT-0003ry-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:02:37 -0700 Message-Id: <97Oct24.165535cdt.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:52:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Dv-VjC.A.ykC.BjRU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/891 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:02:37 -0700 X-UIDL: facad8b155aa2f93522fbbebc7fc2e0c Matt- I found them at www.mouser.com They offer a free catalog and an e-mail address Try sales@mouser.com Ask for them by name! Tom "Welcoming the fabulous Kim Flint to Twang Town" Spaulding at Oberheim (Insert thoughtful music/creativity related quote from esteemed thinker here) At 04:18 PM 10/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> From: Dave Stagner < > >> Angled-front aluminum boxes are available from Mouser, Digikey, and other >> electronics supply shops. A much harder problem is finding robust >> momentary footswitches that can take stage abuse. > >Great! Unfortunately, I've never heard of those stores. I'm in >California. You don't happen to have their numbers handy do you? > >Matt > > > From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:35 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 15:40:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOsPD-00003h-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:40:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971024183108_863681844@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"p1QQBD.A.2hG.tHSU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/893 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:40:35 -0700 X-UIDL: f0cac0adef52448173ca578915b40562 i think the jamman does most of the things the eh does but no speed up or slow down. i have a digitech delay that speeds up and slows down but doesn' t do the backwards thing. the digitech also has kind of lame fidelity unlike the jamman which sounds great. does the eh have good or bad fidelity? is it noisy or quiet? PJ From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:12:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 24 17:47:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xOuNb-0003nX-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:47:03 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199710250039.RAA04310@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Breath controller? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199710231852.LAA31478@scv2.apple.com> from "T.W. Hartnett" at Oct 23, 97 01:56:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YDv-pB.A.X3C.c_TU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/894 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:47:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 6d795f87888d73420b2d8777c499ea38 > CV messages? I remember that Allan Holdsworth used to use a breath > controller with his SynthAxe, but I believe that was part of the SynthAxe > package. I'm interested in trying to find a standalone unit which I Actually, as Allan himself explained during a clinic (supposedly the purpose was to advertise the Mesa Boogie gear he uses but he spent 80% of the clinic playing his SynthAxe instead!), the SynthAxe's "breathing tube" just controls a VCA at the output of the SynthAxe. He plugged in the synth being controlled (a little Yamaha module - he had already sold the Matrix 12) so that the synth outputs went into SynthAxe input(s) that led to the VCA. Allan felt the VCA gave him much greater resolution of control over the synth volume than MIDI's 127 steps. Come to think of it, Craig Anderton once had an article in Electronic Musician on how to modify a volume pedal so you could control it with a Yamaha breath controller instead of your foot. Or something like that.... Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:18 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 04:29:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xP4PG-0001S7-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:29:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:24:12 +0400 Message-ID: <00003D65.@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, PJBMHB@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"N2lnl.A.XLB.TcdU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/895 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:29:26 -0700 X-UIDL: e53b733c915565f1ed96a8c7c8241d8f As I have both (JM & EH) I can tell you they are very different: EH has feedback control; 8 or 16 sec. switch (you can go one octave up or down on the fly); reverse/forward on the fly; modulation (chorus/flanger).You can also combine everything to create a real strange atmosphere just with a guitar plus volume knob and picking technique. It has a good fidelity if you stay at short delay time (at 16 sec. the high end suffers a lot); noise is ok even if you record line. It also sends a clock pulse out. If you are into more weird sounds EH is the way to go. I love both. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Autor: PJBMHB@aol.com na internet Data: 24/10/1997 18:31 i think the jamman does most of the things the eh does but no speed up or slow down. i have a digitech delay that speeds up and slows down but doesn' t do the backwards thing. the digitech also has kind of lame fidelity unlike the jamman which sounds great. does the eh have good or bad fidelity? is it noisy or quiet? PJ From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:23 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 07:38:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xP7Md-00036V-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 07:38:55 -0700 Message-ID: <34520752.F7C2917E@vtx.ch> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:50:58 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Breath controller? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710250039.RAA04310@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RWedTC.A.RrC.jOgU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/896 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 07:38:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 3fce5716a34b05b4e7dbe706bf4bf338 Check Keyboards magazine sept 91 p 16 A breath controler interface for the MI the DIY project interfaces between the breath cont Yamaha BC1 or BC2 and any synth or midi footswich that has a footcontroller input (tip+ground) It replaces a Controler pedal I did'nt try it but looks simple Claude From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 11:57:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPBOi-0002T5-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:57:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:52:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971025145210_203703041@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"pCz25C.A.bDC.XAkU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/897 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:57:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 89f67cae74b8cc03142dce64fab14d4a Here's two things I'd like to see: A device that outputs MIDI control data based on all kinds of LFOs, one-shot triggers, sample-and-hold patterns, random number streams, and audio input levels, either automatically, under foot-pedal control, and/or in response to audio signals on their way to whatever monitoring device they use. This would be something like the control section only of the Lexicon MPX-1, but wouldn't process or create audio, just spit out MIDI control data. You could connect it to any sound source or processor or MIDI matrix that was under-spec'ed in this way, without having to buy an MPX just to get access to sophisticated controller software. AND: How about some new models and system upgrades for the VG-8, now that Roland seems to have lost interest (however temporarily)? Please send brochures and price lists for these items immediately. Thanks;-) dpc From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 12:15:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPBgJ-0003Lw-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:15:31 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 15:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971025150820_-1308386366@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"OQTSlB.A.h1C.aRkU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/898 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:15:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 9322463083c1fbcefb8713edd7bb2dc3 Regarding my description of the MIDI Control Center I'd like to see, here's a new product that sounds similar, but probably lacks the LFO's and mathematical data streams that the MPX has: >From Sweetwater Sound's InSync: <> From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:50 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 20:51:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPJjS-0001mn-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:51:18 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds In-Reply-To: <01BCE06E.F904D880@mark.asisoftware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"g1cCED.A.aaB.L0rU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/899 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:51:18 -0700 X-UIDL: ddaad9dc469d9460c6d6f5295af32b15 On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Mark Kata wrote: > You may want to try plugging a drum machine or a tape recorder's output into > your ring modulator. I like using a recording of someone talking as an > input into my ring modulator. > > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com > > Speaking of ring modulators, this is an effect I've never had a chance to play with, but have always wanted to. Can someone suggest (via private email perhaps since it's not directly loop related) some good boxes and sources for them? Does anyone still make a stand alone ring modulator? I think I've only ever seen one that I can remember. Thanks --- Todd Pafford galen@erols.com (preferred) todd@galen.dyn.ml.org (expect bounces) From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:53 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 22:22:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPL9q-0005Lq-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:22:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: TritoneDW@aol.com Message-ID: <971026011823_-1308318457@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"dya9mC.A.zxE.dLtU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/900 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:22:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 8c5f1e3687e3cc0ac0629a25194a66c7 This is probably too vague to be helpful, but a long time ago I got some pretty convincing steel drum sounds with an envelope filter and a digital chorus unit. The envelope filter had the threshhold set pretty high, so that most of the notes fell right on the cusp of the "wah".The release was relatively short. (I got good results with a number of different settings, so fiddle around a bit. For reference, it was an MXR envelope filter.) The chorus was from an ART Multiverb EXT, with the modulation set fairly high. It gave sort of a ring modulator quality, but with a more defined note. I don't have any of the specifics on the settings for these effects, but if you have an envelope filter and a digital effects box you should be able to make a guitar sound like a steel drum without _too_ much experimentation. Drew W. From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 00:13:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 25 23:21:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPM58-0007SW-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:21:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971026011748_340507867@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"4KjEaD.A.Q0G.KDuU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/901 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:21:50 -0700 X-UIDL: ebac8d72079182b27572ed1e15b935f2 why sell it if you dig it? keep it. i have regretted selling too many pieces of equipment in my life. like i wish i still had my tokai tele and my steinberger/strat thing gtr. keep your vortex. sell some blood or something else if you are hurting for dinero! =-) PJ From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 13:56:51 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 26 01:01:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPOZJ-000481-00; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:01:09 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971025145210_203703041@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:10:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"BXaltB.A.BuD.kYwU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/902 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:01:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 27cede9c4963d50ff1fd4e82d2f684c3 At 2:52 PM -0400 10/25/97, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >Here's two things I'd like to see: >A device that outputs MIDI control data based on all kinds of LFOs, one-shot >triggers, sample-and-hold patterns, random number streams, and audio input >levels, either automatically, under foot-pedal control, and/or in response to >audio signals on their way to whatever monitoring device they use. This would >be something like the control section only of the Lexicon MPX-1, but wouldn't >process or create audio, just spit out MIDI control data. You could connect >it to any sound source or processor or MIDI matrix that was under-spec'ed in >this way, without having to buy an MPX just to get access to sophisticated >controller software. I think most people who want to do nutty midi tricks like this just use Opcode's Max. Put it on a used powerbook, and you're off. I'm not sure the extent that you can interface it with actual audio events, but people have written and amazing assortment of objects. No doubt some interface with the mac's audio hardware. I know I've seen Max dsp objects that work with audiomedia cards. advantage of max is you program it, so it's uniquely your thing and you don't have to be confined to someone else's ideas, or their need to make a profit. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 13:57:12 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 26 02:07:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPPbo-0005l0-00; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:07:48 -0800 Message-Id: <18361.199710261003@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:03:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"_tBqCB.A.mNF.AXxU0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/903 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 02:07:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 3449ca90a0fd25b3e5aad2fe03aa26ee >This is probably too vague to be helpful, but a long time ago I got some >pretty convincing steel drum sounds with an envelope filter and a digital >chorus unit. Come to think of it, Matthias manages a fairly steel-drum-like sound on one of his peices (the first track on Pensar-Se, can't remember the title). Matthias, you out there? Michael From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 00:45:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 26 13:39:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPaOn-0001n2-00; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:39:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:33:12 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971026163312_396248350@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 2 questions Resent-Message-ID: <"dYS60B.A.9VB.Xd7U0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/904 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:39:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 711ee7a569be008847a4291a722276e9 The LoOpDoctOrs dutifully sent in their fifty bucks for the Echoplex upgrade several weeks ago and we have seen nada. Hope this doesn't mean Oberheim is in an infinite loop with no feedback. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 00:45:52 1997 >From kflint Sun Oct 26 16:40:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPdDv-0001D1-00; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:40:03 -0800 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710270031.TAA26205@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"bZH36C.A.50.cH-U0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/905 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:40:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 51f08d739921e2345df2d7816d421f0c just to jump in... sorry if i'm off-parameter here... was this discussion pertinent to guitar/synth also... if so, i can recommend, and recommend anyway - the alesis nano-synth.... whew!!! awesome, clean sounds, lots of marimbas, vibes, glocks... no programming without computer interface, but for the size tradeoff well worth it - 256 sounds, 16 voice, built in adjustable rev/chorus on some sounds...and only as big as a CD walkman (1/3 rack space)!! also those old boss DRP-I and DRP-II pads, which i see used from time to time have great steel drum patches. unfortunately NOT midi, but very cool and cheap - just saw one foor $35 at the rogue music auction - good thing to check out (www.roguemusic.com) peace, all andre (east coast) btw - any zappa fans, please email me if you want info on my FZ tribute band... we played with Ike Willis this summer and will again in december... also this week *wed oct 29 in Redbank, nj* #fri oct 31 in NYC at the Lions den# info in the Village voice... but email me to get on the e-list... thanks... From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 12:45:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPw1w-0002B6-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:44:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:57:23 +0300 Message-ID: <00003E10.@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Dave Stagner Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"9O70FC.A.wWB.FvPV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/925 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:44:56 -0800 X-UIDL: af2ff0dcfda798d0e644bdea402f4fc1 ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Autor: Dave Stagner na internet Data: 27/10/1997 10:14 The JamMan doesn't TOUCH the EH16 interface! Listen to Roger Miller's "Maximum Electric Piano" work, which is the best use of the EH16 I've heard. ------------------------------------------- I also suggest Eno's On Land as a good example; if you are familiar with the EH16 it's easy to identify when he uses it. My EH16 was purchase in the early 80's by a friend in NYC directly from Mike Matthews who sad that Eno payed US 1,000.00 for a working prototype. I realy love my EH16 (and many other EH devices) and I know it very well, so fell free to make as many questions as you like. Miguel From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 04:53:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPofb-0007aK-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:53:23 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971027074728_505027015@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New DOD pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"DMhoHB.A.b4G.d2IV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/906 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 04:53:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 6aa5f9a6eb69d637ffd87b9b6469ac65 cool. thanks for the info mike. i have a dod digital delay that i love even if it only has a paltry 1 second of delay. look forward to checking the new pedal out! =-) PJ From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 05:02:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPooK-0000HH-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:02:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971027075705_-2044568372@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"QV_nsB.A.x.v_IV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/907 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:02:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 483d428d055b423f69e16977a3b088de <> Too True! (ahh, I remember that Martin D-41 I bought new in 1971 for $600...and then sold within 2 years! And the $900 Johnny Smith Gibson...) Unfortunately, it seems that musical gear is the only stuff I ever have that has a resale value! As soon as it hits the "not using it enough" threshold, I start itching to swap it for something new...it's a curse, I know, but I don't think it needs a 12-step program. dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:09 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 05:17:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPp2o-00013K-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:17:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971027081130_796138702@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"fTFVPD.A.rr.UNJV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/908 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:17:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 38108d07056502d515750b0a567c747c <> I've been gazing at Max with interest for years, and am even on the Max list...but trying to make sense of the hi-level gibberish of all those MAX-heads has been pretty fatal to my interest, not being a programmer... I know, all you programmer types think that anyone can get going with just a little effort, but I've already wasted WAY too much time trying to get anything but garbage and tech support frequent flyer miles out of WAY too many expensive software packages that just weren't plug-and-play enough for my math-free liberal arts background. And staring at a computer screen just isn't my idea of making music, much as I love the possibilities, and have been seduced by them (I even dig manuals, go figure!). I've got two Macs, a slew of arcane and expensive MIDI programs and Digidesign stuff, and am finally realizing that I'm just a hardware, dedicated-box, real-time, stomp-on-it kinda guy..... Thanks for the tip, tho! dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:10 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 05:39:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPpNu-0002Iv-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:39:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971027083244_84409602@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sounds Resent-Message-ID: <"9NOz2D.A.xyB.LhJV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/909 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:39:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 90301483c89daaa2175033fe7ea448c2 Isn't the DOD Gonkulator pedal a ring modulator? I saw a $200+ Ring mod'er called a Black Cat recently reviewed positively in Guitar World, or someplace. Also, several of the new Charlie Stringer pedals seem to have ring mod capabilities. The Boss GT-5's "intelligent" ring mod option lets a bit more of the original pitch sail thru, which is pretty useful, adding to that unit's MANY hip features... These are the days of anything you want, my friends! dpc From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:13 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 05:59:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPph7-0003Nq-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:59:01 -0800 Message-ID: <19971027135130.28523.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.138.111.31] From: "gordon peterson" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:51:29 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"hOsZ9C.A.4uC.hyJV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/910 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:59:01 -0800 X-UIDL: bc9ce4d5096df7fe38399f05c06d79ab I think that would be a GREAT idea! Also, I wanted to thank all of those that responded to my post re. info on Delay 16 reissue info. Cheers, Gordon > Does anybody have an idea on how to contact Mike Matthews (the father > of Electro Harmonix)? I think i would be a good idea to interview him > about the EH 16 seconds digital delay and include it in the Looper's > page. > > > Miguel > > >___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ >Assunto: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 >Autor: "Stephen P. Goodman" na internet >Data: 24/10/1997 11:03 > > >G. Peterson asked: > >> Now that electro-harmonix has resurfaced (new sensor ltd.), and reissued >> the Q-tron, I am wondering if they have any plans in the works to do the >> same with the much coveted Delay 16? > >I've called them, and they say "next year" they will be producing a new >Delay 16 pedal. > >Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios >EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 05:58:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPpgJ-0003Jb-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:58:11 -0800 Message-Id: <97Oct27.075548cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:52:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: 2 questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZiK7I.A.VxC.CzJV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/911 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:58:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 964019936e605d4de2da5a582ba57561 Loop Docs- We are burning eproms as we (I) speak. The incredible Pat Mutphy will be shipping all orders within the next couple of weeks. Tom At 03:33 PM 10/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >The LoOpDoctOrs dutifully sent in their fifty bucks for the Echoplex upgrade >several weeks ago and we have seen nada. > >Hope this doesn't mean Oberheim is in an infinite loop with no feedback. > >Best, >the LoOpDoctOrs > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 11:52:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 11:05:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPuTL-0000pv-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:05:07 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: Stereo JamMan Looping Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 15:02:39 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4eBjnD.A.iOH.iPOV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/920 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:05:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 8bcd7b69ce70b04a73f896883524211b Michael P. Hughes wrote, in part: >PS UK users, anyone wanna buy some JamMan RAM? Since the recent confusion >over stereo JamMen not working, the "spare set" for my planned-for JM2 will >never be used. Mail me if interested... so, I thought an update on my previous Jammidimystery posts should be inserted here. Don't sell that extra ram quite yet Michael, stereo looping w/2 jamthings IS possible - as I have recently discovered after much trial and tribulation. I finally got this to work *PERFECTLY* by replacing two pieces of support gear. I picked up a Digitech PMC 10 which replaced the DMC Ground Control. The PMC 10 has midi in with merge and filter to the midi out, so I now have an external clock (drum machine) out front with it's clock being merged with the program change commands from the PMC 10. I also replaced my rack mixer with one which includes a 4x8 midi patchbay (Tascam MM200). Now the clock and program change from the PMC 10 are sent to each jamman individually, in parallel, and it works perfectly w/jammen *in sync* and both jammen responding to program change messages simultaneously. When some drift is desirable, I just shut off the drum machine so that each jamman runs on its own clock. When the drum machine is undesirable I just mute its audio output but leave the clock running. The drum machine in this set up could be replaced by a sequencer,or any other source of clock and the mixer/patchbay could simply be a midi thru box or a stand alone patchbay. Also, by leaving the Lexicon foot switches connected you can control the jamman individually while still maintaining sync between them (this can also be done simply by connecting midi out to midi in but you won't get the simultaneous/stereo looping option *on the fly* this way). Phil From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 07:30:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPr7b-000477-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:30:27 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00003D65.@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:26:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"S5EfOD.A.GXD.MILV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/912 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:30:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 89b0262591477bbecd9f0dc2f06b1524 Miguel wrote: > It has a good fidelity if you stay at short delay time (at 16 sec. the > high end suffers a lot); noise is ok even if you record line. It also > sends a clock pulse out. Has anybody tried driving the Echoplex DP using this clock pulse? How does it work? __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 09:21:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsr2-0006P4-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:21:28 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:53:51 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: jamman upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"s9zPuC.A.fZF.nwMV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/917 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:21:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 3396cb25c3d67176bffa3fc75b3f98e1 hello, i've just sent this message to Bob Sellon (the JamMan Genius at Lexicon) and i'm waiting for a reply. if anyone has some news, please let me know. ciao nicos >Hello, i've read about a jamman upgrade in Loopers-Delight >>http://www.annihilist.com. >Do you have some news? >Do you think it will be possible to send to switzerland (me and a couple >of >jamfriends are in a very excited wait É)? >It is true that Lexicon has produced and sell 8000 jamman ? > >Thanks >(i hope my english is good enough to deserve a reply) > >With kind regards, nicolas monguzzi From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:30 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 08:23:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPrwa-00007T-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:23:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:14:50 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 In-Reply-To: <971024183108_863681844@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4U4qh.A.i2G.M5LV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/913 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:23:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 2349780fe71b07f06e8eba80994597de On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > i think the jamman does most of the things the eh does but no speed up or > slow down. i have a digitech delay that speeds up and slows down but doesn' t > do the backwards thing. the digitech also has kind of lame fidelity unlike > the jamman which sounds great. does the eh have good or bad fidelity? is it > noisy or quiet? PJ The JamMan doesn't TOUCH the EH16 interface! Listen to Roger Miller's "Maximum Electric Piano" work, which is the best use of the EH16 I've heard. Most of it would be entirely impossible on the JamMan. Mixing forwards and bacwards, octave jumps in speed/pitch, variable modulation, the ability to turn infinite looping on and off... the EH16 excels at these things. As for "fidelity"... well, from a bandwidth/distortion standpoint, the EH16 sucks. So do electric guitars, though. And, like the distorted electric guitar, the EH16 has a very musical, warm tone. Most modern digital effects have great specs on paper, but sound dry and lifeless when playing real music. I'd much rather have something that sounds *musical*, even if it doesn't spec well. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 08:57:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsTw-00042U-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:57:36 -0800 X-ROUTED: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:46:16 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Reissue Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:39:22 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.12172.19747@204.138.111.54 Resent-Message-ID: <"tdXGtD.A.nlC.dWMV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/914 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:57:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 82bc3b8c74ae25eb98505ba03c0c9214 For those interested, I just sent this post off in response to a reply from one of the folks at New Sensor, re. Delay 16 reissue. I will let you know how they respond when I receive it. > From: kevin@sovtek.com >We are currently working on a reissue 16 second delay. It is >taking us a > while since the technology used in the original is pretty much obsolete so > we want to make the new version "state of the art." I would say a safe bet > would be about 1 year from now, give or take six months Kevin, many thanks for the reply. If you don't mind I would like to make a few comments on your reissue. I think I can safely speak for myself and the many professionals I work with, when I say I hope you do not lose the attractive aspects of the original in your attempt to make it 'state of the art'. There are many pedals and devices on the market now that cover much, if not all of the ground the delay 16 did and do so in a 'state of the art' way, i.e.. Boomerang, Echoplex, Jam man, etc. The reason the delay 16 is still so popular, is its warm sonics and its intuitive user friendliness. If you were to do nothing but faithfully copy the original, you would have a very popular pedal indeed. I am not sure if you are aware but the Delay 16 is one of the most sought after pedals of its kind today. It sells for upwards of $1,400US, and the foot controller for $900US and up. If however some of the components to reproduce the original are no longer available then I suppose that is another scenario you must work out. I would very much be interested in hearing your thoughts and plans on this. Regards, Gordon ---------- From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 09:00:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsWQ-0004NE-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:10 -0800 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9710270945.0DPG800@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:45:25 -0700 Subject: 10 questions To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"p56ssB.A.p4C.1YMV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/915 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 9edb4e4148452cbfb839c9e19ff6241f Dear Loopers, In the pursuit of more information about looping and loopers I put the following ten questions to Bill Forth, of the band 10 Seconds, and he was kind enough to reply. I thought I would share what follows with you. ******************** >1. What do you recall as being your earliest exposure to music > that featured looping as part of the audio image? The church my parent's took me to as a child was my favorite away-from-home listening space. It was very ambient with a long, reverberant echo. I remember the choir overlapping in and out in transition. So, I think of the repetitive figures of canons as signal loops of a sort, and this would be my earliest point of reference. >2. What was the first looping device that you had an opportunity > to use yourself and how was that experience? My Dad had a Wollensak two-track tape machine, which I secretly commandeered after school. I read that you could make loops out of tape, so I tried making loops with scotchtape and supporting the tension of the tape with household objects like cans and a carpet sweeper. I cut out a big section of tape from a recording by the Hawaiian singer, Alfred Apaka, then accidentally flipped it over, stuck it together, and trimmed it with scissors. With the tape spinning around the living room it was more fun than a train set and it sounded hilarious, and my dog, Smokey, was howling along with it. Every time the splice came around it would make a loud pop and he would bark. I also learned how to control feedback with help from my dog... I used to find a feedback tone with the whammy bar that would make him howl, and wobble it around to keep him going as long as possible. But, I digress... That is a tape loop, rather than a signal loop, and I think that was the intent of your question, so: the first time I made a signal loop was with an Akai 2 track with sound-on-sound. I still have the machine, and it has a really great sound. We had a short wave radio with a headphone output, so I jammed a cord in that, plugged it in the Akai and dialed in radio frequencies, all kinds of jabbering and that big buzzeroo the Soviets used to broadcast to jam the Voice of America. All this stuff was the most fun a teenager could have on a rainy day. > >3. How many different types of loop processors have you had the > experience of working with and how would you view the relative > merits of the equipment versus your musical needs? I'm a gearhead, but I can be a lot more charmed by a simple piece of gear I can apply in a way it wasn't designed for, than by something high-end that gives me too many options. We live in amazing times in terms of the technology we can access, but I find more and more that I prefer the blurred edges of the analog world. For example, nothing compares to tube amps! I have an expanded Boomerang which, down and dirty, is an outstanding phrase sampler. But, it also drops a decibel in signal level with each overdub, and that disappoints me a little. The Lexicon Jam Man is very good within it's limits, and having midi capacity is helpful, but I find the way that the pedal-controls are mapped out illogical. I've dabbled with TC 2290's and they are astonishing machines, but so complex, I'm not sure I would make the investment. Sometimes it seems like the more a piece of gear can do, the more I will get lost inside tweaking it, rather than just producing something, so just now, I am trying to streamline the signal path. On the other hand, I'd love to get my hands on an Eventide H3000. > >4. Do you listen to loop oriented work by other artists and if > so who do you listen to most often and why? Not any more, but in the field of electronic music, the work of Iannis Xenakis and Burt Goldstein have been inspirational; also Ligeti, Stockhausen, Schnittke, Bartok, Berg, P=E4rt, all the key modern texturalists. Among prominent loopers, I like Carl Stone's work for his cleverness, Eno's work for dimension and Robert Fripp's work for everything I can't put into words. I heard Robert work nightly on the first leg of the G3 American tour, and he is dialing up incomparable atmospheres with chromatic substitutions. He knows what he is going for harmonically, and at the same time, he is discovering it as he goes along. Most of the looping I happen on is modal and repetitive, more rhythmic patterning than going anywhere in a diatonic sense. So, I find his work wonderfully challenging by contrast, both technically and emotionally. >5. What are you currently using in the way of looping gear in a > live or studio format? > A 4 Megabyte Boomerang, a pair of Rocktron Intellifex units, stomp boxes, guitars and tube amps, an old Akai two track machine, cassettes and DATs. Stay tuned for Part 2........ B. Helm From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 09:00:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsWP-0004N1-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:09 -0800 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9710270945.0DPJ200@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:45:30 -0700 Subject: 10q part2 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"d6vABC.A.J6C._YMV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/916 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:00:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 522a2009a3cf3c7ca6666e262688f775 Dear Loopers, Here is Part 2 of my 10 questions for Bill Forth. PART 2: >6. What are your current musical pursuits and how would you > define the role of looping as it applies to them? I am not interested in hearing anything that sounds like it came out of a computer. Ten Seconds experimented with combining slamming grooves and ambient textures; I'd like to go further, in a darker vein. I currently use looping as both a composer's sketchpad and as a device for coming up with textures with a guitar that wouldn't fall out of the sky otherwise. I'm working more quickly these days, but I am also trying to consider the notes. The fun part of looping is that it's all about play. I will often just begin with a simple idea and try to squeeze some movement out of it, for example, the following pandiatonioc sequence: C / E / G / A C / E / G / B C / G / E / A / D I'd might then play that in three octaves, then reverse the recording, then play the same sequence of notes in reverse, reverse that recording, then improvise further. Or, turn it off. >7. What instrument would you most like to hear undergo a > "good looping", as it were? I would most like to hear a clavier =E0 lumi=E8res. >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to > developing composition skills and playing technique? > It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding "playing technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. >9. What in particular appeals to you about looping and do > you find that appeal translates for other listeners and > players and why? > Does it translate? Sometimes. While a piece may become trance-inducing, even transcendant, at other times, the same piece might bore the pants off you. I would suppose that the appeal of loopage will depend on the mood of the listener, on the quality of effort the listener is willing to make, and the quality of the performance. I am certain that the ear can absorb only so much repetition stimulus and complexity; at some point one begins to hear things that aren't there. When the texture and patterning become sufficiently complex, it becomes an aural field of projection... the listener then attempts to organize the information that is, very often, all too much. The ear naturally makes it's own choices, and perhaps opens a pathway in the brain one wouldn't get to otherwise. That's when things begin to get really interesting: if we are listening at that point, we may possibly hear something real. >10. What question in relation to looping would you most like > to have asked of other loopers, and how would you > answer? > Who has the best price on DAT tape in L.A.? My thanks to Bill Forth for his time and thoughts. Bryan Helm Techno-primitive Tantrum Boy From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 08:57:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsTl-00040u-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:57:25 -0800 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Mon Oct 27 08:56:51 1997 Received: from zeus.maxtor.com [134.6.32.3] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsT5-0003ny-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:56:43 -0800 Received: from Longmont64.Maxtor.COM (longmont64.mlm.maxtor.com [134.6.79.210]) by zeus.maxtor.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA17174 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:55:47 -0700 Received: by Longmont64.Maxtor.COM with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 27 Oct 97 9:54:55 MST Old-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 9:54:58 MST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: Subject: Undeliverable Message X-Incognito-SN: 368 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Diagnostic: Mail to Dpcoffin@aol.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:57:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ecab330d29c0ba07e1656b632eb594d To: ISMTP@Longmont64@MCO[] Cc: Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #180 Message not delivered to recipients below. Press F1 for help with VNM error codes. VNM3043: Bret Moreland@Eng67@MCO VNM3043 -- MAILBOX IS FULL The message cannot be delivered because the recipient's mailbox contains the maximum number of messages, as set by the system administrator. The recipient must delete some messages before any other messages can be delivered. The maximum message limit for a user's mailbox is 10,000. The default message limit is 1000 messages. Administrators can set message limits using the Mailbox Settings function available in the Manage User menu (MUSER). When a user's mailbox reaches the limit, the user must delete some of the messages before the mailbox can accept any more incoming messages. ---------------------- Original Message Follows ---------------------- Content-Type: text/plain Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 180 Today's Topics: Re: metal footcontroller enclosures [ Tom Spaulding ] Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 [ "T.W. Hartnett" ] Re: It could be a new looping device [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: Re: It could be a new looping de [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] RE: ring mod signals & Re: marimba, [ Todd Pafford ] Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou [ pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pyc ] Re: 2 questions [ Fmplautus@aol.com ] Re: marimba, kalimba, steel drum sou [ andre ] Re: New DOD pedal [ PJBMHB@aol.com ] Re: Re: Vortex for sale [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: Re: It could be a new looping de [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: RE: ring mod signals & Re: marim [ Dpcoffin@aol.com ] Re: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 [ "gordon peterson" ] Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 [ Chris Chovit ] Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 [ Dave Stagner ] Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Reissue [ "G. Peterson" From kflint Mon Oct 27 13:29:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPwjB-0006KK-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:29:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3454CDA7.675C@hhmi.upenn.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:21:52 +0000 From: "Robert S. Carter" Reply-To: rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo JamMan Looping References: <3.0.1.16.19971027222930.2e1719fa@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"js4MXB.A.OKF.zXQV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/927 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:29:37 -0800 X-UIDL: de475b1d980dd75f4bd4fec3fa7f3e5b Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > > Hmmm.... doesn't that mean that the loop length can no longer be tapped in, > but is determined by the tempo of the drum machine? Or would you need a > _third_ jamman soley for setting the drum machine tempo...? :) > > Michael This arrangement of having the JamMan slaved to an external clock can be quite advantageous I believe. The drum machine/sequencer sets the tempo and acts as a metronome. the front panel setting on the JamMan sets the loop length. Maybe I use this setup frequently because I can't play and hit the pedal at the same time. I'm not kidding, I'm lousy at closing a loop. I work best starting the loop and knowing I've got 16 beats to go... If tapping tempo is important, certain drum machines and hard ware sequencers do have tap functions. I have a MIDI Solutions,inc. "Pedal controller" that will convert taps to MIDI clock.I split that signal with a patchbay and send parallel clock signals to my JamMan, my Nord lead synth (doing rhythmic LFOs and arpeggios) and a sequencer. BOB. From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 11:52:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 09:51:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPtKB-0001Uu-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:51:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: KenO3@aol.com Message-ID: <971027124225_136393700@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: What about an EH 64 sec loopin' device? Resent-Message-ID: <"w-30TC.A.C3.iNNV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/919 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:51:35 -0800 X-UIDL: ade1036964dd5a497b63d0f514adecb4 Greetings, Not trying to add fuel to the threads on the EH 16 second delay...but Anyone happen to notice a picture of a Electro Harmonix 64 second delay, rackmount device in a Summer issue of Guitar Shop (Eddie Van Halen cover)? The mag fearture article is an interview with Mike Mathews. Savvy readers will also note a picture of the Q-Tron envelope follower--shown prior to the public disclosure. What's up with that, eh? Ken From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 11:52:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 11:09:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPuXB-0001GK-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:09:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: Mtdimin@aol.com Message-ID: <971027135428_-1863572633@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"2GCyyB.A.Ij.dVOV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/921 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:09:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b4ad3615f952c8d0e8fe0bf4cdf8288 In a message dated 97-10-27 11:53:30 EST, you write: willing to trade Cakewalk 6.0 new in box, sound blaster 32 for Jam Man. Or if you want to donate it to a school (very worthwhile and tax deductable). Please contact me at mtdimin@aol.com Mike Dimin From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 12:26:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPvk5-0000FH-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:26:29 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291500AD@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob (Exchange)" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: jamman upgrade Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:29:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"5Vic8B.A._2G.ZdPV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/923 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:26:29 -0800 X-UIDL: f16a47366cfd1db5160028be53667e18 Sorry it's taken me so long to report back on the JamMan upgrade but unfortunately, things have not gone that well. Officially, the JamMan deal with Lexicon fell through. Being an employee of Lexicon, they were concerned about the destraction of starting a buisness on the side so they kept putting me off and off and off. Finally, I decided that, even if I was able to cut a deal, it would end up being a major pain in the ass (I am a programmer and a musician, not a businessman/shipper and recieiver). I want to spend my time programming and playing music not accounting/shipping and receiving. It would just be too much of a hit on my other activities. However,....all is not lost. I am a valued employee at Lexicon and they seemed to have noticed my preoccupation with looping. Quite unofficially, there are some low level rumblings of folding some of my newer looping stuff into a not so distant future Lexicon product. I can't go into the details but, they are listening to customer requests and they do count the inquires on the Lexicon web page (lexicon.com). If you want Lexicon to make looping products, YOU have to tell them. They hear it from me and they think it's just this preoccupation of mine. Meanwhile, I am still working on software that will run on the JamMan platform and have been authorized by Lexicon to use outside resources to test conceptual ideas. Many people have inquired to me directly about upgrading their JamMen. I will contact them each on a one to one basis to go over the details. Anyone interested in this should contact me directly at bsellon@lexicon.com. Make sure the word "JamMan" is in the subject. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec Software Engineer bsellon@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: nicomonguzzi[SMTP:nicomonguzzi@vtx.ch] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 12:19 PM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: jamman upgrade > > hello, i've just sent this message to Bob Sellon (the JamMan Genius at > Lexicon) and i'm waiting for a reply. > if anyone has some news, please let me know. > ciao nicos > > > >Hello, i've read about a jamman upgrade in Loopers-Delight > >>http://www.annihilist.com. > >Do you have some news? > >Do you think it will be possible to send to switzerland (me and a > couple > >of >jamfriends are in a very excited wait ?)? > >It is true that Lexicon has produced and sell 8000 jamman ? > > > >Thanks > >(i hope my english is good enough to deserve a reply) > > > >With kind regards, nicolas monguzzi > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:11 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 12:14:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPvYI-0006ni-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:14:18 -0800 X-ROUTED: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:07:20 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Delay 16 Reply Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:00:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.11362.2541@204.138.111.59 Resent-Message-ID: <"WFc56D.A.t6F.6SPV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/922 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:14:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c8dd0a5405bd8829b003d10a19b8d83 Well here it is, straight from the horses mouth as it were... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Thanks for your reply. I am painfully aware of the current market value of the 16 second, since I am a player/collector myself. I also understand the neccessity to keep the sonic qualities and user interface of the original. I will say that although there are units which do what the 16second does, none of them sound anywhere near as good as it does. Also, to "remake" the unit in the original manner would be foolish, considering the fact that the technology used then and that used now are quite different. I assure you that the unit will sound as good or better than the original, be more useful, and cost less. Cheers, Kevin Bolembach New Sensor Corp. > > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 12:28:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPvla-0000QS-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:28:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971027151042_1402318841@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: 2 questions Resent-Message-ID: <"zUxNiB.A.qHH.8fPV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/924 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:28:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 574bab838fda750d6df6587dc1ff371e The LoOpDoctOrs thank you Tom. No infinite loop and full feedback. We are impressed! Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:27 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 13:43:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPwww-0007mr-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:43:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:41:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: RE: jamman upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"7AXRiC.A.hmG.OlQV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/928 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:43:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c9b52521265e2a1dbfe8a33f8965666 So I take it the JamMan upgrade is OFF from this response ...??? >Sorry it's taken me so long to report back on the JamMan upgrade but >unfortunately, things have not gone that well. Officially, the JamMan >deal with Lexicon fell through. Being an employee of Lexicon, they were >concerned about the destraction of starting a buisness on the side so >they kept putting me off and off and off. Finally, I decided that, even >if I was able to cut a deal, it would end up being a major pain in the >ass (I am a programmer and a musician, not a businessman/shipper and >recieiver). I want to spend my time programming and playing music not >accounting/shipping and receiving. It would just be too much of a hit on >my other activities. > >However,....all is not lost. I am a valued employee at Lexicon and they >seemed to have noticed my preoccupation with looping. Quite >unofficially, there are some low level rumblings of folding some of my >newer looping stuff into a not so distant future Lexicon product. I >can't go into the details but, they are listening to customer requests >and they do count the inquires on the Lexicon web page (lexicon.com). If >you want Lexicon to make looping products, YOU have to tell them. They >hear it from me and they think it's just this preoccupation of mine. > >Meanwhile, I am still working on software that will run on the JamMan >platform and have been authorized by Lexicon to use outside resources to >test conceptual ideas. Many people have inquired to me directly about >upgrading their JamMen. I will contact them each on a one to one basis >to go over the details. Anyone interested in this should contact me >directly at bsellon@lexicon.com. Make sure the word "JamMan" is in the >subject. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec >Software Engineer >bsellon@lexicon.com > >> ---------- >> From: nicomonguzzi[SMTP:nicomonguzzi@vtx.ch] >> Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 12:19 PM >> To: bsellon@lexicon.com >> Subject: jamman upgrade >> >> hello, i've just sent this message to Bob Sellon (the JamMan Genius at >> Lexicon) and i'm waiting for a reply. >> if anyone has some news, please let me know. >> ciao nicos >> >> >> >Hello, i've read about a jamman upgrade in Loopers-Delight >> >>http://www.annihilist.com. >> >Do you have some news? >> >Do you think it will be possible to send to switzerland (me and a >> couple >> >of >jamfriends are in a very excited wait ?)? >> >It is true that Lexicon has produced and sell 8000 jamman ? >> > >> >Thanks >> >(i hope my english is good enough to deserve a reply) >> > >> >With kind regards, nicolas monguzzi >> >> >> Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 14:19:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPxVh-0003Ao-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:19:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:05:14 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971027151447_1336109947@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"j7kT5C.A.gSC.WGRV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/929 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:19:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ba4e95039ac1caa1a093bcd80dc9814 Dave... The LoOpDoctOrs agree that the EH is the milk of the mother of loopers, but we have to say that for a digital device the Jamman sounds GREAT. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:19:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 17:03:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ03p-0003V0-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:03:09 -0800 X-ROUTED: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:53:34 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Boomerang Address Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:46:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.5176.1192@204.138.111.22 Resent-Message-ID: <"vmu6GC.A.zaC.VfTV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/931 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:03:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 1e07fd04e16c1b936786882ce290b68a Would someone mind sending me the email address for the people behind the boomerang...their sight takes way to long to open... Cheers, gp ---------- > From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > To: Rainham > Subject: jamman upgrade > Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 12:18 PM > > > hello, i've just sent this message to Bob Sellon (the JamMan Genius at > Lexicon) and i'm waiting for a reply. > if anyone has some news, please let me know. > ciao nicos > > > >Hello, i've read about a jamman upgrade in Loopers-Delight > >>http://www.annihilist.com. > >Do you have some news? > >Do you think it will be possible to send to switzerland (me and a couple > >of >jamfriends are in a very excited wait É)? > >It is true that Lexicon has produced and sell 8000 jamman ? > > > >Thanks > >(i hope my english is good enough to deserve a reply) > > > >With kind regards, nicolas monguzzi > > From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:59 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 16:55:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPzvx-0002bo-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:55:01 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: more on the DOD pedal Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:53:14 +0100 Message-ID: <19971028005313734.AAA212@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"B0SqY.A.JnB.qXTV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/930 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:55:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 5feebfbe15455943b3ce8ae428b657b0 At 18.54 27/10/97, you wrote: >It costs £130 UK (probably $130, maybe less), 8 sec forward 4sec reverse >and hold, but no mention of a tap-tempo facility. Now that _would_ be useful. > >Michael > >PS UK users, anyone wanna buy some JamMan RAM? Since the recent confusion >over stereo JamMen not working, the "spare set" for my planned-for JM2 will >never be used. Mail me if interested... > > > > Hi How much for the Zip?? And shipping to Italy? Leo From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 09:43:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 09:25:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPsuZ-0006ot-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:25:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971027185408.29af85cc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:54:08 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: more on the DOD pedal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"UkVz0D.A.coF.BzMV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/918 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:25:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 00ac9df1ec804c0fa09767744b893267 It costs £130 UK (probably $130, maybe less), 8 sec forward 4sec reverse and hold, but no mention of a tap-tempo facility. Now that _would_ be useful. Michael PS UK users, anyone wanna buy some JamMan RAM? Since the recent confusion over stereo JamMen not working, the "spare set" for my planned-for JM2 will never be used. Mail me if interested... From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:19:13 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 18:38:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ1Xl-00047V-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:38:09 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:32:57 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: more on the DOD pedal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971027185408.29af85cc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ay_kzB.A.nfD.X8UV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/932 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:38:09 -0800 X-UIDL: ec4dd0b8870b54212952bb51c0ee2e84 On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: > It costs £130 UK (probably $130, maybe less), 8 sec forward 4sec reverse > and hold, but no mention of a tap-tempo facility. Now that _would_ be useful. Just got the new American Musical Supply catalog. It goes for $99.50 US. Four knobs: Mix, Delay, Repeat, Mode. It looks like it's pretty much the succesor to the old Digitech RDS pedals. No tap-tempo from what I can tell. It looks pretty much like the succesor to sister company Digitech's PDS pedals. They do mention it has an 18 bit signal path though. The name is FX-98 "Delay-O-Matic" -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:19:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 19:10:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ23M-0006Xf-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:10:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3455576A.7A71@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:09:30 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Address References: TCPSMTP_GEN.5176.1192@204.138.111.22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qmuoYB.A.ZuF.WZVV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/933 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:10:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d9bc54be16e04caba774c3341dc5212 G. Peterson wrote: > > Would someone mind sending me the email address for the people behind the > boomerang...their sight takes way to long to open... >From the horse's mouth: Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:19:23 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 19:20:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ2Ch-0007Q9-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:20:27 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971028031438.006e9d34@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:14:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Boomerang Address Resent-Message-ID: <"Og0hNB.A.idG.1iVV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/934 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:20:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 55f5458fc2ca634da6dd424a1f8ed23b At 07:46 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Would someone mind sending me the email address for the people behind the >boomerang...their sight takes way to long to open... Boomerang email: mnelson@dmans.com telephone: 1-800-530-4699 Mr. Nelson (player and rang developer) was entertaining and informative when I talked to him re: the Boomerang. He also provided some names of vendors; check with several, as asking prices varied by $30-40 for me. Could pay for a night out? Good luck.. Grover From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:19:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 19:51:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ2ge-0002T7-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:51:24 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971028034447.006dbd60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:44:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"Nv7xHD.A.QsB.H_VV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/935 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:51:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 83216afb86becf97da689787a57c3746 At 01:34 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >Microsoft is pushing both firewire and USB, and both are supposed to be part >of Windows 98. USB will be on everything, while firewire is a high bandwidth >option for medium and high-end machines, especially those for multimedia >applications. Sort of like how now, every machine has a printer port, but >not everything has ethernet or scsi. Firewire is supposed to replace things >like scsi, parallel ports, and ethernet for some applications. It will be >used for audio, digital video, disk drives, dvd drives, scanners, printers, >digital cameras, etc. In this context, musical instruments are another pc >peripheral and would be expected to have this interface too. Kim, WOW. From a non-EE perspective, you've e-mailed some pretty provocative prose about firewire and MIDI. So... when do I look for on-the-fly looping capabilities (with foot control!) plugged into a notebook-style computer? Will Digitech, Boomerang, Oberheim EP, etc. continue to be the most best looping tools for several years? Also sounds like MIDI is becoming dinosaur-ish. As a guitar-MIDI- dabbler (AXON), I'm fascinated. I'd love to hear more about what you see coming. Thanks again for all your looper e-mail work and the looping comments/information. BTW, DID YOU visit Tom at Oberheim?? Grover From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:19:28 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 20:37:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ3Ol-0005fY-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:36:59 -0800 Message-ID: <34556B19.3E04@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:33:29 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: member Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nWCA6D.A.l8E.yrWV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/936 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:36:59 -0800 X-UIDL: c4669e51ec07f8f852377a26e314bc4e hello SIGHN ME UP eMAIL PISKO@IX.NETCOM.COM From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 01:56:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ8Np-0000Yl-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:56:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:49:09 +0300 Message-ID: <00003EBB.@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[3]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Fmplautus@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ua6EsC.A.FJ.0WbV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/941 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:56:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f57c48b5bf836ff8bcded7816bafc38 Yes, tthis is the reason why we want everything. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Autor: Fmplautus@aol.com na internet Data: 27/10/1997 16:05 Dave... The LoOpDoctOrs agree that the EH is the milk of the mother of loopers, but we have to say that for a digital device the Jamman sounds GREAT. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon Oct 27 22:18:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 13:00:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xPwGe-0003dS-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:00:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971027222930.2e1719fa@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:29:30 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Stereo JamMan Looping Cc: pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-_id5C.A.8yC.48PV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/926 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:00:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 512a33ebc50f048b9def8be68f413945 Carpe Diem! >Don't sell that extra ram quite yet Michael, stereo looping w/2 jamthings >IS possible - as I have recently discovered after much trial and >tribulation. It all sounds very impressive! >I finally got this to work *PERFECTLY* by replacing two pieces of support >gear. I picked up a Digitech PMC 10 which replaced the DMC Ground >Control. The PMC 10 has midi in with merge and filter to the midi out, so >I now have an external clock (drum machine) out front with it's clock >being merged with the program change commands from the PMC 10. >The drum machine in this set up could be replaced by a sequencer,or any >other source of clock and the mixer/patchbay could simply be a midi thru >box or a stand alone patchbay. Hmmm.... doesn't that mean that the loop length can no longer be tapped in, but is determined by the tempo of the drum machine? Or would you need a _third_ jamman soley for setting the drum machine tempo...? :) Michael From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 00:26:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Oct 27 23:48:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ6Nc-0001Q9-00; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:48:00 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971027081130_796138702@emout11.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:40:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"wfPv7B.A.X6._cZV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/937 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:48:00 -0800 X-UIDL: eb6959b009660fd1a043a3556fddcac1 At 8:11 AM -0500 10/27/97, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: ><Opcode's Max. ... >advantage of max is you program it, so it's uniquely your thing and you >don't have to be confined to someone else's ideas, or their need to make a >profit.>> >I've been gazing at Max with interest for years, and am even on the Max >list...but trying to make sense of the hi-level gibberish of all those >MAX-heads has been pretty fatal to my interest, not being a programmer... Actually, most of the real programmers I know couldn't relate to max at all, and hated it. Most of the musicians had no trouble. The graphical approach seems to require a different sort of conceptualization of things than writing C code, and better appeals to creative types in my experience. Don't let the nerdy types fool you.... >I know, all you programmer types think that anyone can get going with just a >little effort, but I've already wasted WAY too much time trying to get >anything but garbage and tech support frequent flyer miles out of WAY too >many expensive software packages that just weren't plug-and-play enough for >my math-free liberal arts background. >And staring at a computer screen just isn't my idea of making music, much as >I love the possibilities, and have been seduced by them (I even dig manuals, >go figure!). I've got two Macs, a slew of arcane and expensive MIDI programs >and Digidesign stuff, and am finally realizing that I'm just a hardware, >dedicated-box, real-time, stomp-on-it kinda guy..... >Thanks for the tip, tho! >dpc I would say, just try it. I find max to be perfect for the more real time stuff. I can quickly make it do exactly what I want, rather than spending time trying to dicipher a poorly documented function in some other device to force it to my needs. And I can put big ol sliders and knobs on the screen to control things the way I want to, and activate them with the mouse or some other external controller. I don't use it much, but it's real handy when I need it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 00:26:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 00:00:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ6Zf-0002KR-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:00:27 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B4907090F@www.ihs.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:54:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"ke2T1D.A.K0B.rpZV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/938 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:00:27 -0800 X-UIDL: c4c63a369250790ac215dbe3b080c54a I just remembered where this thread started..... >Hi out there. > >I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out >there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there" >is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different >that other products on the market. >Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you >would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions >will be appreciated. well, I'm not giving away my ideas, but some advice if you want to avoid my flaming wrath: a) use a real power supply, not wall warts! b) if there is a bypass, make it a true bypass or make the audio path clean enough that nobody can tell. c) don't use the wrong type of capacitors in the audio path or crappy sounding opamps. Good audio circuit design always! d) build it to last, for real musicians to use and abuse. Don't design your products like shoddy consumer electronics. e) if you go digital, use good quality convertors. The prices are low, use the good stuff. >I don't think and hope that this letter in anyway break to rules for >this list. After all, we will all benefit from this. I certainly don't have a problem with it. :-) Love to hear more about what you are up to. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 00:29:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ72C-0003rH-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:29:56 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971028034447.006dbd60@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:24:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Firewire (IEEE1394) interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"I0tOF.A.ZTD.sFaV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/939 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:29:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 68a0f2a239111e38c43a024d22d9a50d At 9:44 PM -0600 10/27/97, Grover Sheffield wrote: >At 01:34 PM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Microsoft is pushing both firewire and USB, and both are supposed to be part >>of Windows 98. USB will be on everything, while firewire is a high bandwidth >>option for medium and high-end machines, especially those for multimedia >>applications. Sort of like how now, every machine has a printer port, but >>not everything has ethernet or scsi. Firewire is supposed to replace things >>like scsi, parallel ports, and ethernet for some applications. It will be >>used for audio, digital video, disk drives, dvd drives, scanners, printers, >>digital cameras, etc. In this context, musical instruments are another pc >>peripheral and would be expected to have this interface too. > > >Kim, > WOW. From a non-EE perspective, you've e-mailed some pretty >provocative prose about firewire and MIDI. So... when do I look for >on-the-fly looping capabilities (with foot control!) plugged into a >notebook-style computer? Will Digitech, Boomerang, Oberheim EP, etc. >continue to be the most best looping tools for several years? I think devices like these have plenty of years left in them. A dedicated item can always beat a general purpose one. What you will see is the continued blurring of the lines between PCs and consumer electronics, appliances, etc. The PC will expand off the desktop boundary, and other devices (like musical instruments) will acquire more pc-like features, and will more easily connect to them. Thats not to say things become more complicated to use, on the contrary, average items should become smarter and make themselves easier to use. (except when microsoft is involved, natch. :-) ) > Also sounds like MIDI is becoming dinosaur-ish. As a guitar-MIDI- >dabbler (AXON), I'm fascinated. I'd love to hear more about what you see >coming. well, I'm playing an acoustic guitar in between sentences, so what do I know? I hear that techno with country samples is the next fad, they call it barnhouse. A 303 and a tele is all you need. >Thanks again for all your looper e-mail work and the looping >comments/information. BTW, DID YOU visit Tom at Oberheim?? I visited Tom at Oberheim. I often visit Tom Oberheim, but not at Oberheim. I used to see Buchla at g-wiz, but I haven't seen don or g-wiz in some time. I enjoyed seeing JT and his unique perspective again. I'm more likely to visit cnmat at ucb than ccrma, and I certainly wouldn't object to a trip to ircam. anyway.... Yes, they shipped me back to Gnashville, where I whipped their butts into an echoplexian fervor. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:38 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 00:45:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQ7H2-0004rJ-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:45:16 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: EFC-7 Measurements Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01bce37d$557cf140$81ec73cf@artmusic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"XMtb1.A.XPE.1UaV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/940 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:45:16 -0800 X-UIDL: deaf5e0dc67dbbd6e39853a5c5123b85 I was wondering if anyone with an EFC-7 footcontroller for the Plex could take out a ruler and give me the dimensions..I'm trying to build a pedalboard for my footswitches, etc and my Plex has not yet come in. I need to know how much room I should leave for it. Thanks, Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 10:56:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQGoB-0000Wv-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:56:07 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B4907090F@www.ihs.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:42:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. Resent-Message-ID: <"mYHrQD.A.iyG.fMjV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/949 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:56:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f98c87268ef158edce7dcd3632fbb27 >>Hi out there. >> >>I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out >>there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there" >>is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different >>that other products on the market. >>Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you >>would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions >>will be appreciated. How about a reasoably priced, yet high quality, line of musical instruments for kids: Product line could be: "My first anlaog synth", "My first looper"," My first fx processor", "My first PA system", etc. They would be modular and could be used by itself or with the other units. All units have simple, but interactive interfaces. Designed for kids, but high fidelity enough for anybody to use. And built to last! just an idea.... From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 03:55:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQAFR-0005eM-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:55:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D58204F42F@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: loop Subject: LOOP: Introduction Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:51:17 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"huqAtC.A.PBF.JHdV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/942 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:55:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 05c8458cffd8c0c2503f3423abc0060d Hi! I have recently found this very nice page about Looping, when I did a web search for "Soundscapes" (When will the new Fripp album finally come?). Then I subs*ribed at your list, and now I think it's time to introduce myself: My name is Juergen Haible, I am mostly interested in analogue synthesizers (old commercial ones as well as building my own ones). I love synth albums like Klaus Schulze's "X" (tape loops of a string orchestra, and a lot of electronics), Brian Eno's "On Land" as well as Robert Fripp stuff like "A Blessing of tears" and "Damage". I also have all of Eberhard Weber's albums, and I saw him live one time some years ago, doing increadible things with his bass and some delay units. Delays and Loops are something I find very fascinating, although I haven't got a unit than can do more than 1 second at the moment. I use several ones in series, however. Since a few weeks, I have a setup like this: Yamaha CS-50 as sound source (One of the best synths in terms of real time control ever!), then an Amdek delay machine (rather short BBD delay, but I can change it from flanging to echo continuously with one knob, and I have it modified with an optoelectronic limiter for very smooth distortion on 100% feedback), then a Delta Lab Effectron for 1-second loops, then a MAM Resonator filter bank to color the echoes, and finally a Dynacord SRS 56 (BBD multitap echo) for ambience. Playing this is very much fun, but I feel the 1-second loop is a severe limitation. So maybe I should buy a special loop delay in the near future. Realtime control is most important for me, as well as a pleasant sounding overload characteristic (I hate digital distortion ...). Glitch-free switching to one octave lower with one knob (no cascaded menues !) would be nice, and reverse playing, of course. What shall I look for? If you want to know more about me or my instruments, feel free to ask, or visit the page that Kevin Lightner has built up for me at http://www.synthfool.com/diy/hj.html Best Regards, JH. PS.: All mails from the loop list show only the adress of the original sender, but no hint of the list (other than the contents, of course). So it's hard to tell private mail from public mail when I want to respond. Why not generally begin the subject line with "LOOP", when it is a public (list) mail ? (Just an idea.) From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 06:41:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQCps-0001Sp-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:41:36 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F5075@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful . Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:36:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"YRn3V.A.W6.kgfV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/943 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:41:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 415bb4db6b36989db54305317c441efb >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to > developing composition skills and playing technique? > It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding "playing technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. I got a hoot out of reading this! There's nothing like that moment of exquisite pain when one realizes he or she has just pasted the "wrong" note to, what had up to that point been, a beautiful loop. David From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 13:59:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQJfC-0004Lc-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:59:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199710282135.NAA07404@scv2.apple.com> Subject: RE: It could be a new looping device. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 15:39:20 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"kuwN0C.A.RHD.j3lV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/958 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:59:02 -0800 X-UIDL: b3ac7986eb1f4d2b7142fcd74e55575e >1.have separate input and output level controls >2.add a compare feature to check before and after parameter changes >3.spend some real quality time evaluating the interface and ease of use >aspects of the processor >4.use a large display so that "modes" or "functions" used can be seen >from 15 feet away >5.make power supply usable in US & International (with switch or >automatic) >6.add return/send routing so outside effects can be inserted into the >chain too >7.have a good manual, please >8.have a keypad so users can go from set-up 24 to set-up 71 directly >from device without needing midi >9. I'd add, if it has a fuse, make it accessible from the back without having to remove the unit from the rack. Sadly, the Echoplex does not have this feature, as I discovered last weekend. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 10:31:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQGPz-0005Nd-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:31:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710281547.KAA18771@mail.colba.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:16:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LOOP: Introduction Resent-Message-ID: <"g_Y98.A.ugD.twiV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/946 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:31:07 -0800 X-UIDL: f50f05ebd44276bb05bd8448991e842e At 10:46 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >Hi, and welcome. > >Nice to see more synth people on the list. yes, definitely! Gotta dilute all these damn guitarists. I'd love to hear more about how you guys use synths in your loops, as I continue to drift in that direction.... Haible said: >PS.: All mails from the loop list show only the adress of the original >sender, but > no hint of the list (other than the contents, of course). So it's >hard to tell > private mail from public mail when I want to respond. > Why not generally begin the subject line with "LOOP", when it is >a public > (list) mail ? (Just an idea.) The "to:" line should have the "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" address. If your mail program has filtering, you can use this to organize the list into it's own mailbox. kim >BTW, I enjoyed >your page. > >Cheers, > >D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N > >"Echo is Instant Nostalgia" > > jndk@colba.net > > http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html > >---------- >> From: Haible Juergen >> To: loop >> Subject: LOOP: Introduction >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 3:51 AM >> >> Hi! >> >> I have recently found this very nice page about Looping, when I did a >> web >> search for "Soundscapes" (When will the new Fripp album finally come?). >> Then I subs*ribed at your list, and now I think it's >> time to introduce myself: >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:58:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 10:31:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQGPv-0005NK-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:31:03 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710281555.KAA19493@mail.colba.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:19:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. Resent-Message-ID: <"QhnluC.A.yzD.ZziV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/947 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:31:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 6ed9fd22d78558bdd372d28fb93b2e1a I always use the mistakes to develop the loop in a different way. Even more of a growth inspiring challenge than listening to how badly my playing has gotten lately, which I'm already keenly aware of. Or I just press Undo..... kim At 10:55 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >IMHO, After you've heard a mistake looping ad infinitum, maybe it's time >to ask yourself if it should still be considered a mistake. > >DK > >---------- >> From: David Kirkdorffer >> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially >painful. >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 6:36 AM >> >> >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to >> > developing composition skills and playing technique? >> > >> It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding "playing >> technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since >> hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. >> >> >> >> I got a hoot out of reading this! There's nothing like that moment of >> exquisite pain when one realizes he or she has just pasted the "wrong" >> note to, what had up to that point been, a beautiful loop. >> >> David ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 10:34:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQGTP-0005oJ-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:34:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971028132112_1420664158@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Are there any Italian loopers our there? Resent-Message-ID: <"vZ_dyD.A.WFE.n1iV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/948 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:34:39 -0800 X-UIDL: f9fe988c89cd8a01699e7b791c3fd340 1/3rd of the LoOpDoctOrs is going to be in Italy in November. If there are any Italian loopers who would like to link up with their American cousins, please let us know. Ciao The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 07:50:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQDuv-0006It-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:50:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199710281547.KAA18771@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: LOOP: Introduction Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:46:30 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dtjydD.A.gUF.UhgV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/944 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:50:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d58f8d9404338495562a95fbbc5950c Hi, and welcome. Nice to see more synth people on the list. BTW, I enjoyed your page. Cheers, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "Echo is Instant Nostalgia" jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html ---------- > From: Haible Juergen > To: loop > Subject: LOOP: Introduction > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 3:51 AM > > Hi! > > I have recently found this very nice page about Looping, when I did a > web > search for "Soundscapes" (When will the new Fripp album finally come?). > Then I subs*ribed at your list, and now I think it's > time to introduce myself: > From ???@??? Tue Oct 28 10:01:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 08:03:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQE6c-0007LX-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:02:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199710281555.KAA19493@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:55:00 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uRIXMB.A.nGG.opgV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/945 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:02:58 -0800 X-UIDL: fed0fea4b74c7d82c7ec2f1ee90886f9 IMHO, After you've heard a mistake looping ad infinitum, maybe it's time to ask yourself if it should still be considered a mistake. DK ---------- > From: David Kirkdorffer > To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com > Subject: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 6:36 AM > > >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to > > developing composition skills and playing technique? > > > It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding "playing > technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since > hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. > > > > I got a hoot out of reading this! There's nothing like that moment of > exquisite pain when one realizes he or she has just pasted the "wrong" > note to, what had up to that point been, a beautiful loop. > > David From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 11:51:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQHg3-0006fx-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:51:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 19:36:57 UT From: "Pete Gilbert" Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. Resent-Message-ID: <"Ggto1B.A.QIF.T_jV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/950 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:51:47 -0800 X-UIDL: f696c69ba5aabee31020abc62dcabd9f one of the "charms" of the looping technique is to figure out how to make that clunker sound like it was meant to be there. I have found two ways (other than stopping and beginning again, of course): 1. cover it up. play something else very loud to drown out the mistake. maybe stack a chord with that interesting, extra note :-) 2. add some things around the mistake that make it sound intentional. this can be tougher to do, but can lead the loop in interesting directions. does anyone else have any suggestions? Pete Gilbert (PeteGilbert@msn.com) ---------- From: Kim Flint Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 13:19 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. I always use the mistakes to develop the loop in a different way. Even more of a growth inspiring challenge than listening to how badly my playing has gotten lately, which I'm already keenly aware of. Or I just press Undo..... kim At 10:55 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >IMHO, After you've heard a mistake looping ad infinitum, maybe it's time >to ask yourself if it should still be considered a mistake. > >DK > >---------- >> From: David Kirkdorffer >> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially >painful. >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 6:36 AM >> >> >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to >> > developing composition skills and playing technique? >> > >> It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding "playing >> technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since >> hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. >> >> >> >> I got a hoot out of reading this! There's nothing like that moment of >> exquisite pain when one realizes he or she has just pasted the "wrong" >> note to, what had up to that point been, a beautiful loop. >> >> David ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:23 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 18:45:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQO87-0007ks-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:45:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:39:04 +0300 Message-ID: <00003FE9.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Street looper's. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"-qIJiB.A.tZG.3DqV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/961 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:45:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 49fad526a20c2d2d324cdf867b4ddc18 Just as a curiosity: In a recent trip to Barcelona (Spain) I had a chance to see, listen and talk to two street players that were using JamMan as part of their equipment. They were playing at the "Ramblas" using a 12V battery to power all the gear. Both used the same kind of effects were the JamMan was the most important piece among several short delay units, compact Zoom stuff etc. with a lousy amp. They met on the sreet by accident and both were left hand players. Carlos was from Amsterdam and played tapped guitar in a soft and fluid jazz style. The other musician was from Australia and played a dulcimer (used like a guitar) with a GK-2 driving a GR 50 in a more "wild" style. It was a lot of fun to see loop music performed on the street and a good school to: I noticed that they had to be very fast in order to attract people's attention, there was not much time to build up the loop and develop the idea as the "audience" did not spend more than 1 or 2 minutes listening (of course there were exceptions). Thats it. Miguel From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 11:55:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQHj7-00072C-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:54:57 -0800 Message-ID: <19971028194434.25905.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device./ Toy hubbuberie Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:44:34 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"_i42mC.A.NoF.yDkV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/951 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:54:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 0cdf31dcd9a0b54bf83431b09c508f0b I actually have relied on a great deal of "toy" material in my career- PXL2000, Dianas, Casio and Suzuki oddities, little voice whatzits. Mainly because no company in their right mind would want to forsake fidelity. Although this is changing- people now are more willing to accept the funk- (Vortex anyone?). So cheap intuitive funky modular stuff would be wonderful. Wait isn't DOD already been doing that for years? Salam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 12:38:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQIP3-0003RS-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:38:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971028153346.0070c7d4@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:33:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: RE: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vd0oVB.A.gMC.TrkV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/952 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:38:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 3aefbbf612fed5b858c3c9c91e9dc648 >one of the "charms" of the looping technique is to figure out how to make >that clunker sound like it was meant to be there. > >does anyone else have any suggestions? I'm actively involved in a non-profit organization--Music for People--that subscribes to the philosophy that there are no wrong notes. Sometimes it's a great exercise to play something as "wrong" as you can. One view is that all music consists of cycles of tension and release, and wrong notes can be a great source of tension. (Of course, once the clunker is in the loop, I'll admit it can be challenging to get to the release part, unless you have Undo in your looper.) Anyway, if you're interested in a wonderful network of music improvisors that puts on some truly inspiring workshops, I suggest you check out the Music for People home page: http://www.mjb.com/mfp/ -Len Seligman From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:26 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 12:59:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQIjJ-0005h1-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:59:13 -0800 Message-ID: <19971028204802.3880.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:48:02 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"TEQMq.A.3QE.--kV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/953 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:59:13 -0800 X-UIDL: a28b38eb3af83ccdb1f281028b47b310 One of the truly trancendent things in my quiver is to tap it to set up a polyrhythm... >one of the "charms" of the looping technique is to figure out how to make >that clunker sound like it was meant to be there. I have found two ways >(other than stopping and beginning again, of course): > >1. cover it up. play something else very loud to drown out the mistake. >maybe stack a chord with that interesting, extra note :-) > >2. add some things around the mistake that make it sound intentional. >this can be tougher to do, but can lead the loop in interesting directions. > >does anyone else have any suggestions? > >Pete Gilbert (PeteGilbert@msn.com) > >---------- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 13:19 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially >painful. > >I always use the mistakes to develop the loop in a different way. Even more >of a growth inspiring challenge than listening to how badly my playing has >gotten lately, which I'm already keenly aware of. > >Or I just press Undo..... > >kim > >At 10:55 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >>IMHO, After you've heard a mistake looping ad infinitum, maybe it's time >>to ask yourself if it should still be considered a mistake. >> >>DK >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 13:08:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQIsO-0006lp-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:08:36 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971028205808.00a1358c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:58:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"a3aev.A.XOF.lHlV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/954 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:08:36 -0800 X-UIDL: f32ba79bc1dfc6308a6e35a2d46917ea At 07:36 PM 10/28/97 UT, Pete Gilbert wrote: >one of the "charms" of the looping technique is to figure out how to make >that clunker sound like it was meant to be there. I have found two ways >(other than stopping and beginning again, of course): > >1. cover it up. play something else very loud to drown out the mistake. >maybe stack a chord with that interesting, extra note :-) > >2. add some things around the mistake that make it sound intentional. >this can be tougher to do, but can lead the loop in interesting directions. > >does anyone else have any suggestions? Another idea is to take number 2 to an extreme, and accentuate the mistake so that it becomes a dominant feature of the loop, and add new elements that relate to what had once been a mistake and is now the central theme. Along the same lines, reduce the feedback of the loop some, and take this mistake as a new direction in the loop. As the old stuff is dying away, add new elements related to the "mistake." The loop will transition to a new phase, where everything relates to the clunker element. Bring the feedback up again when the old stuff is suitably gone and the new form has suitably developed. Sometimes this means that the original mistake has died away too, leaving you just with your response to the mistake! This sort of feedback action works best when you have a way to change the size of the loop to make it shorter. On the plex, for example, you do a Multiply-Record to redefine the loop length to something shorter. That way the feedback does something in a reasonable length of time and it doesn't take an hour to transition to the new phase. Once you get to the new phase you multiply it out again. My favorite sorts of mistakes are the rhythmic ones. The repetitive nature of looping forces everything to be rhythmic in some way, so even things that are internally un-rhythmic become so by being repeated. I love this effect, and it happens best when I totally botch something that I had meant to play in time. I will usually then play off this rhythmic tension, to accentuate the new odd rhythms I've unintentionally produced. Eventually, the new rhythm begins to dominate, and I'll do the feedback tricks to take out the old stuff and resolve the rhythmic tension. anyway, back to work.... kim >Pete Gilbert (PeteGilbert@msn.com) > >---------- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 13:19 >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially >painful. > >I always use the mistakes to develop the loop in a different way. Even more >of a growth inspiring challenge than listening to how badly my playing has >gotten lately, which I'm already keenly aware of. > >Or I just press Undo..... > >kim > >At 10:55 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: >>IMHO, After you've heard a mistake looping ad infinitum, maybe it's time >>to ask yourself if it should still be considered a mistake. >> >>DK >> >>---------- >>> From: David Kirkdorffer >>> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com >>> Subject: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially >>painful. >>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 6:36 AM >>> >>> >8. Do you find looping to be a valuable pursuit in regards to >>> > developing composition skills and playing technique? >>> > >>> It can be very helpful as a compositional sketchpad. Regarding "playing >>> technique" ...looping may force you to play more carefully, since >>> hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. >>> >>> >>> >>> I got a hoot out of reading this! There's nothing like that moment of >>> exquisite pain when one realizes he or she has just pasted the "wrong" >>> note to, what had up to that point been, a beautiful loop. >>> >>> David > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 13:19:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQJ2Y-00002X-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:19:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:10:52 -0500 (EST) From: life to you is a dashing bold adventure To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: You know what I want? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GOvEHC.A.vlG.qTlV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/955 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:19:06 -0800 X-UIDL: f615bdfab4a6f1d409a2df4553643c0d A looper and a theremin. Wooo! (Wooo (woo) (wooo (woo (wooo)) woo) My hell: to know everything--except how to change anything. Chapter One is always right: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 13:31:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQJEm-0001U2-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:31:44 -0800 Date: 28 Oct 1997 21:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19971028212047.26017.qmail@omni2.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Synth Looping (was LOOP: Introduction) Resent-Message-ID: <"kA9WxC.A.bR.UdlV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/956 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:31:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 801821a2050fec199c42931b1d404812 > From: Kim Flint > Subject: Re: LOOP: Introduction > At 10:46 AM -0800 10/28/97, Julia & Dave wrote: > >Hi, and welcome. > > > >Nice to see more synth people on the list. > yes, definitely! Gotta dilute all these damn guitarists. I'd love to hear > more about how you guys use synths in your loops, as I continue to drift in > that direction.... Hahaha. I play guitar witha GR-50 so I also play a Wavestation-SR a Matrix-1000 and a Microwave from the fretboard. I love to lay down loops starting with pads and sweeps to "paint" a backdrop. Then I overdub and/or multiply this adding some guitar parts and more synth textures. I have a tendancy to get the mix a little too thick at times but by the time that happens it seem to be too late to try any "undoing". The ability to maintain and control separate loops to have them fade ion and out would be great. What do you think, do I need another Echoplex or two? Hmmmm...... - Phloide From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 13:28:03 1997 Received: from mail.exapps.com [209.48.133.7] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQJB5-0000v1-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:27:55 -0800 Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <4825TYM9>; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F507A@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Kim Flint' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: It could be a new looping device. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:29:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: af30e000929df520b53ecf7b66be4152 To add my two bits, for your new effects device -- make sure you: 1.have separate input and output level controls 2.add a compare feature to check before and after parameter changes 3.spend some real quality time evaluating the interface and ease of use aspects of the processor 4.use a large display so that "modes" or "functions" used can be seen from 15 feet away 5.make power supply usable in US & International (with switch or automatic) 6.add return/send routing so outside effects can be inserted into the chain too 7.have a good manual, please 8.have a keypad so users can go from set-up 24 to set-up 71 directly from device without needing midi 9. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 1:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. I just remembered where this thread started..... >Hi out there. > >I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out >there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there" >is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different >that other products on the market. >Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you >would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions >will be appreciated. well, I'm not giving away my ideas, but some advice if you want to avoid my flaming wrath: a) use a real power supply, not wall warts! b) if there is a bypass, make it a true bypass or make the audio path clean enough that nobody can tell. c) don't use the wrong type of capacitors in the audio path or crappy sounding opamps. Good audio circuit design always! d) build it to last, for real musicians to use and abuse. Don't design your products like shoddy consumer electronics. e) if you go digital, use good quality convertors. The prices are low, use the good stuff. >I don't think and hope that this letter in anyway break to rules for >this list. After all, we will all benefit from this. I certainly don't have a problem with it. :-) Love to hear more about what you are up to. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 13:38:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQJKk-00029W-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:37:54 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F507A@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Kim Flint' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: It could be a new looping device. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:29:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Coq_sC.A.p_.ijlV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/957 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:37:54 -0800 X-UIDL: eafcf44545ea3a44d9a3b7de1786283b To add my two bits, for your new effects device -- make sure you: 1.have separate input and output level controls 2.add a compare feature to check before and after parameter changes 3.spend some real quality time evaluating the interface and ease of use aspects of the processor 4.use a large display so that "modes" or "functions" used can be seen from 15 feet away 5.make power supply usable in US & International (with switch or automatic) 6.add return/send routing so outside effects can be inserted into the chain too 7.have a good manual, please 8.have a keypad so users can go from set-up 24 to set-up 71 directly from device without needing midi 9. -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 1:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: It could be a new looping device. I just remembered where this thread started..... >Hi out there. > >I'm in the process of establishing a company with a product line of "out >there" musical effects and accessories. What I refer to as "out there" >is anything that is wild, bizarre or in some way new and/or different >that other products on the market. >Therefore I would ask all of you "out there" people to tell me what you >would like. Everything from small ideas to complete product descriptions >will be appreciated. well, I'm not giving away my ideas, but some advice if you want to avoid my flaming wrath: a) use a real power supply, not wall warts! b) if there is a bypass, make it a true bypass or make the audio path clean enough that nobody can tell. c) don't use the wrong type of capacitors in the audio path or crappy sounding opamps. Good audio circuit design always! d) build it to last, for real musicians to use and abuse. Don't design your products like shoddy consumer electronics. e) if you go digital, use good quality convertors. The prices are low, use the good stuff. >I don't think and hope that this letter in anyway break to rules for >this list. After all, we will all benefit from this. I certainly don't have a problem with it. :-) Love to hear more about what you are up to. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 14:33:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQKC0-0007kj-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:32:56 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971028222304.00a11418@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:23:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: It could be a new looping device. Cc: "Looper's Delight" Resent-Message-ID: <"KEueo.A.GPG.QXmV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/959 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:32:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 91222ab1f2129c750ed25c0d5816a605 At 03:39 PM 10/28/97 -0000, T.W. Hartnett wrote: >>1.have separate input and output level controls >>2.add a compare feature to check before and after parameter changes >>3.spend some real quality time evaluating the interface and ease of use >>aspects of the processor >>4.use a large display so that "modes" or "functions" used can be seen >>from 15 feet away >>5.make power supply usable in US & International (with switch or >>automatic) >>6.add return/send routing so outside effects can be inserted into the >>chain too >>7.have a good manual, please >>8.have a keypad so users can go from set-up 24 to set-up 71 directly >>from device without needing midi >>9. > >I'd add, if it has a fuse, make it accessible from the back without >having to remove the unit from the rack. Sadly, the Echoplex does not >have this feature, as I discovered last weekend. sorry Travis! I agree on that one. I think the decision for the echoplex was made for cost and liability reasons. If I recall right, there was some UL type reason for putting it inside, and of course, the slick power input jacks with the little fuse drawer cost a lot more. Actually, the best option is the self-resetting fuses, that don't require replacement after they get set off. You just disconnect the power and let it sit a minute or so after you fix whatever is causing it to blow, and the fuse resets. Those are typically used in computers and workstations these days. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 00:59:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 14:51:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQKTn-0001g7-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:51:19 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: You know what I want? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:47:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01bce3f3$87e19fc0$cf4c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"kQmZkC.A.v4.wqmV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/960 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:51:19 -0800 X-UIDL: e813a38c1a1e4d21809e4adaac036516 You know what I have? -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: life to you is a dashing bold adventure To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 4:24 PM Subject: You know what I want? >A looper and a theremin. Wooo! > >(Wooo (woo) (wooo (woo (wooo)) woo) > >My hell: to know everything--except how to change anything. >Chapter One is always right: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 18:59:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQOLR-0001LS-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:58:57 -0800 X-ROUTED: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:50:20 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Re: Street looper's. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:42:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.13024.5638@204.138.111.39 Resent-Message-ID: <"62lfxB.A.bh.jSqV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/962 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:58:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 29ffb4a2792896cce858b6d9169e3704 Miguel, would you send me your email address. Cheers, Gordon rainham@connection.com ---------- > From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > To: Rainham > Subject: Street looper's. > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 9:42 PM > > > Just as a curiosity: > > In a recent trip to Barcelona (Spain) I had a chance to see, listen and talk > to two street players that were using JamMan as part of their equipment. > > They were playing at the "Ramblas" using a 12V battery to power all the gear. > > Both used the same kind of effects were the JamMan was the most important > piece among several short delay units, compact Zoom stuff etc. with a lousy > amp. > > They met on the sreet by accident and both were left hand players. > > Carlos was from Amsterdam and played tapped guitar in a soft and fluid jazz > style. > > The other musician was from Australia and played a dulcimer (used like a > guitar) with a GK-2 driving a GR 50 in a more "wild" style. > > It was a lot of fun to see loop music performed on the street and a good > school to: I noticed that they had to be very fast in order to attract > people's attention, there was not much time to build up the loop and develop > the idea as the "audience" did not spend more than 1 or 2 minutes listening > (of course there were exceptions). > > Thats it. > > Miguel > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 19:20:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQOgg-00036m-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:20:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <971028214344_218958232@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especiallypainful. Resent-Message-ID: <"RRgpWB.A.cgC.WpqV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/963 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:20:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 125b5d625c4a51936877915c410f4e76 In a message dated 97-10-28 21:05:15 EST, you write: Too bad life doesn't have an "undo" button... << To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com I always use the mistakes to develop the loop in a different way. Even more of a growth inspiring challenge than listening to how badly my playing has gotten lately, which I'm already keenly aware of. Or I just press Undo..... kim >> From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:32 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 20:20:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQPcR-0007lT-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:20:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:15:32 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: The ongoing saga of Oberheim Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"54Pn2B.A.3yG.9grV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/964 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:20:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 3606d348fc77dd854476c032d0660e82 The following information should be of interest to anyone curious as to the current state of affairs at Oberheim in general, and the company's customer service relations in particular. One week ago I recieved a phone message from Pat Murphy, stating that my Echoplex was ready to be shipped back to me. I called him shortly thereafter and spoke to him in person. He informed me that the repair work had been completed, and that my unit had recieved a new circuit board, as well as the software upgrade. He also said that my initial cashier's check for $35, sent to cover the initial repair and processing costs, would be returned to me, and that the second check, for $45, which I had sent directly to Pat on the instruction of Mike Lyon, would be refunded. I then asked Pat if there had been any problem in tracking down the malfunction which had prompted my sending the unit in the first place -- a trace of digital noise present in the decay or fade-in of notes into or out of silence, which appeared when the mix knob was set to an intermediate position within the two extremes and disappeared when the knob was at one extreme or the other. In spite of the fact that I had previously outlined this problem, both in e-mail to Dean Fouts (who had initially handled my repair job when I first sent the unit to Oberheim in mid-July) and in a typed note which was taped directly to the cashier's check which had been in the box with the unit, Pat didn't seem to know what I was referring to. He did say, however, that due to the current state at Oberheim, there had not been time to run an exhaustive check on the unit, and he added that with the new circuit board and upgraded software, I essentially had a brand-new Echoplex, specifically citing the fact that the record and overdub functions worked. Of course, since both of those functions had been working when I had sent in the unit in the first place, this did not speak volumes about the efficacy of the repair work. Today (Tuesday the 28th of October, one week after my conversation with Pat Murphy), I recieved my Echoplex via UPS. Upon opening the unit, the first thing I noticed was that the very note I had written, explaining the technical problem I was encountering, was sitting atop the Echoplex, still taped to the cashier's check just as it had been when I sent it in July. The second thing I noticed was that the four main control knobs on the left-hand side of the unit are considerably further-out from the face of the unit than they had been before I sent the unit in. The feedback knob seems to be more or less the same, but each knob to the left is progressively further out along the shaft extending from the pot on the outside of the unit; this is taken to an extreme on the input kob, which is actually detached from the main shaft of the pot itself and can be easily slipped on and off of the pot. Although the pot still seems to work, the knob itself is completely loose of the shaft. The input knob had been firmly affixed to the pot when I sent my unit in to Oberheim three months ago. I then plugged the Echoplex in. Sure enough, the upgraded version of the software was intact. I then began recording a loop; I faded in a note and then let it die out. The exact same problem, which I had sent my unit in a fourth of a year ago to have fixed, was and is still very much in evidence. The same digital noise is present at the fade-in or fade-out of notes into or out of silence. The noise disappears when the mix selector is turned to either one extreme or the other. The analogy I would draw to the current situation is that of taking a car in to have brake work done, being deprived of the vehicle for far longer than I had been quoted, and then finally getting the car back with a new transmission and polished exterior, but with the same brake problem firmly intact and the previously undamaged rear-view mirror dangling by a thread from the side of the car door. In neither case does this sort of treatment fall under what I would characterize as acceptable behavior. I appreciate the fact that Oberheim replaced the circuit board. Since it obviously made absolutely no difference in solving my problem, I would have appreciated even more their taking some steps which would have corrected the malfunction. Given that an account of the problem I had been experiencing had been both sent to the customer service representative via e-mail and contained in the very package itself, I have to wonder exactly why it was that this problem was not addressed. Pat Murphy said that there had not been time to run as in-depth of an analysis as would have been possible. I don't know how long it took Oberheim to replace the circuit board, swap the software, and break the knob on the input pot of my unit, but it seems to me that actually reading the instructions I had provided with the unit and checking for the specific problem I had detailed therein might have been a more effective solution than arbitrarily replacing scads of internal electronics and hoping that the problem (which they did not seem to be aware of, nor capable of discerning from carefully written and provided information) would be solved. The irony for me is that I had originally sent my Echoplex in to the company because I felt that the esoteric nature of the device was such that the repair work would be best left to the very company which had marketed and released the product. The unit is now in worse condition that when I had sent it in: in addition to the nebulous digital noise problem, I now have to fix the detached input knob. There are a great many questions and allegations running through my head at the moment, but they all fall under the banner of one general issue, which is: What exactly is the problem at Oberheim, and what is it which seems to be preventing the company from being able to function in an intelligent manner? Message to Tim Spaulding, Pat Murphy, and all others at Oberheim: If you want to undo the exhaustive self-inflicted damage done to your company, start by actually taking the time to make sure that your repair jobs actually repair the items you recieve, and avoid causing any further damage than was originally present. I waited over twelve weeks for my unit to be recieved. I certainly would not have minded waiting a bit longer if that extra time had been taken to ensure that the device had been repaired; I do, however, take exception and offense to my item being "serviced" in a sloppy, arbitrary, and ultimately ineffectual manner. The evidence before me is that no one at Oberheim even bothered to find out what the specifics of my problem were. I feel sorry for Kim Flint, Matthias Grob, and the rest of the Echoplex design team for having their vision entrusted to a company which seems incapable of being able to function properly. I feel sorry for the many users who have been waiting all too patiently for Oberheim to get their act together. I feel sorry for myself for having spent three months waiting in vain for a repair which was not done. And I feel a bit sorry for Oberheim itself, which seems oblivious to the damage it is exacting on itself in any managerial form, and incapable of correcting the turn of events. I wish any other Oberheim customers the best of luck in their efforts at dealing with the company. Based upon my own personal experience over the last three months, they will most certainly need it. --Andre LaFosse From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 20:43:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQPye-0001a9-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:43:32 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:37:11 -0500 (EST) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <971028233711_27368613@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping in Italia Resent-Message-ID: <"kWmn6.A.SFB.12rV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/965 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:43:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 83c514d4bd425ed4c418253363fb54c4 I'll be looping guitar with *Alice* alongside Mick Karn and Steve Jansen in Italy and Germany in ear;y November for any of you interested in looping as an element in "pop" music... cool stuff. be cool, Robby Aceto From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Oct 28 21:27:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQQfb-0004Lx-00; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:27:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pt. 2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PBOv7D.A.RsD.GhsV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/966 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:27:55 -0800 X-UIDL: a5153c5900da62baf0dc5312a281e550 In attempting to assess the apparently unrepaired status of my unit, I have checked over as many details as possible. I have noticed the following items: -- The four parameter LEDs, which had previously been orange, are now green. This leads me to believe that the front panel electronics were at least in part replaced. -- The contents of the note which I wrote in the original box were as follows: "This Oberheim has the following problems: The fade-in and fade-out of notes is accompanied by a distinct grainy digital noise, which corresponds to a flickering of the INPUT LED. This occurs when notes are fading into or out of silence, or (occasionally) when notes of a continuous duration occur at an intermediate level, not loud enough to send the INPUT LED into normal illumination. This noise is present both during loop recording and playback, as well as when the MUTE mode is engaged. (It is equally as loud in MUTE mode as it is during normal recording/playback). Note that when the INPUT/LOOP knob is set to either extreme setting (i.e. either one or the other source), the sound disappears. It is only apparent when the INPUT/LOOP knob is set to a position somewhere between the two extreme settings. There is also occasional popping and other noises present when turning the INPUT/LOOP knob, which suggests the problem may reside in the pot for that control." The knob which I referred to as INPUT/LOOP in the above note is actually labelled MIX on the unit, with sub-labels "dir" and "loop" on either side of the knob. There is a seperate knob labeled INPUT, which is the knob that is currently loose from the pot shaft. I can see where some confusion could have been created from my mis-labelling of the MIX control, but my secondary description "(i.e. one or the other source)" should have cleared this discrepancy up. Regardless, I would have hoped that from the description above, the principal problem would have been searched for in the first place. If there was indeed any confusion regarding the problem or its localle, or any inability to detect the problem in any form, I would have expected to be contacted for clarification on this matter. Another possibility is that this phenomena is indigenous to the Echoplex design, but Kim Flint said that if this noise was accompanied by a flickering of the INPUT LED, then the noise was definitely above standard levels. The fact that no one else on this list has reported this element suggests that the problem is with my unit; the fact that the circuit board (and, apparently, at least some of the electronics for the front panel) was replaced suggests it may be a more generalized symptom. Any insights or explanations as to any of the above, or any further steps to take, would be greatly appreciated. --Andre From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 23:48:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 22:20:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQnxz-0001TG-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:20:27 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Cc: , , Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:16:11 -0600 Message-ID: <01bce432$26face40$21047fce@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"gqHbkC.A.NHB.RZCW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/989 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:20:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c73875488b0be1c433de92328dcc62d Hello, Personally I love this thread. Maybe the whole concept of accountability will alter with specific lists like this, with a return to the days of yesteryear when the customer was always right, the customer came first, and quality really was "job one" and not just a slogan. I appreciate Andre's tale of exasperaton. I myself have experienced the frustration myself of spending big sums of money on shoddy electronic gear and repair work, long delay times, inept technicians, etc. I appreciate the time and effort Andre has taken to inform this list of the problems with such a significant looping tool as the Echoplex. I have owned one for a few months and love mine. It has depth and character that I never imagined in all my years of guitar playing. I'm not very adept at using it yet, but can see that it will work for me for many years. I like many things about it, including the solid construction, the easy interface, the lack of a wart, and even the long, quality cord. It simply feels like a first rate product. I appreciate Tom's effort and his presence on the list. It's not an easy job to have one's head in the public stocks for past employer transgressions. Keep up the communication and the quality focus. My thanks to Andre for the information, Tom for the dedication, Kim for the information and Matthias for the idea. Others too, I'm sure. Back to the plex, Randy Jones only to find some annoying, continual irritation th -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com ; pmurphy@gibson.com ; kpaul@gibson.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 11:12 PM Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim >On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Tom Spaulding wrote: > >> Well Andre, thanks for the public flogging. ETC. > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 00:14:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQTGd-0005z1-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:14:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pt. 3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5zFd4C.A.VJF.B8uV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/967 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:14:19 -0800 X-UIDL: b94c9dad4c73e790099d24c36068654f I took the Echoplex to a friend who's very handy with electronics and soldering; he checked the connections internally and re-soldered the pots for the MIX and FEEDBACK controls. The anomaly was still there. If this Echoplex's entire collection of circuitry was indeed replaced, then I would have to extend a partial retraction of my criticisms to Oberheim, as the sound would certainly have to be an indiginous element of the Echoplex's software. I've noticed this on both the original software and the current upgraded version, so if all of the circuitry in this unit was freshly installed within the last month, there's really no other explanation. If Tim Spaulding or someone else from Oberheim could please furnish me with a precise account of exactly which parts were or were not replaced, it would help get to the bottom of this strangeness. The comments I recieved, to the effect that the circuit board was replaced due to a lack of time to search in depth for the problem, left me somewhat unconvinced as to the depth of the repair work, but if all of the internal electronics are new then it must be an ideosyncrasy inherent to all Echoplex units, contrary to what had previously been stated. --Andre From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 01:00:56 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 00:28:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQTUk-000753-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:28:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971029032405_-326052503@mrin39> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: looping in Italia Resent-Message-ID: <"9smx4C.A.SZG.mLvV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/968 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:28:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f67bb6585cc2e9352edeb30ba4cf1e0 Hi Robby: Where will you be in Italy and do you know the exact dates? Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 03:01:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 01:20:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQUIp-0001qa-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:20:39 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping in Italia Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:21:40 +0100 Message-ID: <19971029092138281.AAB90@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"GuWhDD.A.tTB.E6vV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/969 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:20:39 -0800 X-UIDL: c657fb0cf709634a6de0f257e1d21a46 At 23.37 28/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'll be looping guitar with *Alice* alongside Mick Karn and Steve Jansen in >Italy and Germany in ear;y November for any of you interested in looping as >an element in "pop" music... >cool stuff. > >be cool, >Robby Aceto > > Have you the dates schedule? And what's your setup? leo From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 03:01:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 01:20:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQUJ4-0001s2-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:20:54 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Are there any Italian loopers our there? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:21:42 +0100 Message-ID: <19971029092138281.AAC90@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"kaG95.A.3TB.E6vV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/970 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:20:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 27c6ea387af63a43abb587ed12783a21 At 13.21 28/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >1/3rd of the LoOpDoctOrs is going to be in Italy in November. If there are >any Italian loopers who would like to link up with their American cousins, >please let us know. > >Ciao >The LoOpDoctOrs > > Hi where and when are you going to stay?? ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 03:08:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQVz9-0007dQ-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:08:27 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 01:52:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pt. 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HANW5.A.x4G.CfxV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/971 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:08:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 535ee685c7edfaf68a6334afdb945b3e Andre- At 12:09 AM -0800 10/29/97, Andre LaFosse wrote: >If this Echoplex's entire collection of circuitry was indeed replaced, >then I would have to extend a partial retraction of my criticisms to >Oberheim, as the sound would certainly have to be an indiginous element of >the Echoplex's software. I've noticed this on both the original software >and the current upgraded version, so if all of the circuitry in this unit >was freshly installed within the last month, there's really no other >explanation. Based on what you described of the sound in one of the previous mails (i.e. present during recording and when mute is on), it would seem unlikely that software would be generating it, since digital audio is turned completely off during those operations by an analog circuit. And since your noise only appears when the mix potentiometer is in a particular range, and the mix potentiometer is entirely part of an analog circuit, it would seem even less likely to have much to do with software. Also, oddly, your description seems rather different from what I recall you describing to me before, but no matter. I'm probably not remembering it right. And while I can certainly sympathize with your troubles in dealing with Oberheim's transitional period (believe me, I REALLY know what you're going through!), I don't think that flaming the hell out of the two guys who are working the hardest to set things straight, and who appear to have gone to extra effort just to make you happy, is the best approach. They are not the problem, they are part of an effort to correct it. Take a deep breath, and chill for a day, and then let's see if we can figure out where the buzzes are coming from. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 08:07:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQaeL-0000rO-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:07:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:55:01 +0300 Message-ID: <00004087.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: AW: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Haible Juergen Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"kPfm3.A.ZT.621V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/979 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:07:17 -0800 X-UIDL: fa52e82699e724b1957c65ffa41c4b7a It is difficult to indicate the parts by mail, but the "slow rumbles" were made with the EH (easy, just create the loop or sample then move the fast/slow switch to the slow position and voila: instant slow-down stuff). Actualy this switch moves the unit from 8 sec. (good fidelity) to 16 sec. (not so good but useful "no highs" sound). Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: AW: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Autor: Haible Juergen na internet Data: 29/10/1997 15:22 > > I also suggest Eno's On Land as a good example; if you are > familiar > > with the EH16 it's easy to identify when he uses it. > I *love* "On Land" (my absolute favorite Eno album), especially the slowed-down stuff. What are the parts he has done with the EH16? I was under the impression that he had used different tape speeds to get these deep rumbling sounds. But maybe it was the EH ? I also remember (vaguely) an interview of Eno from the On Land period or even a few years later, where he was asked what he thought about sampling, and he responded that it doesn't impress him because he did the same thing for years, using tape loops, and tape loops are much more convenient for him. Now using a device like the EH16 surely *is* a kind of sampling technique, so I am a little puzzled. Please tell me all you know about "On Land", and the instruments used on it ! JH. (... who suffers from the loss of half speed mode ever since I upgraded my multitrack from a cheap fostex casette 4-track to an 8-track R-8 ... any cure for that ? ) > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 05:03:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQXmT-0004x4-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:03:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3457251C.7225@rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:59:25 -0400 From: Curtis Bahn Reply-To: crb@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Pt. 3 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZLhHkB.A.qSE.LLzV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/972 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:03:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 92692e4df7fd974b1345d8db880941c7 I get a similar click when I bow my bass with the echoplex. I thought it was well-known that there is a gate on the input, it doesn't start recording until you send it a certain level. Maybe this gate is defeated at extremes of feedback. Couldn't this have created your symptoms. crb At 12:09 AM -0800 10/29/97, Andre LaFosse wrote: >If this Echoplex's entire collection of circuitry was indeed replaced, >then I would have to extend a partial retraction of my criticisms to >Oberheim, as the sound would certainly have to be an indiginous element of >the Echoplex's software. I've noticed this on both the original software >and the current upgraded version, so if all of the circuitry in this unit >was freshly installed within the last month, there's really no other >explanation. -- Curtis Bahn iEAR Studios, DCC 135 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Troy, New York, 12180 office (518) 276-4032 fax (518) 276-4780 email crb@rpi.edu From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 05:36:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQYI9-0006t0-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:36:13 -0800 From: "paul.davies" Alternate-Recipient: allowed Auto-Forwarded: prohibited Content-Return: allowed Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Conversion: allowed Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Subject: RE: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-Id: <971029132851.703@pserv.avri.bbsrc.ac.uk.0> X-Dmw-Body-Names: RE: hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum can be especially painful. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:28:51 +0000 X-Mailer: MailWorks 2.0-4 Resent-Message-ID: <"uVz9bC.A.Q7F.8ozV0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/973 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:36:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 0cef91f4fe8b2cf8a9abdcf827822f4b Many of my 'evolving' loopscapes seem to be based on real hummers! They prompt me to change key. As the duff notes mostly seem to be a semitone out, my textures tend to take on an Eastern feel. Incidentally, as a synth player, I tend to control Fc on the mod wheel or key velocity, making for some nice scapes. Loop on (and on) chums, Blim x From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 06:04:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQYjY-0000pd-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:04:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: Are there any Italian loopers our there? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:48:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-Id: <19971029144613.2a5105f0.in@mail.korg.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"aVq6lC.A.zW.jE0V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/974 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:04:32 -0800 X-UIDL: ef174766a04b4ceb930a3de21ab0dd2d >1/3rd of the LoOpDoctOrs is going to be in Italy in November. If there are >any Italian loopers who would like to link up with their American cousins, >please let us know. > >Ciao >The LoOpDoctOrs YES! Here we are! Please give details, we (I, actually) are waiting to meet you... Ciao Stefano (The Looping Uncle) From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 06:31:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQZ9m-0001HD-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:31:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:18:19 -0500 (EST) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <971029091818_1014320042@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: looping in Italia Resent-Message-ID: <"NqY8K.A.Hj.Sd0V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/977 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:31:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f45809e772b14de9c903e9bc2f11af9 doctors all: > >Where will you be in Italy and do you know the exact dates? Milan; 10/31-11-04 Stuttgart 11/5 Wolfsburg 11/7 regards, RA From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:30 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 06:31:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQZ9l-0001H2-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D58205C09C@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Re[2]: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:22:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"8wK9c.A.wY.0b0V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/975 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:31:37 -0800 X-UIDL: cf5300d7d2ff66c3c7d74e115155814f > > I also suggest Eno's On Land as a good example; if you are > familiar > > with the EH16 it's easy to identify when he uses it. > I *love* "On Land" (my absolute favorite Eno album), especially the slowed-down stuff. What are the parts he has done with the EH16? I was under the impression that he had used different tape speeds to get these deep rumbling sounds. But maybe it was the EH ? I also remember (vaguely) an interview of Eno from the On Land period or even a few years later, where he was asked what he thought about sampling, and he responded that it doesn't impress him because he did the same thing for years, using tape loops, and tape loops are much more convenient for him. Now using a device like the EH16 surely *is* a kind of sampling technique, so I am a little puzzled. Please tell me all you know about "On Land", and the instruments used on it ! JH. (... who suffers from the loss of half speed mode ever since I upgraded my multitrack from a cheap fostex casette 4-track to an 8-track R-8 ... any cure for that ? ) > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 06:31:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQZ9n-0001HL-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:31:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:23:50 -0500 (EST) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <971029092231_-1392880029@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: looping in Italia Resent-Message-ID: <"YoLwDB.A.lf.3c0V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/976 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:31:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f9c21e1527f947f60754fc273624215 >And what's your setup? - simple for this gig: -modified PCM42/ stereo rig with a couple processors for the loops. feedback, mix, delay time cv pedals, reverse mod buncha footboxes; lotsa fuzzes... =fun! From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:06:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 07:21:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQZwO-0004zR-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:21:52 -0800 Message-Id: <97Oct29.091435cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:11:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim Cc: pmurphy@gibson.com, kpaul@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0sbkd.A.Z9D.1I1V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/978 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:21:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 5192212d8b74111e4c2b39d8c0229d52 Well Andre, thanks for the public flogging. As I have shared with you in private e-mails, I am all too well aware of the task I have been given - fixing Oberheim. I have admitted and apologized for all of the past mistakes, untruths, lies and poor service of the past. I asked for everyone's patience and understanding as we continue to improve the situation here at Oberheim. But despite our efforts, it is apparent that we have erred again. I guess our latest mistake was agreeing to push your unit to the top of our priority list, ahead of all of the other patient users you feel so sorry for. Given your position - that speaking to others = speaking for others - I believe it best to say it will be 3-4 months until we are fully operational. We will not ship any Echoplex products until we are fully staffed. Good-faith quick fixes like installing updates will no longer be attempted. I realize that this policy will likely further annoy our customers who have certainly suffered enough, but it will preclude any misunderstandings or premature shipments on our part. We do not want a repeat of your scenario, so we will be more vigorous in our testing proceedures. The recent visit by Kim Flint has been invaluable to us and should speed the process along, but we will definitely take the side of caution from now on. Just don't confuse it with lethargy. My sincere apologies to all for the continued delays. Message to Andre: You were given an entirely new Echoplex board and software. It was our intetion to fix any problem you may have been having by replacing your entire board. It was our expectation that any specific problems that your unit had would be fixed by replacing the total circuit board. We were well aware of your notes on what the problem was, but rather than attempt to fix an old unit, we thought it would be best to essentially give you a new one. (Apparently the last batch of boards we received from our vendor had a mixture of pots with different shaft lenghths and widths. We will, of course, replace with different pots once we are fully operational). We left your check uncashed on purpose, and if my memory is correct, we still owe you an additional sum, for which I told you I would write you a personal check for if need be. Please e-mail me (publicly or privately) with the amount due and I will send the check. Message To All Echopex Users: I will keep you informed of the status of Oberheim and the Echoplex as the details become available. Forgive me for any past or future transgressions. It is my nature to try to help our existing users first, even as I was hired to sell to new ones. It is my belief that you and your Echoplex-derived music are the best sales team we could possibly have. Thank you. Tom (not Tim) Spaulding At 10:15 PM 10/28/97 -0600, you wrote: >The following information should be of interest to anyone curious as to >the current state of affairs at Oberheim in general, and the company's >customer service relations in particular. > >One week ago I recieved a phone message from Pat Murphy, stating that my >Echoplex was ready to be shipped back to me. I called him shortly >thereafter and spoke to him in person. He informed me that the repair >work had been completed, and that my unit had recieved a new circuit >board, as well as the software upgrade. He also said that my initial >cashier's check for $35, sent to cover the initial repair and processing >costs, would be returned to me, and that the second check, for $45, which >I had sent directly to Pat on the instruction of Mike Lyon, would be >refunded. > >I then asked Pat if there had been any problem in tracking down the >malfunction which had prompted my sending the unit in the first place -- a >trace of digital noise present in the decay or fade-in of notes into or >out of silence, which appeared when the mix knob was set to an >intermediate position within the two extremes and disappeared when the >knob was at one extreme or the other. > >In spite of the fact that I had previously outlined this problem, both in >e-mail to Dean Fouts (who had initially handled my repair job when I >first sent the unit to Oberheim in mid-July) and in a typed note which >was taped directly to the cashier's check which had been in the box with >the unit, Pat didn't seem to know what I was referring to. He did say, >however, that due to the current state at Oberheim, there had not been >time to run an exhaustive check on the unit, and he added that with the >new circuit board and upgraded software, I essentially had a brand-new >Echoplex, specifically citing the fact that the record and overdub >functions worked. Of course, since both of those functions had been >working when I had sent in the unit in the first place, this did not >speak volumes about the efficacy of the repair work. > >Today (Tuesday the 28th of October, one week after my conversation with >Pat Murphy), I recieved my Echoplex via UPS. Upon opening the unit, the >first thing I noticed was that the very note I had written, explaining the >technical problem I was encountering, was sitting atop the Echoplex, still >taped to the cashier's check just as it had been when I sent it in July. > >The second thing I noticed was that the four main control knobs on the >left-hand side of the unit are considerably further-out from the face of >the unit than they had been before I sent the unit in. The feedback knob >seems to be more or less the same, but each knob to the left is >progressively further out along the shaft extending from the pot on the >outside of the unit; this is taken to an extreme on the input kob, which >is actually detached from the main shaft of the pot itself and can be >easily slipped on and off of the pot. Although the pot still seems to >work, the knob itself is completely loose of the shaft. > >The input knob had been firmly affixed to the pot when I sent my unit in >to Oberheim three months ago. > >I then plugged the Echoplex in. Sure enough, the upgraded version of the >software was intact. I then began recording a loop; I faded in a note and >then let it die out. > >The exact same problem, which I had sent my unit in a fourth of a year ago >to have fixed, was and is still very much in evidence. The same digital >noise is present at the fade-in or fade-out of notes into or out of >silence. The noise disappears when the mix selector is turned to either >one extreme or the other. > >The analogy I would draw to the current situation is that of taking a car >in to have brake work done, being deprived of the vehicle for far longer >than I had been quoted, and then finally getting the car back with a new >transmission and polished exterior, but with the same brake problem firmly >intact and the previously undamaged rear-view mirror dangling by a thread >from the side of the car door. In neither case does this sort of >treatment fall under what I would characterize as acceptable behavior. > >I appreciate the fact that Oberheim replaced the circuit board. Since it >obviously made absolutely no difference in solving my problem, I would >have appreciated even more their taking some steps which would have >corrected the malfunction. > >Given that an account of the problem I had been experiencing had been both >sent to the customer service representative via e-mail and contained in >the very package itself, I have to wonder exactly why it was that this >problem was not addressed. > >Pat Murphy said that there had not been time to run as in-depth of an >analysis as would have been possible. I don't know how long it took >Oberheim to replace the circuit board, swap the software, and break the >knob on the input pot of my unit, but it seems to me that actually reading >the instructions I had provided with the unit and checking for the >specific problem I had detailed therein might have been a more effective >solution than arbitrarily replacing scads of internal electronics and >hoping that the problem (which they did not seem to be aware of, nor >capable of discerning from carefully written and provided information) >would be solved. > >The irony for me is that I had originally sent my Echoplex in to the >company because I felt that the esoteric nature of the device was such >that the repair work would be best left to the very company which had >marketed and released the product. The unit is now in worse condition >that when I had sent it in: in addition to the nebulous digital noise >problem, I now have to fix the detached input knob. > >There are a great many questions and allegations running through my head >at the moment, but they all fall under the banner of one general issue, >which is: What exactly is the problem at Oberheim, and what is it which >seems to be preventing the company from being able to function in an >intelligent manner? > >Message to Tim Spaulding, Pat Murphy, and all others at Oberheim: If you >want to undo the exhaustive self-inflicted damage done to your company, >start by actually taking the time to make sure that your repair jobs >actually repair the items you recieve, and avoid causing any further >damage than was originally present. I waited over twelve weeks for my >unit to be recieved. I certainly would not have minded waiting a bit >longer if that extra time had been taken to ensure that the device had >been repaired; I do, however, take exception and offense to my item being >"serviced" in a sloppy, arbitrary, and ultimately ineffectual manner. The >evidence before me is that no one at Oberheim even bothered to find out >what the specifics of my problem were. > >I feel sorry for Kim Flint, Matthias Grob, and the rest of the Echoplex >design team for having their vision entrusted to a company which seems >incapable of being able to function properly. I feel sorry for the many >users who have been waiting all too patiently for Oberheim to get their >act together. I feel sorry for myself for having spent three months >waiting in vain for a repair which was not done. And I feel a bit sorry >for Oberheim itself, which seems oblivious to the damage it is exacting on >itself in any managerial form, and incapable of correcting the turn of >events. > >I wish any other Oberheim customers the best of luck in their efforts at >dealing with the company. Based upon my own personal experience over the >last three months, they will most certainly need it. > >--Andre LaFosse > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 11:19:41 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 11:08:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQdTy-0002F1-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:08:46 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3457251C.7225@rpi.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:29:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pt. 3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TisVPB.A.GGB.Ge4V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/983 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:08:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c7e0829da7ed6fb28697a40222a5471 Curtis, have you tried the new LoopIIIv5.0 software yet? The threshold for the gate was set much lower, so hopefully this won't be a problem anymore. I'd be interested to know if you still hear it while bowing. That's not Andre's problem, actually. He knows about that one since he through a fit about it last year. :-) He even called me at home that time, if I remember right.... kim At 7:59 AM -0400 10/29/97, Curtis Bahn wrote: >I get a similar click when I bow my bass with the echoplex. I thought >it was well-known that there is a gate on the input, it doesn't start >recording until you send it a certain level. Maybe this gate is >defeated at extremes of feedback. Couldn't this have created your >symptoms. > >crb > >At 12:09 AM -0800 10/29/97, Andre LaFosse wrote: >>If this Echoplex's entire collection of circuitry was indeed replaced, >>then I would have to extend a partial retraction of my criticisms to >>Oberheim, as the sound would certainly have to be an indiginous element of >>the Echoplex's software. I've noticed this on both the original software >>and the current upgraded version, so if all of the circuitry in this unit >>was freshly installed within the last month, there's really no other >>explanation. >-- > > >Curtis Bahn >iEAR Studios, DCC 135 >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >Troy, New York, >12180 >office (518) 276-4032 >fax (518) 276-4780 >email crb@rpi.edu ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 11:19:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 11:08:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQdT4-00028a-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:07:50 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29131FDF@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ISO JamThing memory Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:54:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"SUL0RB.A.6y.nb4V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/981 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:07:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 28f9fe7ec558a5129be6a9682a911e9e Hello Carl J., JAMMAN ZIP DRAM Outside Sources Requirement: Qty 4, 1 MEG x 4 DRAM, 20-pin ZIPs, 100ns or faster. If vendor asks if you want Static Column or PAGE type RAM, ask for "PAGE". If the vendor asks for the voltage, ask for "+5 Volts". Vendors: Upgrades Etc. # - ???? Chips for Less 1-800-820-6009 T.T.I. Technologies 1-800-541-1943 Microprocessors Unlimited 1-918-267-4961 Mountain International 1-541-347-4450 For Mountain Int'l - ask for Model # GR-Zip 2 (this contains all 4 DRAM needed. Cost - $95 end user NOTE: The Lexicon part number is 021-09282 (all 4 DRAM) @ $175.00 Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 781-280-0372 FAX 781-280-0499 From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 23:47:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 11:22:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQdhX-0003sr-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:22:47 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971029192602.006998ec@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:26:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"lQbsTC.A.7kC.Hr4V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/984 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:22:47 -0800 X-UIDL: aba419297ec729f481042c1a1e033fcd Company info: VisonSoft (800)735-2633 Homepage: http//www.visionsoft.com Price for 4 chips 9.95ea plus shipping, and sales tax. For California total price is 50.19. I just installed the upgrade last night. Chips seem to work fine. I requested the MICRON part number listed in the Jamman manual. Sorry I don't remember it at the momment. Hope this info helps, All the best joe At 11:13 PM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > Hi, > > Just a note to anyone who has recently purchased the upgrade chips >for a Jam Man via mail order.... > > Can you forward the phone # of the place you ordered them from? > > How much was the kit? > > What brand name / part # were they? > > Apologies, I know this has been discussed previously but I only >recently acquired the unit and didn't save the information last time >around. > > Thanks, > > TREVOR. > VanEyck@interlog.com > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 10:57:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 10:40:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQd2o-0006rZ-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:40:42 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:16:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: shadowcatcher Subject: ISO JamThing memory Resent-Message-ID: <"U4hNZD.A.jZF.VD4V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/980 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:40:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 302886660e28c8a263807d342200b2e7 Howdy all, I got a JamMan recently and I was wondering if anyone here has a current line on where to get the 32-second ZIP upgrade. Sorry if this has been addressed recently, I just joined the list and the archives aren't up to date. Thanks in a dvance, Carl J. "I felt that my old dream was closer to becoming true. You know that I dreamt of painting a big picture expressing joy, the happiness of life and the universe. Suddenly I feel the harmony of colours and forms that come from this world of joy." -- Kandinsky, 1917 From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 23:47:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 16:27:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQiSb-0000JL-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:27:41 -0800 Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B49070923@www.ihs.dk> From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: 'Loopers-Delight' Subject: RE: Hearing a mistake repeated ad infinitum ... Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:19:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Uk5tYC.A.W3G._K9V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/985 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:27:41 -0800 X-UIDL: c11ffba9f22b050798fa579d1d60a94a Music does not exist ... it evolves! A mistake is just a nice little wind of dust in the evolution. One cannot remove the wind ... only flow with it. Enjoy life and the mistakes you make, Stefan. From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 23:48:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 18:07:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQk0t-00011h-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:07:11 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971030020134.0071995c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:01:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Anyone for T-Max? Resent-Message-ID: <"BCiSt.A.pk.gq-V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/986 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:07:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e4a679bfce4cafee12d936787575579 At 06:59 PM 10/29/97, you wrote: >For details of the Theremax Theremin see http://www.paia.com it's a nice >design with velocity CV outputs as well as the normal pitch ones and audio of course. > >Robin, I don't live in the UK, hope you've found someone who can split the cost with you. Thanks very very much, though, for providing the address for the theramax. I went to their site, am very intrigued and am considering ordering a kit (I live in southern USA, Alabama). Would you use this for looping? Good luck! Grover From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 11:19:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 11:08:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQdTe-0002D2-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:08:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:59:08 From: robin.b2@ukonline.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Anyone for T-Max? Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"sJttKD.A._-.Pd4V0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/982 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:08:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d33f77f2bbb7c7e00d4f05a4bcf8f86 Hi, I'm in the throes of ordering a theremax kit from paia, is there anyone else in the UK who would like to join with me to make a multiple order and save on the not inconsiderable shipping charges? For details of the Theremax Theremin see http://www.paia.com it's a nice design with velocity CV outputs as well as the normal pitch ones and audio of course. The full electronics kit (no case) is $86.25 without the (useless) wall-wart PSU. Just the PCB is $22.25. All above do not include shipping, any takers? if so I'd like to hear in the next few days or so and we'll work out a final price. Cheers, Robin. From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 23:48:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 21:11:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQmsw-00055m-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:11:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:06:37 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pmurphy@gibson.com, kpaul@gibson.com Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim In-Reply-To: <97Oct29.091435cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zquNPD.A.9YE.zWBW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/987 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:11:10 -0800 X-UIDL: fb0c340733c3b666f5aaa677684f030b On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Tom Spaulding wrote: > Well Andre, thanks for the public flogging. First off I have to say that I really have been attempting to maintain a level of civility throughout this. Even in my posts from last night, I made a very concerted effort to not be unjustly rude or callous. Tom, you yourself thanked me for being polite to you when I first contacted you, and mentioned that you doubted you could have contucted yourself as calmly had you been in my position. I have attempted to maintain that degree of civility throughout, and in reassessing my posts from last night, I see considerable potential for flaming, negativity, and insult, which I have not and do not wish to instigate. I do think that I'm entitled to being somewhat distraught at the current situation, but I have (and continue to) made every effort to prevent this from becoming a personal issue between myself and anyone else. I hope that this has been understood; if not, I apologize, and I hope that it is now. > As I have shared with you in > private e-mails, I am all too well aware of the task I have been given - > fixing Oberheim. And as I have told you in private e-mails, I genuinely appreciate the fact that someone is going about trying to fix things there. However, I also feel entitled to voicing my reaction to these efforts. Particularly when they seem of an ill-advised variety. > I > have admitted and apologized for all of the past > mistakes, untruths, lies and poor service of the past. I've also told you that I don't hold you personally accountable for all of the problems that have arisen -- the string of misinformation from Oakland, for instance. I appreciate the apologies, but what I (and presumably many others) would prefer even more than an admission or an apology is an EXPLANATION. Why were things allowed to be so poorly-handled for so long at Oberheim? Why was the head of California operations at Oberheim not informed of the fact that the company he was in charge of was relocating 2,000 miles away until the day that the move occurred? Why did I have to find out about this relocation through someone on this list rather than from someone at Oberheim? > But despite our efforts, it is apparent that > we have erred again. At the very least, failing to properly attach all four of the knobs on a dealer-repaired unit is not the best way to instill a new plateu of consumer respect. However, given the fact that you have replaced all of the internal electronics, yet the anomaly persists, I am presently unconvinced that you were in fact unable to "repair" what may in fact not even be a malfunction. It is for this reason that I issued two follow-up posts last night, which freely admit that if you have swapped the innards of the unit and the same problem is there, then it is possible there is in fact no problem other than a system-based ideosyncrasy. It is also possible, as Kim Flint pointed out, that the anomaly resides in the chassis of the unit rather than in the circuitry. > I guess our latest mistake was agreeing to push your > unit to the top of our priority list, ahead of all of the other patient > users you feel so sorry for. I recognize that this comment was intended in a somewhat sarcastic and guilt-tripped light. I don't know exactly what I find more disturbing: the snide tone of the comment, or the underlying implication that I was given unsolicited favoritism at the expense of other users. If my unit was, as you say, "pushed to the top" of the priority list, then I don't understand why I was given preferential treatment -- because I subscribe to Loopers Delight and have been vocal on describing the problems I've had? Does that mean that people who *haven't* been as vocal or persistent in following through on the repair work and reporting their results, but have in fact waited longer for repair work to be completed than I did, were pushed back in deference to one user in California with an Internet account and a loud mouth? If there were units that had been waiting longer for service than mine had, then perhaps putting my Echoplex at the top of the list was a "mistake" (to use your words). If mine had the longest track record of having been waiting without repair or work, then it deserved to be fixed first. If you were trying to make me feel either relieved or guilty via your comment above, you have failed on both counts. > Given your position - that speaking to others = > speaking for others - ?!?! I honestly have no idea where this comment comes from. My position has nothing to do with "speaking to others = speaking for others." I'm speaking strictly for myself, Tom. > I believe it best to say it > will be 3-4 months until we are fully operational. > We will not ship any > Echoplex products until we are fully staffed. I think that this is ABSURD in the extreme, as I will elaborate on shortly. > Good-faith quick fixes like > installing updates will no longer be attempted. I won't go into detail, but I will say that anyone who had looked at the circuit board -- and more specifically, the software -- of my unit when it was shipped to you should have realized that installing the upgrade would not have alleviated any problems. In your first post to this list, Tom, you said that you were eager to be informed of the Echoplex in detail. My suggestion (and I in no way mean this sarcastically, but given your immediately preceeding reference to the installation of the shipping version of LOOP III in my Echoplex as a "quick fix," it seems appropriate) is the following: familiarize yourself with the upgrade in depth. Find out what it fixes and what it doesn't fix. Find out what the bugs in the original software were and then check their status in the new upgrade. Then, find out how many, if any, of these problems correspond to complaints associated with incoming units being sent in for repair. In this manner, you may be able to avoid administering an unnecessary treatment for a problem, as well as avoiding needlessly sending out extra eproms. "Good faith" (to use your words) doesn't identify or fix technical problems. Understanding the function and extent of the remedies you prescribe, however, often does. > I realize that this > policy will likely further annoy our customers who have certainly > suffered enough, but it will preclude any misunderstandings or premature > shipments on our part. Tom, WHAT ON EARTH does my situation have to do with shipping new Echoplexes and software upgrades?!?! Why is it necessary to hold back on shipping these items out because of ONE REPAIR JOB on another unit?! Why is it necessary to postpone the shipment of Loop III and *new* Echoplex units for three or four more months due to confusion over one repair job on a two-year old unit?!?! > We do not want a repeat of your scenario, so we > will be more vigorous in our testing proceedures. The recent visit by Kim > Flint has been invaluable to us and should speed the process along, but > we will definitely take the side of caution from now on. Just don't > confuse it with lethargy. My sincere apologies to all for the continued > delays. I'll say it again: What does "taking the side of caution" in repair work have to do with shipping out new Echoplexes and upgrades?!?! A "repeat of my scenario" (your words again) will only happen if *I personally* send *my unit* back into Oberheim. If "taking the side of caution" means making sure that you identify the problems in units which are sent to you for repair, and then make sure that these problems have been eliminated before being sent back, then I personally think that's a step in the right direction, and I'm sorry to see that it's taken my posting to instill this sensibility into your repair ethic. Tom, I in no way intend to become any sort of scapegoat for any further delays in Oberheim releasing its product to the marketplace. Rather than cryptically imply that the service reports of an unknown struggling musician will single-handedly impede for a third of a year the efforts of a musical instrument company to release its product, why not *explain* to us exactly what the situation is at Oberheim? > Message to Andre: You were given an entirely new Echoplex > board and software. It was our intetion to fix any problem you may have > been having by replacing your entire board. Thank you for making this clear. I was uncertain as to exactly how much of the internal electronics had been replaced; I take it from your message that all of it has been. > It was our expectation that > any specific problems that your unit had would be fixed by replacing the > total circuit board. > We were well aware of your notes on what the problem > was, but rather than attempt to fix an old unit, we thought it would be > best to essentially give you a new one. Did you actually test the unit in the first place to attempt to identify the problem? Did you test the unit afterwards to see if the problem was still there? I honestly don't think it's a flame, or a display of negativity, or an unjustified affront to you or anyone else to suggest that these are two fairly significant elements of any repair process. When I talked to Pat on the phone a week ago, he didn't seem to understand my reference to the problem. He did recall that I had shipped the unit without any screws in the upper plate, so I presume he had some hands-on experience with it. Kim has suggested that the problem may have to do with the actual chassis of the unit. If the problem had been checked for before and after installing new circuitry, the time and expense of shipping a whole new circuit board could have been spared. > (Apparently the last batch of > boards we received from our vendor had a mixture of pots with different > shaft lenghths and widths. We will, of course, replace with different > pots once we are fully operational). Tom, please don't make a judgement about the contents of the last batch of gear that your company recieved based upon what one user reports in his specific unit. And for God's sake, don't think that you have to go back and replace all of the shafts on the units you're preparing to ship out!!! I determined what the problem was with the Input knob: There is a translucent green sheath which fits along the shafts of the pots, which holds the knobs in place. On the Input knob, this shaft was crumpled into the end of the knob, which prevented it from properly attaching to the shaft. I was able to fix this with minimal trouble once I determined what the problem is. The knob length on the INPUT control is now equal to that of the OUTPUT control. I don't think the problem was inconsistency of shaft lengths, but rather inconsistency of knob installation, and that as I've said, that the knob had been improperly (I would have to use the term "carelessly") connected to the shaft of the pot. At the risk of beating this issue into the ground, my dealings with this unit are the first impressions I have of the actions of the new department at Oberheim. And I've still got to say that shipping a unit without making sure that each of four knobs is properly attached is not a good route towards being taken seriously. > We left your check uncashed on purpose, and if my memory is correct, we > still owe you an additional sum, for which I told you I would write you a > personal check for if need be. Please e-mail me (publicly or privately) > with the amount due and I will send the check. I sent an additional check to Pat Murphy for $45. Under the present circumstances, and in light of the quantity of materials which were replaced in my unit, I have to insist that you cash that check and apply it towards expenses which were incurred during the work which was done on my unit, as was the original intent. > Message To All Echopex Users: I will keep you informed of > the status of Oberheim and the Echoplex as the details become available. > Forgive me for any past or future transgressions. It is my nature to try > to help our existing users first, even as I was hired to sell to new > ones. It is my belief that you and your Echoplex-derived music are the > best sales team we could possibly have. Tom (and I apologize for my error concerning your name -- no offense was intended), I have to say that I wouldn't be going to the lengths that I have been on this list if I wasn't passionately concerned about the future of the unit. I want desperately to see this product succeed, and to be made available. At the same time, I simply cannot sit back and leave circumstances such as those which have transpired go unreported. I have too much respect for myself and for the other Echoplex users, past present and future, to try and mince words for the sake of watching out for the professional reputation of Oberheim. I understand that Oberheim is a small company. I understand that you're trying to do things in the fastest and most efficient way possible. And in spite of the problems I've had with my unit over the last 24 hours, I still do believe that you're making deliberate, honest efforts towards correcting things. I also believe that some of these efforts, though obviously generous and well-intended, are being executed somewhat clumsily. In looking over this whole thread, I can't escape one recurring issue: COMMUNICATION. We all appreciate your words of determination and purpose (or perhaps I should say that I at least appreciate it, since I don't wish to be accused once more of speaking for anyone other than myself), but I would feel MUCH better knowing that there was some sense of in-depth, specific information relayed. Making your presense felt on this list is a good first step. But please *explain* to us what the specific problems are, what they entail, and what we (if anything) can do to help alleviate them. We've heard you say "The Echoplexes are coming! Very soon!" for a little while now. What *exactly* is it about *my* situation that means that the Echoplexes ad memory upgrades are apparently now coming no sooner than three or four months down the road?!?! If anyone wishes to chastise me for apparently impeding the flow of product from Oberheim, they are free and welcome to do so in private or public. I warn you, however, that any and all flames will recieve no similarly hostile response from me. It is my sincere hope that this situation can be straightened out. It is my sincere belief that, in spite of the present static and interference, the channels of communication and action are attempting to be cleared on both sides. --Andre From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:42 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:09:33 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyBVw-0004MU-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:09:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029220818.007a4a80@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:08:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: funky vintage boxes.. In-Reply-To: <8e9dd97b.34d02218@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-a0tvD.A.edD.3jY00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2592 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:09:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b20d1e8a50a999334af83090d67bb48 Hey there, I just had to reply cause I thought your message was so cute... I don't usually get into talking about gear. But anyway, I play a Steinberger GL2T into a Marshall jmp1 midi preamp. The signal then goes through a volume peddal and into an SE-70 efects processor which I like very much. Finally, it goes into the jam man and out to a board or to an RA 100 reference amp and to two Tube works 12 inch cabinets. I think that the parkers are wonderful instruments however in my opinion, they're not designed with women in mind as they've got that really annoying pointed horn thing that comes up and gets me in a really "inconvienient" place. It's quite painful at times... Aside from that, I think the fly classics are nice instruments if I can get it placed just right... Have a nice day... smiles, Corynne At 01:30 AM 1/29/98 EST, you wrote: ><boxes when loooping with the Plex & Jamman, and thought it would be >interesting to hear other peoples setups or fave processors for looping.>> > >The only pedal I am completely enamored with right now is the Electro-Harmonix >Small Stone phase shifter. It's a texture machine. As cool as it is, though, >I'd give my left eyeball to find the Bad Stone I used to own. It was WAY >cooler--you could set the mid-point of the phase sweep, or disable the >modulation and set up a "stationary" phased sound with a manual knob. And what >beautiful knobs they were; huge black monster knobs. Other than that and a >decent reverb (and the JamPig, of course), I don't use much, although I may >soon get my hands on a Vortex, in which case it will probably become an >indispensible box as well. > >Hey, just to add the the gear thread (don't you love talking about toys?), I >just got a Parker Fly, and I LOVE it. Anyone else out there play one of these >things? (This is gratuitous toy talk, I know, but I can't help myself.) > >Have a loopy day, > >Drew W. > > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:40 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:09:32 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyBVv-0004MQ-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:09:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029222157.007a6100@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:21:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: glass eno In-Reply-To: <9801281936.0RJWZ00@dinosaur.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IH2Ac.A.FfD.DkY00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2593 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:09:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 837e3b4f48ae98bfcf10bf6ab98fdcd3 That's a GREAT story!!! smiles, Corynne At 07:36 PM 1/28/98 -0700, you wrote: > >The recent remark concerning warped Eno vs. skipping Glass >vinyl platters ,for some reason made me think of the following: > >My one and only live P.Glass experience was a concert given >at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Cincinatti Ohio back in >1980 (?) It was a small room seating maybe 100, the ensemble >was flown in from Rotterdam,( where he was involved with his >opera in sanskrit at the time), evidently for this show. They did >selections from Einstein on the Beach and Dance 1,2&3 and a >few other pieces. The sound engineer sat in the middle of the >ensemble facing them. For all that it was "mimimalist" in nature >the overwhelming impression left on most audience members >as I recall was the sheer decibel level at which it was presented. >I got the impression that very few of these people had enjoyed >amplified music in a public performance context though to be >fair to them, the volume WAS high. > >Secondly I was reminded of a story I once heard Robert Fripp >relate concerning a performance he and Eno once did in a >bullring in Spain during the 70's. I guess the whole gig had >it's own special ambiance what with the spectacle of gun toting >Basque seperatists at the airport during their arrival,and playing >the arena floor of this bullring to boot...but anyway.He said they >played the show and towards the end, got this loop going and then >they both left the "stage" and retired to an enclosure from which >they could see the crowd through some shutters. As Eno peered >out at the crowd he was noticed and the next thing Fripp said this >fellow comes and pulls aside the shutters and says in a U.S. drawl >"Hey guys is the show over?", to which Eno replied "Well it is for >us, but not for you". > >Just a couple memories, from apparently still active brain cells >......it's an age of wonder.....I wonder where I put that?..... > > Bryan Helm > "Loop is pool backwards > and pool starts with P > which rhymes with T > that is the first letter in > the word....TROUBLE!" > > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 29 23:48:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Oct 29 21:57:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQnbH-00003y-00; Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:56:59 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:54:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01bce4f8$454b0ce0$8dfc73cf@artmusic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"BhgaNB.A.cHH.mDCW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/988 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:56:59 -0800 X-UIDL: b1e0057bca33fb02944a2294ce4c97c2 Wow, Andre, what a story. I for one, can't believe a single repair job can hold up an entire production line, and I am an unknown musician also who just put $ down last week for one of these new Plexes. If I have to wait 3 or 4 months, (gee, I think my layaway plan is only 2...) I'd like to know why. And why I should wait, and not transfer that $ to something else. what a mess- Dave Eicheneberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:43 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:20:41 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyBgj-0005Cz-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:20:37 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029231223.007a3890@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:12:23 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: my date stamp... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fjn6eC.A.bVE.3tY00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2595 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:20:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 95080186819b19ee73f38d8e31d9d616 >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:41:47 -0700 >To: looper >From: Goddess >Subject: my date stamp... > > As some of you may have noticed, my date stamp is off by about four months... NO,k I'm not in a time warp or looping my calendar concepts, Unfortunately, I've done this on purpose to deal with a rather annoying situation which I won't go into here. So for the moment, it is necessary... Hopefully this will change soon. Anyway, I forgot to mention in my response about the gear, that I control the whole lot with an ART X-15 midi foot controller. hope everyone is well... > >smiles, > >Corynne > > From ???@??? Sun Feb 01 21:49:44 1998 >From kflint Fri Jan 30 00:20:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0xyBgf-0005Ci-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:20:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971029231407.007a5910@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:14:07 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: oops... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"U9XIID.A.uUE.utY00"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2594 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:20:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 99fb18e0a5bb28f0458dd90f0126fd72 >Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:48:45 -0700 >To: loopers >From: Goddess >Subject: oops... > > Oh yeah, I also forgot the GK2A and the GR1. like I said, I don't usually talk about this stuff. I've got an ovation Legend as well as a partridge in a pair tree... > >smiles, > >Corynne > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 03:06:17 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 00:48:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQqGl-0000SF-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:47:59 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bce37d$557cf140$81ec73cf@artmusic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:42:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EFC-7 Measurements Resent-Message-ID: <"gqD3d.A.VI.iiEW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/990 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:47:59 -0800 X-UIDL: e6206188c65ce0e598b5b93aa8e9300a At 3:41 AM -0500 10/28/97, future perfect wrote: >I was wondering if anyone with an EFC-7 footcontroller for the Plex could >take out a ruler and give me the dimensions..I'm trying to build a >pedalboard for my footswitches, etc and my Plex has not yet come in. I need >to know how much room I should leave for it. ok, just measured it: 17 3/8" wide 4" deep 2" high kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 03:06:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 00:58:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQqRD-00017a-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:58:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:55:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: I hate to do this, but... Resent-Message-ID: <"0FcDtB.A.s1.YuEW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/991 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:58:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c2d08683bd433dff89a3330a746807b I hate to do this, but... I know that I need to tred carefully here, so I will choose my sentiments as thoughfully as possible.. First, let me say to Kim and Matthius thank you for an unbelievably focused and clever piece of equipment. You have single handedly renewed my interest in playing, and the possibilities of "guitar as orchestra". Second, I should clarify my personal background. I am a professional, working Recording Engineer and Tech in Los Angeles. I am also guitarist, guitar builder and electronic tinkerer going on 25 yrs. Please know that my point of view does not mean I am "flaming", just observing. Third, I have experience, in the past, working within a large bureauracratic organization, as I am sure many people on this list do. What I am trying to say is I have sympathy for all parties involved. But most of all Andre. I thought about emailing him personally (we have exchanged email in the past) but I arrogantly felt the list might want to read this too. I have been without my Echoplex for about 8 months total of the 3yrs I have owned it. The first round was thermal problems fixed gratis at the factory in NoCal. A month and a half down. After I got it back I performed the resistor change outs detailed on the web page in an effort to bring down the noise floor(a software noisegate!?!?). This was a help. The second bout was an ongoing distortion in the recorded program material. Dean Fouts recommended an authorized repair shop in LA to fix this, to save the time & hassle of sending it to the factory. These guys turned out to very slow & took forever to get the documentation from Oberheim. They didn't pursue it at all, & I had to badger the factory to get the schematics to this shop!! Turned out to be the output IC's(no relation to the mod). Another 4 months and $200.00 lost. I was out of town on biz right after I got it back this time, and also in the process of finishing my rig, so I didn't use it for a bit. When I finished my rig & fired it up, guess what? No output from the Echoplex at all!!! Back to the shop in LA since I figured it might be related. after 2 months and no phone call from these guys, they give up and sent it to Oberheim without even telling me. Right around this time Andre started his posts. So as you can understand, I'm dissapointed. I am going to have to get something to replace my Echoplex(probobly a PCM80-yikes!). So let me make a few points here. This is a CONSUMER piece of gear. It is very cheaply powered, with a flimsey chassis, and a -10db input/output section, with unbalanced 1/4 jacks. this means from a gain stage point of view it is relativly incompatible with the gear in my rack, and any gear in any pro studio. Kim has stated in the past he didn't want the price to exclude potential consumers from buying this product. Understood, but it relagates this to being a CONSUMER piece of gear. It exhibits all the problems of consumer gear. I personally own pro gear that has never broken down, and the studios I work at depend on pro gear to work consistantly and for long periods of time. We have outboard gear that stays on for months at a time, year after year with NO problems. What I'm trying to say is that I shouldn't expect the Echoplex to be what it is not. The big problem is that not many pieces of gear come close to doing what the Echoplex does!!! I am trying to finish my record, and another artist's CD that I am producing, engineering and playing on. Being without my echoplex has been a huge pain, and I can wait no longer to get mine back. God forbid I should want an upgrade! That will be another couple of months I guess. So Andre's experiences are not isolated. I don't blame anyone in particular for this nonsense. Dean Fouts has been trully helpful. Chalk it up to Oberheim/Gibson's bureaucracy and a product that didn't meet my expectations. Lesson learned on my part. I apologize for any hurt feelings or for not being cheery, but in professional situations this kind of track record sinks products. I'd hate to see that happen to the Echoplex. Eric R. Fischer From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 09:58:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 03:21:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQser-0005QI-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:21:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820617B0@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: The ongoing saga of Oberheim Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:16:11 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"cyN6iB.A.62E.IyGW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/992 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 03:21:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 0ff48ca5049fb88285f3f931815a38af I considered buying one of these, but I was told that they are currently not available in Germany. One shop said they aren't built anymore, another one said they had problems with the European CE (EMC) regulations. Then I considered finding a used one, but now ... I hesitate. I don't think these repair stories are specific for one manufacturer (sounds similar as the repair story of my car hifi and of my portable DAT, for example.), so this saga doesn't surprise me at all. But this generally makes me think about buying murical gear that is based around software, i.e. you are dependent on service by authorized people. I prefer units which I can repair myself. Maybe I'll just put extra RAM chips into my Delta Lab Effectron. Or wait for this new EH delay. (Hope they'll just use larger RAM chips, and not redesign the control circuitry !) What do you think? JH. From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 09:58:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 05:37:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQumz-0002zx-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:37:33 -0800 Message-ID: <34589886.71CF@infobiogen.fr> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:25:13 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Robby Aceto References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YvfK6C.A.wUC.xtIW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/993 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:37:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 468ad3320c07b7ab2f07a40d0ccb79f7 I saw this written the past day: >I'll be looping guitar with *Alice* alongside Mick Karn and Steve Jansen in >Italy and Germany in ear;y November for any of you interested in looping as >an element in "pop" music... >cool stuff. > >be cool, >Robby Aceto The question I'd like raise is wether we can expect a tour in some way with the songs we discovered with your album. Another one would be, is there a second one to expect soon? Quite soon then? I hope you won't release an album every 12 years like some great singer we know. Ok, the conditions compares in nothing. Anything? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 01:43:56 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 23:08:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRBBb-0004oI-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:08:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:31:14 +0300 Message-ID: <000041D5.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Drumworker@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"q4fnwB.A.zKE.zKYW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1004 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:08:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c6eea724833fe8c83557042816d21e8 Here is some information about JamMan "clicks" written by Bob Sellon: Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you can fix the other you can't. When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the number of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit. The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the priority in Jamman is to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of Jamman and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop size changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential clicks and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse and so do the clicks and pops. As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place something percussive at the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I come up with anything. If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd love to hear it. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec bsellon@lexicon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem Autor: Drumworker@aol.com na internet Data: 30/10/1997 14:01 I am finding that the pedal suppled by Lexicon (with the JamMan) produces an audible "click" in the output when I tap it to close a loop. This seems to happen about half the time and does not seem to relate to how hard I press it. Could it be dirt in the switch? Any ideas how to correct this anyone? Also - if it's simply that the pedal is "not the best" quality - can I replace it with another type of pedal that will operate the Tap function silently? Any and all help re. this is appreciated. P. Ormandy "drumworker@aol.com" From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 09:58:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 09:20:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQyH4-0006NF-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:20:50 -0800 Message-Id: <97Oct30.110918cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:08:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8IZVh.A.mtE.Y8LW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/996 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:20:50 -0800 X-UIDL: cb4f50c887a464d737d24fdffed89d23 Andre- Thanks for your comments. You are not anyone's scapegoat for "stopping the production line" of Echoplexes. I would characterize your particular situation as more of a catalyst. You see, the temptation is great on my part to try to resolve as many problems as quickly as I can. I have been playing guitar for 22 years (I'm 35), I have worked in music stores as a salesman and purchaser, I have worked at Gibson in sales and marketing of the USA and Custom Shop divisions. This does not give me any particular expertise in anything, but I do know what satisfying a customer entails. The level of "service" provided by Oberheim up until this point is unacceptable to me. I can't bear to be associated with such blatant mediocrity and I do not wish to continue the trends of the past. When I was asked to transfer to this division, I have to believe it was because I have shown past success and resolving problems and getting things in order. If Oberheim was indeed guilty of half of what you warned everyone off of, we would have never met. I would be much too busy duping more people into buying our completely defective product and letting them rot on the repair shelf- at least then I could show my boss some new sales income. You must be aware by now that my focus is elsewhere. It is on you and everyone like you who may have a problem with their Echoplex. I certainly have other duties, but I doubt if I have better things to do. What you may not be aware of is that Oberheim currently consists of two and a half employees: Keith Paul, Pat Murphy and me. We share Pat's Customer Service help with our drum division, Slingerland. That's it...there are no more employees. There is no bureaucracy of MBA'd suits roaming through the halls of some cavernous office. We are, however, in the process of recruiting and hiring the necessary manpower to get the product flowing again. We are still using the sub-contractors that have been assembling the Echoplex in the past. We are drafting improvements to make the assembly of the Echoplex a turkey operation - this means that we place an order for an Echoplex from one source and get a completed and tested Echoplex in return. At present, the process is a bit more convoluted. With Kim's valuable input, we are making the appropriate changes. The reason I am refining our "fully operational" target date is to avoid any further temptation on our part to prematurely solve long-standing problems. We will accept units for upgrades (by "quick fix" I meant a service that takes little time to perform, not "makeshift repair"), due to the fact that Kim has trained our borrowed tech on the necessary procedures. Explaining why things were so screwed up in the past is really not going to make you feel better or allow us to move ahead. I will say that we are intensifying as many cases of customer problems as we can, and given the shipping totals for the Echoplex, the number of problem units is not great. The truth, Andre, is that your e-mails made an impression. An obviously well-connected, informed, vocal, and dare-I-say influential customer (such is still my impression of you), is a legitimate candidate for emergency problem solving measures. Your ability and willingness to clearly point out our failings makes you an excellent bet to tell the public about our "doing things right". I wanted to help solve your problem, and if the cost was one new PCB, I thought it a bargain for the good feelings it could generate among your fellow loopers. My regret is that we failed to do so. I sought to counter the negative vibe towards Oberheim and only succeeded in perpetuating it, as everyone now knows. My point is: Did the fact that we were attempting to replace rather than repair your unit warrant the tirade you posted, without first contacting us directly for an explanation? We did the same replacement option for nine other customers who had waited a long time and had been equally as vocal about it. Apparently they do not have Internet accounts. You asked: "Why is it necessary to hold back on shipping these items because of ONE REPAIR JOB on another unit?!" Let me be very clear: WE ARE NOT WITHHOLDING SHIPPING OF ECHOPLEX PRODUCTS DUE TO ANDRE'S MESSAGE. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FINISHED ECHOPLEX PRODUCTS READY TO SHIP AT THIS TIME. What we will no longer do is prematurely attempt to solve customer problems, no matter how long they have waited, no matter how many e-mails and voice-mails we receive, no matter what. We can ill-afford to be blasted for doing anything of the kind again. We have learned our lesson, as Randy Jones put it, "with our heads in the public stocks". We won't make that mistake in the future. There definitely should be no guilt or blame associated with this decision on your part, in effect you have truly done everyone a service, which was your stated intention. As evidenced by early comments made by you that were later amended in Pt. 2, amended further in Pt. 3, and tempered even more in your latest message,and comments made by me in my initial response, perhaps it would be best to contact each other directly before the passion we both share clouds the professional reputations of Andre, Tom and Oberheim. Thanks to all who have commented on this thread so far - your input is vital and appreciated. Peace, Tom Spaulding At 11:06 PM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Tom Spaulding wrote: > >> Well Andre, thanks for the public flogging. > >First off I have to say that I really have been attempting to maintain a >level of civility throughout this. Even in my posts from last night, I >made a very concerted effort to not be unjustly rude or callous. Tom, >you yourself thanked me for being polite to you when I first contacted >you, and mentioned that you doubted you could have contucted yourself as >calmly had you been in my position. I have attempted to maintain that >degree of civility throughout, and in reassessing my posts from last >night, I see considerable potential for flaming, negativity, and insult, >which I have not and do not wish to instigate. > >I do think that I'm entitled to being somewhat distraught at the current >situation, but I have (and continue to) made every effort to prevent this >from becoming a personal issue between myself and anyone else. I hope >that this has been understood; if not, I apologize, and I hope that it is >now. > >> As I have shared with you in >> private e-mails, I am all too well aware of the task I have been given - >> fixing Oberheim. > >And as I have told you in private e-mails, I genuinely appreciate the fact >that someone is going about trying to fix things there. However, I also >feel entitled to voicing my reaction to these efforts. Particularly when >they seem of an ill-advised variety. > >> I >> have admitted and apologized for all of the past >> mistakes, untruths, lies and poor service of the past. > >I've also told you that I don't hold you personally accountable for all >of the problems that have arisen -- the string of misinformation from >Oakland, for instance. > >I appreciate the apologies, but what I (and presumably many others) would >prefer even more than an admission or an apology is an EXPLANATION. Why >were things allowed to be so poorly-handled for so long at Oberheim? Why >was the head of California operations at Oberheim not informed of the fact >that the company he was in charge of was relocating 2,000 miles away until >the day that the move occurred? Why did I have to find out about this >relocation through someone on this list rather than from someone at >Oberheim? > >> But despite our efforts, it is apparent that >> we have erred again. > >At the very least, failing to properly attach all four of the knobs on a >dealer-repaired unit is not the best way to instill a new plateu of >consumer respect. > >However, given the fact that you have replaced all of the internal >electronics, yet the anomaly persists, I am presently unconvinced that you >were in fact unable to "repair" what may in fact not even be a >malfunction. It is for this reason that I issued two follow-up posts >last night, which freely admit that if you have swapped the innards of >the unit and the same problem is there, then it is possible there is in >fact no problem other than a system-based ideosyncrasy. It is also >possible, as Kim Flint pointed out, that the anomaly resides in the >chassis of the unit rather than in the circuitry. > >> I guess our latest mistake was agreeing to push your >> unit to the top of our priority list, ahead of all of the other patient >> users you feel so sorry for. > >I recognize that this comment was intended in a somewhat sarcastic and >guilt-tripped light. I don't know exactly what I find more disturbing: >the snide tone of the comment, or the underlying implication that I was >given unsolicited favoritism at the expense of other users. > >If my unit was, as you say, "pushed to the top" of the priority list, then >I don't understand why I was given preferential treatment -- because I >subscribe to Loopers Delight and have been vocal on describing the >problems I've had? Does that mean that people who *haven't* been as vocal >or persistent in following through on the repair work and reporting their >results, but have in fact waited longer for repair work to be completed >than I did, were pushed back in deference to one user in California with >an Internet account and a loud mouth? > >If there were units that had been waiting longer for service than mine >had, then perhaps putting my Echoplex at the top of the list was a >"mistake" (to use your words). If mine had the longest track record of >having been waiting without repair or work, then it deserved to be fixed >first. If you were trying to make me feel either relieved or guilty via >your comment above, you have failed on both counts. > >> Given your position - that speaking to others = >> speaking for others - > >?!?! > >I honestly have no idea where this comment comes from. My position has >nothing to do with "speaking to others = speaking for others." I'm >speaking strictly for myself, Tom. > >> I believe it best to say it >> will be 3-4 months until we are fully operational. >> We will not ship any >> Echoplex products until we are fully staffed. > >I think that this is ABSURD in the extreme, as I will elaborate on shortly. > >> Good-faith quick fixes like >> installing updates will no longer be attempted. > >I won't go into detail, but I will say that anyone who had looked at the >circuit board -- and more specifically, the software -- of my unit when it >was shipped to you should have realized that installing the upgrade would >not have alleviated any problems. > >In your first post to this list, Tom, you said that you were eager to be >informed of the Echoplex in detail. My suggestion (and I in no way mean >this sarcastically, but given your immediately preceeding reference to the >installation of the shipping version of LOOP III in my Echoplex as a >"quick fix," it seems appropriate) is the following: familiarize yourself >with the upgrade in depth. Find out what it fixes and what it doesn't >fix. Find out what the bugs in the original software were and then check >their status in the new upgrade. Then, find out how many, if any, of >these problems correspond to complaints associated with incoming units >being sent in for repair. > >In this manner, you may be able to avoid administering an unnecessary >treatment for a problem, as well as avoiding needlessly sending out extra >eproms. "Good faith" (to use your words) doesn't identify or fix >technical problems. Understanding the function and extent of the remedies >you prescribe, however, often does. > >> I realize that this >> policy will likely further annoy our customers who have certainly >> suffered enough, but it will preclude any misunderstandings or premature >> shipments on our part. > >Tom, WHAT ON EARTH does my situation have to do with shipping new >Echoplexes and software upgrades?!?! Why is it necessary to hold back on >shipping these items out because of ONE REPAIR JOB on another unit?! Why >is it necessary to postpone the shipment of Loop III and *new* Echoplex >units for three or four more months due to confusion over one repair job >on a two-year old unit?!?! > >> We do not want a repeat of your scenario, so we >> will be more vigorous in our testing proceedures. The recent visit by Kim >> Flint has been invaluable to us and should speed the process along, but >> we will definitely take the side of caution from now on. Just don't >> confuse it with lethargy. My sincere apologies to all for the continued >> delays. > >I'll say it again: What does "taking the side of caution" in repair work >have to do with shipping out new Echoplexes and upgrades?!?! > >A "repeat of my scenario" (your words again) will only happen if *I >personally* send *my unit* back into Oberheim. If "taking the side of >caution" means making sure that you identify the problems in units which >are sent to you for repair, and then make sure that these problems have >been eliminated before being sent back, then I personally think that's a >step in the right direction, and I'm sorry to see that it's taken my >posting to instill this sensibility into your repair ethic. > >Tom, I in no way intend to become any sort of scapegoat for any further >delays in Oberheim releasing its product to the marketplace. Rather than >cryptically imply that the service reports of an unknown struggling >musician will single-handedly impede for a third of a year the efforts of >a musical instrument company to release its product, why not *explain* to >us exactly what the situation is at Oberheim? > >> Message to Andre: You were given an entirely new Echoplex >> board and software. It was our intetion to fix any problem you may have >> been having by replacing your entire board. > >Thank you for making this clear. I was uncertain as to exactly how much >of the internal electronics had been replaced; I take it from your >message that all of it has been. > >> It was our expectation that >> any specific problems that your unit had would be fixed by replacing the >> total circuit board. >> We were well aware of your notes on what the problem >> was, but rather than attempt to fix an old unit, we thought it would be >> best to essentially give you a new one. > >Did you actually test the unit in the first place to attempt to identify >the problem? Did you test the unit afterwards to see if the problem was >still there? I honestly don't think it's a flame, or a display of >negativity, or an unjustified affront to you or anyone else to suggest >that these are two fairly significant elements of any repair process. > >When I talked to Pat on the phone a week ago, he didn't seem to >understand my reference to the problem. He did recall that I had shipped >the unit without any screws in the upper plate, so I presume he had some >hands-on experience with it. > >Kim has suggested that the problem may have to do with the actual chassis >of the unit. If the problem had been checked for before and after >installing new circuitry, the time and expense of shipping a whole new >circuit board could have been spared. > >> (Apparently the last batch of >> boards we received from our vendor had a mixture of pots with different >> shaft lenghths and widths. We will, of course, replace with different >> pots once we are fully operational). > >Tom, please don't make a judgement about the contents of the last batch of >gear that your company recieved based upon what one user reports in his >specific unit. And for God's sake, don't think that you have to go back >and replace all of the shafts on the units you're preparing to ship out!!! > >I determined what the problem was with the Input knob: There is a >translucent green sheath which fits along the shafts of the pots, which >holds the knobs in place. On the Input knob, this shaft was crumpled into >the end of the knob, which prevented it from properly attaching to the >shaft. I was able to fix this with minimal trouble once I determined what >the problem is. The knob length on the INPUT control is now equal to that >of the OUTPUT control. > >I don't think the problem was inconsistency of shaft lengths, but rather >inconsistency of knob installation, and that as I've said, that the knob >had been improperly (I would have to use the term "carelessly") connected >to the shaft of the pot. At the risk of beating this issue into the >ground, my dealings with this unit are the first impressions I have of the >actions of the new department at Oberheim. And I've still got to say that >shipping a unit without making sure that each of four knobs is properly >attached is not a good route towards being taken seriously. > >> We left your check uncashed on purpose, and if my memory is correct, we >> still owe you an additional sum, for which I told you I would write you a >> personal check for if need be. Please e-mail me (publicly or privately) >> with the amount due and I will send the check. > >I sent an additional check to Pat Murphy for $45. Under the present >circumstances, and in light of the quantity of materials which were >replaced in my unit, I have to insist that you cash that check and apply >it towards expenses which were incurred during the work which was done on >my unit, as was the original intent. > >> Message To All Echopex Users: I will keep you informed of >> the status of Oberheim and the Echoplex as the details become available. >> Forgive me for any past or future transgressions. It is my nature to try >> to help our existing users first, even as I was hired to sell to new >> ones. It is my belief that you and your Echoplex-derived music are the >> best sales team we could possibly have. > >Tom (and I apologize for my error concerning your name -- no offense was >intended), I have to say that I wouldn't be going to the lengths that I >have been on this list if I wasn't passionately concerned about the >future of the unit. I want desperately to see this product succeed, and >to be made available. At the same time, I simply cannot sit back and >leave circumstances such as those which have transpired go unreported. I >have too much respect for myself and for the other Echoplex users, past >present and future, to try and mince words for the sake of watching out >for the professional reputation of Oberheim. > >I understand that Oberheim is a small company. I understand that you're >trying to do things in the fastest and most efficient way possible. And >in spite of the problems I've had with my unit over the last 24 hours, I >still do believe that you're making deliberate, honest efforts towards >correcting things. I also believe that some of these efforts, though >obviously generous and well-intended, are being executed somewhat >clumsily. > >In looking over this whole thread, I can't escape one recurring issue: >COMMUNICATION. We all appreciate your words of determination and purpose >(or perhaps I should say that I at least appreciate it, since I don't wish >to be accused once more of speaking for anyone other than myself), but I >would feel MUCH better knowing that there was some sense of in-depth, >specific information relayed. Making your presense felt on this list is a >good first step. But please *explain* to us what the specific problems >are, what they entail, and what we (if anything) can do to help alleviate >them. > >We've heard you say "The Echoplexes are coming! Very soon!" for a little >while now. What *exactly* is it about *my* situation that means that the >Echoplexes ad memory upgrades are apparently now coming no sooner than >three or four months down the road?!?! > >If anyone wishes to chastise me for apparently impeding the flow of >product from Oberheim, they are free and welcome to do so in private or >public. I warn you, however, that any and all flames will recieve no >similarly hostile response from me. > >It is my sincere hope that this situation can be straightened out. It is >my sincere belief that, in spite of the present static and interference, >the channels of communication and action are attempting to be cleared on >both sides. > >--Andre > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 12:00:43 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 11:09:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQzyD-00015u-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:09:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 14:01:26 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971030140125_324758304@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem Resent-Message-ID: <"zdAW3.A.va.GnNW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/997 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:09:29 -0800 X-UIDL: d5aecf2319e7b5906d8fe48d014c4a78 I am finding that the pedal suppled by Lexicon (with the JamMan) produces an audible "click" in the output when I tap it to close a loop. This seems to happen about half the time and does not seem to relate to how hard I press it. Could it be dirt in the switch? Any ideas how to correct this anyone? Also - if it's simply that the pedal is "not the best" quality - can I replace it with another type of pedal that will operate the Tap function silently? Any and all help re. this is appreciated. P. Ormandy "drumworker@aol.com" From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 12:00:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 11:36:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR0Nm-0003hL-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:35:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199710301921.LAA32458@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Help! JamMan Pedal Problem Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:25:41 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"75cfYD.A.9bC.E9NW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/998 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:35:54 -0800 X-UIDL: c47a15bc56b85200a619ece2515a1a95 > From: Drumworker@aol.com > I am finding that the pedal suppled by Lexicon (with the JamMan) produces an > audible "click" in the output when I tap it to close a loop. This seems to > happen about half the time and does not seem to relate to how hard I press > it. Could it be dirt in the switch? Any ideas how to correct this anyone? I have noticed a similar symptom with my JamMan (although it rarely happens...just often enough to notice it). Anyway, instead of a "click" my JamMan produces a "tone" (as in a pitched noise). I haven't been able to determine what causes the tone other than it is somehow related to opening or closing a loop using the footswitch. It normally produces 1 or 2 different pitches and then is silent. It could be a nifty effect if it was possible to use it at will. As far as I can tell the tone isn't recorded into the loop (although it's difficult to test for this as it happens so infrequently and randomly). That really didn't help did it? Matt From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 19:28:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 12:08:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR0th-0006sv-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:08:53 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:59:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston Cc: seahorse@user1.channel1.com Resent-Message-ID: <"0Po_CD.A.gvF.leOW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/999 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:08:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f794c26415516e55d32d0978e85303c Frank got the address a little bit wrong, I'm forwarding this to the list for him: >>From kflint Tue Oct 28 08:04:57 1997 >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:04:51 -0500 (EST) >X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: loopers_delight@annihilist.com >From: Frank Gerace >Subject: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston > >Shameless plug Department > Behind The Mask Theatre (which includes Frank Gerace and Cheryl >Wanner of Dreamchild) will be presenting "Masks of Odysseus" an adaptation >of Homer's Odessey in story, song and dance on Friday and Saturday evening, >Oct. 31 and Nov. 1, 1997 at 8:00 PM at the Blacksmith House, 54 Brattle St., >Cambridge, MA (in Harvard Square). Admission is $10.00 and $8.00 for >students, ($5.00 for children). > Looping content will be provided mechanically and acoustically. >Some pieces are looped voice, some looped VG-8, some bith and one piece is >non-mechanical (I suppose that makes it an ostinato) with dulcimer and >wire-strung harp. Some of the music serves as background to spoken word, >masked stoorytelling, some are songs (telling the story of the characters >encounetr with Odysseus) and some are worldess dance pieces. There's also >some non-looped stuff with ocean drum, bodhran and bowed psaletry for you >texture fans. > If you're in the area, please check it out and say hi after the >performance. >Frank Gerace >Dreamchild > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 19:28:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 12:11:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR0vn-000776-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:11:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AW: The ongoing saga of Oberheim In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820617B0@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IienUB.A.MDG.bhOW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1000 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:11:03 -0800 X-UIDL: a638a3a577ef2343fa96b29fd58a3622 On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Haible Juergen wrote: > Maybe I'll just put extra RAM chips into my Delta Lab Effectron. Or wait > for > this new EH delay. (Hope they'll just use larger RAM chips, and not > redesign > the control circuitry !) > What do you think? > JH. I think you should at least try to find an Echoplex you can play with for some time before you decide whether or not to buy one. The Effectron is a great unit, but the difference between a Deltalab and an Echoplex is like the difference between a calculator and a Power MacIntosh in terms of what you can do with them. Read the comments on this list, and wiegh them in your mind. Find out how many of the criticisms are relevant to what you do, and how seriously they should be taken. But most of all, try to find one you can try out, and see if what it does is something you really want. Software-based equipment is always problematic, but shifting gears from an Echoplex to a DeltaLab or EH16 wouldn't be the same thing for me -- it's almost like two entirely different musical processes. And I have to say that from a strictly creative point of view, the Echoplex is infinitely more liberating. --Andre From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 19:28:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 13:02:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR1jk-0004WH-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:02:40 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:53:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710302053.PAA06769@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Bad day typing Resent-Message-ID: <"v9arN.A.WVD.rPPW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1001 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:02:40 -0800 X-UIDL: de71271379cf4183b2c44fe6375ab370 Kim, Thanks for forwarding the gig announcement. I think I've corrected the address. Frank Gerace From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 19:28:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 13:32:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR2CP-0007Pc-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:32:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:07:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710302107.QAA01573@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: boxy@shell.monmouth.com From: andre Subject: PROJECT LO....reminder...TONITE!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"Gd792.A.L8F.5pPW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1002 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:32:17 -0800 X-UIDL: f8dd2697f9e15476fb79a4d91b648f27 fellow music addicts - just a quick reminder.. if you're in the red band area (www.redbank.com) please stop out tonite to see PROJECT LO with violinist Caryn Lin.... Project Lo features guitar/loopmaster ex GONG guitarist BON LOZAGA and the fantastic Caryn Lin on violin and otherworldly sounds...they will be joined by a small ensemble. PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN Thur Oct 30 1997 8:00 pm Internet Cafe (www.icafenj.com) 1 West Front St. Red Bank (corner of Broad ST) 732-842-4503 Don't miss this special, small-venue stop on their tour... also-check out Caryn on "BLACK CANVAS" (prod. by Bon Lozaga) and the great SUFFER CD by Bon et al... and check out Caryn's "Tolerance for Ambiguity" (prod. by David Torn) cd info at www.alchemyrecords.com -or- www.hgmktg.com -or- email to lolorec@aol.com BTW, The Internet cafe is a great , smoke free, all ages place to see a show - and you can log on to their ripping-fast T1 lines to cruise the net whilst enjoying the music.... Acoustic - "drum-strummer" Scott Hathaway will open the show - with his own brand of virtuosic acousticity..."hedges meets fripp" as he likes to infer... see ya there!!!! andre' From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 09:58:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 08:37:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQxb9-0001hW-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:37:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971030180223.348fa65c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:02:23 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: It's away! In-Reply-To: <19971028005313734.AAA212@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"3PMyrC.A.8c.iULW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/994 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:37:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 2be2273ed555e6c0c9abaef423cd9c8e I just posted the RAM about an hour ago. Hopefully it should be with you in about 4-5 days! Michael From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 09:58:45 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 08:37:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xQxaq-0001ew-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:37:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971030180426.348fd19e@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:04:26 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: It's away! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2o0BtB.A.As.uWLW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/995 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:37:12 -0800 X-UIDL: c65fb1fc06aa22c646f59e3375a88d03 I just said: >I just posted the RAM about an hour ago. >Hopefully it should be with you in about 4-5 days! >Michael Sorry - that should have gone to Leo Cavallo only. Eudora. Love it or hate it, I can't understand it. Michael From ???@??? Thu Oct 30 19:29:23 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 18:52:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR7Bk-0004sW-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:51:56 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Thu Oct 30 18:51:37 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xR7BG-0004p4-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:51:26 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id VAA22368 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:51:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34595836.446B@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:01:58 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The ongoing saga of Oberheim References: <97Oct30.110918cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:51:56 -0800 X-UIDL: f092e279f157ba92ba1c6ae16e508d50 Tom Spaulding wrote: > > Andre- Just thought I would toss in my two cents, for what they are worth. I have to say that I believe that Andre has behaved as a gentleman and a scholar should- his posts have been clear, fair, and, near as I can tell, totally accurate. Can't really fault someone for speaking the truth, can we? I didn't read it as an attack on the venerable Tom Spaulding's character, either. Andre was very specific in his posts about who he talked to, and when. I may be assuming incorrectly, but I was under the assumption that Tom himself did not make the repairs, and therefore is not responcable for this irrefutable negligence. I also understand why Tom would like to keep this discourse private- this does make things look pretty bad for the echoplex indeed (although no worse than the discontinued JamMan that I bought)- but I don't think that it is unreasonable to expect the rest of us to want to be informed. If Andre wishes to speak about his problems, I for one am willing to listen. In my brief encounter with music equipment retail, I am not surprised to find out that this happened. I worked for Sam Ash in Manhattan, and to be honest, my co-workers (and very quickly myself) just didn't give a shit either. This seems to be the depressing reality of the situation. There is, of course, a silver lining to this whole shindig. If Tom, heeding our deparate cries for a company that cares, turns Oberheim around to being a bit more meticulous, than all of the employees and owners of that company can tune in here to read us sing their praises. Trevor From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 01:43:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 22:18:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRAPD-0001tn-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:18:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:12:56 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <971031011255_2116123582@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Electro-Harmonix Delay 16 Resent-Message-ID: <"3ZSHWB.A.ggB.mcXW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1003 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:18:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ee03d8f475135ae611cca9f7f6c664b the EH 16 sec delay is totally a creature unto itself- if i want pristine loops i use the Oberheim, but the EH is sooo cool for funky lo-res accidents & underwater backwards dinosaur noises! From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 01:43:59 1997 >From kflint Thu Oct 30 23:23:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRBQg-0005hI-00; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:23:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Can you find it? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"keaANC.A.rBF.IaYW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1005 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:23:38 -0800 X-UIDL: b0e0433d5abac2de3b722b24cbc5d481 After typing up the following description of my infamous anomaly for Kim, I thought I'd post it here to see if any other users can detect it. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Kim Flint > Boy Andre, I thought I had a tendancy to be too verbose! I am but an > amateur before you....:-) That's what I get for being an ex-English major. Or maybe it's all the "intelligent" british dance music... > In my units, I can barely discern such a noise with the mix pot in the > middle. But that's with the plex volumes up and into a 140watt amp cranked > all the way up! The noise floor is very loud at that point, and I'm only > just hearing any digital hash noise. It seems like you are hearing > something much more present and noticeable than that. Would that seem right? Here's the recipe for the Andre LaFosse Noise Special (updated for its 1 year anniversary): -- Record a note with the guitar fading in a single note. Start the recording before fading the note in, and fade the note in quite slowly. Let the note die down to almost silence before closing the loop. -- The telltale noise will correspond to a flickering on the Feedback LED (which I mistakenly referred to as the Input LED in my cover note to Oberheim -- mea culpa indeed). When the LED for feedback flickers at the beginning or end of the note, or if it sustains below a threshold loud enough to cause the LED to glow solidly, the noise rears its head. -- Pressing mute leaves the noise intact and audible at the same level as if there's a loop going on. Since the feedback LED flickers even in MUTE, the noise may be easier to identify in this way. -- Once the loop is overdubbed or built up to the point where the overall level of the loop never drops below a certain threshold, the noise disappears. -- Turning the MIX control to either extreme eliminates the noise. -- The noise exists in both record and overdub mode, and is subject to all of the conditions above, so it has nothing to do with the A/D converters at the front of the unit. -- There was ONE occasion after I initially discovered the noise in July when it was not present: I had turned on the Echoplex and was testing it without having turned on a lamp nearby. I did not hear the noise. I then turned the lamp on and the noise was instantly there. I brought the Echoplex into another room to test it immediately thereafter, and the noise was still there, as it has been on every occasion afterwards. (Needless to say, the lamp was not present during the subsequent tests). -- This is a fairly subtle noise. The thing that made me suspect that it was a malfunction was a note I recall getting from you which read, "If you're seeing a flickering light on the LED in conjunction with the sound, there's definitely a higher-than-normal amount of noise going on" (this is a paraphrase). Owing to the scarcity of available Echoplexes, I wasn't able to test another unit to determine if the anomaly was there in other models. > One question, on the top piece of your chassis, if you take it off and look > at the underside, you should see a piece of foam tape along the front. This > is there to keep the flat cables from pressing against the top piece of > metal. Is that there in your unit? If not, the noise would likely be > coupling in throught the chassis, which is why we put the tape there. If > you don't see any tape there, you should be able to get some at a > stationary or hardware store or someplace. Put a strip of it along the > front of the top piece, where it looks like the flat cables will press up > on it. That could make a big difference. I recall your recommending this; there is no tape on the top panel, but this noise is just as audible when the top is completely removed from the unit. If it's there when the flat cables are sitting out in the open air, then I don't see how it could be attributable to contact with the top panel. > seems like it should be more subtle than you seem to be experiencing. > Without hearing it and without seeing the set up where you have it, It is > very difficult for me to tell. I assume we're talking about a noise that's > readily obvious in a normal listening environment? And you never noticed it > in that past right? It just appeared one day? I first started noticing this over the summer, and running the Echoplex through a Roland VS-880 unit. My first inclination was to suspect that it had not always been there and that I would have noticed it had it been there all along, but my mistaken assumption about the noise gate issue during last year's episode (some sense of Deja Vu, huh?) proves that this may not be the case. I also observed this when plugging the unit straight into a guitar amp, and into a friend's stereo system on Tuesday night. However, my friend (who is a musician of an extremely high order) had to have me specifically point out the sound before he noticed it. Given the fact that the only original part of my Echoplex currently sitting next to me is the chassis, and given that the noise exists even when the top part of that chassis is removed, I'm more and more inclined to think that this noise is an inherent element of the instrument, something which is subtle enough to have evaded detection until this past summer. Now that I've detailed the anomaly in such... detail, I think I'll forward a copy of this to the digest to see if anyone else can detect this. As always, Kim, your patience and dedication amazes me. Thanks for maintaining interest. --Andre From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:46:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 03:05:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xREtB-0006jW-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:05:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D582069BA2@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Can you find it? Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:01:02 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"C3PEpB.A.KFG.7pbW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1006 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:05:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 06f0ff425bb403006b20391c8d06b309 Just a few ideas (haven't seen any schematics): >-- The telltale noise will correspond to a flickering on the Feedback LED >(which I mistakenly referred to as the Input LED in my cover note to >Oberheim -- mea culpa indeed). When the LED for feedback flickers at the >beginning or end of the note, or if it sustains below a threshold loud >enough to cause the LED to glow solidly, the noise rears its head. Maybe the noise comes thru the supply voltages. My first guess would be this: There is an analog circuit (opamp most probably) that is on the edge to instabillity / hf oscillation. When the LED flickers, this could mean (depending on the circuit), that the supply current changes rather fast. This can be coupled to the "sensitive" opamp over the supply voltage lines, and *could* cause an effect like you described. Things to try out: Bypass all opamps with 100nF ceramic caps (from their supply pins to gnd), if they aren't already. Bypass the the supply voltage near to the LED circuit with 100uF elko. May have no effect at all, but maybe it's worth trying it. (This was based on the asumption that it's an analogue problem - still there with mute on - and the unit has a "cheap" power supply system. Which of course might be totally wrong. If anybody has schematics and likes to send them to me, maybe I can tell more.) JH. From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:46:58 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 03:07:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xREv4-0006uE-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:07:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCE5C3.2BE14BE0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Halloween Looping Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:06:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PAghcD.A.uLG.IsbW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1007 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:07:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c84e494ad301e95b4bb059ba7bfb233 Halloween is the perfect night to set up your looping rig near your front door and create a scary loop. I like to set up a 32 second loop on my JamMan and leave a few seconds of silence in it for dramatic effect. Then I just open the front window a bit and crank it up. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 04:58:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRGeg-00037P-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:58:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:48:03 -0500 From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> Subject: Halloween Looping Sender: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199710310752_MC2-2646-920@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"KNN-qB.A.wsC.iTdW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1008 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:58:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 88c02d67e1621bd66351861957f16eba >Halloween is the perfect night to set up your looping rig near your front door and >create a scary loop. Yeah! Back in the old days when I only had a 1.2 sec ADA delay ('82?) I used to do some of that. The best part was that I had this strat that I'd abused beyond belief. The whammy bar made this horrif squeak when you roatated it from its normal hanging position into a useable one. But if you ran it through a fuzz box and into the long delay with a fair bit of modulation on it, it sounded for all the world like a woman shreiking in horror. That was a good one. Sorry I sold that guitar so many years ago. (That is, sorry 'til I pick up the Klein...) Happy Halloween, jd From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 05:54:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRHWy-0005hv-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:54:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:49:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710311349.IAA04440@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade Resent-Message-ID: <"IsizWB.A.bDF.sHeW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1009 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:54:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 92bd4113af9b2d209497c441714213ce At 12:38 PM 10/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and would be put to much better use by somebody else. I am most interested in trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar controller (Shadow 075). I do not know what a reasonable selling price would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well. > >Thanks > Greg I' m seriously interested in the Jamman--please let me know how we can handle shipping and payment (COD UPS okay?) I dont have anything to swap, but would pay cash $ 250 to $300, depending on condition and manuals being there. thanks, Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 06:53:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRISI-0002RV-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:53:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PROJECT LO....reminder In-Reply-To: <199710302107.QAA01573@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8Wfn0B.A.93B.a-eW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1011 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:53:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 73e8befc0edaf07ac933f1cad0a2af63 On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, andre wrote: > fellow music addicts - just a quick reminder.. > > if you're in the red band area (www.redbank.com) please stop out tonite to > see PROJECT LO with violinist Caryn Lin.... > > Project Lo features guitar/loopmaster ex GONG guitarist BON LOZAGA and the > fantastic Caryn Lin on violin and otherworldly sounds...they will be joined > by a small ensemble. > > PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN > Thur Oct 30 1997 > 8:00 pm > Internet Cafe (www.icafenj.com) > 1 West Front St. Red Bank (corner of Broad ST) > 732-842-4503 Andre, how was the show? I CAN'T WAIT 'til this crew makes it to the Boston area on 13 November. They're playing at Johnny D.'s (no, not Jon Durant's house!) in Somerville, but i don't have the exact time etc. on me. Mr. Durant, can you fill in the details? I've heard/seen Caryn Lin perform live (solo) thrice now, and she's a lot of fun--very sensitive musician with a good sense of humor and amazing chops. VERY MUCH looking forward to hearing/seeing her perform live in a band context. Have never experienced Bon L. live, but have heard good things. > and check out Caryn's "Tolerance for Ambiguity" (prod. by David Torn) > cd info at www.alchemyrecords.com -or- www.hgmktg.com -or- email to > lolorec@aol.com And i will second you here Andre as well. A lot of folks who have heard me put this CD on are turned on instantly. They often ask who, what, and how before i can answer the first question. Thanks J.D. for bringing her to us, and Mr. Torn (if you're out there) for guiding her in creating such great record. I know it hasn't even been a year yet, but is there talk at all about a second Caryn Lin release on Alchemy? I'll pre-order now. Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:09 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 06:36:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRIB6-0001Cc-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:36:00 -0800 From: Dpcoffin Message-ID: <9c718288.3459e9f3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:24:32 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"k91Kr.A.cg.preW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1010 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:36:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 28fc60f927947b819f80071db8995542 Hey, Frank... Have you got any tapes or CDs? I'd love to hear a VG-8/wire-strung harp duo! dpc From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 07:15:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRInh-0003pc-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:15:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:09:00 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PROJECT LO....reminder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"bOtq4C.A.DLD.OTfW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1012 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:15:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 2691e5cd791061aa3ddf235d078c6597 The Project Lo/Caryn Lin tour hits Baltimore on November 15th. This show will feature special guest Happy Rhodes performing with Project Lo. She's only joining them for a few special dates on the tour. Also, for this show only, Tony Geballe (Trey Gunn Band/Robert Fripp & the League of Crafty Guitarists/Toyah) will kick things off performing material from his Discipline Global Mobile release _Native of the Rain_. See http://www.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ for more details. On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Pete Koniuto wrote: > > fellow music addicts - just a quick reminder.. > > > > if you're in the red band area (www.redbank.com) please stop out tonite to > > see PROJECT LO with violinist Caryn Lin.... > > > > Project Lo features guitar/loopmaster ex GONG guitarist BON LOZAGA and the > > fantastic Caryn Lin on violin and otherworldly sounds...they will be joined > > by a small ensemble. > > > > PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN > > Thur Oct 30 1997 > > 8:00 pm > > Internet Cafe (www.icafenj.com) > > 1 West Front St. Red Bank (corner of Broad ST) > > 732-842-4503 > > Andre, how was the show? I CAN'T WAIT 'til this crew makes > it to the Boston area on 13 November. They're playing at > Johnny D.'s (no, not Jon Durant's house!) in Somerville, but > i don't have the exact time etc. on me. Mr. Durant, can you > fill in the details? > > I've heard/seen Caryn Lin perform live (solo) thrice now, and > she's a lot of fun--very sensitive musician with a good sense > of humor and amazing chops. VERY MUCH looking forward to > hearing/seeing her perform live in a band context. Have never > experienced Bon L. live, but have heard good things. > > > and check out Caryn's "Tolerance for Ambiguity" (prod. by David Torn) > > cd info at www.alchemyrecords.com -or- www.hgmktg.com -or- email to > > lolorec@aol.com > > And i will second you here Andre as well. A lot of folks who > have heard me put this CD on are turned on instantly. They > often ask who, what, and how before i can answer the first > question. Thanks J.D. for bringing her to us, and Mr. Torn > (if you're out there) for guiding her in creating such great > record. > > I know it hasn't even been a year yet, but is there talk at all > about a second Caryn Lin release on Alchemy? I'll pre-order now. > > > Pete Koniuto > > > ----------------- > Music Library > Boston University > 617-353-3705 > pkoniuto@bu.edu > ----------------- > > -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:24 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 08:57:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRKNu-0003zE-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:57:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:42:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JSPEEr Subject: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Resent-Message-ID: <"ErCcIC.A.G7C.svgW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1013 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:57:22 -0800 X-UIDL: e029ece152fc37a2e49a1d05272547ca Hi all, For those of you who remember me, I'm back. I'm the guy who put on that Philly/Mid-Atlantic Loop Show last March with Charles Cohen, Accidents Will Happen, Fingerpaint, and Emergence of Man. I must say, it was quite successful. The venue, initially confused by and sceptical of the Loop Show concept, has been bugging me to do it again, whatever it was. So I'd like to start thinking about putting another Loop Show on, most likely in March or April again of next year. I am not entirely sure what the goal of this follow-up show should be; Perhaps to get entirely different artists than last year, comes immediately to mind. But we had such a strong line-up last year, and I'm not deeply philosophically opposed to repeat performances, particularly since this is a full year later. Anybody interested in this show, in participating, in attending, in making suggestions, questions, whatever, please email me. I'm sure I will gradually get a sense of what the show will be like once I get some more input. Looking forward to hearing from you! Jim Speer From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 10:47:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 10:25:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRLky-0003w8-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:25:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:13:34 -0500 From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: PROJECT LO....reminder Sender: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199710311317_MC2-2649-1FE9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"3WZozC.A.xDD.AEiW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1014 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:25:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 4be70eaafcfc27e0edf070b1c953634e Hey- All of the tour dates and times, as well as phone numbers for the venues, for Project Lo (w/ Caryn Lin) can be found on Caryn's page at: http://www.alchemyrecords.com Later, jd From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 11:25:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 10:57:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRMGB-00076V-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:57:31 -0800 Message-ID: <19971031184750.27951.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.229.148.135] From: "Jeffrey Robert" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: where can I buy a jamman Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:47:49 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"xCUjfC.A.ZxF.agiW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1015 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:57:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 59c65ee3e7ecbfcc52b9797ffaeaab24 Can anyone tell me where I can get my hands on a JamMan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 20:05:00 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 16:54:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRRpr-0006aw-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:54:43 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <41bba1f3.345a728b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:51:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Need Looping Microphone Advice! Resent-Message-ID: <"VcA3vB.A.snF.2xnW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1017 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:54:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 67a44814cf5a7b9e35349fa6a647a85f >OK, so here's what I'm trying to do. > >I'm developing a piece for steel pan (steel drum) primarily using a series of >loop cycles in a number of contrasting sections interspersed with a couple of >"long tone" - cadenza type passages. I am currently using an overhead mic >input into a JamMan > passed through an effects processor (to produce a stereo >signal and generally "fatten" the sound) > out to the PA. A very >knowledgeable friend has suggested that I use a Sennheiser 421 to mic the pan >but I'm not sure its giving me a good frequency response from the distance of >15" or so. The output produced sounds rather subdued - not the brilliance that >is characteristic of a good steel pan. > >Can anyone suggest a better mic, still fairly directional - so that other >ambient sounds aren't easily captured in the loop, but will give me a wider >spectrum, particularly in the top end?? > >This piece will be recorded for broadcast on national radio (in Canada) and >needs to sound as good as possible. Plus, I find that I'm really getting into >the "loop thing" and if I can get good results from this project then I'll >probably become a looper for life. > >As usual, any suggestions are greatly appreciated. > >P. Ormandy >"drumworker@aol.com" Well, a good condensor mic will give you the brilliance you're looking for, but you might have trouble with distortion and/or feedback If you want to stick to dynamic mics, I recommend a Sennheiser 441. These are the silver, long, (rectangular cross-section) mics, that have been around for ages. They are quite expensive ($600 new, $300-$350 used, here in the states), but they sound GREAT, especially for getting those higher frequencies that a condensor mic bring out (and you won't have a problem with distortion or feedback). They also have a "presence" switch to boost the high end, in case you need even more. I've used them on violin, tabla, and they really bring out the higher tones. They're almost too bright for vocals, especially female vocals. Probably would sound great for steel drums. Good luck! __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 20:04:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 16:16:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRRF9-0002oM-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:16:47 -0800 From: Drumworker Message-ID: <41bba1f3.345a728b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:07:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Need Looping Microphone Advice! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Resent-Message-ID: <"6U_PxC.A.g9B.4LnW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1016 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:16:47 -0800 X-UIDL: c907cf6065c3495c254b26c5cac83eef OK, so here's what I'm trying to do. I'm developing a piece for steel pan (steel drum) primarily using a series of loop cycles in a number of contrasting sections interspersed with a couple of "long tone" - cadenza type passages. I am currently using an overhead mic input into a JamMan > passed through an effects processor (to produce a stereo signal and generally "fatten" the sound) > out to the PA. A very knowledgeable friend has suggested that I use a Sennheiser 421 to mic the pan but I'm not sure its giving me a good frequency response from the distance of 15" or so. The output produced sounds rather subdued - not the brilliance that is characteristic of a good steel pan. Can anyone suggest a better mic, still fairly directional - so that other ambient sounds aren't easily captured in the loop, but will give me a wider spectrum, particularly in the top end?? This piece will be recorded for broadcast on national radio (in Canada) and needs to sound as good as possible. Plus, I find that I'm really getting into the "loop thing" and if I can get good results from this project then I'll probably become a looper for life. As usual, any suggestions are greatly appreciated. P. Ormandy "drumworker@aol.com" From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 20:05:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 17:08:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRS31-0000B5-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:08:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:59:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: Steel drum mike Resent-Message-ID: <"U8siqC.A.HwG.o8nW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1018 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:08:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 8bada17fbcaaa28417656505643159c2 >A very >knowledgeable friend has suggested that I use a Sennheiser 421 to mic the pan >but I'm not sure its giving me a good frequency response from the distance of >15" or so. The output produced sounds rather subdued - not the brilliance that >is characteristic of a good steel pan. > >Can anyone suggest a better mic, still fairly directional - so that other >ambient sounds aren't easily captured in the loop, but will give me a wider >spectrum, particularly in the top end?? It would depend on how much you can afford to spend. What kind of mic pre are you using? Does it have phantom power? if so I would reccomend an AKG 414. It is a good all around condenser mic that has alot lot less of a proximity effect than a 421, with a better high end. Even better would be AKG's SE 300 B small diaphram condenser mic. It would be a little more focused than the 414, tighter pickup pattern. You can get exchangeable capsules for them also. Good luck! Eric From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 20:05:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 17:17:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRSBO-00011A-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:16:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:11:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971031201158_474136803@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston Resent-Message-ID: <"KutqBC.A.Am.gIoW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1019 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:16:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 3fe5c52517aad0163db59066bb11c144 Hey, Frank... Have you got any tapes or CDs? I'd love to hear a VG-8/wire-strung harp duo! dpc From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 20:05:04 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 17:33:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRSRL-0002S2-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:33:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Happy Halloween! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:25:45 -0800 Message-ID: <01bce665$13bbee60$ea3bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"TTHXbC.A.I2B.7WoW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1020 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:33:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 51789ff6283b430d45ad8f9b6aa58002 Just an invitation to come to my Haunted Page at http://www.earthlight.net/Halloween - where I've got some looped sounds for the seasons, for a change. :) May all your tricks be treats, folks! :) Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 21:56:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 20:05:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRUou-0004wg-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:05:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971031230114_559599202@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"m0hCJB.A.HWE.KnqW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1021 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:05:56 -0800 X-UIDL: bf921d9dd153abd7e6149c2c7cc7344f i will sell you mine for 100 million dollars. =-) PJ From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 21:56:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 20:30:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRVCY-0006Gm-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:30:22 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971031184750.27951.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:25:55 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"WCxHl.A.RjF.a9qW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1022 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:30:22 -0800 X-UIDL: ccc83b1f65956be01017e7e5dac3e6e1 Jeffrey, I saw a jamman in Far Out music today(fri)Far Out is located in Clarksville Indiana phone is(812)-282-1122. open at 900am. Thats early. Hope this helps K Law From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 21:56:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 20:35:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRVHZ-0006kC-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:35:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:30:14 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971031233014_1501346155@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"wfX7X.A.U9F.ZCrW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1023 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:35:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 4c70d23bc34fd6d8f9d012530d85b3f5 i just bought that one......psyche! =-p PJ