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Re: looping with albeton live

Ableton has the most byzantine pricing structure I've ever seen. I
can't figure out how much it will cost me to add Max for Live.

I can buy it for $299 from ableton. ouch.

It also appears that if you ever owned a version of Max, you can just
pay the price to upgrade to Max 5. I bought Max back in the 80s from
Opcode, and I'm licensed for version 3.6. I can upgrade to Max 5 for
$129 plus the $99 I'd still have to pay Ableton for the "crossgrade."
But the pricing page for Max for Live seems to imply that I need
Max/MSP, which would cost me $299 from cycling '74.

Just add to the confusion, I've got an academic version of Live 8, but
there doesn't seem to be academic pricing for Max for Live, maybe
because few people outside academia use Max.

Any way, that is a chunk of change.

I would recommend the upgrade to Live 8. The looper is nice. I like
how you get a lot of functionality off of one foot switch.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> 
> yeah, i'd like to do the whole Live 8 & Max4Live upgrade from Live 6,
> but I just upgraded Logic Studio and I just don't have the bucks! If
> Live8 *included* M4L (and instruments as luscious as Logic Studio, and
> a great loop browser), it would be reasonable, but this is out of the
> park. It's very cool, but I think the Ableton stuff is very
> overpriced.
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
>> If only it sounded as good as Mainstage. I love both, and am constantly
>> going back and forth. But I hope Ableton continues to develop Looper. 
>Per is
>> right, its sync abilities are rock solid.
>> On Nov 6, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM, roger <roger@brecon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Looper is set up for remote operation, so you can record, overdub, 
>>>> and
>>>> more without touching the computer.
>>>> Has anyone any experience of this.
>>> Yes, I did it for hours yesterday. Was coaching an artist that is
>>> going out to loop his album material plus live instrument using Live
>>> 8.
>>> Except for the feature your post mention you can also assign pedals to
>>> rate shift the loop. That means either transposing pitch one octave up
>>> and doubling the speed or transposing pitch one octave down and
>>> reducing speed to half the original tempo. If overdubbing new audio
>>> into the loop at those extremes the some interesting sound will come
>>> out when going back to normal speed/pitch.
>>> Another feature is that you can instantly divide or multiply the loop
>>> length by 2. It's not possible to divide or multiply by 3 or any other
>>> number than 2. When multiplied it simply gets longer by repeating the
>>> same chunk of original audio. When divided it cuts out half of the
>>> original audio and loops that. If repeating the division by two you
>>> can get down to very fast loops down in granular land where everything
>>> sounds like pneumatic manufacturing processes.
>>> "Reverse" is also possible.
>>> All these tricks you do to the loop in the Looper plug-in seems to
>>> happen according to the global quantization you run the host Live at.
>>> I did not test yesterday, but I think you should be able to create
>>> some interesting poly rhythm by jumping between different quantization
>>> settings while working the loop in the Looper plug-in.
>>> The most powerful feature that comes with the Looper plug-in is that
>>> you can set it to calculate the tempo from the first loop you make and
>>> then start the host Live as you close the loop. Before Live 8 this has
>>> not been possible in any other way than by using a Looper that sends
>>> out MIDI Clock that Live follows. This new system is more solid both
>>> in the way it sounds and in the meaning of not crashing or "loosing
>>> contact with master tempo clock" (hated that error message in pre 8
>>> Live)
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.boysen.se
>>> www.perboysen.com
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