From: PJBMHB@aol.com pipe cleaners are my cable ties of choice. very economical and you often have a choice of designer colors. =-) PJ I like those yellow locking ties that Hefty gives with the large white kitchen garbage bags - If you have always been in the habit of tying them shut with the bags' neck anyway. Stephen P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - The Free Loop of the Week! http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack.html - More Cartoons!